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daniel
Are we going to have a meeting in half an hour?
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pep.
yep
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pep.
Thanks for reminding me
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pep.
Even though I do have stuff notifying me on the phone
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pep.
https://di.c3voc.de/ptt:en:start reading through this. I like the name of this year :p
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pep.
“Push To Talk”
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pep.
hmm, so it seems CCC is "just" going to be a bunch of smaller events from all various hackerspaces happening at the same time?
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pep.
https://di.c3voc.de/user:ptt:home-assembly < they all have different platforms linked (jitsi-meet, mumble, etc.)
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daniel
yeah i don’t really know how that's supposed to work
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daniel
going to work
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daniel
to be very honest all the remote stuff I participated over the last 6 month wasn’t that good
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pep.
I participated in DOTS recently, MattJ as well. I actually liked it.
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pep.
Something something decentralized design stuff
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vanitasvitae
on sunday I participated in the ESA open day, which was okayish
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MattJ
I have three monitors, I don't know how I could have participated in that workshop with any fewer
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MattJ
But it was good, yes
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vanitasvitae
Basically they had 4 or 5 talks in parallel plus answering of questions in chat
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pep.
They used a feature of Big Blue Button which allows you to easily create "sub" rooms and shove of fpeople in there✎ -
pep.
They used a feature of Big Blue Button which allows you to easily create "sub" rooms and shove off people in there ✏
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pep.
That can be done with other platforms I'm sure even though it's not a feature per se
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pep.
But I believe something can be made enjoyable if well organised
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pep.
Though tbh Summit is not really passionate talks :p
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pep.
A bunch of protocol nerds arguing
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vanitasvitae
yeah
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pep.
https://trello.com/b/xIiBUwGh/summits-conferences-and-meetups we still have this agenda btw
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pep.
Probably things to update with the current situation
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pep.
I haven't participarted in online conferences much lately. I'd like to gather feedback from people who have to see how it's generally done
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pep.
daniel, maybe it's our chance to do something for XMPP without most of the organisational costs
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daniel
maybe…
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pep.
I can feel enthusiasm from here
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pep.
Tbh I was also a bit lost when the pandemy started. I didn't think I'd enjoy online stuff much so I was reluctant and did other things, but I've had positive feedback from various people (general feeling, no details)
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pep.
So maybe it's just that I'm terrible at organising stuff :P
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pep.
Time!
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pep.
Guus, ?
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Guus
aye
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pep.
# Welcome
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daniel
yeah I don’t know. those conferences and meetings were/are a lot about actually meeting people for me
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daniel
but yes maybe I just need to come to terms with all that
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pep.
Nyco isn't here. We got a lot of people following today (no pressure)
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pep.
# Agenda
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pep.
So there's the Summit topic, anything else?
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Guus
Thanks for mentioning the no pressure part. 🙂
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Guus
I actually got something
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Guus
designer gave me new designs
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pep.
cool, should we start with this?
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Guus
did not share them yet, forgot about it.
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pep.
heh, ok then
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Guus
let's do something else, so that I can try and find htem 🙂
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pep.
# Summit 2021
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pep.
Guus, do you want to lead on this? Or is it mostly a brainstorming session to see what we could do?
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Guus
I have no structured ideas or any kind of plan, to be honest
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dwd
Do we want one big Summit event, or a series of much smaller ones?
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Guus
Do we want a summit? If so, in what form?
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daniel
I think we should do summit in a very similiar format
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daniel
two days. leading up to fosdem
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daniel
have lunch at the same time. stuff like that
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daniel
have a big blue button or what ever
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pep.
Do we have feedback from previous years btw?
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pep.
On what could be done differently etc.
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Guus
Setting expectations: this is definitely not going to be an in-person event, right?
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daniel
Guus, no it is not
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pep.
yeah for me in-person is off the table
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Guus
with that, it's sufficiently different that feedback from last years might not be applicable?
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daniel
i actually don’t remember this years feedback round (did we have one) - only last years
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Guus
If we're going to do an online event, it might be good to steal a format that has been successful? In example: did someone have experience organizing or participating in a format that they'd like?
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daniel
I participated in conference style conferences
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daniel
but not the round table thing that summit is
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pep.
Not me, but I know a few people who have and I'm going to poke them. Also going to poke Mastodon probably and ask around
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daniel
we will def. need good moderation
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Guus
daniel moderator person, or technology?
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pep.
2 weeks ago in the DOTS meeting we were.. many, and moderation was just fine tbh
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daniel
but other than that I can imagine that it can work relatively close to in person summits
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daniel
Guus, person
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daniel
but also technology I guess
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daniel
(muteing people etc)
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JustLikeThat
I have a proposal.
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pep.
JustLikeThat, go ahread✎ -
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JustLikeThat, go ahead ✏
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pep.
daniel, I'd say we need to have somewhat clear and easy rules and somebody that can say this or that (not everybody at the same time), that is somewhat similar to our in-person meeting, and generally it's fine I feel
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JustLikeThat
Just a sec ...
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daniel
well our in person meeting also have good moderation
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daniel
and if you didn’t notice I guess that's a sign of how good they are :-)
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Guus
Unsure if the same moderator is willing to re-up, and/or do it in a different format. But we can ask.
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dwd
We could use a replacement for the post-it notes. They felt like a success last time, and the only decent online tool for that is closed source.
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pep.
So while JustLikeThat is preparing, I guess we'll have to think about multiple domains: organising people, and infrastructure. As jonas said last week, we should ask iteam rather quickly if we need something from them
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pep.
dwd, there's a nice frama-tool for that
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pep.
obviously baguettified but that can be translated before the deadline
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dwd
pep., I'd welcome a pointer for that.
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daniel
if we need tools I suggest we should use scam budget to just buy them
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daniel
instead of trying to host something ourselves
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daniel
just rent a BBB for a month
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pep.
dwd, https://framemo.org/scam-meeting
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daniel
(or whatever)
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Guus
daniel I'd prefer that for all infra needed.
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dwd
I can spin up AWS hosting if we need to self-host quickly. Either Pando will stub it up, or I can.
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pep.
(I wouldn't)
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JustLikeThat
https://files.dismail.de/data/2fc9d97aa259e81a08cdcbe5b688fae59fc613c5/dVdFhUPsMDTzcEDqlQIEr5ADLa2KyvxNJmTTtjuR/XMPP.jpg
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JustLikeThat
https://files.dismail.de/data/2fc9d97aa259e81a08cdcbe5b688fae59fc613c5/V9gLD5Am7pn55zRtja5u1shcwzKuQ7uWFJDmyS9i/Error-Screenshot.jpg
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Guus
Having conference infra setup by 'the professionals' is likely to introduce less issues than something that we try to do ourselves.
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pep.
Thanks for your input JustLikeThat
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pep.
(For clients not displaying the ban, they've been banned because porn :))
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Guus
can someone ban him in xsf too, please?
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Guus
also, did me banning JustLikeThat also demote ralph and intosi? My client gives feedback that suggested that.
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daniel
ok. back o topic
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daniel
so we should evaluate tools?
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Guus
I'm hoping for someone to be able to recommend tools from experience
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pep.
Guus, I don't especially agree with what professionals do or don't do better. I also understand that iteam has much on their plate but I assume that if jonas said something in this regard he might consider helping(?)
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pep.
I'd go with BBB I think, or Jitsi-meet, whichever.
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moparisthebest
second vote for one of those
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daniel
I’m gonna be in a BBB conf on Thursday. I can share my experience I guess
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daniel
i generally like jitsi. but BBB probably performs better?
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daniel
¹ for that amount of people
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Guus
I can't compare them, never used BBB
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pep.
I guess it's similar performance-wise. We're not gonna be millions anyway
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moparisthebest
I hear really good things about BBB, know some teachers that use it with classrooms full of kids and love it, haven't used it myself
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pep.
Plus we don't need to look at everybody's face, worst case :P
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dwd
Can I suggest we hold a couple of mini-events so we're not going into the Summit completely blind?
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pep.
dwd, what do you have in mind
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Guus
have a meeting or something would be a nice start
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Guus
starting with babysteps
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Guus
maybe do some kind of virtual meetup afterwards?
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dwd
pep., I'm not sure. But a small 1-2 hour session would be a great way to test the tech, and if we have something useful to discuss that would be great.
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pep.
Not sure what you're afraid about actually
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Guus
I need to go in a bit. Can we wrap up, come up with some actions, and work towards closing the meeting please?
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moparisthebest
council or board could do a meeting with it?
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pep.
Progress we've made this far.. we don't seem to know what format to use, we don't know what tools to use even though it's likely to resolve around BBB/Jitsi-Meet, we agree it's gonna be online at least
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pep.
I'd like to maybe have more regular meetings about this, say in 1-2 weeks again, after having gathered feedback.
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Guus
ok
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pep.
I'm personally not convinced we need a dry test first, I'm sure it's doable, but if people think it'd be good I'm not gonna oppose it.
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Guus
Are we cancelling the annual dinner?
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Guus
Do we want to try to arrange for some kind of alternative?
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pep.
Do you want to eat in front of your screen?
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Guus
(eg: home-delivered somethign something?)
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pep.
With everybody on the other side
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moparisthebest
seems like it'd be good to get a handful of people to test whatever beforehand anyway even if it's not an official dry run or whatever
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daniel
> (eg: home-delivered somethign something?) That would be fun
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daniel
I actually had the same idea
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pep.
hah
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daniel
But dunno how realtisc
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Guus
me neither
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Guus
lets ponder
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pep.
Well I don't know where I'll be at this point so.. :P
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daniel
Probably pretty expensive and tough to organize
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moparisthebest
everyone can BYOB though :)
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Guus
let's reconvene next week
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pep.
# Next
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pep.
+1w ? 4pm still
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Guus
Let me share the designs
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Guus
https://igniterealtime.org:443/httpfileupload/tszJyNJX1DAbMyeIh07OKSobDSk/XSF-Folder1.jpg
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Guus
https://igniterealtime.org:443/httpfileupload/A84jw5y9lX5cBwYLvN7030gZlyw/Brochure-final-version.jpg
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pep.
I'm not sure I'll have connectivity next week but let's try it
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daniel
we can have an event to discuss the summit
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daniel
+1w wfm
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daniel
that's a big diff to the previous one
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pep.
Guus, do you want to talk about that quickly?
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Guus
I haven't even looked at it myself
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daniel
i kinda liked the earlier ones (too) and i don’t understand where the changes come from
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Guus
that was from feedback that we had back then.
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Guus
I need to dig up the details if you want to know exactly
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Guus
but at some point - just pick one, and go with that/
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daniel
ok fair enough
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daniel
sorry i didn’t want to come of too complainy
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pep.
What's our target btw for these leaflets
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Guus
Have some.
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pep.
For whom
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Guus
be able to hand them out at conferences and meetups. Hah.
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dwd
Oh, I assumed that was porn.
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Guus
it kinda is? 😉
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pep.
XMPPorn
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moparisthebest
not enough XML to be porn
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dwd
XMPPorn.
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dwd
Ha!
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pep.
!
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pep.
Ok, let's end this
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pep.
# Close
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pep.
Thanks all
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Guus
cheers
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pep.
minutes should follow
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pep.
(I'll send them)
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Guus
thanks!
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pep.
Guus, can I link the pictures in the minutes? (They'll probably expire at some point but they'll likely be irrelevant anyway at that time)
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pep.
(Unless you only keep that a week :x)
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Guus
Sure
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pep.
https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/scam/2020-June/000006.html hmm, this never got a reply btw
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pep.
GSoC is over now though
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vanitasvitae
As a mentor I support this idea ;P
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