XSF Discussion - 2010-03-10

ding!

hey :)

I'm in the wrong room, I see :)

yes?

board or here?

here is fine with me, unless those Board people think they are too special :)

we are! ;-)

is this the meeting room?

Nÿco: :)

http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board

Nÿco: great, I love etherpad!

Calling out loud Jask anf Florian!

oh some blue edits ;-)

teach me to get lost in a blog post :)

jack: :)

BTW we have logging now

cool

http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100310/

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XSF discussion room | Check http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the next scheduled meeting | logs here: http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100310/

sorry ;-)

we have a Y21xx problem there :)

XSF discussion room | Check http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the next scheduled meeting | logs here: http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/

are we meeting here?

everybody here

Florian: seems so :)

I thought it was board@

1/ XEP-00000001

taking minutes at http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board

sorry

to stpeter, wer'e not so 'special' enough... ;-)

let's talk about the mother of all XEPs

ok

heh

so Dave Cridland raised some questions about XEP-0001 and it was a bit out of date

it said we did things one way but in fact we did them another way

small stuff

+1 on all those changes

+1

http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0001-1.20.html#appendix-revs has the revision history

still reading...

no hurry

you can post to the list about it

jack posted the diff, too

you don't like "Jabber" anymore... :'(

I love Jabber, but others don't :P

however the problem is mostly going away now

the most important changes are about time periodss

which makes me happy :)

yes

some of the time periods were just wrong

e.g., we decided to defer XEPs after 12 months

but we never updated XEP-0001 about that

the most significant one is "Changed the holding period for advancement from Draft to Final from 60 days to 6 months."

but we've never taken less than a few years to push something from Draft to Final :)

ok, no objection for me, that's a +1

and 60 days really is too short!

ok

except "Attention"?

Will, do you vote?

http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0224.html ? that is Draft

+1 on everything ;)

Before conection goes

ok

Next item, should WIll send us all $1000 each.

Ahhhhhh

ok, patent/copyright policy

it's in the meeting notes ;-)

i think the document is fine

ido think we will need to put NOTE WELL stuff in the official chat rooms and mailing lists e-mails

I've read, no objections here

(ie, when you join list/room or when you get a reminder)

jack: that is the main driver

this issue was raised by Nokia

because the IETF has a similar policy

and we should have a compulsory slide at hte summits like at IETF meetings

but you could argue that things were ambigous in the XSF

jack: yes

good ideads

in ML welcome messages also?

as a next step, I would like to put this document in the "inbox" and have some wider discussion

Nÿco: yes!

Ok

yeah, +1 on wider discussion

sure

+1 for discussion

ok I'll send out a message about this on the standards@ list

BTW this policy would not apply to non-XSF venues

+1 if it does cost me $1000

not cost

e.g., jdev@jabber.org is not an XSF venue because it's hosted at jabber.org, I suppose

right

so we'll need to make that clear, or move the list to xmpp.org, or something

or make an "xdev" list ;-)

anyway, I'll post to the standards@ list about this

next?

next topic, summit #9

yep :)

palce and date?

i assume we need to contact OSCON to get a room reserved?

two summits a year is a lot to manage :)

jack: yes

:)

7/19-7/23 are the OSCON dates

Nÿco: I assume Portland Oregon the week of OSCON

and it's back in portland

yep

who of the board will be there?

much better location

Me

no sure yet...

i'll be there unless something weird happens

I need to be in Maastricht the next week for IETF 78

wierd? To Portland or you?

but I'll manage

will: either :)

not on the board... but i'm trying like heck to be there

stpeter: no XMPP tutorial session this year? :)

jack: probably not

oscon 2010

I will reach out to my O'Reilly friends

fritzy said he might be able to assist with local planning because he's not too far from there

great, that would help a lot

yeah

indeed

I'll see if our Jive friends can help, too

I just pinged my new boss to see if Mozilla has a presence - maybe I can wrangle something with them

something has just come up and i hae to leave. i'll just say that i'm in favor of GSoC this year

ok

i'll catch up on list later today

jack: ok

great

that's it for OSCON?

bear: in past years O'Reilly has been able to give us a room because they book the whole conference center but the first two days are quiet so they have open rooms

yes, that's it

I'll report back about the room

will we do that summit haskfest from friday to monday?

ah

well

at OSCON we've done it differently -- just a two-day meeting

because there is no FOSDEM in between :)

OSCON has a different structure

more "corporate"

I hope I find the funds to attend :)

not the same feeling as FOSDEM

want to see how it's going across the pond?

fosdem with suits my kindof place

Will Sheward: exactly!

Will Sheward: any news on the website? how can we help?

outstading tasks are in jive

oh they are?

just need to parcel up and do

I'm not receiving notifications about those :(

stpeter: yes except ones I've taken rsponsibility for like sponsor pages

OK I'll check out http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/COMM

this is comteam stuff really, board to approve when done

and figure out why I'm not getting poked about these

I don't pay attention to this stuff unless I get an email

Will Sheward: correct

(or an IM)

so, Summer of Code?

sponsors before ?

nyco and I will sort site stuff

yes, sponsors

note: train about to arrive at station

yes, we mogth need to create a version or component

I can try to help with sponsors

Wil have to stop in minute

Will Sheward: yes, sorry

ok

we can discuss on the list

will post sponsor program stuff to board and commteam lists

ok

thanks

great

ok

have a safe ride on the train :)

I had the wifi on my TGV from Paris to Brussels at FOSDEM: pretty stable and fast, amazing

so GSoC?

yes

ok

bear and I chatted about this before the meeting

Nÿco: did you see what client Will Sheward was using? ;-)

no?

ah

you need your client to show you full information :)

why?

[11:35:01] *** Will Sheward (will.sheward@isode.com/oneteam-iphone) has left the room

:)

ok ;-)

:)

so we have 2 more days to submit an application to be an organization for GSOC

ouch

bear?

yep

isn't that you who wanted to write some stuff about it?

I was offering to be the primary lead for GSoC if the board agreed

with mentoring help from stpeter if I got lost :)

+1 from me for that :)

oops, on the phone

i've cleared it with my dayjob and also my wife :)

+1 for me

+2 for that :)

do you need hep from anybody writing the application?

just info that I can get from stpeter's previous application

the hard part will be all the stuff that happens after we are accepted

i have some experience with gsoc from my work at OSAF - but not as organizer

so it's not a completely foreign item to me

cool

maybe you need a team of 2 to 4 people in order to manage that?

I'm thinking that whoever ends up being mentors will be part of that team

ok

and i'll lean on board members for advice and proof-reading and all that

sounds good

but I get the impression it's mostly just calender watching and head thumping

bear: mostly yes

which I'm very good at

ok

if no one objects then I will start by preparing the app and putting it on the list tonight for review

so bear and I will get busy

:)

:)

(once I'm off the phone)

so... all agenda items done? any other business?

not from my side

ok then...

thanks guys

:)

thank you all

Nÿco: I've updated the minutes at etherpad -- could you review them just to be sure?

time to heat up some lunch, brb

seeing no edits, I'll post them to the members list