XMPP Summit - 2013-02-01

‏ Hi

anyone knows when the summit starts out today?… (zZzzzz)

09:30

Meeting for breakfast at 08:00, same as yesterday.

ok thanks, kev

Enn pee.

I'll try to get out of bed then..

That sounds like half a good idea.

The good half being 'bed'.

:-)

https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=f77fca86e01406065c&RT=MiMxNDc%3D

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Rrrrrr...rain :/

Zash, yeah...you promised me swedish summer whether....there was less rain in germany :P

*weather

Tobias: Yeees, so?

fritzy: you're not missing anything yet. still lots of milling about.

hildjj: yup, I can tell. Thanks. :) You're awesome.

BTW, you've gotten into my head

I'll have to send you a document I'm working on

http://piratepad.net/Y9Wfgxzies <-- I'm taking notes here

muahaha... I'm the host now

for some reason

Is that Webex™ URL updated in the WIki?

it will be...

wiki has been updated with webex link

really, you're giving me crap about the WebEx trademark now? Do you also want to own Cisco™ ?

stpeter: Can I smuggle a friend into the summit?

@peter: Jonny Heavey, arriving around lunch time

@peter: JonnyHeavey, arriving around lunch time.

Zash: answering for Peter. Yes. Let me know when they get here, and i'll go sign them in at the front desk.

hildjj™, no I think I'm ok about that.

Okay

I'll be there in about the time it takes to take the metro and train etc

the blog: http://blog.fanout.io/2012/10/17/standards-at-the-edge/

Zash: yes

no audio?

hildjj is fixing

it's ok. I think I've said what I have to say about the JSON stuff, other than I'm warming up to Joe's radical ideas.

Otherwise, you guys have fun.

I'm going to try to put in a full work day at the office in the morning, so I'm going to head to bed.

you guys enjoy!

Thanks for working so hard to let me participate yesterday!

NN fritzy.

ehlo Mr. Summit Sir.

:)

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-xmpp-dna-00

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-posh-prooftype-01

@simon, you have to stop using the m' reference, you'v been marked (see examples) http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/So_simple,_your_mother_could_do_it

good day

ohai

:)

webex is not working

:(

it says: "The meeting has been cancelled!"

:(

We should try to get MattJ in there too

https://github.com/quartzjer/js0n/blob/master/js0n.c

Jef: https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D

yes, it works now

thanks

audio volume is a bit low

hi Jef, could you please mute?

we'll look into the audio levels

(Unless you want to talk)

ok

or type something here if you want someone to proxy your message

i am at work, so there is a lot of noise here

can't we add to socket.io an xmpp transport?

so that it becomes just another way of hooking clients together

if it's a common api to multiple transports, sure, why not?

that might work. it would map very cleanly to pubsub

and then we really would just implement everything on pubsub

ye

https://github.com/superfeedr/xmpp-server

th

x

"Everyone needs to implement Carbons and MAM" also

I think that MattJ wrote a protoXEP for transporting JSON in XMPP

lance - think we could move prosody into redis lua ;)

no

awww shucks

what

the

i can't

I guess I will have to type

just ignore me - i was just musing about something silly zash

http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html

I want to write a client

it is better if I think

it is better if i type

:D

maybe -- we had some packet loss

Send out a search party.

lol

if I am taking to long to respond type the question here...

just type :)

:)

Skype's chatrooms have filesharing stuffs.

Seems quite useful.

but the host would be the chatroom?

Dave: Brief (one/two sentence?) description of how that works?

I'm actually not sure. It shows a file offer from a participant, but whether it's proxied by the room or not is hard to say.

here was my feedback on cleaning up the xml structures in fis: https://gist.github.com/4629838

Lance, we should work together

Not sure, but Skype was P2P-ish before. And afaik, every conversation is a chat room. Including one-to-one

would you like to co-author?

Jef, sure

:)

Zash, Yeah, I think its IM isn't very P2P.

Zash: it is if I can judge that by its dbus api

What in particular in the API makes you say that?

("in particular" at a high-ish level)

I started a chat with someone at the same time he started a chat with me. Two windows popped up. (This is years ago, may have changed)

https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D

https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D

darkrain: well, it can do different things internally of course. but they just have CHAT object with id no matter how many people are there

darkrain: I presume when the id is still the same, it's same also internally, but that doesn't have to be the true

skype is moving away from p2p. all (or most) chat has already been moved to microsofts backend. http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/22/3529600/skype-for-windows-8-screenshots-release-date-october-26th

that's because p2p is harder to evesdrop conversations

Eelco: yes, interesting, eh?

Much fun

Jef: :)

Is it possible to share the slides on screen via Webex?

working on it

(No ™ just for hildjj)

just a moment

The video feeds really good right now, BTW.

As for some easy to install XMPP service recipes (sorry for not putting this in earlier) this might be nice to look into: https://juju.ubuntu.com/ <https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/index.html>

Oh, that's Emil in shot now?

Dave Cridland, right

And now a pot plant.

Just looking at the fis spec - is there a particular reason why it couldn't be a pep node?

easy XMPP server install also via Puppet, e.g. https://github.com/rtyler/puppet-prosody

victor@victorklos.nl: Ooooo

Thanks Zash.

Ash no reason, and that would be best for file change events

@darkrain yeah noticed...

the main thing is that it would be better done as collection nodes, because of arbitrary directory depths

so a single node item could become too large to deal with nicely

Victor: Have you used it? or is that you?

I built my own puppet extension. Not really difficult btw

(and got the alias right)

emil is talking about http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ivov-xmpp-cusax/

Adrian mentioned P-Asserted-Identity https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3325

just FYI

however, that won't work, because it is defined as follows: A P-Asserted-Identity header field value MUST consist of exactly one name-addr or addr-spec. There may be one or two P-Asserted-Identity values. If there is one value, it MUST be a sip, sips, or tel URI. If there are two values, one value MUST be a sip or sips URI and the other MUST be a tel URI.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-daboo-aggregated-service-discovery/

Jef: BTW, thanks for joining

Jef: we'll ping Diana to provide some more feedback on the list so that we can improve the spec, maybe merge it with XEP-0135 based on Lance's feedback, or whatever seems most appropriate

no problem, I couldn't participate more because I at work

Peter what should we do about XEP 0269

we need to get that fixed today during the jingle disscusion

To Jingle or not to Jingle :D

to Jingle

sip it..

every single day

so i can federate

Federate JIngle :)

:D

SIP builds silos because nobody will let a SIP server in the world unprotected

http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0209.html

I'm actually hopeful that the acct URI stuff might encourage user account identifiers to be consistent in that respect.

Have the hoodie/t-shirt stores been raided, yet, BTW?

Don't think so

Just concious that's one of the things that needs doing while in Diegem.

Dave Cridland: Is your BIDI implementation fixed yet?

Zash, I can't actually remember what the problems are with it. It'll work, it's just not enthusiastic about using bidi connections.

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BoshIssues

http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2012-October/001200.html

mam + carbons

only solve with chats

YES

MAM!

Carbons!

mam?

message archive management

313

136 improved

winfried: MattJ and waqas might have useful things to say about multi tab sessions btw

hi waqas

Hey stpeter

hi waqas

note for SIP-XMPP discussion: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html

Carbons?

yes :)

I almost want to go check what you are talking about

Zash: it was just a side topic

Implement in all the clients!

heh

Zash: it's in Prosody, right?

Yes

yay :)

http://code.google.com/p/prosody-modules/wiki/mod_carbons

stpeter: We lost m&m

oh

How do we get him back?

hrm

he knows what to call

Ah, now

nm

hildjj: Can you turn up the mic volume a bit in webex?

are you guys starting again about WebSocket?

Yes

come here!

Inspired by (insert-evil-word-here) talk to generate this https://github.com/lloydwatkin/xmpp-websockets-json

Socket.io over XMPP?

Or under

essentially just socket.io with server talking to XMPP and talking to client in json

hildjj: they must have heard us thinking about "beer" :-)

what time do we head to fosdem?

Lance: I do not know, but I would like to :)