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Ge0rG
Good morning. Did everyone have a great party last night, or is Summit resuming the tech talks? :D
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Seve/SouL
:D
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pep.
!
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jjrh
Beh train stopped
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mathieui
everyone had a great snow-delayed train to diegem
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jjrh
The one time on this trip I leave to make it exactly on time and not early is the day there is a delay
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MattJ
jjrh, I think our train passed it on the way :)
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jjrh
Booo
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jjrh
Almost there now
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alameyo
i have 20 mina to next train :(
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pep.
Pad is still at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/XMPP_Summit_2019_Day1 today!
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Tobias
yeah...let's use that
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Tobias
also, I'd be nice if there was more contribution on the minutes
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mathieui
Ge0rG, we’re starting
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Tobias
anyone needing A/V
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Tobias
?
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jonas’
I can’t attend remotely this time
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jonas’
but Ge0rG might want to listen in?
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Zash
pep. talks about Moved
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Seve/SouL
Honestly it would be cool to at least being able to listen the discussion (maybe for next year), because I could listen to it but not participate
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Guus
SouL, i think you _can_ listen today
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Guus
or at least, it is technically possible for us to provide you with a stream.
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ralphm
Daniel: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0068.html#approach-fieldnames
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Zash
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html#usecases-cancel https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html#example-16
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Link Mauve
Hey, you are editing the pad both at the bottom and at the top.
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mathieui
I did at the top since Tobias added day2 at the top
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Tobias
i thought reading it top to bottom, folks would notice it :)
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Ge0rG
I left my earpiece at home, so I can't listen in without offending the cow-orkers
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pep.
Ge0rG, takeaways for <moved/> is, "offline servers" support as a separate XEP, not in the scope of our first draft. I think it's reasonable. We can still support scheduled shutdowns
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Ge0rG
pep.: any insights on the best protocol to use for embedding <moved/>? PEP? Messages? Presence? All of the above?
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Ge0rG
I've heard there are unmaintained servers without persistent PEP
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Ge0rG
Oh, also PEP access model: public --> potential for spam; roster --> your contacts lose access once one of the clients has completed the "moved" game
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pep.
<error type='cancel'><gone/></error>
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pep.
And we'd have a mechanism (IBR?) to be able to set the tombstone on your account
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pep.
So the old server can even only send that gone error to your contacts
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Ge0rG
so this won't work on today's unmaintained servers, but only on tomorrow's ones, which support moved?
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pep.
Indeed. But as you said that doesn't work on today's server without persistent PEP
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jonas’
today’s servers have persistent pep
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jonas’
(mostly)
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Ge0rG
pep.: backward compatibility is the toughest piece of any protocol
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Ge0rG
jonas’: you might be biased by only looking at the *popular* servers.
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pep.
Ge0rG, ok, so I still don't know how to answer that.
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pep.
And I guess you don't either
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pep.
I guess we can have both PEP and <gone/> tbh
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Ge0rG
pep.: maybe a <message><moved> to all contacts in addition?
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Zash
<message to=everyone type=chat><moved to="newjid"/><body>Hey, I'm moving to a new account, please add me there: newjid</body></message>
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pep.
yeah backwards compatibility through natural languages in <body/>
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Ge0rG
Zash: https://op-co.de/tmp/xep-0283.html#message
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Ge0rG
pep.: ^
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Zash
Ge0rG: Exactly :)
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Ge0rG
> The <body/> MUST NOT contain information unrelated to the account move. This allows a receiving client that understands the <moved/> element to discard the <body/> and use an appropriate internal presentation format.
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pep.
heh, TIL of that document
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Ge0rG
pep.: ouch. sorry. Should have mentioned that earlier.
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Ge0rG
I've stopped short of introducing PEP
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Ge0rG
It's not even git-commited yet, just a stash in my $HOME
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Zash
Delay tags can/are scoped by the delaying entity
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edhelas
hello people
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edhelas
sorry to ask again, what is the url of the webex meeting already ?
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jonas’
edhelas, https://cs.co/rudy maybe?
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jonas’
I don’t know for sure, I’m not listening in today
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Ge0rG
yes, https://cs.co/rudy works
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Ge0rG
it even had an XML snapshot slide a bit back
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edhelas
okay :) I'm in, but no video
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edhelas
let's try on chrome
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Ge0rG
edhelas: there is no video, AFAICS
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edhelas
oh ok
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Ge0rG
but maybe there is and my firefox is too old
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ralphm
Huh? Three is
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ralphm
There
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edhelas
tried with chrome/firefox, no video
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ralphm
Weird
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edhelas
oh actually I have the video stream of goffi now :)
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edhelas
so it's definitly an issue with the cameras in the room
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MattJ
Kev, room in the schedule for a very brief demo from me?
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edhelas
if there's still room left I can also do a demo :p
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edhelas
would it be possible to list Moya on the XMPP website ?
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MattJ
edhelas, I think you can submit a PR
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MattJ
or Daniel :)
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Daniel
i'm just a consultant/contractor for Moya. I don’t have decision power
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edhelas
can you share the screen ?
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Daniel
oh never mind. i missunderstood that question
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pep.
edhelas, it's supposed to be
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Ge0rG
I can't see anything.
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pep.
ralphm, ^
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Ge0rG
audio works, but no video/screen sharing
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MattJ
Ge0rG, https://jmp.chat/
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Ge0rG
MattJ: I never completed their onboarding, so I wanted to see it in action at least remotely.
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Ge0rG
Daniel's presentation worked.
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edhelas
yes I can confirm, like Ge0rG
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ossguy
https://gitlab.com/ossguy/sgx-catapult
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Ge0rG
ossguy: do you happen to have a video of what you've shown right now?
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ossguy
yes, I did a similar demo at DebConf that was recorded - let me get you the link a minute...
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ossguy
Ge0rG: it starts at 29:40 in https://saimei.ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2017/debconf17/live-demos.vp8.webm
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ossguy
(not sure if there's an easy way to add that time offset as a # thing in the URL)
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Ge0rG
ossguy: thanks, I'll watch it when I'm off my metered mobile connection.
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ossguy
you're very welcome
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Ge0rG
VIDEO!!!1!
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edhelas
VIDEO §§§
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edhelas
annndd it's gone
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mathieui
blame Link Mauve
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Ge0rG
Whatever you guys did, do it again please.
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edhelas
the video only turns on when Link Mauve is filmed
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Zash
works now?
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mathieui
note how he made his "slides" in tmux tabs
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Ge0rG
We had Link Mauve's screen, then Link Mauve's face, and now it's gone again
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edhelas
> Video is not currently available due to low bandwidth or local computer conditions (such as CPU or RAM use). Video will resume automatically when conditions improve.
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Ge0rG
no video any more
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edhelas
I'm sure I have the bandwidth for it
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mathieui
edhelas, rust is too powerful for your computer
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Zash
"worksforme" / ralphm
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pep.
https://gitlab.com/xmpp-rs/xmpp-parsers/
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edhelas
mathieui :(
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jjrh
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_23#Show-and-tell has some of the links
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ralphm
Sorry people, I don't know why it (sometimes?) doesn't work for you, but I've been constantly connected to the stream on my laptop, too, and see no issues there.
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edhelas
ralphm you're stealling all our bandwidth !
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Ge0rG
There is *at least* one writer thread *cough*cough*
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edhelas
XEP-xxxx: Sextoys over XMPP
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Zash
Relevant https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9523-internet_of_dongs
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edhelas
I'm actually curious to know more about this integration in sextoys, they actually have a chip that can talk XMPP inside the object ?
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mathieui
edhelas, probably inside a smartphone app
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mathieui
Zash, that talk was quite disappointing
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intosi
At one EuroOSCON many moons ago, we had a lengthy chat with someone using (amonst other open tech) XMPP for teledildonics.
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edhelas
and bluetooth on the other end
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goffi
or inside a body
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edhelas
soon pacemakers powered by XMPP, better not miss a stanza there
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ralphm
edhelas: possibly related too: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0132.html
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mathieui
poezio connection code inside pacemakers
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pep.
please no
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pep.
*reconnecting* *reconnecting* *reconnecting* *oops*
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intosi
ralphm: that XEP even uses <gone/> ;)
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ralphm
https://ralphm.net/publications/xmpp_chat_voip
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mathieui
(don’t forget to edit your presentation description in minutes if you think it doesn’t do you justice)
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MattJ
https://matthewwild.co.uk/projects/scansion/
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flow
https://geekplace.eu/box/XmppNioTcpConnectionStateGraph-aQPiEKBwNk8pZK5V1lb5uYFjozeJfI.png
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edhelas
that's a nice flow
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flow
TIL teledildonics
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Seve/SouL
+1✎ -
jonas’
what?
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jonas’
-vv
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Seve/SouL
Same here ✏
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flow
jonas’: 12:23:09 intosi> At one EuroOSCON many moons ago, we had a lengthy chat with someone using (amonst other open tech) XMPP for teledildonics.
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Zash
Ge0rG: Anything to say about xmpp developer foundation or somesuch?
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Daniel
https://xmpp-developers.foundation/about/
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Ge0rG
Zash: I'm not the right person for that. But I've heard somebody wanted to found a JSF
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Zash
Ge0rG: JSF vs XDF - FIGHT!
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flow
why does it always have to be a vs. and not simply live and let live ;)
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vanitasvitae
flow: its about the name
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flow
vanitasvitae, ahh, if this is the biggest issue, i am sure we can find something everyone is unhappy with
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debacle
For everybody interested in IoT, please remember, that there is a MUC, that needs more participants and more discussion: xmpp:iot@muc.xmpp.org?join
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Seve/SouL
Zimpy
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vanitasvitae
Lets name the developer foundation matrix.org
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jonas’
flow, I’m also sure we can come up with an acronym with is massively misleading
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jonas’
ah, vanitasvitae did it already
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vanitasvitae
You're welcome :)
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jonas’
Massive Advancement Towards Rapid Integration of XMPP
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jonas’
or something
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vanitasvitae
Perfect!
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vanitasvitae
Spld
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vanitasvitae
*sold
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mathieui
jonas’, Massive Advancement Towards Rapid Integration of XMPP. Openly Regulated Guidelines
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debacle
s/Integr/Implement/ ?
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jonas’
debacle, !
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edhelas
Planner Jabber is actually available on XMPP Pubsub https://nl.movim.eu/?node/news.movim.eu/PlanetJabber :) #eatyourownfood
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Ge0rG
jonas’: I thought MATRIX is Monolithic Awfully Trendy Re-Invention of XMPP (courtesy of debacle)
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jonas’
that’s the other Matrix
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vanitasvitae
Sprint XYZ - presented by the XSF and XDF!
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Ge0rG
Speaking of marketing... "We bring the Pee into XMPP"
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flow
"Monolithic Awfully Trendy Re-Invention of XMPP" ← love it
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vanitasvitae
Re planetjabber: it still contains philosophy posts
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mathieui
Ge0rG, please stay away from public relations in any form
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Zash
https://www.ag-software.net/matrix-xmpp-sdk/ this Matrix?
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pep.
That's the channel we've been idling in fwiw, xmpp:jsf@chat.cluxia.eu?join - jsf is probably not the name, and xdf came afterwards.
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Ge0rG
there is precedent for a Jabber®-named organization, and there is precedent for the JSF
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Ge0rG
And if we keep to the notion of "Jabber" being the federated IM network, a JSF kinda makes sense
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singpolyma
Merry Band of Jabberers
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Zash
pep.: look up
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vanitasvitae
Just do a poll regarding the name
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vanitasvitae
There is a xep for that, right?
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Ge0rG
Link Mauve is very quiet on the audio stream
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Ge0rG
There is also an ongoing effort to report spam-forwarding IBR servers to the admins and to the respective ISPs, to get them shut down
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Ge0rG
https://op-co.de:5281/upload/FPEZZRp7HmMoJXWQ/Screenshot_20180312-121844.png
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flow
Ge0rG has maaaany friends
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Ge0rG
but they all only speak Russian :(
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flow
Ge0rG, I thought you too (at least a bit)?
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ralphm
vanitasvitae: as I said, Planet Jabber is about People Doing Jabber/XMPP stuff. It is not about Posts About Jabber/XMPP.
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flow
ralphm, I think there is maybe a desire to change that
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Ge0rG
99.9% of current spam can be blocked by some easy heuristics and blocking of URLs from non-subscribers
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ralphm
flow: there's also Planet Jabber News which includes software update feeds
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Ge0rG
if the audio wasn't so bad, I'd contribute some insights too
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Ge0rG
Maybe we can pay the spammers *more* to not send any spam any more! 😁
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Seve/SouL
:)
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Zash
What could go wrong
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Ge0rG
Zash: Cobras
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pep.
We need to hire a hitman
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Seve/SouL
Thanks for explaining MattJ
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flow
Hmm, the discussion is dereailed it appears, was interersting to hear what Link Mauve explained, but right now I don't know where we are heading to
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pep.
Spammers might be listening in this room, we need not to reveal our secrets
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Ge0rG
*raise hand* my spam solution isn't blocking all messages from foreigners
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Tobias
Ge0rG, alright...will proxy it
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Daniel
flow, i think a lot of people don’t know how spammers or spim work. so getting everyone on the same page (ie how does the threat vector look like exactly) is certainly valuable
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dwd
pep. Good point. Maybe we should lay some false trails. How about I suggest that the spammers are easy to spot because they use plaintext whereas everyone else uses XHTML-IM?
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Tobias
Ge0rG, Link Mauve is explaining things in more detail
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Ge0rG
Tobias: Link Mauve is very quiet, so I'm missing out random fragments
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pep.
dwd, sounds good to me
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flow
Daniel, true, but given the limited time I think it would be benficial to focus on what actually works regarding spam prevention
- Ge0rG raises hand
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dwd
pep., Maybe a XEP that has a new element: <this-is-not-a-spam xmlns='urn:xmpp:spam:0'/> that we pretend we check for?
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Tobias
Ge0rG, next time i'll bring a megaphone
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Daniel
right. but to work out the solutions it is importants to understand how the problem actually looks like
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flow
Ge0rG, you need to tell Tobias to raise his hand for you :->
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Daniel
for example the information that there are only ~3 spamming services is interesting
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Tobias
Ge0rG, it's up
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Daniel
also the information that spammers can read
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Daniel
which apparently people weren’t aware of
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Tobias
Ge0rG, are you on audio? if not just write what you want proxied
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Ge0rG
Tobias: I'm on audio, just need to unmute myself and surprise you all with my voice
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Tobias
alright
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intosi
We could ask spimmers to use https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0076.html
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Ge0rG
https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist re what Link Mauve is saying
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Tobias
Ge0rG, PING
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Seve/SouL
Yes Ge0rG
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flow
So according to https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist/blob/master/blacklist.txt, the current size of the problematic services is 1
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flow
Doesn't look so bad
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Guus
😛
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Daniel
flow, there is a due processes to get on that list and off that list
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Daniel
quite a few servers are about to get on that list
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pep.
(which is what the document explains)
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Daniel
it just hasn’t happened yet
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flow
ahh, ok
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Ge0rG
messages bots domain ---------- ---------- ------------------------------------ 4307 3171 bunkertor.org 1984 628 jabber.cd 1950 1169 paranoid.scarab.name 1351 1044 darkengine.biz 1233 364 amtserver.com 1064 254 anyproxy.net 1061 251 securejabber.me 837 479 unstable.nl 771 258 biniou.net 676 267 default.rs
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Daniel
but they are close to being escalated
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Guus
of my last 10 spam messages, 2 are on this list.
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jonas’
if Ge0rG isn’t DoS’d out of the internet first
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pep.
jonas’, too late?
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mathieui
thanks Guus
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mathieui
Ge0rG*
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intosi
I've seen spam from domains on this list as well.
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mathieui
(but thanks Guus for summit organization anyway I guess)
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Guus
You're welcome 🙂
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Ge0rG
Some clients will block incoming messages/subscription requests until a captcha is solved
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Ge0rG
Like https://github.com/redsolution/xabber-android/issues/851
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Tobias
In case people remember stuff from the spam discussion that's missing on https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/XMPP_Summit_2019_Day1 , please add it
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Ge0rG
With the current level of sophistication of the spammers, there is NO NEED for captchas
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intosi
Ge0rG: interesting observation.
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Ge0rG
Tobias: *raises hand* sometimes spam accounts are created, then not logging in for multiple weeks, then wake up and spam
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Daniel
yes.
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mathieui
often, yes
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Daniel
but i don’t think it matters to the pattern of suddenly sending messages to 1000s of people
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Tobias
Ge0rG, it's up
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mathieui
+1
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Daniel
that pattern should be blocked regardless of how old the account is
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Ge0rG
less-than-secret example from the firewall: ``` # outgoing messages to non-contacts need to be full-body-searched. KIND: message TYPE: chat|normal|headline NOT SUBSCRIBED? JUMP_CHAIN=user/bodycheck ```
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Ge0rG
from a fast skim of the rules, the only thing that's not coming from the message is the mutual subscription status
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Tobias
maybe the Rspamd protocol documentation can also provide some helpful input✎ -
singpolyma
so the antispam server doesn't need the whole roster, just a boolean basically about the relationship between from and to
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Zash
none/to/from/both
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Tobias
maybe the Rspamd protocol documentation can also provide some helpful input https://www.rspamd.com/doc/architecture/protocol.html ✏
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Ge0rG
Zash: the relevant question is: did the recipient authorize the sender before
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singpolyma
would the blacklist being public be as problematic as the rules? I would think probably not?
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Ge0rG
singpolyma: the blacklist doesn't contain any black magic.
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mathieui
yet.
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Ge0rG
There are various public blacklists already
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flow
Ge0rG, that sounds like it could be feasiable to just put additional metainformation in the message send to the spam indendification service, versus the spam identification service asking for additional information from the xmpp server
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Ge0rG
I've only created my own one because none of the earlier ones had a due process
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Ge0rG
flow: yes.
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Ge0rG
flow: just a metadata flag
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singpolyma
for sure. due process is a good thing that can help us from becoming like email
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Ge0rG
singpolyma: I wanted to be a _good_ RBL
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flow
Ge0rG, question is, will there be more metadata in the future? Probably, but then we question is "How much?"
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Seve/SouL
Did I hear correctly :)
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Ge0rG
Tobias: jonas’ provided measurements from compression with different flushing aggressivity
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Zash
https://blog.thijsalkema.de/blog/2014/08/07/https-attacks-and-xmpp-2-crime-and-breach/
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Ge0rG
jonas’' data on XMPP compression: https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/issues/249
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Ge0rG
aioxmpp test suite, sync_flush only (XEP-0138 as written): 40% rx, 20% tx aioxmpp test suite, full_flush after each stanza: 25% rx, 20% tx JabberCat startup (lots of mucs, lots of avatars), full flush after each stanza: 25% rx, 12% tx JabberCat startup (lots of mucs, lots of avatars), sync flush: 36% rx, 12% tx
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Ge0rG
(the percentage being the ratio of bytes saved; tx is from client to server, rx is from server to client)
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singpolyma
so even full flush after every staza could be worth it *if* that is safe in your context
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winfried
EXI!
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Ge0rG
you save 20% of traffic, but add some proper CPU load
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Ge0rG
also RAM
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singpolyma
for sure
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Zash
something something ROI
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mathieui
Ge0rG, which might be something of interest using a smartphone over an edge channel
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Zash
As a server dev, I'm happy avoding the additional memory usage of compression
- Ge0rG raises hand: an approach that's maybe worth exploring is a pre-created "official" compression dictionary, containing all the relevant stanzas and namespaces. like http/brotli
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Ge0rG
Tobias: ^
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singpolyma
winfried: is there data on EXI vs compression similar to those numbers above?
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Ge0rG
damn, toolate
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Tobias
Ge0rG, sorry. we moved to the next item
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debacle
Ge0rG in some cases compression actually reduces CPU load, because there is less data to TLS encrypt
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Ge0rG
debacle: I know
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Ge0rG
Is there somebody good at painting? We still need XMPP Compliance Badges
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winfried
singpolyma: some years ago there were some japanese guys, who did metrics on EXI, it worked quite well
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Seve/SouL
Yes! A lot of people!
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Seve/SouL
Somebody writing that donw? Just to know what can we improve in the future for Summits and so on
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dwd
Kev's writing this stuff down, yes.
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Ge0rG
I wish for a working A/V and *especially* better audio, and it would be great if it would work over XMPP
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Tobias
Seve/SouL, see etherpad
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alameyo
https://ctftime.org/writeup/12913 here is kind of compression oracle attack - it was created as hacking challenge but you can get the idea
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Seve/SouL
He has a point though :)
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dwd
Seve/SouL, Who?
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Ge0rG
Video worked and broke down synchronously for me and edhelas, so it must be on Cisco's end
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Seve/SouL
dwd, working on the agenda before Summit (I don't know him unfortunately)
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Tobias
what's at the top of the board?
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Zash
"agenda before reading"
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MattJ
Looks like "AGENDA FUR BY REAPING"
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Zash
for?
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Tobias
something in between i bet,...ta
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Zash
Having the agenda prior to the summit so you can read up on XEPs and whatnot
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MattJ
Ah
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Seve/SouL
I had that experience last year, couldn't have maybe an exact opinion on something
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dwd
That was suggested by Piotr of Erlang Solutions.
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Seve/SouL
Ah I see, thanks dwd
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Seve/SouL
What did happen to think about this information for new people attending?
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Zash
Seve/SouL: What do you mean?
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Seve/SouL
Zash, just curious about if this topic popped up because somebody did something wrong by mistake... Or something like that (Writing how the Summit works, I mean.) Anyway, I may have understood it in a different way, audio is ok but of course not real life.
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Zash
Seve/SouL: No, we want to remember what was done well, so it's not forgotten and can repeated next year
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Seve/SouL
Ok perfect, great
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Seve/SouL
Thank you Zash
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Zash
Seve/SouL: Assuming I understood your question
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flow
Secretary: Add ProtoXEP SEX to the XSF Summit 2020 agenda
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flow
Secretary: Vote for "ProtoXEP SEX" as agenda item
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Zash
/invite Secretary
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flow
Secretary: Add XEP-1234 as recommended read for the "ProtoXEP SEX" agenda item
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kingu
What is he selling?
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alameyo
so anyone, any plans for the rest of the evening?
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Seve/SouL
A more open✎ -
Seve/SouL
. ✏
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Zash
Plans?
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Link Mauve
ArchLinux food!
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alameyo66
Zash: I would do something
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Zash
Do something? After two days of meeting?
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pep.
ArchLinux food!
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alameyo66
so far I am improvising, that's the way to do things too
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jjrh
I'm up for food or drinks if people are meeting somewhere
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alameyo66
jjrh: I am at some street, let me figure out which one
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alameyo66
Lat 50.84829 Lon 4.35174
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goffi
is there anybody going to delirium tonight?
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alameyo66
goffi: I intend that but a bit later
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goffi
alameyo66: yeah not now, I'm working on my talks anyway, won't go before 20:00 at best.
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jjrh
What's delirium?
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goffi
jjrh: delirium café, where's the opening night is happening
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Seve/SouL
Never been there but I have heard that is quite full
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goffi
yes it is
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goffi
I don't plan to stay long, but 2 or 3 beers would be nice
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jjrh
Damn 3000 beers to choose from
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goffi
welcome to Belgium ;)
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alameyo66
I am at the quartier du centre
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MattJ
BTW if anyone is missing a (big) Thinkpad charger, we found one in the Thon hotel lobby and left it at the reception
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mathieui
not me but I could always do with one more
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Tobias
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Minutes_of_the_2019_Summit:_Day_two
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MattJ
Thanks!
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MattJ
Oh wow, you typed up all the retro + action items too, I was going to do that... so double thanks :)
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Kev
👍
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Tobias
"Your personal Google+ account is going away on April 2, 2019" oh no. Life will never be the same again.
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Zash
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Zash
Did anyone do a headcount?
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Zash
jonas’: (Re compression) You didn't try the "flush when the to/from attr changes" approach to compression?
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Zash
Felt like there were more than 30 people at peak, but maybe that was just the room layout
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ralphm
dwd: lovely small square clean antique red flowery Dutch wooden storage box
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Zash
Oh no, the minutes pad has an infinite loop
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Zash
ralphm: correct horse battery staple?
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ralphm
Discussion on the order of adjectives
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Zash
Ah yes, that's got some specific order
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Holger
goffi: We're there right now.
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Guus
Zash did you just share your password? 😱