XSF Discussion - 2010-03-10

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  17. Nÿco ding!
  18. stpeter hey :)
  19. stpeter I'm in the wrong room, I see :)
  20. Nÿco yes?
  21. Nÿco board or here?
  22. stpeter here is fine with me, unless those Board people think they are too special :)
  23. Nÿco we are! ;-)
  24. bear is this the meeting room?
  25. stpeter Nÿco: :)
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  27. Nÿco http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board
  28. stpeter Nÿco: great, I love etherpad!
  29. Nÿco Calling out loud Jask anf Florian!
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  31. Nÿco oh some blue edits ;-)
  32. jack teach me to get lost in a blog post :)
  33. stpeter jack: :)
  34. stpeter BTW we have logging now
  35. Nÿco cool
  36. stpeter http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100310/
  37. Nÿco set the topic to XSF discussion room | Check http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the next scheduled meeting | logs here:
  38. Nÿco set the topic to XSF discussion room | Check http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the next scheduled meeting | logs here: http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100310/
  39. Nÿco sorry ;-)
  40. stpeter we have a Y21xx problem there :)
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  43. Florian are we meeting here?
  44. Nÿco everybody here
  45. stpeter Florian: seems so :)
  46. Florian I thought it was board@
  47. Nÿco 1/ XEP-00000001
  48. stpeter taking minutes at http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board
  49. Nÿco sorry
  50. Nÿco to stpeter, wer'e not so 'special' enough... ;-)
  51. Nÿco let's talk about the mother of all XEPs
  52. jack ok
  53. stpeter heh
  54. jack bangs the gavel
  55. stpeter so Dave Cridland raised some questions about XEP-0001 and it was a bit out of date
  56. stpeter it said we did things one way but in fact we did them another way
  57. stpeter small stuff
  58. jack +1 on all those changes
  59. Florian +1
  60. stpeter http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0001-1.20.html#appendix-revs has the revision history
  61. Nÿco still reading...
  62. stpeter no hurry
  63. stpeter you can post to the list about it
  64. stpeter jack posted the diff, too
  65. Nÿco you don't like "Jabber" anymore... :'(
  66. stpeter I love Jabber, but others don't :P
  67. stpeter however the problem is mostly going away now
  68. Nÿco the most important changes are about time periodss
  69. stpeter which makes me happy :)
  70. stpeter yes
  71. stpeter some of the time periods were just wrong
  72. stpeter e.g., we decided to defer XEPs after 12 months
  73. stpeter but we never updated XEP-0001 about that
  74. stpeter the most significant one is "Changed the holding period for advancement from Draft to Final from 60 days to 6 months."
  75. stpeter but we've never taken less than a few years to push something from Draft to Final :)
  76. Nÿco ok, no objection for me, that's a +1
  77. stpeter and 60 days really is too short!
  78. stpeter ok
  79. Nÿco except "Attention"?
  80. Nÿco Will, do you vote?
  81. stpeter http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0224.html ? that is Draft
  82. Will Sheward +1 on everything ;)
  83. Will Sheward Before conection goes
  84. Nÿco ok
  85. jack Next item, should WIll send us all $1000 each.
  86. bear chuckles
  87. Will Sheward Ahhhhhh
  88. jack ok, patent/copyright policy
  89. Nÿco it's in the meeting notes ;-)
  90. jack i think the document is fine
  91. jack ido think we will need to put NOTE WELL stuff in the official chat rooms and mailing lists e-mails
  92. Will Sheward I've read, no objections here
  93. jack (ie, when you join list/room or when you get a reminder)
  94. stpeter jack: that is the main driver
  95. stpeter this issue was raised by Nokia
  96. stpeter because the IETF has a similar policy
  97. jack and we should have a compulsory slide at hte summits like at IETF meetings
  98. stpeter but you could argue that things were ambigous in the XSF
  99. stpeter jack: yes
  100. Nÿco good ideads
  101. Nÿco in ML welcome messages also?
  102. stpeter as a next step, I would like to put this document in the "inbox" and have some wider discussion
  103. stpeter Nÿco: yes!
  104. Will Sheward Ok
  105. jack yeah, +1 on wider discussion
  106. Nÿco sure
  107. Florian +1 for discussion
  108. stpeter ok I'll send out a message about this on the standards@ list
  109. stpeter BTW this policy would not apply to non-XSF venues
  110. Will Sheward +1 if it does cost me $1000
  111. Will Sheward not cost
  112. stpeter e.g., jdev@jabber.org is not an XSF venue because it's hosted at jabber.org, I suppose
  113. Florian right
  114. stpeter so we'll need to make that clear, or move the list to xmpp.org, or something
  115. stpeter or make an "xdev" list ;-)
  116. stpeter anyway, I'll post to the standards@ list about this
  117. stpeter next?
  118. jack next topic, summit #9
  119. stpeter yep :)
  120. Nÿco palce and date?
  121. jack i assume we need to contact OSCON to get a room reserved?
  122. stpeter two summits a year is a lot to manage :)
  123. stpeter jack: yes
  124. Florian :)
  125. jack 7/19-7/23 are the OSCON dates
  126. stpeter Nÿco: I assume Portland Oregon the week of OSCON
  127. jack and it's back in portland
  128. stpeter yep
  129. Florian who of the board will be there?
  130. stpeter much better location
  131. Will Sheward Me
  132. Nÿco no sure yet...
  133. jack i'll be there unless something weird happens
  134. stpeter I need to be in Maastricht the next week for IETF 78
  135. Will Sheward wierd? To Portland or you?
  136. stpeter but I'll manage
  137. jack will: either :)
  138. bear not on the board... but i'm trying like heck to be there
  139. jack stpeter: no XMPP tutorial session this year? :)
  140. stpeter jack: probably not
  141. Nÿco oscon 2010
  142. stpeter I will reach out to my O'Reilly friends
  143. stpeter fritzy said he might be able to assist with local planning because he's not too far from there
  144. jack great, that would help a lot
  145. stpeter yeah
  146. Florian indeed
  147. stpeter I'll see if our Jive friends can help, too
  148. bear I just pinged my new boss to see if Mozilla has a presence - maybe I can wrangle something with them
  149. jack something has just come up and i hae to leave. i'll just say that i'm in favor of GSoC this year
  150. stpeter ok
  151. jack i'll catch up on list later today
  152. stpeter jack: ok
  153. Florian great
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  155. Nÿco that's it for OSCON?
  156. stpeter bear: in past years O'Reilly has been able to give us a room because they book the whole conference center but the first two days are quiet so they have open rooms
  157. stpeter yes, that's it
  158. stpeter I'll report back about the room
  159. Nÿco will we do that summit haskfest from friday to monday?
  160. stpeter ah
  161. stpeter well
  162. stpeter at OSCON we've done it differently -- just a two-day meeting
  163. stpeter because there is no FOSDEM in between :)
  164. stpeter OSCON has a different structure
  165. stpeter more "corporate"
  166. Florian I hope I find the funds to attend :)
  167. stpeter not the same feeling as FOSDEM
  168. Florian want to see how it's going across the pond?
  169. Will Sheward fosdem with suits my kindof place
  170. stpeter Will Sheward: exactly!
  171. stpeter Will Sheward: any news on the website? how can we help?
  172. Will Sheward outstading tasks are in jive
  173. stpeter oh they are?
  174. Will Sheward just need to parcel up and do
  175. stpeter I'm not receiving notifications about those :(
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  177. Will Sheward stpeter: yes except ones I've taken rsponsibility for like sponsor pages
  178. stpeter OK I'll check out http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/COMM
  179. Will Sheward this is comteam stuff really, board to approve when done
  180. stpeter and figure out why I'm not getting poked about these
  181. stpeter I don't pay attention to this stuff unless I get an email
  182. stpeter Will Sheward: correct
  183. stpeter (or an IM)
  184. stpeter so, Summer of Code?
  185. Nÿco sponsors before ?
  186. Will Sheward nyco and I will sort site stuff
  187. stpeter yes, sponsors
  188. Will Sheward note: train about to arrive at station
  189. Nÿco yes, we mogth need to create a version or component
  190. Florian I can try to help with sponsors
  191. Will Sheward Wil have to stop in minute
  192. stpeter Will Sheward: yes, sorry
  193. Nÿco ok
  194. stpeter we can discuss on the list
  195. Will Sheward will post sponsor program stuff to board and commteam lists
  196. stpeter ok
  197. stpeter thanks
  198. Florian great
  199. Nÿco ok
  200. stpeter have a safe ride on the train :)
  201. Nÿco I had the wifi on my TGV from Paris to Brussels at FOSDEM: pretty stable and fast, amazing
  202. stpeter so GSoC?
  203. Nÿco yes
  204. stpeter ok
  205. stpeter bear and I chatted about this before the meeting
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  207. stpeter Nÿco: did you see what client Will Sheward was using? ;-)
  208. Nÿco no?
  209. stpeter ah
  210. stpeter you need your client to show you full information :)
  211. Nÿco why?
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  213. stpeter :)
  214. Nÿco ok ;-)
  215. Florian :)
  216. bear laughs
  217. stpeter so we have 2 more days to submit an application to be an organization for GSOC
  218. Nÿco ouch
  219. Nÿco bear?
  220. bear yep
  221. Nÿco isn't that you who wanted to write some stuff about it?
  222. bear I was offering to be the primary lead for GSoC if the board agreed
  223. bear with mentoring help from stpeter if I got lost :)
  224. Florian +1 from me for that :)
  225. stpeter oops, on the phone
  226. bear i've cleared it with my dayjob and also my wife :)
  227. Nÿco +1 for me
  228. Florian +2 for that :)
  229. Nÿco do you need hep from anybody writing the application?
  230. bear just info that I can get from stpeter's previous application
  231. bear the hard part will be all the stuff that happens after we are accepted
  232. bear i have some experience with gsoc from my work at OSAF - but not as organizer
  233. bear so it's not a completely foreign item to me
  234. Nÿco cool
  235. Nÿco maybe you need a team of 2 to 4 people in order to manage that?
  236. bear I'm thinking that whoever ends up being mentors will be part of that team
  237. Nÿco ok
  238. bear and i'll lean on board members for advice and proof-reading and all that
  239. Florian sounds good
  240. bear but I get the impression it's mostly just calender watching and head thumping
  241. stpeter bear: mostly yes
  242. bear which I'm very good at
  243. stpeter ok
  244. bear if no one objects then I will start by preparing the app and putting it on the list tonight for review
  245. stpeter so bear and I will get busy
  246. bear :)
  247. Florian :)
  248. stpeter (once I'm off the phone)
  249. Nÿco so... all agenda items done? any other business?
  250. Florian not from my side
  251. Nÿco ok then...
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  254. stpeter thanks guys
  255. bear :)
  256. Nÿco thank you all
  257. stpeter Nÿco: I've updated the minutes at etherpad -- could you review them just to be sure?
  258. stpeter time to heat up some lunch, brb
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  260. stpeter seeing no edits, I'll post them to the members list
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