XMPP Summit - 2019-01-23

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  40. ralphm Please select your menu for the XSF Dinner here: https://goo.gl/forms/hEtClRjLu7QqFkwS2
  41. ralphm No selection => no food for you.
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  62. Zash Hmmm
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  70. debacle Slightly OT: Does somebody have a list of XMPP related talks at FOSDEM? I found: Sunday 09:25 Goffi: XMPP Beyond Instant Messaging
  71. debacle Sunday 14:00 JS: Converse Sunday 16:05 pep.: Make XMPP sprint again
  72. debacle Sunday 14:00 JC: Converse Sunday 16:05 pep.: Make XMPP sprint again
  73. pep. https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2019#Submitted_Talks
  74. Link Mauve Another from goffi in the afternoon.
  75. pep. There's even a wiki page :)
  76. Seve/SouL !!!!
  77. debacle too bad, goffis second talk conflicts with pep.s
  78. pep. It's fine you don't have to come to mine :-°
  79. Guus https://xmpp.igniterealtime.org:7483/httpfileupload/7fdbe383-caa3-45e1-b8eb-f7700e9c8718/lje8BEr_RxGdsKdiTZ-lFA.jpg
  80. Guus To lazy to type on mobile
  81. ralphm Very high tech
  82. Guus My dad taught me
  83. Guus To counter, I'm currently looking like this:
  84. Guus https://xmpp.igniterealtime.org:7483/httpfileupload/df4ff1ed-270e-4bcc-baa0-80f26c8542d2/pH71MZ2PQgih92C9YVUxoQ.jpg
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  86. ralphm Woah
  87. Zash https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/track/real_time_communications_rtc/
  88. Zash The cyborgs are among us!
  89. debacle There is also a talk about OTR4
  90. Link Mauve :D
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  92. goffi debacle: yes I know, and first one is really early when everybody will be partying the night before :-/
  93. debacle goffi, very good: people will party til 9, then they go to your talk and then they will sleep
  94. debacle and dream of SàT
  95. goffi ah ah
  96. debacle There are also some M.A.T.R.I.X. related talks: Saturday 14:00 Matrix in the French State Saturday 16:15 Displaying other Application data into a Wiki Sunday 10:40 Breaking the 100 bits per second barrier with Matrix
  97. Link Mauve 100 bits per second? :|
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  99. debacle Probably some kind of joke.
  100. oli 100 bits per second, try that with XMPP ...
  101. debacle OT, again: Can somebody please make an XMPP enabled version of ConfClerk? It's nice that I mark the talks I like to see, but it would be much nicer, if I could share my selection with my colleagues, so that we can coordinate ourselves.
  102. oli debacle‎: not a joke
  103. oli "Matrix has always theoretically supported alternative transports, and we finally got an excuse to build one and push it to a ludicrous extreme - to try to operate usably over links as low as 100bps, as high as 4s latency, and up to 40% jitter"
  104. debacle oli, with XMPP it's: <bit role="mostsignificantbit">1</bit> etc.
  105. Zash https://isode.com/whitepapers/low-bandwidth-xmpp.html
  106. Link Mauve debacle, ITYM https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html
  107. oli "Meet COI (Chat over IMAP) - a powerful contender for WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and other proprietary messengers."
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  109. oli > “What about XMPP and Matrix.org?” – glad you asked! We love XMPP and Matrix.org because they provide a great solution – this only solves the problem in theory though. With XMPP and Matrix.org-based services you would still need to convince everyone to join your new network. Easy in theory, very complex in practice!
  110. Zash Chat over email also sounds nice in theory. But in practice... good luck.
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  112. Link Mauve There was already DeltaChat which attempted something similar.
  113. Link Mauve A comrade of mine is a proponent of it, but I haven’t heard any sound argument so far.
  114. oli Zash: it's chat over imap, might be without the smtp stuff
  115. oli i don't know
  116. oli if this involves full blown email shit, good look in convincing people to install their own servers.
  117. Zash oli: then you're in extension hell. enjoy.
  118. oli email is hell
  119. Zash can you submit email over imap yet?
  120. oli Zash: yes and no, no standard for this
  121. oli but workarounds that work
  122. Zash Wasn't there an extension?
  123. oli maybe
  124. Zash And then there's the crowd trying to kill IMAP and replace it with JSON and HTTP
  125. oli jmap
  126. Zash yes
  127. oli it's quite cool
  128. Zash No
  129. oli anyway, the speaker's company is developing the dovecot imap server.
  130. oli Zash: JMAP has a better design than IMAP in my oppinion
  131. oli We should ask the fastmail guys how to do chat over it 😂
  132. pep. "debacle> There is also a talk about OTR4", probably similar to the one at CCC?
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  137. debacle pep. Maybe - I wasn't there
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  139. Zash debacle: https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9596-no_evidence_of_communication_and_morality_in_protocols_off-the-record_protocol_version_4
  140. pep. Basically they are now using the double ratchet thing, doing PFS (now?), but still only 1:1 (resource to resource)
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