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Hi
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Steffen Larsen
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anyone knows when the summit starts out today?… (zZzzzz)
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09:30
Kev
06:40:28
Meeting for breakfast at 08:00, same as yesterday.
Steffen Larsen
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ok thanks, kev
Kev
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Enn pee.
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I'll try to get out of bed then..
Kev
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That sounds like half a good idea.
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The good half being 'bed'.
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:-)
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https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=f77fca86e01406065c&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
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?
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Zash
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Rrrrrr...rain :/
Tobias
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Zash, yeah...you promised me swedish summer whether....there was less rain in germany :P
Tobias
09:17:21
*weather
Zash
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Tobias: Yeees, so?
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fritzy: you're not missing anything yet. still lots of milling about.
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hildjj: yup, I can tell. Thanks. :) You're awesome.
fritzy
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BTW, you've gotten into my head
fritzy
09:25:10
I'll have to send you a document I'm working on
bear
09:26:39
http://piratepad.net/Y9Wfgxzies <-- I'm taking notes here
fritzy
09:27:05
muahaha... I'm the host now
fritzy
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for some reason
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Is that Webex™ URL updated in the WIki?
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09:33:26
it will be...
bear
09:35:58
wiki has been updated with webex link
hildjj
09:35:58
really, you're giving me crap about the WebEx trademark now? Do you also want to own Cisco™ ?
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stpeter: Can I smuggle a friend into the summit?
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@peter: Jonny Heavey, arriving around lunch time
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@peter: JonnyHeavey, arriving around lunch time.
hildjj
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Zash: answering for Peter. Yes. Let me know when they get here, and i'll go sign them in at the front desk.
Kev
09:37:03
hildjj™, no I think I'm ok about that.
Zash
09:37:23
Okay
Zash
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I'll be there in about the time it takes to take the metro and train etc
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Steffen Larsen
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the blog: http://blog.fanout.io/2012/10/17/standards-at-the-edge/
stpeter
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Zash: yes
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no audio?
bear
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hildjj is fixing
fritzy
10:05:20
it's ok. I think I've said what I have to say about the JSON stuff, other than I'm warming up to Joe's radical ideas.
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10:05:24
Otherwise, you guys have fun.
fritzy
10:05:38
I'm going to try to put in a full work day at the office in the morning, so I'm going to head to bed.
fritzy
10:05:58
you guys enjoy!
fritzy
10:06:12
Thanks for working so hard to let me participate yesterday!
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10:06:24
NN fritzy.
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ehlo Mr. Summit Sir.
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:)
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bear
10:58:20
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-xmpp-dna-00
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hildjj
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http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-posh-prooftype-01
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lloydwatkin
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@simon, you have to stop using the m' reference, you'v been marked (see examples) http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/So_simple,_your_mother_could_do_it
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Jef
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good day
Zash
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ohai
Jef
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:)
Jef
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webex is not working
Zash
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:(
Jef
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it says: "The meeting has been cancelled!"
Zash
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:(
Zash
12:22:54
We should try to get MattJ in there too
hildjj
12:25:47
https://github.com/quartzjer/js0n/blob/master/js0n.c
hildjj
12:27:20
Jef: https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
Jef
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yes, it works now
Jef
12:28:19
thanks
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Jef
12:37:41
audio volume is a bit low
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hi Jef, could you please mute?
stpeter
12:38:41
we'll look into the audio levels
Kev
12:38:45
(Unless you want to talk)
Jef
12:38:48
ok
Tobias
12:39:03
or type something here if you want someone to proxy your message
Jef
12:39:13
i am at work, so there is a lot of noise here
bear
12:46:52
can't we add to socket.io an xmpp transport?
bear
12:47:09
so that it becomes just another way of hooking clients together
Zash
12:47:28
if it's a common api to multiple transports, sure, why not?
Lance
12:47:28
that might work. it would map very cleanly to pubsub
Lance
12:47:56
and then we really would just implement everything on pubsub
bear
12:48:00
ye
Lance
12:56:17
https://github.com/superfeedr/xmpp-server
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th
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x
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Zash
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"Everyone needs to implement Carbons and MAM" also
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I think that MattJ wrote a protoXEP for transporting JSON in XMPP
bear
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lance - think we could move prosody into redis lua ;)
Lance
13:05:44
no
bear
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awww shucks
Zash
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what
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the
Jef
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i can't
Jef
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I guess I will have to type
bear
13:06:54
just ignore me - i was just musing about something silly zash
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13:11:02
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html
Jef
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I want to write a client
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notes that Jef has a prtotype impl in Gajim
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13:13:01
it is better if I think
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it is better if i type
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:D
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13:13:20
maybe -- we had some packet loss
Zash
13:13:30
Send out a search party.
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lol
Jef
13:14:15
if I am taking to long to respond type the question here...
Tobias
13:14:31
just type :)
Jef
13:15:02
:)
Dave Cridland
13:16:05
Skype's chatrooms have filesharing stuffs.
Dave Cridland
13:16:10
Seems quite useful.
Jef
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but the host would be the chatroom?
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darkrain
13:16:45
Dave: Brief (one/two sentence?) description of how that works?
Dave Cridland
13:16:54
I'm actually not sure. It shows a file offer from a participant, but whether it's proxied by the room or not is hard to say.
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Lance
13:17:00
here was my feedback on cleaning up the xml structures in fis: https://gist.github.com/4629838
Jef
13:17:36
Lance, we should work together
Zash
13:17:50
Not sure, but Skype was P2P-ish before. And afaik, every conversation is a chat room. Including one-to-one
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would you like to co-author?
Lance
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Jef, sure
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:)
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Zash, Yeah, I think its IM isn't very P2P.
HanzZ
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Zash: it is if I can judge that by its dbus api
darkrain
13:19:24
What in particular in the API makes you say that?
darkrain
13:19:42
("in particular" at a high-ish level)
Zash
13:20:00
I started a chat with someone at the same time he started a chat with me. Two windows popped up. (This is years ago, may have changed)
hildjj
13:21:13
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
Jef
13:21:17
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
HanzZ
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darkrain: well, it can do different things internally of course. but they just have CHAT object with id no matter how many people are there
HanzZ
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darkrain: I presume when the id is still the same, it's same also internally, but that doesn't have to be the true
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Eelco
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skype is moving away from p2p. all (or most) chat has already been moved to microsofts backend. http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/22/3529600/skype-for-windows-8-screenshots-release-date-october-26th
Jef
13:23:59
that's because p2p is harder to evesdrop conversations
stpeter
13:24:01
Eelco: yes, interesting, eh?
Zash
13:24:06
Much fun
stpeter
13:24:09
Jef: :)
Dave Cridland
13:24:57
Is it possible to share the slides on screen via Webex?
stpeter
13:25:09
working on it
Dave Cridland
13:25:10
(No ™ just for hildjj)
stpeter
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just a moment
Dave Cridland
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The video feeds really good right now, BTW.
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Eelco
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As for some easy to install XMPP service recipes (sorry for not putting this in earlier) this might be nice to look into: https://juju.ubuntu.com/ <https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/index.html>
Dave Cridland
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Oh, that's Emil in shot now?
Tobias
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Dave Cridland, right
Dave Cridland
13:28:08
And now a pot plant.
Ash
13:28:39
Just looking at the fis spec - is there a particular reason why it couldn't be a pep node?
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victor@victorklos.nl
13:28:44
easy XMPP server install also via Puppet, e.g. https://github.com/rtyler/puppet-prosody
darkrain
13:29:03
victor@victorklos.nl: Ooooo
Dave Cridland
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Thanks Zash.
Lance
13:29:23
Ash no reason, and that would be best for file change events
victor@victorklos.nl
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@darkrain yeah noticed...
Lance
13:30:13
the main thing is that it would be better done as collection nodes, because of arbitrary directory depths
Lance
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so a single node item could become too large to deal with nicely
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Victor: Have you used it? or is that you?
Victor
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I built my own puppet extension. Not really difficult btw
Victor
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(and got the alias right)
stpeter
13:34:21
emil is talking about http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ivov-xmpp-cusax/
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stpeter
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Adrian mentioned P-Asserted-Identity https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3325
stpeter
13:42:54
just FYI
stpeter
13:43:23
however, that won't work, because it is defined as follows:
A P-Asserted-Identity header field value MUST consist of exactly one
name-addr or addr-spec. There may be one or two P-Asserted-Identity
values. If there is one value, it MUST be a sip, sips, or tel URI.
If there are two values, one value MUST be a sip or sips URI and the
other MUST be a tel URI.
stpeter
13:44:32
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-daboo-aggregated-service-discovery/
stpeter
13:46:20
Jef: BTW, thanks for joining
stpeter
13:47:07
Jef: we'll ping Diana to provide some more feedback on the list so that we can improve the spec, maybe merge it with XEP-0135 based on Lance's feedback, or whatever seems most appropriate
Jef
13:47:24
no problem, I couldn't participate more because I at work
l-fy
13:47:47
Peter what should we do about XEP 0269
l-fy
13:47:56
we need to get that fixed today during the jingle disscusion
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Zash
13:52:09
To Jingle or not to Jingle :D
l-fy
13:52:41
to Jingle
Steffen Larsen
13:52:41
sip it..
l-fy
13:52:43
every single day
l-fy
13:52:48
so i can federate
l-fy
13:52:51
Federate JIngle :)
Zash
13:53:01
:D
l-fy
13:53:20
SIP builds silos because nobody will let a SIP server in the world unprotected
Zash
13:57:37
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0209.html
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stpeter
notes for CUSAX purposes that we might want to say something about using a single ID if possible
14:02:49
Dave Cridland
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I'm actually hopeful that the acct URI stuff might encourage user account identifiers to be consistent in that respect.
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Dave Cridland
14:07:16
Have the hoodie/t-shirt stores been raided, yet, BTW?
darkrain
14:07:26
Don't think so
Dave Cridland
14:07:26
Just concious that's one of the things that needs doing while in Diegem.
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Zash
14:08:22
Dave Cridland: Is your BIDI implementation fixed yet?
Dave Cridland
14:09:10
Zash, I can't actually remember what the problems are with it. It'll work, it's just not enthusiastic about using bidi connections.
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stpeter
14:18:40
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BoshIssues
stpeter
14:18:48
http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2012-October/001200.html
winfried
14:19:48
mam + carbons
winfried
14:19:57
only solve with chats
Zash
14:20:06
YES
Zash
14:20:10
MAM!
Zash
14:20:14
Carbons!
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hildjj
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mam?
m&m
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message archive management
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313
darkrain
14:24:22
136 improved
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winfried: MattJ and waqas might have useful things to say about multi tab sessions btw
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hi waqas
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waqas
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Hey stpeter
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hi waqas
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stpeter
14:38:28
note for SIP-XMPP discussion: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html
Zash
14:39:47
Carbons?
stpeter
14:40:35
yes :)
Zash
14:42:07
I almost want to go check what you are talking about
stpeter
14:44:56
Zash: it was just a side topic
Zash
14:46:13
Implement in all the clients!
stpeter
14:46:19
heh
stpeter
14:46:27
Zash: it's in Prosody, right?
Zash
14:46:33
Yes
stpeter
14:46:36
yay :)
Zash
14:46:53
http://code.google.com/p/prosody-modules/wiki/mod_carbons
Zash
14:47:27
stpeter: We lost m&m
stpeter
14:47:32
oh
Zash
14:47:33
How do we get him back?
stpeter
14:47:33
hrm
stpeter
14:47:38
he knows what to call
Zash
14:47:42
Ah, now
Zash
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nm
waqas
14:50:45
hildjj: Can you turn up the mic volume a bit in webex?
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stpeter
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are you guys starting again about WebSocket?
Zash
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Yes
Zash
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come here!
Steven Lloyd Watkin
15:57:37
Inspired by (insert-evil-word-here) talk to generate this https://github.com/lloydwatkin/xmpp-websockets-json
Zash
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Socket.io over XMPP?
Zash
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Or under
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Steven Lloyd Watkin
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essentially just socket.io with server talking to XMPP and talking to client in json
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what time do we head to fosdem?
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Lance: I do not know, but I would like to :)
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