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hildjj
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=215959417&PW=ae8ea25b403f203f&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
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fritzy
Neehaw
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bear
wooo
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fritzy
Ralph is a hater.
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winfried
he is not well-formed...
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fritzy
must be that crazy Twisted stuff.
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fritzy
Ralph is really testing Swift's ability to summarize presence changes.
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Florian
:)
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stpeter
:)
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fritzy
it's too bad, but I can't hear anyone on the other end of the room. It'll work better when we break out into groups, I suppose.
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Kev
fritzy; It's good, though :D
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fritzy
Kev: oh yeah
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bear
I never know what to say for these introductions
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Kev
"Bear". Your name's "Bear".
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bear
:P
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fritzy
yup
-
Kev
Happy to help.
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hildjj
fritzy: it was hard to hear some of those people IRL
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Kev
There. He remembered, phew.
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fritzy
the JSON stuff isn't about changing XMPP.
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bear
yea, that is what we need to keep reminding folks
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fritzy
It's about making a bridge that can run at any layer for the increasing percentage of web developers
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fritzy
"as is traditional..." and then the audio cut off
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Kev
Peter's saying there's lots of stuff we do.
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Florian
If you want to attend the dinner tonight, and haven't filled in the menu yet, do so now
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Florian
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dExlcTBGN2lyYzlJb1h3OEI4cXBicGc6MQ#gid=0
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Kev
You know all this.
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fritzy
ah, ok. Strange that the audio suddenly stopped working.
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Kev
Is it back?
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fritzy
no
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bear
he's summarizing the areas people have mentioned to start getting working groups set up
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fritzy
this'll be more useful in a smaller group setting anyway
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Kev
I don't think I have any power to d osomething here.
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fritzy
it's ok for now
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fritzy
I'll just participate in the smaller groups as I can
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Kev
OK.
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bear
if something new is said I will try and repeat it hear
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bear
MEP, WebRTC, WebSockets and Bosh
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bear
we know now that long polling is not the issue
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Kev
Not the solution, rather.
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bear
jim is redialing now
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fritzy
well, now that we have something better
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bear
err joe
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fritzy
Geeze, Joe is a legend, and you get his name wrong?!
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fritzy
;)
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bear
new keyboard
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fritzy
I'll try too
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Kev
bear: Keys all in different places?
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bear
now he is talking about internationalization and mobile support
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bear
kev: no - my thumbs are in new places
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Kev
Ah. I hate it when that happens.
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bear
dave!
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Dave Cridland
Mike!
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bear
there is a webex setup
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hildjj
ok, audio should be back?
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Dave Cridland
Ah - where away webex?
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fritzy
ok, I have audio now
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hildjj
dwd: https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=215959417&PW=ae8ea25b403f203f&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
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fritzy
I'm good to stay up all night.
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Kev
So I heard.
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winfried
current thoughts JSON object model
- Dave Cridland adds the Webex URI the wiki
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fritzy
wire protocol isn't necessary, but may be done in certain situations
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stpeter
fritzy: let us know if you'd like to channel anything to the room for you
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stpeter
set the topic to
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_13 | https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=215959417&PW=ae8ea25b403f203f&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
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fritzy
yeah, let me know when I have a chance to summarize my thoughts
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stpeter
fritzy: will do
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stpeter
fritzy: our audio is not so great here so we might need to repeat some of what you say here (or crank it up to 11!)
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fritzy
erreven!
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fritzy
It's important to clarify that this is a subset of XMPP. It's not extensible, although we might have a XEP for passing generic JSON blobs.
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Dave Cridland
This webex thing is fun. All the power of Animated GIF.
-
Dave Cridland
Oh, and now buzzing instead of audio.
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fritzy
Buzzzzzzzzzz
-
fritzy
oh, fixed
-
Dave Cridland
Unless you've all started monotonically humming?
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hildjj
sorry, that was peter.
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Dave Cridland
Ah, for me as well.
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stpeter
sorry, was playing with the audio settings here
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fritzy
Dave: are you not in the room then?
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Dave Cridland
I'm in *a* room...
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stpeter
hold on!!!
-
stpeter
I hung up on you
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darkrain
fritzy: We hung up on you (apparently)
-
fritzy
oops
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Steffen Larsen
he he he
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stpeter
please hold :)
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fritzy
what I was saying is that as far as what developers wants varies greatly
-
fritzy
the commonality is that they won't touch XML
-
fritzy
because their XML tools have been so bad for so long
-
fritzy
and when they think about extensibility, they're thinking about sending their own blobs as payload
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Steffen Larsen
but that does not sound extensible
-
Steffen Larsen
;-)
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stpeter
we still need to get the audio working again
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fritzy
NO NOT REST
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Dave Cridland
No REST for the wicked.
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fritzy
Not REST... we're not talking routing or verb translation.
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bear
sorry - rest is just my comfort area for web stuff
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fritzy
There is some code. stanza.io
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stpeter
you're back
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stpeter
on audio
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Dave Cridland
I can't here any of this (aside from PSA).
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Kev
He's the only person near the mic.
-
Dave Cridland
Right.
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fritzy
Federation, security, etc.
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darkrain
"Some people want presence+routing. Other people want pubsub."
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Kev
Steffen was just saying that we can't solve all problems, but we can work out a common lib.
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fritzy
presence, routing, rosters, identity.
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stpeter
fritzy: right
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Kev
common requirements, for an API>
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Lance
basically: what can we provide to be better than socket.io
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Steffen Larsen
fritzy: exactly
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fritzy
and then pubsub
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stpeter
fritzy: pubsub in 1.1 or whatever
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stpeter
fritzy: or a more native pubsubby thing
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fritzy
yeah
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fritzy
Right... strophe expects you to write and parse XML, and no other lib forces you to do that
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stpeter
fritzy: yes
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fritzy
Strophe is mostly just a BOSH connection manager.
-
fritzy
It's simply not enough
-
stpeter
fritzy: yes
-
stpeter
that's right
-
fritzy
and it's not even just about XML... we're expecting application developers to write the wire protocol.
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Dave Cridland
Right, they want to take some simple API, and throw a javascript object at some endpoint, and get one back.
-
fritzy
exactly
-
fritzy
now that's not to discount the people that want to do more, so I disagree with some of the things you were saying (that it should never be more than that)
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Dave Cridland
Yes and no. For things like MUC, I'm not sure if doing anything different on the wire is the right direction - I think a neat layer over STrophe is possibly the better chocie.
-
Dave Cridland
(Sorry, typing shot this morning).
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fritzy
sure sure... an I agree. But we can kill two birds with one stone... we can make a JSON SDK that can /potentially/ be translated on the other side of the wire.
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Dave Cridland
s/JSON/Javascript object and native feel/ and you're on.
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Steffen Larsen
I still feel strange that we are talking about SDKs when we are doing protocols.. :-)
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Dave Cridland
Because the SDK is what's visible, and that's what gains mindshare.
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Steffen Larsen
Dave: I know..
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Dave Cridland
With most of our protocol design, we talk about end-user (or end-entity) actions, then see how to translate them onto things on the wire. Here we're a layer down, is all.
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fritzy
Well, that's why people love JSON... because it can be a Javascript object OR a serialized thing
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ralphm
So apparently Buddycloud has its annual company outing
-
fritzy
so... is there anything going on in the room right now? cause we have no audio
-
Kev
fritzy: We're ascertaining interest in the topics.
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Steffen Larsen
no talking about the different topics
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fritzy
I'll kill my video so you don't have to stare at me picking my nose then.
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Dave Cridland
I'll point my video at the dog.
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Florian
lol
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fritzy
your dog is licking itself, I think
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Dave Cridland
He's having a scratch.
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Florian
we'll be back in 15mins
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fritzy
k, what are the breakout groups?
-
bear
we haven't decided yet
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Dave Cridland
Oh, the dog's gone camera shy.
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Florian
i'm going to Google+ them
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bear
they are taking a bio brak
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fritzy
oh, I thought that was what was being discussed. :)
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Florian
the topics are on the G+ event
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hildjj
i'm trying some other A/V options while we're taking a break.
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fritzy
Florian yeah? I don't see an event...
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Zash
\o/
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fritzy
w00t
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fritzy
How've you been, Zash?
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fritzy
I'm making coffee and Dave is making tea.
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Florian
fritzy: sent you an invite to the event
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Florian
anyone else not part of the XMPP Summit e ent?
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Florian
I'm in G+ Party Mode streaming some pics there
-
Florian
topics are up
-
Florian
https://plus.google.com/events/c7apt48oi63qoi07a6a5psaf8fc?authkey=CProyqyywtGFHw
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hildjj
For file transfer, look at XEPs: 95, 96, 65
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fritzy
for a good time, call Joe
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Zash
fritzy: Fine, thanks. I arrive. Except now we're out of coffee. I may have had something to do with that...
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bear
can you hear him?
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Zash
Kev: Tobias did implement -PLUS, but it has not been merged yet
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fritzy
bear: yes
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fritzy
thanks guy
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fritzy
s
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Florian
http://go.estos.de/chat/#0hgo7on5
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bear
lance - what is your jid? I just realized I don't have you in my roster
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Steffen Larsen
WebRTC and MUC: http://candy-chat.github.com/candy-webrtc/
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Dave Cridland
Alexey tried to make DIGEST-MD5 use saslprep, but as I recall is was a rathole.
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hildjj
dave: that's my recollection. the whole idea of having a separate *prep for SASL vs. your application protocol is a little wonky anyway.
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Dave Cridland
hildjj, Well, given that SASL authentication identifiers are already technically unrelated to the authorization identifiers from the protocol, maybe it makes some weird kind of sense.
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Dave Cridland
Not that I can really hear much of what's said, but Kurt Zeilenga's take here is that it makes sense to have multiple jids, one in ASCII and one not, and either have some mechanism to find out the real non-ASCII jid from the ASCII handle, or else have the server actually remember which jid alias to use for which contact.
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Zash
Did you just say 'jid alias'?
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Dave Cridland
Zash, Yes, but actually in the sense I used it I mean jid equivalent.
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Kev
Dave Cridland: Yes, but that's to solve a different problem.
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Dave Cridland
Kev, Ah, OK.
-
Kev
Kurt's argument for having an ascii and a non-ascii is so you can put easy things on your business card or whatever.
-
Kev
Rather than suggesting that Japanese folks need to have an ASCII JID.
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Dave Cridland
Kev, Right.
-
Dave Cridland
Kev, But ISTR his general goal is remote canonicalization.
-
ralphm
with something like punycode?
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Dave Cridland
Where is the microphone? Because I now can't here Kev, even. Is it shielded by the laptop lids?
-
Kev
I'm just not shouting any more. I was making an effort TO PROJECT earlier.
-
ralphm
up front
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Dave Cridland
Kev, You is becomin' an hack-toor?
-
ralphm
Can you hear Kev now?
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Dave Cridland
Very much so.
-
Dave Cridland
If he projects much more we can drop the webex, I think.
-
ralphm
he's presenting now
-
Dave Cridland
Of course, I can't see his diagram.
-
ralphm
better?
-
Dave Cridland
Yes. Though for a brief moment I could only see his crotch.
-
Zash
hah
-
darkrain
TMI
-
Zash
What darkrain said
-
darkrain
here's a muc, there's a muc. everyone muc muc
-
Lloyd
you beat me to that joke :)
-
darkrain
Great minds and all that.
-
Dave Cridland
These two mucs count as one muc.
-
Zash
Did Kev say MUCeption?
-
Zash
Everything needs more MAM!
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Dave Cridland
You can turn me round again now.
-
SimonTennant
Zash: +1
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Dave Cridland
Ta.
-
fritzy
End <- encryption -> End
-
fritzy
like that?
-
Dave Cridland
We have a discussion about e2e encryption every time, so should have one this time if only for tradition's sake.
-
Lance
can someone just tell us how to do it properly this time?
-
SimonTennant
Somewhat related to Federated MUC is the Zookeeper project ZAB: http://research.yahoo.com/files/ladis08.pdf
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Dave Cridland
Lance, The encryption bit is easy, it's the authentication and key exchange bit that's so damn hard.
-
fritzy
did we lose audio?
-
fritzy
oh, there it is
-
Dave Cridland
fritzy, They lost speech.
-
fritzy
I have a lot of opinions on xmpp as middleware
-
fritzy
ok, I just have one big one.
-
fritzy
Don't do it unless you're federating data.
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Dave Cridland
I think it also depends on where your middle is.
-
fritzy
xactly
-
Dave Cridland
XMPP does to the auth stuff pretty well.
-
Dave Cridland
does do.
-
fritzy
right, but middleware is often network secured rather than identity authed
-
Steffen Larsen
fritzy: no thats not always true..
-
fritzy
often, as I said
-
Steffen Larsen
:-)
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Dave Cridland
Right, purely internal middleware is not interesting, but if your middleware is talking over the internet, say, that changes things whether federation is in play or not.
-
fritzy
right
-
fritzy
don't bother unless it's going over the public net
-
Dave Cridland
I personally suspect that middleware is talking over mobile links and direct-to-browser a lot more than it used to.
-
fritzy
sure sure... clients are further out
-
Lance
dave: yes, it is
-
fritzy
social network: might wait for Simon tomorrow?
-
Zash
He's here
-
Kev
fritzy: He's here.
-
fritzy
oh
-
Dave Cridland
fritzy, I think he's that collection of eight pixels towards the end on the left.
-
fritzy
this cisco tech is really amazing
-
Dave Cridland
It's like being in the room.
-
Dave Cridland
In a parallel universe where you see in 8-bit games console graphics.
-
fritzy
yeah well, most of it is filled in by my imagination and remembering actually being in that room
-
Florian
haha
-
Dave Cridland
Florian, You can't laugh, you weren't born when we had graphics this bad.
-
fritzy
it's like that dream where you can't see anyone's faces
-
fritzy
this staying awake all night thing was easier when I was younger
-
fritzy
I think if we solve the web-integration problems, that the social network stuff will come
-
fritzy
because the social network people will come
-
Dave Cridland
fritzy, I think that's certainly a lot of it, yes.
-
hildjj
i'd be happy to shut the camera off if it's not helpful.
-
fritzy
hildjj: what would we complain about then?! ;)
-
hildjj
there's no camera that could shoot this room.
-
fritzy
it's helpful. Thanks Joe. Sorry for complaining
-
Lance
right. the problem right now is that it is too simple and easy to build a silo system, compared to integrating xmpp
-
hildjj
the lighting also sucks, which doesn't help.
-
hildjj
it's like WebRTC, but with more angle brackets, and a bunch of namespace stuff you won't understand.
-
Kev
But it's OK, we can show you how to copy/paste.
-
fritzy
right, we have a strong sense of identity
-
fritzy
I repeat... if we solve the web integration problem, they'll come.
-
darkrain
There's an inherent "that XML stuff is scary; I've seen SOAP" attitude, perhaps
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Dave Cridland
fritzy, Universal identity and addressability, no less.
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hildjj
darkrain: yes. but i'm tired of fighting that battle.
-
hildjj
partially because i agree with them. XML blows.
-
fritzy
it's a battle not worth fighting anymore.
-
fritzy
time for an attitude change
-
darkrain
I agree; just need to find a way to side-step it.
-
hildjj
right. i've been at least as much of a problem as anyone else for maintaining the status quo, and i'm trying to not be anymore.
-
fritzy
:)
-
SimonTennant
Cridland: "XMPP: Universal identity and addressability" sounds great.
-
hildjj
simon, i usually say "identity-based routing"
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Steffen Larsen
id, presence and routing.. thats how I use it as middleware..
-
sekistner
What about scaling, how do you tackle bottlenecks in a federated system?
-
hildjj
sekistner: it's always the other guys problem. :)
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Dave Cridland
SimonTennant, Yeah, it's a bit sound-bite-y, but it's the basic thing - every entity in an XMPP network, from the user (or their account in abstract), and each connected client or server, are all given an addressable name.
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fritzy
sekistner: implementation problem... and implementations have solved it.
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Dave Cridland
sekistner, I'm not sure I understand - when a system is highly federated, it tends to scale better (because other people take on more burden).
-
fritzy
webrtc people.... GET OUT
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Steffen Larsen
get a room
-
hildjj
ok, i'm going to drop from webex. peter can crank the a/v back up.
-
fritzy
uhh.. ok
-
sekistner
Not in the web usually. If twitter was federated a retweet from Justin bieber kills a small server.
-
Zash
That's why "web-scale" is a thing ;)
-
fritzy
ugh...
-
fritzy
can you guys hear me?
-
Lance
nope
-
Steffen Larsen
no?
-
fritzy
so sad
-
Steffen Larsen
fritzy: your screaming?
-
fritzy
we're wailing
-
fritzy
haha... thanks stpeter
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darkrain
Zash: https://www.google.com/search?q=mongodb+is+webscale seems relevant
-
stpeter
video?
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fritzy
stpeter: doesn't matter.. but if you could hear me, that'd be nice.
-
fritzy
chaos is good networking
-
fritzy
websocket/bosh is a solved problem
-
stpeter
fritzy: right
-
Dave Cridland
A Chaosnet reference?
-
sekistner
Yeah you make fun of web developers and wonder why they ignore xmpp.
-
stpeter
:P
-
fritzy
I'll be back in 20 min
-
Florian
Whitepaper chat: http://piratepad.net/CROClrYlXo
-
hildjj
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-aggregated-service-discovery
-
Zash
no :(
-
Zash
Dave Cridland:
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Dave Cridland
So I can hear Peter really well, and the video's pretty good, but I can only hear Ralph if he faces the laptop and talks pretty clear.
-
Dave Cridland
Argh! Giant hand!
-
Zash
HAha
-
darkrain
IT'S ALIVE
-
Zash
Dave: Better audio now?
-
Dave Cridland
Yes, that's good.
-
fritzy
bakc
-
hildjj
TINS: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0111.html
-
Dave Cridland
fritzy, We're talking pubsub.
-
Dave Cridland
fritzy, Well, they are. Strangely, the video's gone back to 8-bit mode.
-
fritzy
ok, thanks
-
Dave Cridland
This is a shame, because I can no longer read the whiteboard.
-
Zash
Dave Cridland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsWFFuYZYI
-
Dave Cridland
Oh. Suddenly, I can see PSA's desktop.
-
stpeter
BACON!
-
Dave Cridland
Yeah, I heard Bacon...
-
stpeter
what do you think aboutmoving item retrieval to the extensions spec?
-
Dave Cridland
But I wasn't really paying attention.
-
Dave Cridland
OK, I'm all in favour of moving things out of XEP-0060.
-
fritzy
so we're slimming pubsub out?
-
Dave Cridland
I'm not in favour of moving them into another kitchen sink spec.
-
fritzy
we could do a "non-recording" version of pubsub
-
fritzy
and then have a storage/retrieval extension
-
Zash
Is there a persistence feature?
-
fritzy
normally, yes... the idea might be to move that to its own extension
-
Dave Cridland
I've never been sure what "persistence" means in terms of pubsub, actually.
-
fritzy
items being retrievable
-
fritzy
beyond the initial notify message
-
Dave Cridland
fritzy, No, I don't think so. I think that's controlled by max_items, not by persistence per se.
-
Dave Cridland
SO not about node lifetime at all?
-
fritzy
sure.. but they're talking about max_items, and persistence and retrieval being on the side
-
fritzy
yeah
-
Dave Cridland
RIght, I could go along with that.
-
Zash
Right, http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub#persistent-items was the disco feature
-
Dave Cridland
FWIW, one thing I've seen from being engaged in sales calls about pubsub is that every single customer has a different set of requirements for a pubsub service, and there's too many possible variations.
-
hildjj
Everyone not in the A/V breakout, please ignore this:
-
hildjj
<message to='juliet@example.com'> <sox xmlns='urn:xmpp:sip'> INVITE sip:juliet@example.com SIP/2.0 Via: SIP/2.0/UDP soxcat.example.com;branch=z9hG4bKnashds8 Call-ID: a84b4c76e66710 CSeq: 314159 INVITE Contact: <sip:alice@pc33.atlanta.com> Content-Type: application/sdp Content-Length: 147 v=0 o=UserA 2890844526 2890844526 IN IP4 here.com s=Session SDP c=IN IP4 pc33.atlanta.com t=0 0 m=audio 49172 RTP/AVP 0 a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000 </sox> </message>
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Dave Cridland
hildjj, Tunnelling SIP inside XMPP verbatim?
-
hildjj
yes.
-
hildjj
SIP over XMPP: SoX
-
fippo
dave: you're not supposed to listen to this ;-)
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Dave Cridland
fippo, No, because it makes my brain hurt. I can (readily) go along with SDP tunelling; but throwing out Jingle entirely in favour of SIP doesn't strike me as a step forward.
-
stpeter
Dave Cridland: SDP tunneling makes some sense for various reasons, including CUSAX clients (which we'll discuss tomorrow when Emil is here)
-
Adrian Georgescu
Addressing for federated service * http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3958 * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-precis-nickname-05 * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-aggregated-service-discovery-02
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ralphm
Kev: http://storify.com/kleinmatic/brewing-fresh-coffee-on-an-airplane-as-one-does
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bear
kev: can you create an email alias for howto@xmpp.org and have that go to me, winifred and florian ?
-
Kev
Hrmph.
-
Kev
I've made it go to just you.
-
stpeter
will do :)
-
bear
*please*
- bear puts on his most innocent smile
-
Kev
Email for florian and winifred, please.
-
Kev
*Winfried
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Florian
florian@florianjensen.com
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winfried
winfried@tilanus.com
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bear
yea, I know - as soon as I pressed enter I reliazed I spelled it wrong
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bear
that's the american english way I guess
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Lance
should have done a last message correction
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Florian
Swift.im will live for another day :)
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bear
hehe - yes, now that i'm running a real client
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stpeter
Kev: I'm screwing things up, ignore my changes to aliases
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Kev
Peter - you're editing a file I'm alre...
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Kev
Right.
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fritzy
looks good Ralph, Peter
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Lance
+1 on the new organization
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stpeter
fritzy: thanks
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Lance
the spec 1 group maps very cleanly to things like redis pubsub and socket.io
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fritzy
oh yeah, defintely just spreading it out
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fritzy
oh... XEP 60.1, 60.2, 60.3
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Zash
ha
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Florian
:D
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bear
XEP 0060a
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Florian
haha
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winfried
0060bis
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Steffen Larsen
b,c,d,...
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fritzy
oh, can we reserve a block?
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fritzy
I mean, what if we need more xep 60?
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fritzy
;)
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Lance
xep L60
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fritzy
we could start naming them like cellphones
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Dave Cridland
'T'
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Kev
XEP-0060/255.255.255.0
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Zash
Hahaha
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Edwin Mons
XEP:60::1
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Dave Cridland
And add several others.
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stpeter
Kev: nice :)
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bear
sorry peter, did not realize he had started
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stpeter
bear: no worries :)
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Kev
http://howto.xmpp.org is live.
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bear
thanks kev
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stpeter
yay
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Kev
Enn Pee.
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Steffen Larsen
wuhu! :-)
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Florian
LOL
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Florian
just watch sales skyrocket now :D
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Dave Cridland
Subtle ad, there.
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Zash
Kev: You forgot the HTML5 doctype!
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winfried
kev: I should write a book myself!
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Kev
winfried: Sure, but ours should stay first in the list.
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stpeter
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-daboo-aggregated-service-discovery/
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stpeter
Abstract This specification describes how clients can discover multiple services to configure themselves with a minimum of user-provided information, as short as possible sequence of queries and with a minimum of overhead for administrators of the services.
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Zash
stpeter: It's an RFC
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stpeter
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger/
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stpeter
Zash: what is an RFC?
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Zash
I thougt it was
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stpeter
Zash: WebFinger is not an RFC yet
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stpeter
it's in Working Group Last Call right now
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Zash
or did I get that mixed up with that other similar thing
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Zash
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-simple-web-discovery-02
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Dave Cridland
The top half of this door really is interesting.
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fritzy
I.... am.... still... awake....
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Edwin Mons
Kev: +1
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Dave Cridland
Insitutional carpet. Nice.
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bear
zombie fritzy
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ralphm
fritzy: given you don't get any sleep now, couldn't you just as well come over?
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fritzy
naw, it was good that I stayed home
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Kev
But we miiiiiss youuuuu.
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ralphm
aren't you mostly useless now there?
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SimonTennant
Kev: yes (http://blog.silktide.com/2013/01/the-stupid-cookie-law-is-dead-at-last/)
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Edwin Mons
Combined Community Codec Pack <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Community_Codec_Pack>
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Zash
:D
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Zash
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-resnick-on-consensus-00 feels relevant
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fritzy
oh I do!
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bear
kev - be nice to the 4AM brain of peter
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hildjj
that was "tanstaafl" or "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
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Dave Cridland
An acronym from The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, I think. Though it could be Stranger In A Strange Land, now I think of it.
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bear
Moon is a Harsh Mistress
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Dave Cridland
Shouldn't Peter refer to "Bad Actors" as "Waiters"?
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Zash
florob: mimiking!
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fritzy
I was in that conversation
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fritzy
prosody implements everything
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bear
:)
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Zash
Implement all the things!
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fritzy
ipv6... every client is a server!
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Edwin Mons
fritzy@[5222::0123:4567:89ab:cdef]
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Zash
:D
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darkrain
Yes! who needs DNS?
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Edwin Mons
Catchy EUI64s.
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Lance
it works
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Florob
Zash, I think I might just have missed some conversation being half asleep
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Zash
Florob: Lots of peter@jabber.org
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fritzy
clap clap
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Florob
Right, some testing/experience how well confusable mappings work against that would be interesting
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darkrain
Zash, Florob: How much of that is due to 6122 (and 3920(?)) discussing cherokee versions of 'stepeter'?
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Zash
darkrain: My thougt also
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fritzy
time for me to get the kids ready for school
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fritzy
see you guys tomorrow!
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Kev
GN.
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fippo
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ivov-mmusic-trickle-ice-00
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Steffen Larsen
http://developer.cisco.com/web/jabber-developer/get-started ?
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Florob
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e-03
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m&m
that's for end-to-end
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Zash
I like DNA / DANE
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m&m
The DNA framework: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-xmpp-dna-00
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m&m
DNSSEC/DANE: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-dnssec-prooftype-03
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m&m
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-posh-prooftype-01
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Zash
This bit about if the SRV is DNSSEC-secured, allow the target name in the certificate. I have a patch for this for prosody.
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m&m
cool!