XMPP Summit - 2018-01-31

  1. SaltyBones

    where can I find the program again?

  2. intosi

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_22 IIRC

  3. SaltyBones

    Hm...we should decide on a time at which we meet at some point. :)

  4. mathieui

    it has been notified on list, at least

  5. SouL

    SaltyBones, check this out https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2018-January/001882.html

  6. SaltyBones

    ah, thank you

  7. intosi

    I have updated the wiki page as well.

  8. SamWhited

    Thon EU is fancier than the central location… I am excited to have a red duck this time.

  9. intosi


  10. SouL

    Red duck?

  11. intosi

    Your coding efficiency will be record high with an actual rubber duck.

  12. Guus

    Don't spoil the surprise!!

  13. SamWhited

    Guus: I was going to take a picture, but Conversations doesn't support 0382 so I guess I'll wait…

  14. SamWhited

    SouL: you'll see… (if you did the group reservation)

  15. SamWhited

    intosi: I still haven't finished my slides, so I will make good use of it.

  16. intosi

    Good, good.

  17. SaltyBones

    I think I have managed to move all my meetings and might actually be there tomorrow.

  18. SaltyBones

    I'm not sure why, but I find that surprising. :)

  19. Guus

    awesome, good to have you there!

  20. SouL

    SamWhited [09:55]: > Guus: I was going to take a picture, but Conversations doesn't support 0382 so I guess I'll wait… It has been always in my plans, I hope soon take a look at the code again

  21. SamWhited


  22. SaltyBones

    Can't 0382 functionality be emulated by posting a link?

  23. SouL

    SaltyBones, the idea is that clients that have inline image display, could hide that, for instance

  24. SouL

    Some clients parse the link and download the image to display it

  25. SamWhited

    Does anyone know off the top of their head if ING will change money if you're not a customer (I was so sad they sold their U.S. branch, now my bank doesn't work in Europe anymore :( )

  26. Guus

    As time is running out (apologies for the delay), I'm cross-posting this invitation for _you_ to attend the XSF Dinner 2018 in a couple of places. Please help me spread the word! If you're interested in joining us, please RSVP by fill out a short form at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 but do so today!

  27. SamWhited

    Guus: what day is the dinner? The form doesn't say.

  28. SouL

    SamWhited, in Thursday

  29. SouL

    I would say?

  30. Guus

    Thursday, yes

  31. SamWhited

    ooh, this is the place that had really good Escargot; excellent!

  32. Guus

    I have now added the date to the form, thanks Sam

  33. SouL

    on Thursday, not in Thursday... My english.. Hah :D

  34. SouL

    Form filled

  35. SouL

    Guus, could you check if you received my form? It's just that I haven't got any email back. If you can't right now (I understand, I'm hurrying myself) don't worry.

  36. Guus

    SouL: you'll have the roast chicken, amongst others.

  37. mathieui

    Guus, dinner choices are hard :(

  38. Guus

    mathieui: I like to challenge you. :)

  39. jonasw

    I’m hungry, that’s not fair

  40. mathieui

    that too

  41. SouL

    Guus, haha, great!

  42. SouL

    Yeah it's hard, since it's my first time I picked chicken, there are usually no surprises with chicken xD

  43. mathieui

    surprises in fancy restaurants are usually good

  44. mathieui

    except that one time in the US where all we’ve got was $80 fried chicken

  45. jonasw

    mathieui, mh, I’m sceptical

  46. jonasw

    but I’m also not attending, so I’ll shut up :)

  47. vanitasvitae

    Had to google translate most of the menu :D

  48. Guus

    I've provided french, english and dutch translations of the menu! That wasn't enough?!

  49. vanitasvitae

    :D I ddidnt know what "escargots" were. Now I know 😖

  50. intosi

    All of the menu? No, not all. Had to google Brésilienne :)

  51. Guus

    thatś the one that I didn find with certainty :)

  52. intosi


  53. vanitasvitae

    Is it normal that the submit button has no visual feedback?

  54. Guus


  55. intosi

    It gave feedback to me.

  56. intosi

    New page confirming I had submitted the form, and a link to edit my response.

  57. vanitasvitae

    Guus did you receive my choice?

  58. Guus

    vanitasvitae: no.

  59. Guus

    did you miss a required question somehwere?

  60. vanitasvitae

    Ah chrome did the trick

  61. alameyo


  62. Guus

    srly? you need a specific browser to fill out a form? wow.

  63. alameyo

    I have done it from firefox

  64. alameyo

    did you tried Lynx or smth like that?

  65. ralphm

    11 responses and counting

  66. ralphm

    Dame Blanche going strong

  67. SaltyBones

    Everybody likes Dame Blanche. :p

  68. SaltyBones

    soul, the reasoning in 0382 is correct but between providing the interface for sending such spoilers and the possibility for clients to ignore them just like they might preload links it seems like a dubious feature. :)

  69. SamWhited

    I love walking in places where the signs aren't in English and no one speaks it, saying a random thing on the menu, answering yes to any questions and then seeing what comes out, so no translations necessary as far as I'm concerned :)

  70. ralphm

    Preferably with non-latin scripts?

  71. soul

    SaltyBones: will read you later, I'm soaked and my luggage too, argh

  72. SamWhited

    ralphm: indeed, that's even better!

  73. Link Mauve

    Aaah, I’m late for my train! >_<

  74. Link Mauve

    I hope nothing will happen on the way.

  75. Link Mauve

    See you later. \o_

  76. intosi

    Safe travels!

  77. Guus

    Dinner update: I've just been in contact with the restaurant. If people would like to have a vegetarian dinner, that'll be possible. Some of the menu items are vegetarian (or will be slightly modified to be vegetarian). For a main course, there can be a pasta. If you're interested in a vegatarian option, please add that as a comment to the form (and tell the waiter tomorrow, when ordering)

  78. SaltyBones

    soul, welcome to belgium

  79. soul

    SaltyBones: haha, I'm still in Copenhagen, It was raining on my way to the airport.

  80. SaltyBones

    soul, okay, then the current light drizzle might even be an improvement. ;)

  81. Link Mauve

    I managed to catch my train, in extremis!

  82. Guus

    You make it sound as if you were standing next to the tracks, with a baseball-glove on, and stopped the train while it was passing you.

  83. Guus

    but, good for you :)

  84. Link Mauve

    Oh, it doesn’t also have the meaning of “just on time” in English?

  85. SamWhited

    It does; glad you caught it! See you soon!

  86. Guus

    link Mauve: yes it does, but I like to make silly puns

  87. Link Mauve

    I don’t have anything planned for the afternoon, does anyone want to walk around and talk afterwards?

  88. Link Mauve

    I’m arriving in Zuid at 3:47pm.

  89. SamWhited

    Link Mauve: I'll be around and will hopefully have finished my slides by then; it's a bit drizzly, but I'm game to walk around.

  90. Link Mauve


  91. soul

    I'm landing at 16:45 and from the airport to the Hotel. It's my first time there so I have no idea how much it will take for me.

  92. Guus

    weather warning: it'll be cold and miserable in Brussels until saterday/sunday (after that, it'll only be cold).

  93. SamWhited

    soul: it doesn't take very long; I caught a train to Bru-Central and then just walked from there (though you can also swap to the metro and take it right to the Hotel if you want to avoid the rain)

  94. soul

    SamWhited: is it better to go to Bruxelles-Schuman? Is all I kept in my mind from what Guus said.

  95. SamWhited

    soul: yes, if there's a train that goes there

  96. SamWhited

    I don't think any of the ones I saw stopped there, but maybe I just had bad timing

  97. mathieui

    Link Mauve, don’t forget to tell me where I sleep tonight, at some point

  98. soul

    mathieui: so brave :)

  99. soul

    SamWhited: ah ok, I see. Thanks, will try to check before boarding.

  100. Link Mauve

    mathieui, ah right, I need to figure it out.

  101. Guus

    Reminder: As time is running out (apologies for the delay), I'm cross-posting this invitation for _you_ to attend the XSF Dinner 2018 in a couple of places. Please help me spread the word! If you're interested in joining us, please RSVP by fill out a short form at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 but do so today!

  102. Guus

    (about half of the summit attendees have filled out the form)

  103. soul


  104. soul

    Our airplane is waiting for the pilot

  105. soul

    20 minutes for now

  106. jonasw

    that sounds very reassuring

  107. Guus

    I think it is a good thing that they wait for a pilot, before leaving.

  108. soul

    Guus: haha, you are extra funny today :D

  109. soul

    Well, he is here finally

  110. intosi

    Did you proceed to offload his luggage?

  111. Link Mauve

    SamWhited, I’m arriving, where do you want to meet?

  112. intosi

    May I suggest Poechenellekelder? ;)

  113. intosi

    (for you guys, I will not be in Brussels until tomorrow)

  114. Link Mauve

    21 minutes by feet from the train station, wfm!

  115. intosi

    See Manneken Pis, have a selection of beers :)

  116. Link Mauve

    SamWhited, ping?

  117. Link Mauve

    I won’t have Internet anymore once I leave.

  118. Guus

    I've tried pinging Sam for you in private - no response yet.

  119. Link Mauve

    The wifi in Zuid is weird, they allow for two minutes of connection if I don’t give my email address, after which I have to change my MAC address. ^^'

  120. Guus

    two minutes? just long enough to check for the train schedule, I guess? :)

  121. Guus

    If you want to go to the hotel by metro: Maalbeek metro station is closest by

  122. Guus

    Brussel-Schuman is just one stop further, but is a station for both train as well as metro.

  123. Link Mauve

    To check for the email they sent me. ^^

  124. Guus

    (assuming that you're staying in Thon EU)

  125. Link Mauve

    (I’m not sure where I’m staying, but I didn’t book any hotel (yet?).)

  126. Guus

    Sam might have figured out that Brussels is the chocolate capitol of the world... in which case I doubt if we hear back from him anytime soon ;)

  127. Link Mauve

    (It was originally planned to be at a friend’s place, but he moved outside of Brussels since then.)

  128. Guus

    Link Mauve: ok, let me know if I can be of help

  129. Link Mauve

    I sent a few calls for help during the train, I hope some will answer. ^^'

  130. SamWhited

    Link Mauve: oops, sorry, I dozed off

  131. Link Mauve

    SamWhited, still want to meet somewhere? :)

  132. SamWhited

    sure, are you near the hotel at all?

  133. Link Mauve

    No, I’m still at Zuid.

  134. SamWhited looks for food or things to do

  135. Guus

    monar, Hantu.sc, bg, Dwisnewski, Holger, MattJ (and Ethan), michalwski: if you want to join us at dinner tomorrow, please RSVP at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 - do so today please!

  136. Guus

    (as well as anyone else that feels like joining)

  137. intosi

    You realise some are not in this room, I hope :)

  138. Guus

    Yeah, I just compiled and copy/pasted that set of usernames by hand

  139. Link Mauve

    SamWhited, found anything? :)

  140. Link Mauve

    Otherwise I suggest going where intosi suggested.

  141. SamWhited

    Link Mauve: that sounds good to me, I remember liking that place

  142. Link Mauve

    Ok, I’ll be there in about 20 minutes!

  143. SamWhited

    I'll start walking that way, I should be there in 20–25

  144. SamWhited

    I won't have cell service, but I'll try to find some wifi if I can't find you.

  145. jonasw

    good luck finding a place, Link Mauve

  146. soul

    SamWhited, Link Mauve: where are you guys?

  147. soul

    I'm with jcbrand, maybe we can join?

  148. Guus

    soul: I think neither has internet.

  149. soul


  150. SamWhited

    soul: oops, we're at Manneken Pis

  151. SamWhited

    there is wifi here, if I were paying attention to my phone :)

  152. soul

    SamWhited: but are you in a bar or something or just standing at the statue?

  153. SamWhited

    soul: There's a bar with the sane name next door :)

  154. soul

    SamWhited: ok, we are looking how to get ther

  155. SamWhited

    same, even

  156. SamWhited

    excellent, see you soon hopefully!

  157. jcbrand

    SamWhited are you also staying at Thon? How did you get to Manneken Pis? Walking/taxi/bus?

  158. jcbrand

    OSMand says it's 17 minutes walking

  159. SamWhited

    jcbrand: I walked, but the train goes nearby too

  160. SamWhited

    the metro that is

  161. jcbrand

    ok, we'll walk as well, see you in about ~20

  162. SamWhited

    See you soon!

  163. jonasw

    have a lot of fun people :)

  164. Guus

    allright - I'm wrapping up for today. If you need me for something that cannot wait until the summit, mail me. See you guys tomorrow!

  165. Tobias


  166. Kev

    Do people have a plan for Thon to Diegem in the morning?

  167. Kev

    Seems to be a direct train from Schuman at 09:31, but that doesn't leave any room for error.

  168. intosi

    Kev: feel free to update the wiki if you think an earlier train should be taken.

  169. Kev

    Ah, does the wiki already list this? /me goes to look

  170. intosi

    I updated it this morning with an itinerary.

  171. SaltyBones

    I'm taking the metro to diegem...

  172. SaltyBones

    but I'm not at Thon

  173. Kev

    Does the metro go to diegem?

  174. Kev

    I thought it was just trains.

  175. intosi

    It's trains or busses.

  176. intosi

    The metro doesn't run there.

  177. Kev

    Times from Centraal don't seem any more convenient really.

  178. intosi

    metro / train is an option when you're near the Grand Place.

  179. intosi

    That's why I opted to mention the direct train on the wiki.

  180. Kev

    09:34 from Centraal will get you in not very late.

  181. Holger

    Do I need a separate ticket for the trains?

  182. Kev

    09:04 will get you in with 30 to spare or so.

  183. Holger

    Different from the Jump thing that works for Bus/Metro?

  184. Tobias

    i think so...especially since it's out of the city area

  185. intosi

    IIRC, you need a separate ticket for the train.

  186. Kev

    Yes, you need a train ticket for that.

  187. SaltyBones

    Ah, sorry. I just call the S trains metro....

  188. Holger

    Okay. (There's a somewhat more expensive Jump ticket that lets you travel to the airport, I guess that would include Diegem. But not by train then.)

  189. SaltyBones

    I have never figured out the exact nomenclature for trains, metro, subs, trams, etc

  190. intosi

    In Brussels, there's even the pre-metro, which isn't metro quite yet.

  191. mathieui

    I like that you need to buy a €5 card to buy tickets in bulk

  192. mathieui

    Even paris is less of a ripoff

  193. alameyo

    oh, I know city where you can almost exclusively buy tickets in bulk of 5

  194. alameyo

    you can got for a trip there and back twice

  195. alameyo

    and you are left with one more ticket

  196. mathieui

    Sounds perfect

  197. mathieui

    The thon hotel lobby music is some evil stuff, it's a short tune in an infinite loop

  198. soul

    I payed 8,90€ for the ticket from the airport to Brussels-Schuman (train)

  199. soul

    No idea if there was a better option

  200. Holger

    Last year I payed 7.50 € for a day pass and went by bus.

  201. alameyo

    ahh, airlines canceled my flight

  202. SamWhited

    sure thing, see you tomorrow

  203. SamWhited

    *facepapm* PM

  204. alameyo

    I will be about hour later

  205. alameyo

    so turns out it isn't so bad