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jabberjocke
hi any details for remote participation in the summit?
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jabberjocke
it's a bit early at the moment
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Steffen Larsen
they are like 9 hours behind, but I think that there will be a hangout, like last time
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Steffen Larsen
ironically
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Steffen Larsen
we should do a webRTC
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Steffen Larsen
;-)
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albert
And only 9 participants allowed in the hangout.
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Kev
m&m: You can't?
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m&m
now I can
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m&m
I think
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m&m
yay
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stpeter
set the topic to
Summit 14, Portland
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stpeter
http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao
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stpeter
set the topic to
Summit 14, Portland | http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao
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lloyd
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d?hl=en-GB
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winfried
Hi there!
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Zash
EHLO
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m&m
250 Hello
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lloyd
See hangout link above. Hopefully when Lance and Fritzy arrive it'll be moved to a better computer (read: not my laptop)
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m&m
hopefully better A/V equipment shows up soon
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m&m
the current speakers are faint
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lloyd
Sorry, on laptop microphone
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m&m
evidently, and I've got some idea of XMPP latency between you and here (-:
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Dave Cridland
EHLO dave.cridland.net
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Tobias
<stream:error><not-well-formed xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams'/></stream:error>
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Dave Cridland
lloyd, Where's the hangout link? I'll join on this and should be able to spin it up on the back camera, point it at Simon and stuffs.
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lloyd
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d?hl=en-GB
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winfried
thanks dave!
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m&m
the audio is slightly better, but the video is gone
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winfried
yeah, it was a short peek
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Dave Cridland
Oh, it drops video when I switch away?
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m&m
apparently
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m&m
back
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winfried
think we should stay away from a discussion on trust, but indeed on compatibility
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winfried
(do you trust verisign?)
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winfried
Hi steffen!
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winfried
See the history for the hangout link
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Steffen
Hi Winfried!
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Steffen
long time no see!
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winfried
yeah!
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winfried
too many projects still on the shelves :-P
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Steffen
winfried: all well? Haven't seen you online for some time.. but that might just be the projects. :-)
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winfried
my presence had been a bit erratic, yes
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Steffen
:-)
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winfried
not cooperating much online right now, so I get a bit sloppy with my IM clients...
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Steffen
why not using webRTC and XMPP instead of hangout?.. just such a paradox. :-)
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winfried
would love to testdrive it...
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fippo
steffen: because multiuser is hard with webrtc
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Tobias
fippo, still full mesh-only?
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Steffen
ohh I see
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Steffen
p2p...
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fippo
tobias: unless you want to pay a silo for providing MCU services ;-)
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Steffen
fippo: we can do it like skype did it.. auch
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Steffen
ha ha yes
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Tobias
fippo, can't we throw jingle nodes at that problem ^^
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Tobias
just use one of your powerful contacts as MCU
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fippo
that is something we might try soonish
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Tobias
but yeah...with video, each participant takes an even bigger chunk out of your bandwidth
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Steffen
fippo: otherwise it looked cool at the realtimeconf.. was it you that lance was conencting to?
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fippo
steffen: yes, that was me
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Steffen
fippo: just saw the video
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fippo
https://github.com/legastero/jingle-interop-demos -- check those against your favorite xmppserver
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winfried
btw: can I view a video of that presentation somewhere?
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fippo
winfried: http://vimeo.com/77289728
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winfried
thanks!
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Steffen
had some problems with the andyet impl.. (talky.io) in chrome
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m&m
we lost the feed
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MattJ
Dave just noticed
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Steffen
and my browser died...
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Steffen
yawn
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m&m
he's horrible at A/V Club (-:
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m&m
who hired that loser (-:
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Steffen
:-)
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MattJ
Was it a hangout? or talky.io?
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m&m
ralphm: no audio
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ralphm
oh, I thought somebody would send audio
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ralphm
reenabling
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m&m
audio is back
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winfried
yes
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ralphm
better?
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winfried
yes
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m&m
yes
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Dave Cridland
Sorry, I'll reconnect.
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Dave Cridland
Only me talking, so uninteresting. :-)
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m&m
TOO MUCH AUDIO!
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Steffen
auuch stop that noise
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darkrain
echooooooooooooooooo
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winfried
certainly unintresting ;-)
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m&m
yeah
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m&m
two active mics + one room - mixer == BAD
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jabberjocke
how to connect to the hangout ?
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m&m
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d?hl=en-GB
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Tobias
ah..posh talk :)
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winfried
lost audio
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Steffen
me too
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ralphm
m&m muted me
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m&m
sorry!
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Steffen
audio back
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Steffen
thanks
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m&m
I hit the wrong button
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Steffen
ha ha
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m&m
then it wouldn't let me unmute /-:
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winfried
we could turn the xmpp server network in some kind of onion routing
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winfried
think about it, much of the infrastructure is already there...
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m&m
and then you could involve clients, if they're willing to suffer through any bandwidth increases
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m&m
which could be interesting
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winfried
definitely
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Zash
proxy65 over proxy65??
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Tobias
Zash, want to beat WebRTC in crazy protocol layering?
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Zash
Tobias: Multiple layers of prox65 is not nearly crazy enough to even compete with WebRTC
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Dave Cridland
I see Ralph's figured out captions. :-)
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winfried
pretty neat yes
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Steffen
more of those
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Dave Cridland
Ralph's now quitting XMPP and going into TV news.
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ralphm
:-)
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Steffen
ha ha.. ralph the producer
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m&m
he is a superior cameraman than the previous loser (-:
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Steffen
:-)
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Dave Cridland
m&m, That from someone who accidentally muted the feed...
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m&m
I blame the tooling
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m&m
dropping … if the sec or BOSH stuff starts back, could someone ping me? gracias
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winfried
ok
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Steffen
wow stpeter got a new non-mac laptop
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Steffen
or is it my eyes
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ralphm
yeah, it is a System 76
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Steffen
nice
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winfried
linux...
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Steffen
can it run OSX? ;-)
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Steffen
it seems like we are not web devs.. ;-)
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Zash
Does it run XTerm?
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Steffen
good idea Simon,. I agree
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Steffen
on the front page and put simple
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winfried
Better describe what you can do with XMPP
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ralphm
http://web.archive.org/web/20090207135716/http://xmpp.org/ is what we had before
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Steffen
or a video.. like amqp has: http://www.amqp.org/video
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Steffen
m2m
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winfried
military2military?
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Steffen
:-)
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winfried
but indeed: give an idea about what can be done with it, give examples of applications, its strongs
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Tobias
yup...sounds good
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Steffen
yeah. I've done satellite com, TV presence, second screen.. but not that much chat.. and people does not know that.
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Steffen
use XMPP because of routing, security and federation
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Steffen
:-)
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winfried
And a great ecosystem containing a lot of building blocks
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Steffen
exactly
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Steffen
amqp impl.. :http://www.rabbitmq.com/
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winfried
ralphm: we all want the tutorials, whitepapers etc, but none of us takes the time to write them.... I feel the real problem is in there...
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Steffen
and they got good tutorials
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jabberjocke
http://www.rabbitmq.com/getstarted.html
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Steffen
I like the way that the tutorials are organized..
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winfried
yeah, that is nice
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ralphm
winfried: I thought I said exactly that
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winfried
well... living in two worlds right now,might be missing some points...
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ralphm
winfried: I frown upon your dedication to this summit :-D
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Steffen
the tutorials are organised after patterns.. I like that. If we could do that.. but it might be hard, because of our genral purpose protocol
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ralphm
Steffen: right
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winfried
:-D
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ralphm
Steffen: but to explain something like pubsub (only) it is pretty good
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jabberjocke
We have the wiki I started to do this for IoT on http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems
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Steffen
I've started to use rabbitmq for half a year ago.. and I'm almost an expert now.. It took me several years with XMPP ... :-)
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Steffen
jabberjocke: cool
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Steffen
I've started a white paper about large scale xmpp..
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Steffen
ralphm: yes. So we could dig out some genral patterns.. for routing
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Steffen
ralphm: pub/sub, direct presence, etc.
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jabberjocke
steffen: thats intresting, large in klients or large in nr of domains
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Steffen
jabberjocke: large in clients :-)
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Steffen
jabberjocke: but they do stick a bit together
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jabberjocke
steffen: the IoT challenge is the management of large number of clients in each domain that need to interact with each other
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jabberjocke
over the domainborders
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Steffen
he he yes
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jabberjocke
and I don't know if thats ever possible with rabbitmq
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Steffen
you can do routing and filters
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Steffen
of course pub/sub, topics etc. but to compare that with XMPP would'nt be fair. :-)
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jabberjocke
it's all about access to the server.
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jabberjocke
xmpp is all from the klients
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Steffen
yes
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jabberjocke
we can have another session on this :)
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Steffen
jabberjocke: sure :-)
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Steffen
does anybody know if this video session is being recorded?.. because I won't stay up all night.
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Tobias
g2g...have fun
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winfried
cu
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Steffen
cheers Tobias
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jabberjocke
well have good lunch
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winfried
have a nice meal!
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jabberjocke
9pm in Uppsala
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jabberjocke
another coffe I would say
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winfried
already had dinner here ;-)
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winfried
I want to see you guys eating :-D
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winfried
looks plenary right now
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winfried
but I feel muted...
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jabberjocke
thanks for the sound
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ralphm
we're really in recess, though
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m&m
Bear's beard looks even more impressive
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m&m
if that is even possible
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Zash
Pix or it never happend
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m&m
audio drop
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m&m
and it's back
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m&m
audio drop
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ralphm
I blame google
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jabberjocke
please take some photos to update http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/
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Zash
I hear nothing at all!
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Zash
All Googles fault
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m&m
yea
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m&m
but not now
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jabberjocke
yupp
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jabberjocke
not now
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m&m
now
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m&m
video froze
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ralphm
is this better?
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winfried
no
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m&m
and no audio
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ralphm
I switched audio to the laptop's
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ralphm
weird
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m&m
what browser?
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winfried
the audio sometimes seemed to clip
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winfried
but now it totally gone
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winfried
better like this
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winfried
(at least for me)
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m&m
/nod
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ralphm
cool
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Steffen
jabberjocke: I still have some pics that I need to upload
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winfried
lost audio
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Steffen
jabberjocke: some from portland a couple of years ago and from europe last year
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ralphm
it mutes me when I type
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m&m
ah
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m&m
keyboard detection
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jabberjocke
the wordpress wouldn't upload them
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jabberjocke
issue with directory access rights
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ralphm
hey Ashley Ward
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Ashley Ward
Hello!
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winfried
hi!
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Ashley Ward
What's the current subject? Jingle/WebRTC?
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ralphm
Lunch
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Ashley Ward
Yum!
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ralphm
but yeah, jingle seems to be a topic
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m&m
/sigh
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m&m
//sigh
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jabberjocke
agree
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Ashley Ward
Node should suit an xmpp server pretty well
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jabberjocke
started viewing syslogs insteas
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m&m
ralphm: when you get a chance, I would greatly appreciate you turning off that Google Effects background
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Ashley Ward
Is that your little girl, winfried?
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winfried
Yes she is my oldest one
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winfried
(10 years)
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Ashley Ward
No doubt amused by the geeks!
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winfried
have a 6years old too
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winfried
definitely
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Ashley Ward
:)
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winfried
but she is quite geeky too
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winfried
did some testing with her and she managed to freak out a chatapplication a web builder had been working on for 2 years within 5 minutes
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winfried
:-D
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Ashley Ward
Excellent - training her well. My 20 month old loves computers too.
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winfried
yeah... still have the first text she wrote on the keyboard
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Ashley Ward
Same here!
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Steffen
ha ha cool
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Steffen
printf("Hello World") ?
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winfried
LOL
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Ashley Ward
10 PRINT "Emilia is great. ";
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Ashley Ward
20 GOTO 10
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Steffen
ha ha
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Steffen
my first basic on c64
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Steffen
well.. prob. not the Emilia part. ;-)
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Ashley Ward
:)
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jabberjocke
I did that on a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_80
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Steffen
and on a spectrum.. those were the days
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jabberjocke
no colors
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Steffen
mono.. luv it
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Ashley Ward
I started on a Commodore 16.
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winfried
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_P2000
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Steffen
ohh yes. that black box
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winfried
Spent lots of hours on a model III
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Steffen
yes. I've started on VIC20 and later c64
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winfried
oh, yeah the vic20
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Steffen
made demos and stuff.. when it was more barebone and fun. :-)
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Steffen
great computer
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jabberjocke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_TI-99/4A had sprites
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Steffen
wow
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Steffen
never tried that one
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winfried
nope
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jabberjocke
my first saved for ages
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Steffen
how about doing an XMPP server on c64.. could be fun
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ralphm
I had an Philips MSX 1 and later an MSX 2
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winfried
ah yeah MSX!
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jabberjocke
could we get ralphm to turn that background off now
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Steffen
MSX
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Ashley Ward
http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html
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winfried
thanks
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Ashley Ward
Has a TCP/IP stack and everything
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Steffen
nice
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jabberjocke
cool
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winfried
can somebody take notes on the piratepad?
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winfried
helps me a lot
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Zash
+1
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Steffen
+1
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Steffen
the sound is not that good
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ralphm
Hmm :-(
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m&m
For the uninitiated: http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao
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Zash
Re this > - authentication downgrades (SCRAM to PLAIN) what if you put the list of available SASL mechs into a TXT field? (with DNSSEC)
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ralphm
set the topic to
Summit 14, Portland | http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d
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Dave Cridland
Zash, You could, but really you'll get that post-TLS anyway.
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Dave Cridland
Zash, The problem is a subverted server that forces you to PLAIN to harvest passwords. The solution is that clients shouldn't switch *back* to a weaker auth without user intervention.
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Zash
Ah
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Dave Cridland
Of course, that assumes a linear ordering of SASL mechs. :-)
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m&m
no
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m&m
that doesn't help (-:
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Ashley Ward
I can read about 50% of it
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Dave Cridland
Now it looks like the Blair Witch Project.
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Ashley Ward
:)
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ralphm
I blame stpeter's handwriting
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m&m
you need an HD camera, and we all need be connected with HD to have a shot
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Zash
Wat
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ralphm
I think this is an HD camera
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Ashley Ward
I can actually read it okay
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Dave Cridland
There are parts I can't read from here anyway.
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winfried
my laptop screen is too small
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Ashley Ward
You're there aren't you Dave?
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Dave Cridland
Right.
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Ashley Ward
Do we need to invest in some special XSF glasses for you?
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m&m
maybe that'll be his first act on the next Board
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Ashley Ward
:)
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m&m
"Get Dave Glasses" (-:
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Ashley Ward
I mean, I'm 4,900 miles away and I can just about read it.
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winfried
where did you buy your glasses...
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ralphm
XEP-0259
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Steffen
blair witch prject 2
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Steffen
project
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bear
the work on carbons is just cleanup - making the errors make sense
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bear
making the text a little bit more understandable
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bear
if there is anything else he will take requests
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bear
he saw that kim had posted something about wanting to switch over to this flag thing put together
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bear
rather not delay carbons or get another dependency
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jabberjocke
Could "attachments" be enabled on the pirate pad?
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Steffen
yes
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Steffen
see the clip icon
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jabberjocke
can't upload
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lloyd
https://github.com/ashward/buddycloud-xep
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bear
(ash) I started drafting a xep around a kind of informal xep they had for buddycloud but it still needs a lot of work to finish
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bear
(ash) it's sitting in his personal github cloud and needs a lot of work to finish
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bear
20 min break
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winfried
I will!
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Ashley Ward
Wife's just got back from Yoga, so 20 minute break is well timed :)
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jabberjocke
yea right it's -3C outside and pitchdark
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Lance
http://gowebrtc.me/demo.html#xsfsummit
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Lance
http://gowebrtc.me/demo.html#tmc8n53d
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m&m
I got the camera/mic request for both, but all I see is myself
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m&m
I think it's my local network
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Zash
erm
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Zash
what have you done?
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m&m
it could be worse
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Zash
I can't close the gowebrtc tabs
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Zash
fun
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fippo
we're having an interesting network in here
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m&m
can you combine the devil horns and angel halo?
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Zash
ARE THERE SILLY HATS?
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winfried
HATS?
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Zash
HATS!
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Steffen
ha ha ha
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Steffen
beware of black hats
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Steffen
;-)
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Zash
http://www.stupidgifs.com/images/full/352.gif
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Ashley Ward
Edwin's stroking his cat like a Bond villain...
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intosi
I have yet to perfect my evil laughter
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m&m
great marketing
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intosi
If only there was an open protocol that we could extend to have great conference capabilities with video and such...
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Ashley Ward
I really fancy a coca-cola now...
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Dave Cridland
And now for close-ups of Bear and PSA's backsides.
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Ashley Ward
No comment
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m&m
bear's back
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jabberjocke
anyone knows what zoom.us <http://zoom.us> is doing
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waqas
http://waqas.im/summit/reveal.js-master/ <http://waqas.im/summit/reveal.js-master/#/>
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bear
http://waqas.im/summit/reveal.js-master/#/
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Dave Cridland
OK, everyone ready with the slides?
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bear
click
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Dave Cridland
Slide: Rich Web Applications
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m&m
for future note: slide numbers are worthwhile
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Dave Cridland
Slide: Malicious Content
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Dave Cridland
Slide: Javascript
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m&m
mute click
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Steffen
if there are slides. is it possible to them
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Dave Cridland
Steffan: URI above.
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Steffen
ahh got it.. thanks dave
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Dave Cridland
Slide: CSS
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Steffen
I am on and off.. so I miss some stuff
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Dave Cridland
Slide: This requires rich content?
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Dave Cridland
Slide: So what's the fix?
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Steffen
why do we not make it XMPP "compatible".. and then share it by a room.. then waqas could click and we other could just view. :-)
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Dave Cridland
Slide: Templates!
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Slide: Templates: How they work
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Slide: Templates: Be aware
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Slide: (same title)
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Slide: Sandboxing
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Slide: Sandboxing : Support
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Slide: Sandboxing: Internet Explorer
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Slide: Sandboxing
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Slide: Rich Content
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Slide: Attacking XHTML-IM
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Slide: "" : URLS
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Slide: (same title)
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Slide: Attacking XMHTML-IM: Tags and attributes
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Slide: Attacking XHTML-IM: CSS
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Slide: CSS Sanitization: Values
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Slide: XHTML-IM.JS
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Slide: Don't Trust The Data
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Slide: Lessons...
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Slide: Lessons... (again)
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Slide: And we're done!
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m&m
source for xhtml-im.js? (and license?)
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Get that?
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intosi
No
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m&m
I did not get the license
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intosi
Not the license lbit
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MIT
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intosi
Ah, gr8
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stpeter
MIT license
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m&m
graze
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And will be on github
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And now everyone's talking at once.
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intosi
We noticed ;)
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m&m
you need a speaking stick
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intosi
I'm about to get my cat and practice the evil laughter.
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Ashley Ward
This is actually a pretty useful presentation for web dev in general
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intosi
Indeed.
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lloyd
Yeah, lots of the issues apply outside of xmpp/bosh usage
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Ashley Ward
And the number of devs that get it wrong is incredible.
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lloyd
Yup.
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winfried
I did ;-)
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Ashley Ward
XHTML-IM security?
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winfried
BOSH/Websockets/XMPP creates another attack vector, vulnerable to this
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Ashley Ward
Might be worth renaming the presentation as there may be people who think "I don't use BOSH, that's not for me", and yet it may well be useful for them.
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m&m
precisely
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winfried
yep
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winfried
Would it be an idea to do a fast roundup on XMPP on the web developments
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stpeter
Lance is chatting about stanza.io and xmpp-ftw
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bear
xmpp over websockets draft has been adopted by the working grouop
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bear
there are two open issues left
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bear
one is if there is an error and you need to send the client over to a uri
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bear
the other issue is because in the browser we don't have a streaming parser should we have different flags to identify when the stream start/ends - lance feels that it's just fine as it is because the code that wraps it is a very thin item
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bear
the additions to the last bosh rfc have not been applied yet and that should be picked up by the next council
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Lance
http://github.com/legastero/stanza.io
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Lance
http://github.com/lloydwatkin/xmpp-ftw
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bear
xmpp-ftw doesn't require you to give it a web socket, it will accept any socket or transport connection
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hey guys, I have a similar topic talk, btw :)
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lloyd
https://xmpp-ftw.jit.su is probably the best place to look
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bear
the work being done for HTTP2 should be able to upgrade clean if we target websocket
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lloyd
If anyone would like "live" demos I'm sure we could do these too during the summit
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Ashley Ward
We've lost the summit!
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bear
they are trying to find his talk
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jabberjocke
work fine
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ralphm
http://jrudevels.org/Trash/presentation.pdf
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Steffen
well guys, I am off to bed. Have fun and see you later tomorrow
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'night Steffen
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stpeter
bye Steffen
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intosi
nn
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Steffen
night night
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m&m
ciao
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bear
many many clicks on this one
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Slide: whoami --verbose
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Slide: Why another library?
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Slide: Problems
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Slide: What can we do?
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Slide: Simple Example
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Slide: Possible Mapping
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Slide: Twilix Message
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Slide: (same title)
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(There's a lot of unfolding ofthe slide I'm not indicating, by the way)
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Slide: Twilix Message
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Slide: JSLiX Analogue
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Slide: Data Validation
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Slide: XML Fields
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winfried
BTW: I can't see Sergeys head... he is quite a mystery like this ;-)
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Slide: Queries
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Slide: Dispatcher
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Camera better? Doing it blind.
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intosi
Yes
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Slide: Dispatcher again. (no title though)
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intosi
A slight adjustment to the left perhaps.
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intosi
Yay!
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winfried
perfect, thanks!
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Ace.
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Slide: Dispatcher, no title.
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We should definitely do a XEP for slide coordination.
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Can you guys see the slide on-screen, by the way?
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intosi
<click xmlns="blah"/>
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fippo
dave: i think there is an old H. standard fo rthis...
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intosi
See, but not read.
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winfried
yep
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Slide: Dispatcher. "Despite the fact XMPP [...]"
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intosi
Well, with a bit of imagination, you can probably understand what it says.
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Enough to identify? As in, is what I'm doing still useful?
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intosi
It's very useful.
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intosi
It's definitely enough to identify.
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Damn, I was hoping to get out of the typing. :-)
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intosi
And if you have the PDF, you can then make out what the blurry text was supposed to be even without going back to the PDF.
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intosi
Get a better camera.
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m&m
heh
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intosi
We need Retina cameras ;)
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m&m
that was suggested earlier
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lloyd
Retina cameras == eyes?
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It's RalphM's camera. Seems quite good, but I suspect the bandwidth has lowered the quality.
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intosi
With actual retinas inside them.
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Slide: "Or in the case of handler"
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m&m
we need HD-4K
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Ashley Ward
I don't think the conference centre has retina bandwidth
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bear
yea, he is using a nice logitech external camera
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I'm using a telepresence solution powered by KLM.
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Slide: Table thing.
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m&m
hehe
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intosi
The Dutch airline?
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Ashley Ward
:)
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Zash
The table is sliding?
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Ah. Slide: "Is it used anywhere now"
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Sorry. Distracted.
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Zash
What slides now?
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intosi
same slide still
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bear
last part of "Current State" slide
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'Is it used anywhere now?'
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intosi
SVP Implementation exmpl
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Slide: "Comparing Examples", "Software Bersion Protocol Implementation example"
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Erm. "Version".
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Zash
Ah, still Sergey
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Slide: (same title) "Then we'll need a method"
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Slide: "Now let's define the method to query" ...
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Slide: "as we can see the method"...
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Slide: "Finally we should define handlers"
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Slide: Counter-example PyXMPP2
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Slides are going thing and fast, sorry.
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JSLiX vs XMPP-FTW currently.
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jTalk crashed, sorry
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Now on "Just an idea", from JSON-XMPP section
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intosi
what slide are we on?
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And we're done.
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sergey.dobrov
http://jrudevels.org/Trash/presentation.pdf
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m&m
I'm going to drop for the day, try to catch all of you tomorrow
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winfried
whats next? I couldn't follow it...
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lloyd
we're discussing
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Justin is suggesting talking about service delegation
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lloyd
Quick break
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winfried
musical break
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Zash
sleep break
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intosi
Remind me not to let Ralph steer the rocket ship that will evacuate us from earth when we have to leave.
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ralphm
http://play.brokt.com/~fritzy/lander/
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intosi
Yes…. Much better.
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intosi
Can you turn the camera around,plz?
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intosi
ta
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intosi
grrr
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ralphm
hi Wilson
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intosi
:D
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In all this, I have this mental picture of Matthew Wild - Secret Agent - moving through the mean streets in disguise.
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ralphm
Yesterday, he was lost in the woods
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sergey.dobrov
I have met him near the zoo yesterday, maybe he was doing some offering sacrifices?
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intosi
I can't believe it's not XMPP!
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winfried
XMPWHAPP!
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I'm thinking that jTalk is pretty battery intensive - I'm actually out of battery.
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sergey.dobrov
it also was pretty buggy when I was using it so I've returned to Xabber
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Tobias
right..jtalk crashes on anything MUC related
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ralphm
for some reason I get random disconnects with Xabber
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ralphm
because of invalid XML
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ralphm
still not sure where from
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sergey.dobrov
hm, I remember the times when clients were disconnecting because of XML namespace prefixes
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intosi
Weird. Invalid XML, or invalid UTF-8?
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ralphm
not sure
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ralphm
still haven't found it
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sergey.dobrov
but xabber works pretty fine for me except of lacking functionality
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Ash
+1
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bear
exciting stuff - truly
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intosi
Give Ralph some hats.
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bear
:)
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intosi
Interesting as the discussion is (no sarcasm intended), I'm afraid I have to leave for bed soon. Keeping my eyes open is becoming harder ;)
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bear
have a good sleep
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intosi
Ta.
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winfried
good night!
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Lance
XMPP Standards Foundation and XMPP Services Foundation :p
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bear
:P
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winfried
+1
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Simon
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r-zJqpuHYsWsqtnmrWQo_pXXPRcK-mbiazG-GwuBNj4/edit?usp=sharing
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Simon
current page structure
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bear
thanks
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