vanitasvitaeHm, I got something of a dejavu from last year 😀
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GuusLast year, my first TWO trains got cancelled
GuusEhhh... The lights just went out in the train that I'm in now.
GuusIt's still moving though 🤨
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jonas’good morning, summiteers
jonas’I’m ready to join remotely once the party starts
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flowvanitasvitae, Holger: have a safe trip :)
vanitasvitaeHah, train is delayed by 10 minutes due to snow and ice :D
vanitasvitaeI knew it. flow thanks :)
ZashSnow, in winter? Completely unexpected!
jonas’Un-Ex-Pected
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pep.Ugh, soo early
GuusGlobal warming is a scam!
jonas’itym a SCAM
jonas’eww
GuusObviously
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vanitasvitaeThe cisco train station was called Diegem, right?
HolgerYes.
jonas’vanitasvitae, from the data in this room, I think that’s true. somebody claimed that a train to Diegem is a good t hing, also the address Guus gave in the email contains Diegem
HolgerLanded. Someone else happen to be at the airport?
GuusIn half an hour
GuusZaventem, that is.
vanitasvitaeHm, if all goes to plan I'll arrive at 10:13 in Diegem
vanitasvitaeIF...
Syndacepep., Zash, Link Mauve: We already left to the train station
pep.Syndace: here we are!
pep.We'll catch up
ralphmGood morning all!
ralphmHaving breakfast with Alex
jonas’waves
HolgerWe landed in time but now can't leave the plain. Gate somehow b0rked.
HolgerNothing works.
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GuusHolger: you out? I'm about to arrive (but will have to get through security)
GuusWe can share a cab
TobiasJust a reminder for folks at Thon. Some of us are meeting up around 0910 in the lobby to take the train from Schuman to Diegem.
MattJ👍
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GuusHolger: ?
HolgerGuus: Got off the plain now, but I guess it'll take me 20 minutes to get to the busses.
HolgerPlus I need to get a coffee and tickets.
GuusLet's share a cab, which is faster
GuusI can do coffee 😁
GuusWhere are you at? I'm near the escalators, second floor
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GuusThere's a Java Coffee House here
jjrhAnyone at Cisco yet?
DanielWe are about 10-15 minutes away
HolgerGuus: Close to the 'info' desk now.
GuusUnsure where that is. I'll stand still and show off my XMPP hoody. 😀
HolgerGuus: I'd like to get tickets for Saturday/Sunday, because here I know how it works (IIRC you don't get the same 'airport tickets' everywhere in town). But sharing a cab then sounds good.
GuusKk
jjrhI'm just chilling by the cafe past reception
HolgerDownstairs at the ticket thing now.
GuusHolger: what level?
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HolgerBack at 2 now, looking for you 🙂
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DanielWe are here
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jonas’could the folks already there try to figure out what’s needed for webex?
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ZashSo, what's the wifi?
alameyoI'll be a bit late 😣
jonas’Zash, if I read the mail from Guus correctly, there’s a list with wifi accounts somewhere, possibly at the reception?
jonas’> A printed list of wifi accounts will be available. As I'm not sure how
> often an account can be re-used, please cross off the account that you used
> from the printed list (or risk suffering intermittent disconnects).
KevIt's a list on his phone, currently doing the rounds.
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Seve/SouLHave a good Summit friends!
mathieuipep. currently reading the terms of use of the wifi
TobiasJust put a link to an etherpad in the subject. In case people want to have some meeting notes and collaborate on that
KevRalph's trying to get it set up at the moment.
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jonas’Kev, yes
MattJ$ host example.com
example.com is an alias for sinkhole-dev.cisco.com.
KevI think we'll have to do around-the-room introductions first, and hope that Ralph can get AV sorted out by the time we're done for that.
MattJFirst fun wifi quirk
jonas’Kev, yes, introductions would be nice to have for me
jonas’MattJ, does it allow port 5222? :)
MattJSeems yes
Kevjonas’: You mean you want us to wait for that too?
mathieuistill no ipv6 though
jonas’Kev, would be nice, yeah
jonas’but since I appear to be the only one joining remotely, there’s no need to block on that if A/V is going to take a considerable while to set up.
KevIt's not proving trivial, I'm afraid.
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Ge0rGwould be interested in remote-joining as well, but can't promise to stay "on" for the whole day.
Ge0rGThere are still other people in the office
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Tobiasirk..people
KevWe'v done intros and are trying to restart the AV.
jonas’alright
Seve/SouLThank you for the updates :)
jonas’afk for a minute or two
jonas’but otherwise ready to do tests
ZashI think they're trying to figure out how to not get echo into the room
KevCisco are on the case.
Ge0rGThat escalated quickly.
jonas’I’m back
KevWe're not.
KevWe're trying not to start until we've got AV, but ...
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Seve/SouLUnfortunate
jonas’any chance to get an audio stream at least from someone in the audience?
jonas’maybe a palava.tv based one
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KevWe've not started yet, we're still holding off for AV.
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KevNow all the units are getting restarted...
KevNow having to go to 'IT' to get stuff fixed, so we'll have to go ahead, sorry.
jonas’meh
KevIndeed.
KevBut without an end in sight ...
jonas’one would think that Cisco would have have this type of things down
jonas’yeah, sure, go ahead
jonas’I’m a little annoyed, but not at you folks :)
KevAt some point we'll find a venue where they have AV they understand :)
jonas’at some point we’ll have the software for the AV
Ge0rG...based on XMPP
Link MauveFyi, what we did yesterday at UX Sprint: https://cryptpad.fr/code/#/2/code/edit/vW7RS05cpxQh+Fp8AsVq+HUd/
Link Mauvemathieui, ↑
jonas’I’d like to raise my point about "can someone stream via palava.tv or anything"?
KevI don't think sensibly so, not from this room, TBH.
jonas’alright
jonas’ping me when there’s a chance for AV
KevIt's a hell of a size to pick up from a phone or laptop.
jonas’multiple clients for super-surround-sound? ;-)
jonas’but yeah
jonas’go ahead, ping me when there’s A/V in sight
ralphmjonas’: it is being worked on and I'll let you know as soon as I can
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jonas’re agenda re compression: I have some numbers here which I’m happy to explain here or in that issue there, if necessary: https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/issues/249
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jonas’re IDs: we did some bashing of crazy things one day in xsf@, something about generating IDs verifiably using an HMAC: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2018-02-12/#16:14:23
ralphmhttps://cs.co/rudy
ralphmjonas’: ^ can you try and join?
jonas’on it
jonas’I see some spinners
jonas’who is Rudy De Keninck? :)
GuusOur Cisco contact
jonas’I see
jonas’nice, chromium seems to have issues using my webcam
ralphmhm, I tried Chrome on Ubuntu and that worked fine
jonas’I hear audio
Ge0rGI don't hear audio.
jonas’trying firefox in parallel now
jonas’no video though
jonas’firefox manages to connetc to my webcam at least
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Ge0rGI can see the "speaking" indicator from the host, but no sound is emitted by firefox
jonas’> Video is not currently available due to low bandwidth or local computer conditions (such as CPU or RAM use). Video will resume automatically when conditions improve.
jonas’O_o
Link Mauve“Video will resume once you have changed your CPU.”
vanitasvitaeSounds like you want to order messages in some sort of tree on server side. The root is a message and the children are the metadata
jonas’or maybe stopped chromium.
Ge0rGjonas’: increase the number of CPU cores!
jonas’*sigh*
TobiasRSM = Result Set Management
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jonas’Ge0rG, is the tab showing the speaker icon?
TobiasWhat's the words behind READ on the board?
TobiasWhat're the words behind READ on the board?
mathieuiTobias, "by them" "by us"
Tobiasahh...ta
jonas’still no video, this box isn’t really heavily loaded
Tobiasgoffi, was what you added to the collab notes already mentioned in the room?
ralphmGe0rG: still no audio?
jonas’am I identifying the main speaker right now correctly as being Kev?
MattJjonas’, yes
jonas’\o/
goffiTobias: did I add something already mentioned?
Tobiasgoffi, "having a summary of e.g. reactions ("110 people ♥"), and details on demand (who liked?)" but that's probably what Ralph is currently talking about :)
goffiTobias: it is what Ralph was talking about indeed, that's why I've added it to the minutes, I don't get what's wrong with that?
Tobiasgoffi, nothing wrong with that, I probably missed when it was mentioned before. :)
goffiok :)
Tobiassomebody remember what the 3 Dimensions are?
Zash[messages, metadata, meta-values] ?
jonas’what is the preferred method for a remote participant to chime into the discussion? especially without video, it’s hard to find points to jump in
flowwas just about to ask that :)
Tobiasmention in CAPS that you want to say something :)
flowjonas’, raise your voice here and someone will hopefully give you voice
jonas’there are no credentials needed for that URL
edhelasok I'm in but I can't hear anyone
MattJedhelas, zero audio or just too quiet?
edhelaszero audio
edhelastrying on chrome
edhelassame
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mathieuiedhelas, it’s lunch now
jonas’lunchification!
jonas’gonna find something to eat, too
jonas’edhelas, when I’m back, we can try if we can hear each other at least, maybe
edhelassure, I'll not participate, just listen
edhelasor by chat
edhelasok, I just needed to connect audio
edhelasI can hear you now :)
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jonas’Ge0rG, maybe that’s the same issue you’re having, did you hit that "connect audio" button?
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Tobiasjonas’, only me.
jonas’ah
Tobiaswill probably more active in 15 minutes
jonas’and two Ge0rGs and one edhelas in the webex
jonas’and still no video
Tobiasperfect...the A/V link has some certificate issues
jonas’aha?
Tobiasjonas’, see my video?
jonas’no
jonas’fancy feedback
jonas’turn your mic of, Tobias :D
jonas’I see a spinner for a short amount of time and then a placeholder :(
Tobiasclosed the tab
Tobiasbut audio/video from firefox on mac seems to work
jonas’hm
jonas’I’ll give chromium another shot, but it didn’t even recognize my webcamp
jonas’I’ll give chromium another shot, but it didn’t even recognize my webcam
jonas’no luck
jonas’do you get my video?
Tobiasdidn't notice it..try again?
jonas’I have it enabled right now
jonas’so I take that as a "no"
Tobiasyeah
jonas’looks at wireshark
jonas’unrelatedly, it appears that my imap client is stuck in a reconnect loop
jonas’that at least explains why it’s taking so much cpu
luckyHey, how to join via WebEx?
jonas’lucky, https://cs.co/rudy
luckythx jonas’
luckywow nice stream :)
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Ge0rGSo I tried to join again, multiple times, but it didn't quite work out with Firefox audio. Now I'm successfully hearing noise after calling in.
jonas’noise as in people?
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jonas’and calling in as with phone?
Ge0rGjonas’: yes and yes
jonas’isn’t that going to be expensive?
Ge0rGjonas’: there is a German WebEx call-in number, so it's covered by my flat
jonas’oh okay
jonas’the only one it shows to me in the UI is beglium
Ge0rGyou just need to know where to click
Ge0rGjonas’: "I will call" --> "Show international phone numbers" or somesuch
jonas’ah fun
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kinguI didn't get an account when messaging the summit mailing list
jonas’account for what?
kinguFor the wiki, so that I can register for the summit
Tobiaskingu, regarding wifi?
kinguPossibly also for wifi, though it seemed being let into the building was the showstopper
Ge0rGkingu: I can make you a wiki account, but not a wifi account. All I need is a CamelCase username and your email, via PM or in public, whatever suits you
Zashkingu: are you outside now?
jonas’is something on-topic going on? because audio is way too low level to get anything
KevNo.
Zashkingu: we can get oyo
Zashkingu: I think we can get you in if you're at the right building
Zashkingu: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3971639076 - there's a doorbell thing
jonas’apparently I didn’t buy enough cisco:
> Video is not currently available due to low bandwidth or local computer conditions (such as CPU or RAM use). Video will resume automatically when conditions improve.
Ge0rGjonas’: for the other phone numbers, you need to leave the conf and select the option from "Connect Audio"
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jonas’Ge0rG, the other phone numbers won’t get me audio
jonas’Ge0rG, the other phone numbers won’t get me video
jonas’audio works fine here
Ge0rGjonas’: ah.
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jonas’a bit quiet, but that’s probably the input material
jonas’I just must not hit play on my audio player, otherwise I’ll be deaf.
edhelasgoffi did you already talked about MUC Avatars, if yes, is it about https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-avatars.html ?
goffiedhelas: yes we did quickly, we went to the conclusion that it must be used with PEP (PEP from the MUC room jid)
goffiLink Mauve: will do a PR on XEP-0045 about that
goffiLink Mauve will do a PR on XEP-0045 about that
edhelasok
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edhelasI'm really interested about 2FA in XMPP and would be open to implement it in Movim :)
goffiedhelas: are you following the stream ?
jonas’edhelas, when you want something you say "reposted" (said out loud) in the physical room, ping Tobias :)
edhelasgoffi I am but I cannot talk where I am
goffiok
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edhelasjonas’ okay, thanks
Guuskingu: I'm kind of confused. Are you interested in joining the XSF summit, that started earlier today?
ralphmFor anyone interested in buying the new XMPP hoodies, please go to xmpp:hoodies@muc.xmpp.org?join.
edhelasfor 2FA what I miss is the setup project through XMPP, Tobias can you ask if it's planned and how they implemented that ? should we use ad-hoc to return the QR-Code for Google Authenticator for example ?
edhelass/project/process/
jonas’Tobias, raise hand
Tobiasdone
edhelasthanks
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Tobiasdone
Link MauveZash, could that be used for providing multiple SCRAM mechanisms?
ZashLink Mauve: wat
Link MauveThe SASL2 thing.
ZashWhy can't you already?
pep.(yeah that involves thinking a bit)
TobiasLink Mauve, SASL can already provide multiple mechanisms, not?
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Link MauveSo, before authentication you can’t know who is going to authenticate.
Link MauveIf you provide multiple SCRAM mechanisms, say SCRAM-SHA-1 and SCRAM-SHA-256, the user could pick any.
Link MauveWhile they only have one stored.
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Tobiasah...true
ZashIs there a failure+try this instead?
Tobiasyou mean where different users have different SASL mechanisms available to them
Link MauveFor instance yeah, without mandatory password changes you will have a transition period when upgrading from one mechanism to another.
Link MauveA per-user transition period.
jonas’Link Mauve, I don’t think that works safely unless the server can convincinly fake that it supported the first mechansim you tried (because user enumeration)
jonas’and even then it’s probably not safe
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jonas’it would have to make the client do both mechansims while convincinly faking that it knows the right values, which is not something you can do in SCRAM
jonas’where does SASL2 save a roundtrip, by the way?
Tobiasjonas’, ask dwd
jonas’I was hoping someone here knows so that I don’t have to disturb the physical room :)
jonas’because it’s probably obvious and I’m just missing it because I haven’t read the spec closely
GuusIs someone talking to kingu privately? I'm not getting responses. We're happy for him to join us at Cisco's.
ralphmjonas’: ICYMI, the answer is that SASL2 doesn't require a stream restart
jonas’I don’t know what "ICYMI", but the question has been adequately answered :)
flowFeels like a missing oppourtinity if Bind2 would require SASL2…
ralphmIn Case You Missed It
ralphmflow: not really clear to me why
flowralphm, why it is a missed opportunity? Because it prevents ppl from implementing bind2 standalone, while I don't see an argument for Bind2 to require SASL2
jonas’who’s the person with the deep voice discussing with kev on unreads?
flowjonas’, MattJ I think
MattJYes
ralphmflow: deployment of this stuff might take a while. I think requiring them together makes this less painful.
jonas’very different from what I imagined your voice to be, MattJ (not that I can accurately describe how I imagine a voice)
flowralphm, I don't think I aggree. In fact I think it increases the implementation burden if ppl not only need to implement Bind2 but also SASL2
MattJjonas’, it's probably very different to how I imagine it too
jonas’MattJ, ha
flowjonas’, I am pretty sure MattJ had a differnt voice 2 years ago
flowralphm, especially since it is trival to make Bind2 and SASL2 work independently from each other
jonas’I tend to agree with flow
flowjonas’, always good to know that there are people who also share that view. I had the impression that the majority of the room's participants did not listen/care
Tobiasjonas’ means http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2018-02-12/#16:14:23
jonas’yes
jonas’I do
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mathieuiwhat about having clients already generating unique ids having something in their disco saying that they do it, and let the server rewrite the ids for clients that don’t do it?
mathieuiRIP webex
MattJ"Oops"
Ge0rGI'm still "hearing" audio over the phone, but the quality is... sub-par
pep.Can you still hear us?
SyndaceOkay we back bois
ralphmOk
Ge0rGre deliberate duplication:
With my black hat on, I can't really make that assumption. I think that from the stated business rules, some trusted entity (read: each server and each MUC / MIX) will have to keep a list of "known" @id values for a sufficiently long time to reject duplicates.
Ge0rGTobias: ^
jonas’Tobias, this time really my hand
Tobiasdwd, where is that HMAC id generation described? some mail to standards ML?
Ge0rGat least the chat logs don't randomly change the web archive URL
jonas’or rather the IQ point raised by flow
Tobiasjonas’, it's up
jonas’\o/
TobiasGe0rG, there are several things discussed there. how are these ids defined now?
Tobiasis it hmac(secret=streamid, content=session management counter)?
Ge0rGTobias: yeah. I think the HMAC(stream-id, stanza counter) idea was brought up to make it impossible for other entities to predict the @id
jonas’Tobias, yes
Tobiasta
Ge0rGIt'll be lovely if you have enqueued a message into SM, but then your stream breaks down, you can't resume and you need to reconnect and start from scratch
jonas’yes
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jonas’I mean, I’d probably introduce an id attribute to my StanzaToken class (which is used to track a stanza through the outbound queue) and allow converting the StanzaToken to a string implicitly once an ID was assigned to the stanza.
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jonas’(and raise otherwise)
jonas’that would get safe behaviour without having to explicitly handle dependencies
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flowI become more and more sceptical of the HMAC approach…
MattJflow, I'm going the other direction. It seems more and more appealing, after all the id mess we currently have
MattJThere is no perfect solution, but this one seems to have pretty good properties
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Ge0rGjonas’: does the supporting server need to keep a mapping of incoming-ids to proper-ids, and rewrite all id references on the s2s boundary?
flowMattJ, I maybe missing something about the exact nature of the id mess
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winfriedI am really worried about the sequence of the stanza's with HMAC / the send queue, it feels very wobly (seen too many race conditions)
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jonas’Ge0rG, I’d say we don’t do rewrites and let things break
Ge0rGwinfried: let the send queue class return the generated id when you enqueue a stanza
jonas’winfried, you need to have a strict ordering on your stream for stream management anyways
jonas’if you have a race there, the stanza ID thing will make it more apparent, but you need to fix it anyways
winfriedjonas’: fair point, "lets brake broken clients big way" ;-)
ralphmFWIW, I don't know what happened to the WebEx camera feed.
flowGe0rG, racy, because I want to setup the listener before enquing
pep.I think we should have the summit chat displayed on a screen, just like the cameras (fail to correctly) focus people speaking
flowbut now I have to wait for the enque to get the id for the listener
Ge0rGflow: pass the listener (not a filter) to the sendMessage() function
flowI do
flowbut yeah, it would work with a bigger lock, but you increase your critical section touhg
Ge0rGflow: "critical section" reminds me of that fugly smack4 race condition bug where it's interleaving multiple stanzas with each other.
flowI could get along with the HMAC thing if we wouldn't use the sm height
Ge0rGflow: with your counterproposal being?
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MattJflow, I think we moved from SM to a simple per-client counter
flowGe0rG, dunno, add the integer into the stanza as extension element?
jonas’Tobias, hand
Tobiasup
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Ge0rGI'm really against using a long-term client identifier for the HMAC
flowMattJ, ok, not sure if I understand, I'll ask you to explain it later to me (preferably in person)
jonas’Ge0rG, everyone is
jonas’MattJ, huh, I thought we agreed that a per-client counter is not workable?
Ge0rGjonas’: phew. My audio is really garbled, so I'm only trying to connect puzzle pieces
MattJjonas’, did we?
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MattJYou highlighted it as a potential issue, I don't think we concluded that made it unusable?
jonas’MattJ, well, you’d have to persist a counter reliably. on each stanza sent/acked. or you transfer it on login, but hm.
jonas’I mean, in the end, you still have to deal with broken reconnects because you can’t know for sure what arrived before resuming
jonas’and then you’d have to recalculate IDs of queued stanzas
flowI lean towards server assigned IDs…
MattJNot in the per-client, right?
jonas’MattJ, in the per-client case, too
jonas’I think
Ge0rGflow: what's wrong with server-assigned client-predictable HMAC ids?
MattJjonas’, why would the id change between reconnects? (unless you reorder stanzas)
ZashErrors and iq replies needing to be excluded from the counter thing is weird.
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MattJZash, right
flowI could be wrong but all aruments against are nil. Could someone please make wiki page listing the pros and cons of the different approaches?
jonas’MattJ, when stream management is not resumable
jonas’then it’s tricky
MattJjonas’, stream management is not involved with a per-client id
jonas’MattJ, but the ID is effectively a cross-stream stanza counter
jonas’isn’t it?
Zashstream id, sm id, client id, so many ids!
jonas’I’m too distracted by the room audio, let’s take this to a wiki or discussion later, I think that’s better.
flowGe0rG, nothing I guess, please write a strawman
jonas’flow, you were arguing against them a second ago
flowjonas’, I don't think I did, I was arguing against client-generated server-verifyable IDs using the SM height I think
jonas’flow, server-generated client-predictable HMAC-IDs would do the same
jonas’except that the client doesn’t *have* to put it in the @id, the server will do it if it’s missing
Ge0rGthe best thing about HMAC-IDs is that it will finally make both clients and servers fix their SM counters
flowok, I think I have an idea how entities can still generate server verifyable unique IDs at the same time they do generate the IDs right now
Ge0rGbecause these are still getting desynced
Ge0rGflow: by pulling a queue number for each stanza?
flowGe0rG, no
jonas’Tobias, hand
Tobiasup
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goffiis there any open source up-to-date server implementation of MIX?
jonas’Tobias, down
Tobiasthere is an out of date one for openfire
Tobiasjonas’, alright
jonas’and thank you very much for doing the remote hands here :)
goffiyes I know for OpenFire, that's why I've specified "up-to-date" ;)
jonas’I think daniel triggered a partial implementation in ejabberd
goffino independant component? It would help spread it if we are not tied to a server.
MattJgoffi, unfortunately the design of MIX requires server support on the user's account
MattJMaybe it could be done with component delegation, not sure
goffiMattJ: for which reason (haven't checked the spec for a while)
goffiyes I was about saying that, or privileged entity
flowgoffi, mainly because your server needs to know which MIXes you joined
flowsimilar to what PAM does for PubSub
goffiok, it's probably doable with delegation then.
goffiI would love to give it a try if I had time, but I've not :'(
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edhelaskeep in mind that MIX is not only to replace MUC for some people
edhelasmy goal is to publish Atom items into MIX nodes
edhelasmaybe next to simple messages
edhelas0060 is also a bit like 0045 :p
TobiasZash, scoped = when referencing via ID you are actually referencing sender bare JID + that ID
Ge0rG0333, 0367 and 0372 won't scope by sender JID in MUCs
jonas’0184 neither
jonas’Tobias, hand please
Ge0rGluckily, sending 0184 into a MUC is madness
Tobiasup
ZashIt's scoped on full JID now tho?
Tobiasi understood kev that he meant on bare
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jonas’that isn’t correct in MUC
Ge0rGbare JID scoping is acceptable outside of MUCs, because if a user attacks their own clients, it's still clearly scoped.
flowSecretary: Jonas owes Tobias a new hand
Zash<scope jid="room@host/nick"/>
ZashMUX
edhelasZash wathavyoudone
ZashMUC with MIX protocol?
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jonas’Tobias, raise hand please
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mathieuiZash, what about MIC?
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Ge0rGjonas’: thank you so much for saying this!
Ge0rGwhere's my "told you so" stamp? :D
jonas’Ge0rG, you’re welcome ;-)
Tobiasjonas’, could you make sure that your point is mentioned in the etherpad mentioned in the subject? I missed some of it
Ge0rGjonas’' audio is much better than the conference room's.
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jonas’yeah, the conference rooms audio could be better
jonas’would be much better already with more bits/s
jonas’but a bit of amplification before compression would probably also be good
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DanielWhen do we have to be at the thon again?
winfriedtaxis are leaving at 19:30
Danielwinfried: thank you
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KevMattJ: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/749
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MattJKev: thanks!
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jonas’once I’ve fully recovered from my cold, I’ll address the editor backlog; most likely saturday or sunday
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kinguWhere is the dinner?
ralphmkingu: did you register?
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Kevjonas’: Sorry I forgot the version block.
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jonas’Kev, you have a day or two to fix it, otherwise I’ll just add it
kinguStill no e-mail, (unless I am missing it). I can pay for my dinner, and I wanted the wiki account because that is one place where I might have something to contribute
Kevjonas’: Already fixed it.
jonas’Kev, ah, ok
kinguI have one in spam called "CONFIDENTIEL", and one no topic from "Kevinjonathan"
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Guuskingu: I am not sure if your expectations meet the intended use of the wiki, but please feel free to join us for dinner, if you are paying for yourself.
GuusWe did not record an order for you though
GuusSo you will probably be ordering a la carte
GuusThis is the restaurant: L’Auberge Bretonne (Brusselsesteenweg 670, 3090 OVERIJSE)
Holgerdebacle, flow:
Holgergeo:50.8392773,4.3709277
flowHolger, Maison du Luxembourg?
flowsounds expensive…
flowwait, that is your hotel, right?
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Tobiashttps://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Minutes_of_the_2019_Summit:_Day_one here we go. Feel free to extend and correct things i forgot or got wrong.
Holgerflow: Yes.
kinguLittle bit too far away for me, still ill.
kinguAll the best, very happy that you are working away on problems that others take the easy road on.
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Guuskingu: will you join us at Cisco tomorrow? If not, do come say hi at FOSDEM!
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GuusTobias: thanks!
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debacleHolger, that is your hotel?
Holgerdebacle: Yeah.
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debacleis ~1.2 km from there
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melvodebacle, Holger, I will go with Daniel and the others to the Restaurant. Let's go tomorrow together.
GuusTaxis are arriving shortly! Please make your way to the Thon EU hotel lobby if you're intended to be on one.
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Alexcoming down
kinguGuus: I will either volunteer at FOSDEM or come see you at Cisco. Thank you for your hospitality :)))