XMPP Service Operators - 2024-04-05


  1. BTNC

    > Hi, welcome! Pidgin with OTR is not a great place to start. I recommend checking out the guides at https://joinjabber.org Thank you for this. I had not looked in a long time.

  2. nuegia.net

    BTNC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrWGxj43ACA

  3. moparisthebest

    nuegia.net, fake news, everyone knows birds aren't real

  4. agh

    moparisthebest, dinosaurs are also made up.

  5. Mari0

    Do you know if any commercial XMPP service operator has already asked to Meta to have access to WhatsApp apis?

  6. ben

    Hopefully conversations.im

  7. Licaon_Kter

    I loled

  8. Licaon_Kter

    Mari0: which part of "Meta controls the client" sounds like something XMPP fans wanna do?

  9. opinionplatform.org

    Licaon_Kter: Do none of the WhatsApp clients in F-droid work?

  10. Licaon_Kter

    U trolling?

  11. Mari0

    Don't know if XMPP old time fans/ users wanna do/ have it, but it seems to me more like an opportunity than a negative thing

  12. BTNC

    WhatsApp giving access to api XD

  13. opinionplatform.org

    > U trolling? You? Searched f-droid for WhatsApp. Saw stuff. Asked.

  14. Mari0

    They have to give access to s2c due to EU DMA act

  15. Mari0

    They have to give access to c2s due to EU DMA act

  16. Licaon_Kter

    Did everyone read https://engineering.fb.com/2024/03/06/security/whatsapp-messenger-messaging-interoperability-eu/ and https://element.io/blog/the-eu-digital-markets-act-is-here/ yet?

  17. Licaon_Kter

    Did everyone read https://engineering.fb.com/2024/03/06/security/whatsapp-messenger-messaging-interoperability-eu/ and https://element.io/blog/the-eu-digital-markets-act-is-here/ yet?

  18. Mari0

    In the near future Element will give access to 1:1 chat with wa. WA will change terms and conditions starting from 11th of april

  19. amarachi

    Maybe ot, but is there any pq plans for onemo?

  20. Mari0

    I understood it's not only a matter of clients apps integration but also a service issue (media file exchange is s2s if I'm not wrong).

  21. Licaon_Kter

    amarachi: was asked several times, it depends on clients and their available libs to such pq

  22. Licaon_Kter

    Eg. The network is 'stuck' at omemo v0.3

  23. amarachi

    is there a migration plan? deadline to eventually switch?

  24. Mari0

    https://share.sabatino.pro/upload/y1-d5Os81oaWAj-solZAvvdY/v_1X2nFaTwSycr6aEW3Jbg.png

  25. Mari0

    It's also s2s it not depends only on clients

  26. Mari0

    It's also s2s, it not depends only on clients

  27. moparisthebest

    > Don't know if XMPP old time fans/ users wanna do/ have it, but it seems to me more like an opportunity than a negative thing Mari0: hard disagree, WA and other walled gardens should die, not be helped along by our hard work

  28. moparisthebest

    EU could have done something useful like mandated a standard protocol be used and instead we got this which is completely useless lol

  29. Mari0

    >> Don't know if XMPP old time fans/ users wanna do/ have it, but it seems to me more like an opportunity than a negative thing > Mari0: hard disagree, WA and other walled gardens should die, not be helped along by our hard work You're already helping, 'cause in wa interoperability there is an XMPP protocol implication 😀 afaik

  30. moparisthebest

    "helping" in terms of every person that joins or stays on WA is a loss, vs every person that joins or stays on XMPP is a win

  31. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    that wasnt the question that was asked by Mari0 tho before all this usual pile-on on WA

  32. Mari0

    > "helping" in terms of every person that joins or stays on WA is a loss, vs every person that joins or stays on XMPP is a win totally agree with you but more interoperability is more mobility outside the walled garden :-) thinking about a better future, just imagining it is a step forward ;-)

  33. Licaon_Kter

    _oh, look, we don' need to change anything cause you nerds can use your little open project to join us on WA_

  34. Licaon_Kter

    *it's free

  35. Licaon_Kter

    _"Every day you are still a silo user you keep your contacts prisoners too."_ You keep saying to them _"you should use (closed silo), I'm just quirky and odd"_ Like RMS says, every "NO" helps ;) > _If you don't stand up for your principles, why should your friends?_ https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/saying-no-even-once.html Say no to silos!

  36. Mari0

    my 85 years father and 81 mother are using xmpp (off course) but also WhatsApp, if they could chat with their wa friends using XMPP could be a good win

  37. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    also please no stallman refences :(

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  38. Hydrogen

    > also please no stallman references :( NO

  39. nicoco

    > if they could chat with their wa friends using XMPP could be a good win Well, they can if their server admin sets up a gateway… I hear there are some decent ones out there 😛

  40. Mari0

    yeah! but my question was another :-) ... and I can imagine the answer ;-)

  41. jabbering-queer.net

    > my 85 years father and 81 mother are using xmpp (off course) but also WhatsApp, if they could chat with their wa friends using XMPP could be a good win Slidge ( https://sr.ht/~nicoco/slidge ) supports WhatsApp, though I haven't tested it myself. I've only used it for Signal, Discord, and Telegram

  42. MSavoritias (fae,ve)

    the question was in regards to dma and if an xmpp operator has cut a deal with Meta to get access to WA apis

  43. roughnecks

    slidge for whatsapp works tho

  44. Licaon_Kter

    roughnecks: there's no API there, right?

  45. Licaon_Kter

    MSavoritias (fae,ve): if they use the "official" channels it's all about NDAs and "Meta control"

  46. roughnecks

    don't think so

  47. roughnecks

    it's based on this, but I think it's different API: https://github.com/tulir/whatsmeow

  48. kapad

    can't predict the future, but in some kind of business, business policies will always be on top of everything else, especially users' needs

  49. kapad

    maybe openness is a way of thinking for some, but nowdays is also a chance for some to grow up their share to whatever they already do

  50. kapad

    time will tell...