tallship@jabber.org: every federated XMPP MUC (like this one) is bridged to a Matrix room (and vice versa), because several organizations run Matrix<->XMPP bridges - see https://aria-net.org/SitePages/Portal/Bridges.aspx for one example
ossguy
using the above example, the Matrix room for this MUC would be #_bifrost_summit_muc.xmpp.org:aria-net.org
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Menel
For my understanding thats not a bridged room, but a matrix user joining over a bridge
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MattJ
It's Complicated™
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ralphm
Anyone still at the ibis?
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MattJ
Yes
MattJ
Been working on my slides, don't wait for me
MattJ
Aiming to get to FOSDEM before 10
ralphm
I'm at breakfast now
ralphm
Not in a particular hurry
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K, I'll probably be down in 10min or so
ralphm
👍
jonas’
Kev, for the record, my point was that hams aren't allowed to do crypto.
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MattJ
For anyone at the FOSDEM stand... I kinda published on Mastodon that I'd be doing a drop-in Snikket install support from 10am. Ralph and I will be heading for FOSDEM in a moment, but we'll not make it in before 10. I trust anyone present can either delay people, tell them to come back or (best of all) walk them though the Snikket setup: https://snikket.org/service/quickstart/ ;)
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winfried
I'm at a talk closeby, if I'm needed, ping me, then I can pop-up
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emus
MattJ: sorry, didnt manage to toot this
emus
MattJ: maybe later again?
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ralphm
About tear-down. We start around 17:00. At 17:30 everything needs to be cleared out, trash trashed, tables and chair collected, and floors swept.
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ossguy
Menel: I guess maybe I don't understand Matrix's representation of things - how would a "bridged room" be different from one that happens to be hosted by a bridge? (and perhaps this is off-topic, so it's fine if we don't get into it here)
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Menel
ossguy: it is possible to "glue" two rooms together. Matrix users join a matrix rooms and xmpp users an xmpp room. But both see each others users and messages. Thats a bridged room.
If I join a matrix room with my xmpp client or a matrix user does the opposite.. Thats just a user joining via a bridge. Not a bridged room.
ralphm
I think the difference is on what is being bridged. If you bridge a room, it is a single room that has two protocol "sides". If you bridge the user, you represent that user in the other protocol somehow and the room having no knowledge about the user not being a native user.
ossguy
I suppose I don't see why I'd want a bridged room (or why this would be a thing you'd bother implementing in a federated protocol)
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
from the joinjabber faq
"Gateways" or "transports" enable users to connect to other networks (IRC, Matrix...) as if they had joined it directly; the gateway will create a user session on the remote network in a process called "puppeteering";
"Bridges" connect collective spaces (such as chatrooms) across networks without user intervention ; they can relay message through a dedicated user (relay bot) or by "puppeteering" users on remote networks. Some remote networks also allow the relay bot to temporarily change its name with is referred to as "user spoofing".
Matrix uses a lot of bridged rooms for irc. See the fdroid room. It is bridged via at least three protocols ✏
ralphm
Federation is hard enough. Federating two federations is something that I don't get know how to do reasonably. You either have to relay and have multiple hops or you need to settle on a single s2s protocol.
ossguy
Menel: yeah, I can see why for IRC (since IRC isn't federated) but it doesn't make sense to me for other federated protocols
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
yeah. or you lose all the features and it is just text
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
like irc bridged rooms
moparisthebest
I've never once seen bridged rooms with good UX
Menel
Of the matrix bridge would just behave like biboumi, and the users would just know they write for irc too, it would be ok
moparisthebest
Vs just having 1 source of truths and other protocols running their own transports, for example biboumi has *excellent* ux for folks in both sides
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MSavoritias (fae,ve)
one of the things that bugs me about biboumi is having to remember how to write the uri to join a room
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
plus that it is irc of course
ossguy
ralphm: when you say "the room having no knowledge about the user not being a native user", how does that work? wouldn't people still be able to tell by the user's Matrix ID (or Jabber ID)? or are you saying that the person needs to register an additional Matrix/Jabber ID in order to join a bridged room?
moparisthebest
Biboumi could probably help you write the URL with adhoc commands or similar, but it's pretty straightforward
Menel
#room%ircserver@yourxmppcomponent.tld.
Just remember # % done
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
of course. looks practically the same as xmpp rooms /s
ossguy
(which reminds me of another thought I had: if people are concerned about "yucky-looking" JIDs/Matrix IDs for their rooms (i.e. that's why they want to make a "bridge room"), wouldn't a simpler "ID alias" protocol be better?)
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moparisthebest
MSavoritias (fae,ve): it's channel%server@biboumi unsure how it could get easier
moparisthebest
# is part of the channel name typically on most (but not all!) IRC servers
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emus
German Train just gave me an extra cookie because I paid cash^^
Was a great experiences folks, hope to see you soon!
We've already ordered, so you'll have to consider what's the best strategy for food. I'll leave for home right after, but the other guys well surely be up for drinks
ralphm
will
ralphm
Syndace: ^
emus
> Arne:
> 2023-02-05 06:58 (GMT+01:00)
> Thanks guys for your work and openness there!
💚🧡💙
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Zash
Boarded plane and leaving Brussels for this time. Thanks and good work all!