XMPP Service Operators - 2026-02-05

luna, whats your username?

luna, icebound.dev, I might also go to EMF this year. :)

> luna, icebound.dev, I might also go to EMF this year. :) cool. ↺

Whats the correct MUC for discussing events I wonder...

If we could get enough XMPP folks to attend we could have an XMPP tent

try to onboard people onto the XMPP network :)

What is EMF

its a camping festival in the UK

every 2 years

Electro magnetic field

anyone up for forming a group to try to push XMPP at EMF

Fun. Do it, like the shadytel tent at us hacking camps

I have _some_ supplies I took from FOSDEM

my server is currently broken I cant form a MUC

hmm theres no XSF MUC for events, I assume xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join would be the closest match?

this is kinda last minute though theres 5 months

icebound.dev my nick is kittysol on irc but I havent been active in there for a while

I will most likely be camping with ECHQ

> I will most likely be camping with ECHQ ECHQ? ↺

Echq are the cutel folks, they handle the telephony for the camp

cappitaii@jabber.cz --> Spam (morph)

gufre@jabber.fr --> spam

> cappitaii@jabber.cz --> Spam (morph) This person seems to have endless energy and dedication, it's fascinating. ↺

jabber.cz operator here?

icebound.dev, also having the same issue

マリウス, I think they are using chatgpt because their posts don't make sense

trilane@chatterboxtown.us

knockdotout@chatterboxtown.us

goodcritique@chatterboxtown.us

warning@talk.de

fucktwelveintheasswithaknife@yax.im

netzero@jabber.fr

bees@jabber.fr

surveillance@jabber.cz

tailormay@jabber.cz

Those are throwaway accounts 🤷

Random idea: XMPP registration requiring an email address for verification of the account, but with an email domain that is not MAGA* and had been registered for at least one year.

Haven't thought it through really but I'd guess it could help curb this throwaway account creation, maybe.

> Random idea: XMPP registration requiring an email address for verification of the account, but with an email domain that is not MAGA* and had been registered for at least one year. MattJ, has been working on a plugin for prosody that can check reputation of accounts that auto auto-registered but it's not finished yet. ↺

account age, method of registration

> Those are throwaway accounts 🤷 i know theyre legit servers but ive cut down on like 80% of the spam i get by banning chatterboxtown.us, jabber.fr and talk.de ↺

ive had 1 legit user from those servers, all spammers (many morph)

probably going to add jabber.cz to that list

surprisingly i rarely get spam from conversations.im but i get a lot of legit users

> マリウス, I think they are using chatgpt because their posts don't make sense far as i can tell theyre real (we let morph run wild sometimes in one of my mucs as long as they play by the rules) and ive figured out the things that make their speech weird - they refuse to use pronouns, and will make their messages incoherrent because of it, feels very russian first language - if you piss them off slightly they will randomly redact things because ig i dont get to know the information i dont care about - theyre DEEP in that conspiracy theory shit, they both remind me of a 70 year old grandma in those right wing conspiracy theory groups on telegram and a 12 year old "furry" ↺

if you let them go wild enough they will obsessively talk about being adhd and transhumanist or whatever it may be

Sorry for potentially stupid question, but what is morph? Did try looking it up but couldnt find anything

one of the most imfamous trolls of xmpp, you know its morph because if you call someone morph and they freak out its morph

you mainly recognize them from their typing patterns

Oh that is interesting, i thought it was a software suite at first, thank you!

its an english version of some russian word, im half convinced morph is somehow related to a russian background based on their fear of anything russian but idk

between that and what seems to be a strong russian influence on their english

Lack of pronoun use makes sense for most slavic languages, yeah

In most you can just not include them unlike english

heres a sample from my muc, its a kinda edgy muc but i can invite you if you wanna be there the next 20 times they show up tonight/tomorrow lmao. youre not missing out on anything if you dont its all kinda like this in a way > Wed 04 Feb 2026 01:43:19 PM - CaptainObvious: Stanza in a XMPP: Hateful heartless unmoderative abusing of the toothless ban button is a useless path. Thou's forever muted and never welcome, no matter what happens in upcoming aeons ad long as thou is an asshole: We decide what we see, read, or talk about, that power is ours to command. Know own place, hollow pathetic childish Stanza.

i somehow got the speech patterns variant of autism

(in that example, morph is mad because ive been banning them, and that goes against their codex or something)

That looks funny from an outside perspective but can imagine that gets very tiring after 500 alt accounts

jjj may disagree but i think morph should be BOS

they have lost the priviledge to talk in a channel without scrutiny

> That looks funny from an outside perspective but can imagine that gets very tiring after 500 alt accounts yes and no, tbh i dont mind them like this, its more when theyre going on for 5 hours posting links to random schizo articles and furry videos constantly and getting offended when i call them slop ↺

them being angry at me is kinda just par for that muc its vaguely amusing

now theyll send a screenshot of their yt history with the video theyre talking out blakced out and yap about how its so informative about this or whatever else

apart from my own muc this is the only one im in lol

also apparently im a bad trans

Oh amazing

this is also why we need shadowban

where someone thinks they aren't banned but in reality all their messages are being silently dropped

> this is also why we need shadowban tbh in theory it wouldnt be too hard to make shadowbanning even just in a muc possible ↺

harder to do account wide for remote mucs

I do not want to see this person after screaming into the void for a couple days

but could probably make a quick prosody module, i wonder if you could somehow add an affiliation or how rigid the permissions spec is

> I do not want to see this person after screaming into the void for a couple days they probably wouldnt notice ↺

Lollll

> Wed 04 Feb 2026 10:21:31 PM - HubHTML: cat supports actual evil troll jjj333_p, fails to get honest direct feedback and become better. draggoe@jabber.cz

Keep in mind there is a user I have seen with the actual username morph, who unknowingly picked the name - easy to spot as a legit user due to their normal speech/text pattern though in one channel they were so confused as to why they were immediately banned initially until it was explained.

yes thats an important fact, the real morph will never be named or call themselves morph

Poor guy

update im being compared to hitler by morph

https://downloadable.pain.agency/file_share/019c2ce7-f177-7dde-8aae-5b80b819718c/fbeceb51-cae8-406e-847b-da3bf3d30ba1.png

(mind you the zestyzypper person is a bridged user from matrix...)

What have i just read

That is crazy

> Wed 04 Feb 2026 10:26:36 PM - HubHTML: Jokes have to be marked and be funny. oh yeah morph is very picky about pronouns and tone indicators, the weirdest combination of like """woke""" and right wing conspiracy theories

completely different but reminds me of superalex from matrix

> Wed 04 Feb 2026 10:27:32 PM - HubHTML: Violating extremist fake "modetators" shall be obliterated from the list by any mindful owner. Personally will treat them like dust, deservingly.

https://www.moparisthebest.com/morph.en.txt fyi

> https://www.moparisthebest.com/morph.en.txt fyi ah yeah i forgot about this one. might be worth a reread now that they collect around my chat ↺

Its a lot 😆

> they probably wouldnt notice to my point, their supprise at having not blocked one of my mucs members yet > Wed 04 Feb 2026 10:36:17 PM - HubHTML: Oh, cat has not used the slur, so not blocked. Hm. ↺

I'm still not convinced _morph_ isn't just _Ole Munch_ from the fifth season of _Fargo_.

Morph is just a figment of our imagination that is installed into every xmpp server

b4tl3r@conversations.im fishly@conversations.im

they seem to watch me when i talk about servers here lol

> Morph is just a figment of our imagination that is installed into every xmpp server we are ~charlie kirk~ morph ↺

> this is also why we need shadowban Checking it wouldn't be so hard unlike social media algorithms. Creating fake room histories for banned people make the issue more complicated. I have seen a stanza filter module in prosody though. So technically we can regex filter stanzas "from=" parts and drop it by the firewall rule maybe? ↺

dintre@conversations.im

> Checking it wouldn't be so hard unlike social media algorithms. Creating fake room histories for banned people make the issue more complicated. > I have seen a stanza filter module in prosody though. So technically we can regex filter stanzas "from=" parts and drop it by the firewall rule maybe? tbh i dont think ytou need to maintain fake history. a halfassed shadowban is all you need i think ↺

just ack the messages and echo back, and then eat the message

sonicboom@conversations.im

wouldn't it be funny if morph is jjj333_p [pain.agency] and they're now listing legit users here for everyone to ban?

it would

#psyop

i mean the displaynames are the same as the localpart, xmpp:chaos@group.pain.agency?join

also, is there something like a list in which we could enter all these users into, so that we have them persisted?

> Wed 04 Feb 2026 11:36:09 PM - haloe: The abusers just ban every new silent lurker conversations.im user after a bit. Well, insane are insane. > Wed 04 Feb 2026 11:36:24 PM - haloe: radical extremist illegal alien projection machine cat: These few moderators are not moderate, they are crazy. haloe@jabber.cz

> also, is there something like a list in which we could enter all these users into, so that we have them persisted? tbh its too late and im too buzzed to have much, could do like a google doc or some non google bullshit idk ↺

thinking something like an _"Adblock"_ list. Just brainstorming.

oh i mean xmppbl already exists im not on it though

i have trauma from CME (the matrix equivalent)

not that they would invite my lowly ass anyways

oh btw moparisthebest, you might add to the morph doc that they absolutely despise ai/llm and if they see output from one they go insane

truechaos@jabber.cz is likely morph not confirmed yet ✏

goat686@conversations.im - bro seems to be unaware that theyre the only one on some of these servers idk. like a generalization of victimization > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:07:14 AM - Goat 686: > Imagine being so desperate to bow to an Absolute Idiot. Such "teaching" worth nothing. > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:20 AM - Goat 686: > jjj333_p: Hey, the evildoer and abuser, ban conversations.im and other servers to isolate the cancer thou in particular then. Thou'd gone mad and done misconduct towards all the folks on jabber.cz an ~hour ago. > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:53 AM - Goat 686: > May ban others as well. All thou is: Shooting own foot . > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:58 AM - m0rph: > vro youre the only person in here that uses jabber.cz > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:58 AM - Goat 686: > Madness. > ✏

> Those are throwaway accounts 🤷 no shit, its used for spam ↺

> Haven't thought it through really but I'd guess it could help curb this throwaway account creation, maybe. no lol ↺

You can't assume the spammers are 1. not tech savvy, or 2. subscribe to a specific type of politics, thats a horrific way of moderating

> heres a sample from my muc, its a kinda edgy muc but i can invite you if you wanna be there the next 20 times they show up tonight/tomorrow lmao. youre not missing out on anything if you dont its all kinda like this in a way > > Wed 04 Feb 2026 01:43:19 PM - CaptainObvious: Stanza in a XMPP: Hateful heartless unmoderative abusing of the toothless ban button is a useless path. Thou's forever muted and never welcome, no matter what happens in upcoming aeons ad long as thou is an asshole: We decide what we see, read, or talk about, that power is ours to command. Know own place, hollow pathetic childish Stanza. lets not make such assumptions, nor use autism in a way to insult someone else, it could offend others in the channel. ↺

> nor use autism in a way to insult someone else idk if you read the message because i was describing what I got lmao

> where someone thinks they aren't banned but in reality all their messages are being silently dropped This turns XMPP into Discord/Reddit where moderators can shadowban to censor speech without the user realising, its scummy and shouldn't ever be implemented. A well moderated channel is the best deterrent for spammers, otherwise using a moderated channel eliminates the issue, you can also make a bot which waits for 3-5 days from the initial join of the JID before they are voiced, a "grace period" so to speak where the user has to wait, so if someone wants to spam it will be a lot more effort. ↺

if youre going to police speech at least read the message lol

im not policing speech, I am just asking to kindly not assume that because someone is spamming they must be autistic.

I have no ability to moderate you lol

> im not policing speech, I am just asking to kindly not assume that because someone is spamming they must be autistic. ... I didnt? ↺

oh I am sorry, I misread it, you said "I", I am half asleep, was working all night. I thought you said Morph.

One of the channels I was in was hit before the rest of you

https://downloadable.pain.agency/file_share/019c2d5c-1897-72ce-a9d4-7b239a8532a2/the-concept-of.gif

Morph doesn't usually spam though, so this is a little confusing...

its more a rant about how everyone is horrible people, and then leaves.

icebound.dev: I agree, it's likely that this person is at least somewhat tech savvy and would probably use a non-mainstream email account to find a way around the restriction.

> its more a rant about how everyone is horrible people, and then leaves. its kinda that on a while true loop rn ↺

> its kinda that on a while true loop rn ugh endless recursion vulnerability :p ↺

i think i might finally be witnessing the using different accounts to agree with themselves though > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:26:24 AM - wеndy: > Zesty Zypper (They/Them): Improving code starts with improving yourself. Code is a work of art, reason and logic... when done right. Relying on the machine is a shortcut not resulting in personal growth. > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:27:54 AM - wеndy: > Needless to remind that jjj333_p is awful at programming as the result. E.g. Bash was total deranged garbage. > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:28:08 AM - wеndy: > Bash. The easiest basic thing imaginable. > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:28:12 AM - wеndy: > Disgrace. > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:30:13 AM - teddytad: > > Needless to remind that jjj333_p is awful at programming as the result. E.g. Bash was total deranged garbage. > If not jjj333 nor bash than what🤔 > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:30:32 AM - m0rph: > is morph talking to themselves > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:30:41 AM - m0rph: > anyways Zesty Zypper (They/Them), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD7CRXRbcrw > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:32:49 AM - FL4K: > teddytad: Fact: *jjj333_p* posted own Bash assigment in the past, and *now gaslights you.* The script itself was defective and used variables illogically. One tried to coach this out of good heart, and, ehm, not even a thank you back. Never help jjj333_p, it's worthless. > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:33:10 AM - m0rph: > trvke > Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:34:27 AM - FL4K: > The result of using LLM: No growth, only stupidity, reliance on the 3rd wheel. Zesty Zypper (They/Them), yes, this is hard, no doubt, but better to be hard than be a disfunctional failure that can't even logic. >

just set the channel to moderated for 24-48 hours

the other idea would be to collectively put toghether a large document of all of this person's messages and train machine learning with it to be able to immediately identify any account :-)

> just set the channel to moderated for 24-48 hours that doesnt really work with the bridge i have, but its okay i only ban them sometimes at this point ↺

from what I see the messages seem very distinctive

ironically i took a class on doing such things

> the other idea would be to collectively put toghether a large document of all of this person's messages and train machine learning with it to be able to immediately identify any account :-) I dont think you would like it if I took your messages and trained a model on them, lets not do that to others shall we? Morph might be a pain but provoking them more is not the way to calm the situation down. ↺

so in theory i should be able to do so

> I dont think you would like it if I took your messages and trained a model on them, lets not do that to others shall we? Morph might be a pain but provoking them more is not the way to calm the situation down. offtopic for this channel, but imo once you recieve a message in a chat, that message is now in your message. i.e. single party consent for recording etc etc ↺

I probably wouldn't like it if it was being sent to some cloud LLM

I would say it comes under common decency to not abuse your role as operator

>> where someone thinks they aren't banned but in reality all their messages are being silently dropped > This turns XMPP into Discord/Reddit where moderators can shadowban to censor speech without the user realising, its scummy and shouldn't ever be implemented. > > A well moderated channel is the best deterrent for spammers, otherwise using a moderated channel eliminates the issue, you can also make a bot which waits for 3-5 days from the initial join of the JID before they are voiced, a "grace period" so to speak where the user has to wait, so if someone wants to spam it will be a lot more effort. First paragraph I agree. It is so Twitter-like. Grace period is painful though. ↺

Just because you _could_ both physically and legally, doesn't mean you _should_ ✏

> I would say it comes under common decency to not abuse your role as operator to me the line is am i a participant in the chat or not. I wouldnt scrape the db for chats im not in. only chats im in, ostensibly public ones in this case ↺

this is all theoretical though, i cba to train shit on fart

> First paragraph I agree. It is so Twitter-like. Grace period is painful though. AZERTY keyboard, it was a suggestion if it gets really bad, but for the most part just having an admin there to ban those being a pain and to set the channel to moderated when there is an influx of spam is more than enough in 99% of cases. ↺

I don't agree. The person forfeit their right to be treated fairly. At this point it seems fair to outlaw them and take appropriate measures. Maybe they will reconsider their actions, knowing that everything they type is being fed into an algorithms. Besides, I didn't specify _sending messages to some cloud LLM_.

a classifier based model should be trivial to run on a local machine

also I believe the document moparisthebest shared here stated that this morph person is extensively collecting logs of channels/people.

> also I believe the document moparisthebest shared here stated that this morph person is extensively collecting logs of channels/people. can confirm based on my interactions ↺

they actually got very upset with me because they couldnt get enough logs from my muc (not my fault, my retention is 1week their client was being weird) and joined the matrix side since that has infinite logging

wendy@conversations.im infesti@conversations.im teddytad@conversations.im skyroy@conversations.im latest jids i got

at this point you should maybe password protect the channels for some time to let it cool off.

eh ill just stop reporting at some point (can now if yall want) the chat is such a dumpsterfire it really doesnt matter i just got annoyed with them

(i havent even been banning them for a while, theyre rotating jids for the fun of it ig)

just ban him on sight

> just ban him on sight mf youre literally mod in that room ↺

>> just ban him on sight > mf youre literally mod in that room i have permission then? ↺

yeah sure

whats the muc for XMPP providers?

I believe there is a MUC to discuss it...

> I believe there is a MUC to discuss it... there isnt

https://providers.xmpp.net/contact/ -> xmpp:support@chat.xmpp-providers.org?join

> oh btw moparisthebest, you might add to the morph doc that they absolutely despise ai/llm and if they see output from one they go insane just to being clear I rescued that from web archives because it annoys the shit out of him and makes him leave and not come back, haven't modified it and don't plan to ↺

i am morph

morph would never say that, he calls it the "m-slur" 🤣

😔

caught in 4k

Just FYI, cyberdelia.com.ar is back online ... we been offline due to a big poweroutage

Glad to have you back. How long was the outage?

> just to being clear I rescued that from web archives because it annoys the shit out of him and makes him leave and not come back, haven't modified it and don't plan to ah. tbh might be interesting to have an updated doc on him ↺

> its an english version of some russian word, im half convinced morph is somehow related to a russian background based on their fear of anything russian but idk They are because they freaked out with the earthquakes in Russia happened blaming the Americans for controlling the quakes. It was so crazy I used ai to turn it into a metal song. ↺

> heres a sample from my muc, its a kinda edgy muc but i can invite you if you wanna be there the next 20 times they show up tonight/tomorrow lmao. youre not missing out on anything if you dont its all kinda like this in a way >> Wed 04 Feb 2026 01:43:19 PM - CaptainObvious: Stanza in a XMPP: Hateful heartless unmoderative abusing of the toothless ban button is a useless path. Thou's forever muted and never welcome, no matter what happens in upcoming aeons ad long as thou is an asshole: We decide what we see, read, or talk about, that power is ours to command. Know own place, hollow pathetic childish Stanza. OOOOh so they are also the 'thou' person! ↺

Can we now stop posting about this topic in this channel?

xmpp:muc-operators@room.telepath.im?join might be more on topic > For exchanging information and JIDs on spammers ✏

I see lot of anecdotes and folklore but not many jids. I think this all only encourages them. Seeing how it affects so many.

> goat686@conversations.im - bro seems to be unaware that theyre the only one on some of these servers idk. like a generalization of victimization >> Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:07:14 AM - Goat 686: >> Imagine being so desperate to bow to an Absolute Idiot. Such "teaching" worth nothing. >> Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:20 AM - Goat 686: >> jjj333_p: Hey, the evildoer and abuser, ban conversations.im and other servers to isolate the cancer thou in particular then. Thou'd gone mad and done misconduct towards all the folks on jabber.cz an ~hour ago. >> Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:53 AM - Goat 686: >> May ban others as well. All thou is: Shooting own foot . >> Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:58 AM - m0rph: >> vro youre the only person in here that uses jabber.cz >> Thu 05 Feb 2026 12:08:58 AM - Goat 686: >> Madness. >> If we had weighted spamfilters instead of just regex it would be easy to treat any stanza or user who uses both 'thou' and 'evildoer' suspect. ↺

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tbh if clients just had a keyword notification feature that would be helpful

I don't want to be bothered I just want the filters to catch bulk automatically. Its not fair and weighs on my sanity to constantly be sifting through that crap.

imo its too prone to error, ive never been a huge fan of automated moderation

Thou evildoer never been fan of automated moderation?

> tbh if clients just had a keyword notification feature that would be helpful Profanity may have it ↺

I asked them months ago for a similar feature they said it has

> imo its too prone to error, ive never been a huge fan of automated moderation Yeah automation doesn't know context ↺

> https://providers.xmpp.net/contact/ -> xmpp:support@chat.xmpp-providers.org?join Thanks Matt ↺

> Glad to have you back. How long was the outage? lost count after 12hrs ↺

plus being on vacations far from home makes it hard to check things after the power came back