XMPP Summit - 2018-01-31

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08:03:39 SaltyBones where can I find the program again?
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08:08:52 intosi https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_22 IIRC
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08:11:43 SaltyBones Hm...we should decide on a time at which we meet at some point. :)
08:14:01 mathieui it has been notified on list, at least
08:14:43 SouL SaltyBones, check this out https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2018-January/001882.html
08:16:51 SaltyBones ah, thank you
08:19:45 intosi I have updated the wiki page as well.
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08:53:31 SamWhited Thon EU is fancier than the central location… I am excited to have a red duck this time.
08:53:57 intosi Excellent!
08:54:08 SouL Red duck?
08:54:28 intosi Your coding efficiency will be record high with an actual rubber duck.
08:54:34 Guus Don't spoil the surprise!!
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08:55:34 SamWhited Guus: I was going to take a picture, but Conversations doesn't support 0382 so I guess I'll wait…
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08:56:07 SamWhited SouL: you'll see… (if you did the group reservation)
08:56:43 SamWhited intosi: I still haven't finished my slides, so I will make good use of it.
08:57:14 intosi Good, good.
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09:23:16 SaltyBones I think I have managed to move all my meetings and might actually be there tomorrow.
09:23:36 SaltyBones I'm not sure why, but I find that surprising. :)
09:26:14 Guus awesome, good to have you there!
09:40:52 SouL SamWhited [09:55]: > Guus: I was going to take a picture, but Conversations doesn't support 0382 so I guess I'll wait… It has been always in my plans, I hope soon take a look at the code again
09:41:09 SamWhited excellent!
09:43:44 SaltyBones Can't 0382 functionality be emulated by posting a link?
09:44:25 SouL SaltyBones, the idea is that clients that have inline image display, could hide that, for instance
09:44:36 SouL Some clients parse the link and download the image to display it
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10:00:09 SamWhited Does anyone know off the top of their head if ING will change money if you're not a customer (I was so sad they sold their U.S. branch, now my bank doesn't work in Europe anymore :( )
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10:00:23 Guus As time is running out (apologies for the delay), I'm cross-posting this invitation for _you_ to attend the XSF Dinner 2018 in a couple of places. Please help me spread the word! If you're interested in joining us, please RSVP by fill out a short form at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 but do so today!
10:00:59 SamWhited Guus: what day is the dinner? The form doesn't say.
10:01:41 SouL SamWhited, in Thursday
10:01:44 SouL I would say?
10:02:00 Guus Thursday, yes
10:02:21 SamWhited ooh, this is the place that had really good Escargot; excellent!
10:02:50 Guus I have now added the date to the form, thanks Sam
10:03:02 SouL on Thursday, not in Thursday... My english.. Hah :D
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10:14:14 SouL Form filled
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10:24:49 SouL Guus, could you check if you received my form? It's just that I haven't got any email back. If you can't right now (I understand, I'm hurrying myself) don't worry.
10:27:19 Guus SouL: you'll have the roast chicken, amongst others.
10:30:05 mathieui Guus, dinner choices are hard :(
10:31:01 Guus mathieui: I like to challenge you. :)
10:32:36 jonasw I’m hungry, that’s not fair
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10:33:05 mathieui that too
10:35:08 SouL Guus, haha, great!
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10:35:36 SouL Yeah it's hard, since it's my first time I picked chicken, there are usually no surprises with chicken xD
10:35:51 mathieui surprises in fancy restaurants are usually good
10:36:10 mathieui except that one time in the US where all we’ve got was $80 fried chicken
10:38:16 jonasw mathieui, mh, I’m sceptical
10:38:23 jonasw but I’m also not attending, so I’ll shut up :)
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10:43:29 vanitasvitae Had to google translate most of the menu :D
10:44:16 Guus I've provided french, english and dutch translations of the menu! That wasn't enough?!
10:44:59 vanitasvitae :D I ddidnt know what "escargots" were. Now I know 😖
10:45:04 intosi All of the menu? No, not all. Had to google Brésilienne :)
10:45:19 Guus thatś the one that I didn find with certainty :)
10:45:32 intosi Heh
10:45:41 vanitasvitae Is it normal that the submit button has no visual feedback?
10:47:33 Guus dunno?
10:47:54 intosi It gave feedback to me.
10:48:14 intosi New page confirming I had submitted the form, and a link to edit my response.
10:48:42 vanitasvitae Guus did you receive my choice?
10:48:58 Guus vanitasvitae: no.
10:49:14 Guus did you miss a required question somehwere?
10:51:09 vanitasvitae Ah chrome did the trick
10:51:42 alameyo submitted
10:51:54 Guus srly? you need a specific browser to fill out a form? wow.
10:52:08 alameyo I have done it from firefox
10:53:27 alameyo did you tried Lynx or smth like that?
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10:55:45 ralphm Dame Blanche going strong
10:55:56 SaltyBones Everybody likes Dame Blanche. :p
10:57:11 SaltyBones soul, the reasoning in 0382 is correct but between providing the interface for sending such spoilers and the possibility for clients to ignore them just like they might preload links it seems like a dubious feature. :)
10:58:40 SamWhited I love walking in places where the signs aren't in English and no one speaks it, saying a random thing on the menu, answering yes to any questions and then seeing what comes out, so no translations necessary as far as I'm concerned :)
11:05:24 ralphm Preferably with non-latin scripts?
11:08:51 soul SaltyBones: will read you later, I'm soaked and my luggage too, argh
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11:12:21 SamWhited ralphm: indeed, that's even better!
11:17:46 Link Mauve Aaah, I’m late for my train! >_<
11:17:56 Link Mauve I hope nothing will happen on the way.
11:18:01 Link Mauve See you later. \o_
11:18:10 intosi Safe travels!
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11:39:21 Guus Dinner update: I've just been in contact with the restaurant. If people would like to have a vegetarian dinner, that'll be possible. Some of the menu items are vegetarian (or will be slightly modified to be vegetarian). For a main course, there can be a pasta. If you're interested in a vegatarian option, please add that as a comment to the form (and tell the waiter tomorrow, when ordering)
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12:14:34 SaltyBones soul, welcome to belgium
12:16:44 soul SaltyBones: haha, I'm still in Copenhagen, It was raining on my way to the airport.
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12:21:41 SaltyBones soul, okay, then the current light drizzle might even be an improvement. ;)
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13:18:41 Link Mauve I managed to catch my train, in extremis!
13:20:03 Guus You make it sound as if you were standing next to the tracks, with a baseball-glove on, and stopped the train while it was passing you.
13:20:37 Guus but, good for you :)
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13:24:06 Link Mauve Oh, it doesn’t also have the meaning of “just on time” in English?
13:24:24 SamWhited It does; glad you caught it! See you soon!
13:24:57 Guus link Mauve: yes it does, but I like to make silly puns
13:24:59 Link Mauve I don’t have anything planned for the afternoon, does anyone want to walk around and talk afterwards?
13:25:37 Link Mauve I’m arriving in Zuid at 3:47pm.
13:27:08 SamWhited Link Mauve: I'll be around and will hopefully have finished my slides by then; it's a bit drizzly, but I'm game to walk around.
13:28:52 Link Mauve Ok!
13:30:29 soul I'm landing at 16:45 and from the airport to the Hotel. It's my first time there so I have no idea how much it will take for me.
13:31:17 Guus weather warning: it'll be cold and miserable in Brussels until saterday/sunday (after that, it'll only be cold).
13:31:44 SamWhited soul: it doesn't take very long; I caught a train to Bru-Central and then just walked from there (though you can also swap to the metro and take it right to the Hotel if you want to avoid the rain)
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13:42:32 soul SamWhited: is it better to go to Bruxelles-Schuman? Is all I kept in my mind from what Guus said.
13:43:09 SamWhited soul: yes, if there's a train that goes there
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13:44:17 SamWhited I don't think any of the ones I saw stopped there, but maybe I just had bad timing
13:44:45 mathieui Link Mauve, don’t forget to tell me where I sleep tonight, at some point
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13:45:00 soul mathieui: so brave :)
13:46:07 soul SamWhited: ah ok, I see. Thanks, will try to check before boarding.
13:52:34 Link Mauve mathieui, ah right, I need to figure it out.
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14:19:10 Guus Reminder: As time is running out (apologies for the delay), I'm cross-posting this invitation for _you_ to attend the XSF Dinner 2018 in a couple of places. Please help me spread the word! If you're interested in joining us, please RSVP by fill out a short form at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 but do so today!
14:19:47 Guus (about half of the summit attendees have filled out the form)
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14:22:54 soul Good
14:23:45 soul Our airplane is waiting for the pilot
14:24:09 soul 20 minutes for now
14:24:25 jonasw that sounds very reassuring
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14:27:57 Guus I think it is a good thing that they wait for a pilot, before leaving.
14:32:39 soul Guus: haha, you are extra funny today :D
14:32:48 soul Well, he is here finally
14:33:08 intosi Did you proceed to offload his luggage?
14:33:31 Link Mauve SamWhited, I’m arriving, where do you want to meet?
14:33:46 intosi May I suggest Poechenellekelder? ;)
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14:34:57 intosi (for you guys, I will not be in Brussels until tomorrow)
14:36:40 Link Mauve 21 minutes by feet from the train station, wfm!
14:37:19 intosi See Manneken Pis, have a selection of beers :)
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14:50:39 Link Mauve SamWhited, ping?
14:52:17 Link Mauve I won’t have Internet anymore once I leave.
14:53:32 Guus I've tried pinging Sam for you in private - no response yet.
14:54:17 Link Mauve The wifi in Zuid is weird, they allow for two minutes of connection if I don’t give my email address, after which I have to change my MAC address. ^^'
14:55:24 Guus two minutes? just long enough to check for the train schedule, I guess? :)
14:56:13 Guus If you want to go to the hotel by metro: Maalbeek metro station is closest by
14:56:56 Guus Brussel-Schuman is just one stop further, but is a station for both train as well as metro.
14:57:17 Link Mauve To check for the email they sent me. ^^
14:57:17 Guus (assuming that you're staying in Thon EU)
14:57:44 Link Mauve (I’m not sure where I’m staying, but I didn’t book any hotel (yet?).)
14:58:11 Guus Sam might have figured out that Brussels is the chocolate capitol of the world... in which case I doubt if we hear back from him anytime soon ;)
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14:58:41 Link Mauve (It was originally planned to be at a friend’s place, but he moved outside of Brussels since then.)
14:59:01 Guus Link Mauve: ok, let me know if I can be of help
15:13:56 Link Mauve I sent a few calls for help during the train, I hope some will answer. ^^'
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15:36:10 SamWhited Link Mauve: oops, sorry, I dozed off
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15:40:36 Link Mauve SamWhited, still want to meet somewhere? :)
15:41:15 SamWhited sure, are you near the hotel at all?
15:41:53 Link Mauve No, I’m still at Zuid.
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15:58:16 Guus monar, Hantu.sc, bg, Dwisnewski, Holger, MattJ (and Ethan), michalwski: if you want to join us at dinner tomorrow, please RSVP at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 - do so today please!
15:58:45 Guus (as well as anyone else that feels like joining)
15:58:48 intosi You realise some are not in this room, I hope :)
16:03:16 Guus Yeah, I just compiled and copy/pasted that set of usernames by hand
16:22:13 Link Mauve SamWhited, found anything? :)
16:22:23 Link Mauve Otherwise I suggest going where intosi suggested.
16:23:42 SamWhited Link Mauve: that sounds good to me, I remember liking that place
16:23:57 Link Mauve Ok, I’ll be there in about 20 minutes!
16:24:25 SamWhited I'll start walking that way, I should be there in 20–25
16:25:11 SamWhited I won't have cell service, but I'll try to find some wifi if I can't find you.
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16:46:37 jonasw good luck finding a place, Link Mauve
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17:36:03 soul SamWhited, Link Mauve: where are you guys?
17:36:19 soul I'm with jcbrand, maybe we can join?
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17:41:29 Guus soul: I think neither has internet.
17:41:37 soul Perfect
17:43:47 SamWhited soul: oops, we're at Manneken Pis
17:44:09 SamWhited there is wifi here, if I were paying attention to my phone :)
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17:44:32 soul SamWhited: but are you in a bar or something or just standing at the statue?
17:44:57 SamWhited soul: There's a bar with the sane name next door :)
17:45:36 soul SamWhited: ok, we are looking how to get ther
17:45:40 SamWhited same, even
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17:46:04 SamWhited excellent, see you soon hopefully!
17:52:21 jcbrand SamWhited are you also staying at Thon? How did you get to Manneken Pis? Walking/taxi/bus?
17:53:28 jcbrand OSMand says it's 17 minutes walking
17:54:00 SamWhited jcbrand: I walked, but the train goes nearby too
17:54:07 SamWhited the metro that is
17:56:03 jcbrand ok, we'll walk as well, see you in about ~20
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17:59:13 SamWhited See you soon!
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18:52:53 jonasw have a lot of fun people :)
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20:10:02 Guus allright - I'm wrapping up for today. If you need me for something that cannot wait until the summit, mail me. See you guys tomorrow!
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20:31:02 Kev Do people have a plan for Thon to Diegem in the morning?
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20:31:24 Kev Seems to be a direct train from Schuman at 09:31, but that doesn't leave any room for error.
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20:32:08 intosi Kev: feel free to update the wiki if you think an earlier train should be taken.
20:32:25 Kev Ah, does the wiki already list this? /me goes to look
20:32:40 intosi I updated it this morning with an itinerary.
20:32:57 SaltyBones I'm taking the metro to diegem...
20:33:08 SaltyBones but I'm not at Thon
20:33:24 Kev Does the metro go to diegem?
20:33:32 Kev I thought it was just trains.
20:34:12 intosi It's trains or busses.
20:34:18 intosi The metro doesn't run there.
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20:35:09 Kev Times from Centraal don't seem any more convenient really.
20:35:18 intosi metro / train is an option when you're near the Grand Place.
20:35:38 intosi That's why I opted to mention the direct train on the wiki.
20:35:38 Kev 09:34 from Centraal will get you in not very late.
20:35:44 Holger Do I need a separate ticket for the trains?
20:35:53 Kev 09:04 will get you in with 30 to spare or so.
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20:36:00 Holger Different from the Jump thing that works for Bus/Metro?
20:36:36 Tobias i think so...especially since it's out of the city area
20:36:46 intosi IIRC, you need a separate ticket for the train.
20:36:55 Kev Yes, you need a train ticket for that.
20:38:18 SaltyBones Ah, sorry. I just call the S trains metro....
20:38:39 Holger Okay. (There's a somewhat more expensive Jump ticket that lets you travel to the airport, I guess that would include Diegem. But not by train then.)
20:38:42 SaltyBones I have never figured out the exact nomenclature for trains, metro, subs, trams, etc
20:39:08 intosi In Brussels, there's even the pre-metro, which isn't metro quite yet.
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21:30:58 mathieui I like that you need to buy a €5 card to buy tickets in bulk
21:31:25 mathieui Even paris is less of a ripoff
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21:41:15 alameyo oh, I know city where you can almost exclusively buy tickets in bulk of 5
21:42:13 alameyo you can got for a trip there and back twice
21:42:29 alameyo and you are left with one more ticket
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21:47:16 mathieui Sounds perfect
21:50:26 mathieui The thon hotel lobby music is some evil stuff, it's a short tune in an infinite loop
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22:07:51 soul I payed 8,90€ for the ticket from the airport to Brussels-Schuman (train)
22:08:06 soul No idea if there was a better option
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22:10:11 Holger Last year I payed 7.50 € for a day pass and went by bus.
22:17:23 alameyo ahh, airlines canceled my flight
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22:30:07 SamWhited sure thing, see you tomorrow
22:30:25 SamWhited *facepapm* PM
22:35:45 alameyo I will be about hour later
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22:36:35 alameyo so turns out it isn't so bad
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