XMPP Service Operators - 2024-04-02


  1. opinionplatform.org

    > ... bs account that comes into mucs and spams as much of offensive crap as possible Is it considered good form for operators to publish private JIDs on public mucs?

  2. moparisthebest

    Why not?

  3. opinionplatform.org

    Why?

  4. fireburner

    I guess it depends

  5. Polarian

    > > ... bs account that comes into mucs and spams as much of offensive crap as possible > > Is it considered good form for operators to publish private JIDs on public mucs? is it good to advertise your website on public MUCs?

  6. Polarian

    > I guess it depends not really... if they are malicious giving the heads up to other operators isn't a bad thing.

  7. fireburner

    If they are. Otgerwise it is probably not taht good of an idea, hence my "it depends"

  8. Polarian

    > If they are. Otgerwise it is probably not taht good of an idea, hence my "it depends" Then who has the authority to determine what is considered malicious and what isn't 🙂

  9. opinionplatform.org

    >> >> Is it considered good form for operators to publish private JIDs on public mucs? > is it good to advertise your website on public MUCs? Polarian: Seeing a quick count of 6 IDs with it in this muc participants list, Yes. Pls don't troll.

  10. moparisthebest

    The service operator can determine, if one ever starts posting dozens per day that aren't malicious then I guess that can be addressed then, don't create problems that don't exist

  11. Polarian

    > Polarian: Seeing a quick count of 6 IDs with it in this muc participants list, Yes. Pls don't troll. The difference is theirs points ot their XMPP server, yours doesn't, and theirs is next to their username

  12. Polarian

    you don't even have a username

  13. opinionplatform.org

    Seven counting the JID I quoted.

  14. opinionplatform.org

    >> Polarian: Seeing a quick count of 6 IDs with it in this muc participants list, Yes. Pls don't troll. > The difference is theirs points ot their XMPP server, yours doesn't, and theirs is next to their username Some do. Some don't.

  15. Polarian

    pointless arguing with you, XMPP needs an ignorelist feature

  16. Polarian

    its driving me mad

  17. moparisthebest

    It has one

  18. moparisthebest

    Well maybe your client doesn't... But it can

  19. opinionplatform.org

    Anyway, it's the first time I observed this, and it seems like poor practice, likely to be abused by people who wouldn't otherwise know the private JID. Are there not more private ways to handle it?

  20. moparisthebest

    opinionplatform.org: more private ways to alert fellow server operators about a spammer? lol I can't think of any

  21. opinionplatform.org

    > you don't even have a username I do, and how do you know there isn't an associated xmpp server there somewhere?

  22. Polarian

    > I do, and how do you know there isn't an associated xmpp server there somewhere? whats your username then

  23. opinionplatform.org obviously

  24. Polarian

    alright cya

  25. rewtkid

    /nick Polarian

  26. rewtkid

    whoops meant to /info you

  27. rewtkid

    just woke up derp

  28. Polarian

    why you /info'ing me

  29. rewtkid

    because i like to be nosey :D

  30. opinionplatform.org

    > opinionplatform.org: more private ways to alert fellow server operators about a spammer? lol I can't think of any I'm not surprised you can't, but someone probably can. As an outsider, who has seen some of the bickering in another muc (but none of the "spam"), the vigilante atmosphere and lack of process is a concern.

  31. Polarian

    /info rewtkid

  32. Polarian

    xD

  33. Polarian

    I don't have support for it, but I wasn't going to info you I was joking 🙂

  34. Polarian

    before you wonder

  35. moparisthebest

    opinionplatform.org: "lack of process" LOL I think you have mistaken an open federated network for some closed walled garden where daddy Google lays down the law

  36. opinionplatform.org

    moparisthebest: Ridiculous again. I may have confused too many XEPs and too many guidance web pages to read, with having well thought out plans and processes for handling expected situations. So much discussion of "defederate them!" was confusing too, especially on April Fools day.

  37. moparisthebest

    I didn't see anyone suggest to "defederate" anyone (note: defederate is not a thing that exists)

  38. opinionplatform.org

    Oh. Thought you were in all the mucs. Anyway, I'm done here unless someone else has another answer to the original question on privacy of JIDs, even for accused "spammers".

  39. unix.dog

    It's not even up to a service operator. Anyone who's created or is an admin for a semi anonymous MUC can see your JID, when you join. It's completely up to them what they do with your JID, and I personally believe that if you are causing havoc or breaking the rules of the MUC you joined, knowing your JID would be exposed, then they can share it for purposes of damage control.

  40. unix.dog

    I think there is at least some expectation of privacy, though, and you'd do well to at least attempt contact and remediation with the person breaking the rules if it's clear that it's not an automated bot or an outright spammer.

  41. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  42. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  43. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  44. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  45. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  46. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  47. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  48. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  49. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  50. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  51. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  52. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    anybody else sees the same three messages sent from snikket dot deeeeee or is it just my gajim?

  53. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  54. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  55. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    like lots of times i mean

  56. Hydrogen

    > anybody else sees the same three messages sent from snikket dot deeeeee or is it just my gajim? it is not just you

  57. amarachi

    that message duplicated like 9 times

  58. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  59. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  60. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    ah good. its 15 times now for me

  61. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  62. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  63. snikket dot deeeeee

    I haven't seen any problem with the practice of sharing the addresses here before. Until now people seem to be professional about what jids they share.

  64. snikket dot deeeeee

    If that changes... Well, then this room could setup rules for that. But if people want to share jids they know, nobody can really stoo them if they know it. They could be posted anywhere

  65. snikket dot deeeeee

    Oh no, not again.

  66. Guus

    > anybody else sees the same three messages sent from snikket dot deeeeee or is it just my gajim? Yes

  67. Polarian

    no?

  68. snikket dot deeeeee

    Hope it's fixed now

  69. Polarian

    I am using dino, can't see any duplication

  70. Guus

    >> anybody else sees the same three messages sent from snikket dot deeeeee or is it just my gajim? > Yes, I received the duplicates too (in Conversations)

  71. Guus

    Hargh that was not supposed to be a quote.

  72. Vormrodo (conexizan.de)

    > opinionplatform.org: > 2024-04-02 05:55 (GMT+02:00) > Oh. Thought you were in all the mucs. Anyway, I'm done here unless someone else has another answer to the original question on privacy of JIDs, even for accused "spammers". An option would be to retrieve support contact data from the server which is used by the alleged spammer _(XEP-0157: Contact Addresses for XMPP Services)_ so that the administrator or an associated supporter can be directly contacted with the complaint and user JID.

  73. amarachi

    posting jids here has been the de facto mechanism to add users to rtbl especially given that not all operators are available 24/7 or will necessarily even respond/act

  74. amarachi

    I've posted dozens of jids here over the years and I also follow this chat for jids to ban from my servers/mucs when posted by other reputable operators here

  75. amarachi

    if someone goes around spamming/harassing people in chats it is reasonable that they lose their privilege to conceal their jid

  76. rewtkid

    People also like to lie about being spammed and harassed on here, to ruin the reputation of others. happened to me recently. why does it not require evidence? how come you just go off someones word if they are "reputable"? i think its reasonable to need actual evidence instead of someones word, people like to take out their own personal vendettas on others in this manner.

  77. snikket dot deeeeee

    Not everyone is banned only because someone said so. But it's a point to investigate

  78. snikket dot deeeeee

    On this topic, for those running prosody, there is a nice module beeing developed https://modules.prosody.im/mod_report_forward.html It actually forwards the spam report to the admin of the account that has been reported. Not only the admin of the reporter. Also one can let it copy a report to other addresses too, for example to trusted hub for these messages for statistics

  79. snikket dot deeeeee

    Like opinionplatform.org suggested, using the admin contact address

  80. Polarian

    rewtkid: do you host a public XMPP instance

  81. Polarian

    rewtkid: do you host a public XMPP instance?

  82. moparisthebest

    Reporting to the admin of their server and other admins are for different reasons, and sometimes the admin of their server is them

  83. moparisthebest

    It's valuable to a room moderator because sometimes people join and say a few odd things but maybe not enough to ban them right off, but if they are also doing this in other rooms, then you might as well ban now

  84. rewtkid

    Polarian: yes, i do.

  85. rewtkid

    https://b1t.rip/xmpp.php

  86. Wirlaburla

    Unfortunately.