debacle: yes I know, and first one is really early when everybody will be partying the night before :-/
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goffi, very good: people will party til 9, then they go to your talk and then they will sleep
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and dream of SàT
goffi
ah ah
debacle
There are also some M.A.T.R.I.X. related talks:
Saturday 14:00 Matrix in the French State
Saturday 16:15 Displaying other Application data into a Wiki
Sunday 10:40 Breaking the 100 bits per second barrier with Matrix
Link Mauve
100 bits per second? :|
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Probably some kind of joke.
oli
100 bits per second, try that with XMPP ...
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OT, again: Can somebody please make an XMPP enabled version of ConfClerk? It's nice that I mark the talks I like to see, but it would be much nicer, if I could share my selection with my colleagues, so that we can coordinate ourselves.
oli
debacle: not a joke
oli
"Matrix has always theoretically supported alternative transports, and we finally got an excuse to build one and push it to a ludicrous extreme - to try to operate usably over links as low as 100bps, as high as 4s latency, and up to 40% jitter"
debacle
oli, with XMPP it's: <bit role="mostsignificantbit">1</bit> etc.
"Meet COI (Chat over IMAP) - a powerful contender for WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and other proprietary messengers."
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oli
> “What about XMPP and Matrix.org?” – glad you asked! We love XMPP and Matrix.org because they provide a great solution – this only solves the problem in theory though. With XMPP and Matrix.org-based services you would still need to convince everyone to join your new network. Easy in theory, very complex in practice!
Zash
Chat over email also sounds nice in theory. But in practice... good luck.
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Link Mauve
There was already DeltaChat which attempted something similar.
Link Mauve
A comrade of mine is a proponent of it, but I haven’t heard any sound argument so far.
oli
Zash: it's chat over imap, might be without the smtp stuff
oli
i don't know
oli
if this involves full blown email shit, good look in convincing people to install their own servers.
Zash
oli: then you're in extension hell. enjoy.
oli
email is hell
Zash
can you submit email over imap yet?
oli
Zash: yes and no, no standard for this
oli
but workarounds that work
Zash
Wasn't there an extension?
oli
maybe
Zash
And then there's the crowd trying to kill IMAP and replace it with JSON and HTTP
oli
jmap
Zash
yes
oli
it's quite cool
Zash
No
oli
anyway, the speaker's company is developing the dovecot imap server.
oli
Zash: JMAP has a better design than IMAP in my oppinion
oli
We should ask the fastmail guys how to do chat over it 😂
pep.
"debacle> There is also a talk about OTR4", probably similar to the one at CCC?