XMPP Service Operators - 2024-03-19


  1. moparisthebest

    > But seems the pre-test chance to be a spam server is high, if the name contains _jabber_ 🙂 I like it

  2. moparisthebest

    > I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Jabber, is in fact, XMPP, or as I've recently taken to calling it, XMPP not Jabber. Jabber is not an internet protocol unto itself, but rather another proprietary product owned by Cisco. XMPP instead is a fully functioning free protocol made useful by standardization and extensibility.

  3. ben

    Now let's call JID XMPPID

  4. Wirlaburla

    XID

  5. Wirlaburla

    Looks like a dying laughing face with mustache

  6. TheCoffeMaker

    or john bobbitt's dick

  7. moparisthebest

    🤣️ kid's these days don't even get that reference

  8. ben

    that joke was popular among children in the 90's

  9. BTNC

    > 🤣️ kid's these days don't even get that reference Some still will XD. I have hope for the few.

  10. deport

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU95v23MQ4c

  11. deport

    Weird Al remembers

  12. TheCoffeMaker

    🤣

  13. edhelas

    > 🤣️ kid's these days don't even get that reference I do, am I old now ? 😱

  14. neox

    > > I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Jabber, is in fact, XMPP, or as I've recently taken to calling it, XMPP not Jabber. Jabber is not an internet protocol unto itself, but rather another proprietary product owned by Cisco. XMPP instead is a fully functioning free protocol made useful by standardization and extensibility. 😂😂😂

  15. neox now sending that to RMS 🤣️

  16. ernst.on.tour

    edhelas: Don't be afraid > I do, am I old now ? 😱 I don't, am I very old now ? 😱 Wasn't a child in the 90s anymore, have to ddg for it. 😉

  17. ben

    can't you say Google like everyone else

  18. ernst.on.tour

    Sorry, I don't use Google for searching and its the tiny thing that will change the world. 😉

  19. Wirlaburla

    Just be normal and say "look it up". I'd argue search engine names shouldn't be in a dictionary.

  20. ben

    Too late

  21. deport

    > can't you say Google like everyone else No

  22. f_

    oh heyo neox

  23. f_

    ben: as a matter of fact I don't only use Google for searching :P

  24. ben

    That's not the point

  25. ben

    My Kleenexes also aren't Kleenex

  26. f_

    Ah sure then :P

  27. f_

    google what xmpp is

  28. ben

    You mean Jabber

  29. f_

    >> I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Jabber, is in fact, XMPP, or as I've recently taken to calling it, XMPP not Jabber. Jabber is not an internet protocol unto itself, but rather another proprietary product owned by Cisco. XMPP instead is a fully functioning free protocol made useful by standardization and extensibility.

  30. f_

    That one's funny though :D

  31. f_

    TBH I use both 'Jabber' and 'XMPP'

  32. f_

    Jabber isn't necessarily referring to that thing called "Cisco Jabber"..

  33. neox

    f_, hey 😉

  34. Licaon_Kter

    Can you move to Offtopic or smth?

  35. ben

    Pardonu

  36. f_

    Wait there's an offtopic MUC?

  37. virus

    Does https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0458.html apply to public mucs run by a private individual for topics of their own?

  38. deport

    lol, it would be funny if that were intended but I don't think it is

  39. virus

    > applies to anyone who: > Participates in any XSF Activity. So, anyone who participates here, for example?

  40. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    xsf is not xmpp. the CoC is applicable to xsf settings, events and communication channels

  41. MattJ

    Which does include this one

  42. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    right yes. this is an xsf channel

  43. virus

    Where can I find more info on more broadly applied blocklists and their governance?

  44. virus

    For xmpp public mucs.

  45. virus

    Also, I have followed 3 links, seen Conduct Team mentioned numerous times, but saw no way to contact the team?

  46. Licaon_Kter

    f_: For not-on-topic stuff some of us hang out elsewhere xmpp:conversations-offtopic-reloaded@conference.trashserver.net?join ;)

  47. Licaon_Kter

    virus: which links? rtbl?

  48. virus

    Licaon_Kter: first link in this muc description, xep 458, https://xmpp.org/contact/ , and https://xmpp.org/about/xmpp-standards-foundation/ Make it 4.

  49. f_

    nice

  50. Guus

    virus, from XEP-0458: > The final decision on such exclusions is made by the Board, who may from time to time appoint a Work Team, called the Conduct Team, to act on their behalf. If the Work Team has not been appointed, the Conduct Team is the Board.

  51. Guus

    (so, Board == Conduct Team)

  52. virus

    > Whether or not you expressed your concern at the time of the incident, you are encouraged to do one of the following: > > Let the Conduct Team know. > Let the Board know. > Let at least one member of the Board, and preferably more, know. >

  53. MattJ

    virus, the XSF does not operate any blocklists

  54. MattJ

    Apart from the lists of people banned from XSF channels, of course, the same as any public channel has

  55. virus

    Should a person who is on The Council, for example, be reasonably expected to set exemplary behavior examples, in their public muc activities, as known representatives of XSF?

  56. virus

    > (so, Board == Conduct Team) Then it should say contact the board first, yes?

  57. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    second part says that sometimes there may be a Conduct Team. thats why its first to contact them

  58. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    if the team doesnt exist its the board yes

  59. virus

    How do I know if it exists?

  60. Licaon_Kter

    virus: > Should a person who is on The Council, for example, be reasonably expected to set exemplary behavior examples, in their public muc activities, as known representatives of XSF? Do you have an axe to grind or why not spell exactly what you need/want/mean?

  61. MattJ

    The conduct team is currently the board. If you have something to report, just report it, any of these options are valid: https://xmpp.org/contact/ - preferably the first one if you want to read the board (who are indeed acting as the conduct team at this time)

  62. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    also you can just in xsf if a conduct team exists :)

  63. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    also you can just in ask in the xsf room if a conduct team exists :)

  64. virus

    > virus: >> Should a person who is on The Council, for example, be reasonably expected to set exemplary behavior examples, in their public muc activities, as known representatives of XSF? > Do you have an axe to grind or why not spell exactly what you need/want/mean? Licaon_Kter: Is this consistent with > 2.2 Assume Good Faith ?

  65. virus

    The difficulty as an outsider is reporting a board member is obviously an ad hominem attack, so doing that in a public muc is awkward.

  66. Guus

    virus, I assume that Licaon_Kter, like me, is wondering if you're asking questions out of a generic interest in learning/improving the CoC, its XEP and/or how that's practically implemented, or if you're asking questions because you have a direct issue that you want to have handled.

  67. Guus

    One is a discussion that could be taken in a wider context, the other one is probably best handled differently.

  68. Guus

    in other words: do you want to discuss the CoC, or do you want help/advice with a specific issue that you're suffering from?

  69. Guus

    A discussion about the former would probably best take place in a chatroom like xsf@, while the second might be done more in private?

  70. virus

    I may have issues to report. I need a general idea whether to spend the time. If public mucs are free-fire zones, regardless of board membership, then that tells me not to waste the time.

  71. Guus

    I do not understand how public MUCs relate to XSF Board membership. In any case, I would advise you to report any issues directly to board, in a more private setting than a public MUC room.

  72. virus

    Guus: So that means contact by email or individually by xmpp?

  73. Guus

    if you want to discuss the process or applicability of the Code of Conduct, then having that discussion in the public xsf@muc.xmpp.org room is probably a better place than in this MUC room.

  74. Guus

    virus: yes, I would suggest doing one of those.

  75. virus

    OK, thanks.

  76. Guus

    (I do not think that there is a more specific way to report something is documented anywhere, but I might be wrong)

  77. TheCoffeMaker

    Licaon_Kter: followed your advice, going to failover with a HSPA/3G (LTE modems are pretty expensive nowadays in .ar)... had to complete a long quest to get one of those devices, seems no one user them anymore 😅

  78. Licaon_Kter

    TheCoffeMaker: will 3G not go away soon-ish there too?

  79. moparisthebest

    It's already gone over 2 years ago in USA, I think some places will keep it much longer iirc

  80. TheCoffeMaker

    > TheCoffeMaker: will 3G not go away soon-ish there too? nah

  81. roughnecks

    >> TheCoffeMaker: will 3G not go away soon-ish there too? > nah it's already down in Italy, only 2G and 4/5G remain

  82. Licaon_Kter

    There's some info here also, https://blog.replicant.us/2024/03/replicant-status-and-report-of-the-37c3-and-fosdem-2024-conferences/ TheCoffeMaker: do look up local legislation, you might have a (nasty) surprise

  83. TheCoffeMaker

    there are lot of 3g phones on the network here and dumb phones are becoming pretty popular also

  84. amarachi

    But isn't 4g like 14 years old now?

  85. snikket dot deeeeee

    As spec maybe. Not has beeing everywhere deployed

  86. TheCoffeMaker

    yeah but im not even going to use 4g, it 3g .... modem costs 150% less