XMPP Service Operators - 2024-10-16


  1. nuegia.net

    not everybody can run a server. I can, but that's besides the point. This sort of thing really should be regulated

  2. alfred

    Why? It is a private service

  3. nuegia.net

    I mean bigtech

  4. worlio.com

    Discord is truly ridiculous on their privacy invasion.

  5. moparisthebest

    If not everyone can run a server then we, the people who design and write these systems, have failed and must do better until everyone can. Giving up on everyone running a server is what got us here.

  6. worlio.com

    However to avoid using anything you can't manage yourself is insane and unrealistic.

  7. worlio.com

    I think everyone running their own server is ridiculous and defeats the purpose of servers.

  8. worlio.com

    Email is a mess. Why? Everyone ran their own email server and so we started piling crap onto it to make it strict so the bad people running their own server wouldn't get their way.

  9. moparisthebest

    Lol no that is not anywhere near why email is bad

  10. worlio.com

    It's oversimplifying but that isn't really the point.

  11. worlio.com

    Stretching out decentralization enough to where every server is unique only creates trust problems. Manage what you can but don't feel bad using services that don't distrust you for refraining to disclose your personal information. There is a line to draw.

  12. nuegia.net

    not everybody wants to run a server either, nor should they have to.

  13. nuegia.net

    people who don't want to maintain it shouldn't

  14. worlio.com

    Not everyone has the time or patience for it, not everyone knows what they are doing.

  15. moparisthebest

    Again you are naming things that shouldn't exist

  16. worlio.com

    Servers?

  17. moparisthebest

    Remember 30 years ago when no one could run computers either, now everyone has 99999 in their life

  18. worlio.com

    And they don't know a damn thing about them.

  19. moparisthebest

    There is no reason installing a server should be more complicated than installing an app from the app store, it only still is because we've dropped the ball

  20. worlio.com

    I do not think everyone should have a server.

  21. moparisthebest

    I do

  22. worlio.com

    Well this is where we disagree. I'm sure there are many server-less services you can enjoy.

  23. moparisthebest

    We don't have to agree :) I don't want serverless, XMPP is perfect

  24. nuegia.net

    > There is no reason installing a server should be more complicated than installing an app from the app store, it only still is because we've dropped the ball yeah it should. Not everything needs to be or should devolve into a content consumption glass brick.

  25. worlio.com

    If you want everybody to host their own servers, it isn't servers anymore, it is peer-to-peer clients.

  26. worlio.com

    A diverse level of centralization is good.

  27. moparisthebest

    Centralization is always bad

  28. worlio.com

    Are you a communist?

  29. Kris

    can we please stay on topic here?

  30. nuegia.net

    hey come on now

  31. moparisthebest

    Ok that took an even more offtopic turn, ping me on any of the offtopic rooms to continue

  32. nuegia.net

    can we cool it please?

  33. nuegia.net

    no need

  34. worlio.com

    Staying on topic? In this MUC? In your dreams. What is the next topic besides being XMPP service operators?

  35. kali [she/they]

    lol what on earth did i miss

  36. worlio.com

    Nothing of importance.

  37. MattJ

    Thanks Kris, nuegia.net