XSF Discussion - 2010-03-10

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  18. stpeter

    hey :)

  19. stpeter

    I'm in the wrong room, I see :)

  20. Nÿco


  21. Nÿco

    board or here?

  22. stpeter

    here is fine with me, unless those Board people think they are too special :)

  23. Nÿco

    we are! ;-)

  24. bear

    is this the meeting room?

  25. stpeter

    Nÿco: :)

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  28. stpeter

    Nÿco: great, I love etherpad!

  29. Nÿco

    Calling out loud Jask anf Florian!

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  31. Nÿco

    oh some blue edits ;-)

  32. jack

    teach me to get lost in a blog post :)

  33. stpeter

    jack: :)

  34. stpeter

    BTW we have logging now

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    XSF discussion room | Check http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the next scheduled meeting | logs here:

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    XSF discussion room | Check http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the next scheduled meeting | logs here: http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100310/

  39. Nÿco

    sorry ;-)

  40. stpeter

    we have a Y21xx problem there :)

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    XSF discussion room | Check http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the next scheduled meeting | logs here: http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/

  43. Florian

    are we meeting here?

  44. Nÿco

    everybody here

  45. stpeter

    Florian: seems so :)

  46. Florian

    I thought it was board@

  47. Nÿco

    1/ XEP-00000001

  48. stpeter

    taking minutes at http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board

  49. Nÿco


  50. Nÿco

    to stpeter, wer'e not so 'special' enough... ;-)

  51. Nÿco

    let's talk about the mother of all XEPs

  52. jack


  53. stpeter


  54. jack bangs the gavel

  55. stpeter

    so Dave Cridland raised some questions about XEP-0001 and it was a bit out of date

  56. stpeter

    it said we did things one way but in fact we did them another way

  57. stpeter

    small stuff

  58. jack

    +1 on all those changes

  59. Florian


  60. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0001-1.20.html#appendix-revs has the revision history

  61. Nÿco

    still reading...

  62. stpeter

    no hurry

  63. stpeter

    you can post to the list about it

  64. stpeter

    jack posted the diff, too

  65. Nÿco

    you don't like "Jabber" anymore... :'(

  66. stpeter

    I love Jabber, but others don't :P

  67. stpeter

    however the problem is mostly going away now

  68. Nÿco

    the most important changes are about time periodss

  69. stpeter

    which makes me happy :)

  70. stpeter


  71. stpeter

    some of the time periods were just wrong

  72. stpeter

    e.g., we decided to defer XEPs after 12 months

  73. stpeter

    but we never updated XEP-0001 about that

  74. stpeter

    the most significant one is "Changed the holding period for advancement from Draft to Final from 60 days to 6 months."

  75. stpeter

    but we've never taken less than a few years to push something from Draft to Final :)

  76. Nÿco

    ok, no objection for me, that's a +1

  77. stpeter

    and 60 days really is too short!

  78. stpeter


  79. Nÿco

    except "Attention"?

  80. Nÿco

    Will, do you vote?

  81. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0224.html ? that is Draft

  82. Will Sheward

    +1 on everything ;)

  83. Will Sheward

    Before conection goes

  84. Nÿco


  85. jack

    Next item, should WIll send us all $1000 each.

  86. bear chuckles

  87. Will Sheward


  88. jack

    ok, patent/copyright policy

  89. Nÿco

    it's in the meeting notes ;-)

  90. jack

    i think the document is fine

  91. jack

    ido think we will need to put NOTE WELL stuff in the official chat rooms and mailing lists e-mails

  92. Will Sheward

    I've read, no objections here

  93. jack

    (ie, when you join list/room or when you get a reminder)

  94. stpeter

    jack: that is the main driver

  95. stpeter

    this issue was raised by Nokia

  96. stpeter

    because the IETF has a similar policy

  97. jack

    and we should have a compulsory slide at hte summits like at IETF meetings

  98. stpeter

    but you could argue that things were ambigous in the XSF

  99. stpeter

    jack: yes

  100. Nÿco

    good ideads

  101. Nÿco

    in ML welcome messages also?

  102. stpeter

    as a next step, I would like to put this document in the "inbox" and have some wider discussion

  103. stpeter

    Nÿco: yes!

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  105. jack

    yeah, +1 on wider discussion

  106. Nÿco


  107. Florian

    +1 for discussion

  108. stpeter

    ok I'll send out a message about this on the standards@ list

  109. stpeter

    BTW this policy would not apply to non-XSF venues

  110. Will Sheward

    +1 if it does cost me $1000

  111. Will Sheward

    not cost

  112. stpeter

    e.g., jdev@jabber.org is not an XSF venue because it's hosted at jabber.org, I suppose

  113. Florian


  114. stpeter

    so we'll need to make that clear, or move the list to xmpp.org, or something

  115. stpeter

    or make an "xdev" list ;-)

  116. stpeter

    anyway, I'll post to the standards@ list about this

  117. stpeter


  118. jack

    next topic, summit #9

  119. stpeter

    yep :)

  120. Nÿco

    palce and date?

  121. jack

    i assume we need to contact OSCON to get a room reserved?

  122. stpeter

    two summits a year is a lot to manage :)

  123. stpeter

    jack: yes

  124. Florian


  125. jack

    7/19-7/23 are the OSCON dates

  126. stpeter

    Nÿco: I assume Portland Oregon the week of OSCON

  127. jack

    and it's back in portland

  128. stpeter


  129. Florian

    who of the board will be there?

  130. stpeter

    much better location

  131. Will Sheward


  132. Nÿco

    no sure yet...

  133. jack

    i'll be there unless something weird happens

  134. stpeter

    I need to be in Maastricht the next week for IETF 78

  135. Will Sheward

    wierd? To Portland or you?

  136. stpeter

    but I'll manage

  137. jack

    will: either :)

  138. bear

    not on the board... but i'm trying like heck to be there

  139. jack

    stpeter: no XMPP tutorial session this year? :)

  140. stpeter

    jack: probably not

  141. Nÿco

    oscon 2010

  142. stpeter

    I will reach out to my O'Reilly friends

  143. stpeter

    fritzy said he might be able to assist with local planning because he's not too far from there

  144. jack

    great, that would help a lot

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  146. Florian


  147. stpeter

    I'll see if our Jive friends can help, too

  148. bear

    I just pinged my new boss to see if Mozilla has a presence - maybe I can wrangle something with them

  149. jack

    something has just come up and i hae to leave. i'll just say that i'm in favor of GSoC this year

  150. stpeter


  151. jack

    i'll catch up on list later today

  152. stpeter

    jack: ok

  153. Florian


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  155. Nÿco

    that's it for OSCON?

  156. stpeter

    bear: in past years O'Reilly has been able to give us a room because they book the whole conference center but the first two days are quiet so they have open rooms

  157. stpeter

    yes, that's it

  158. stpeter

    I'll report back about the room

  159. Nÿco

    will we do that summit haskfest from friday to monday?

  160. stpeter


  161. stpeter


  162. stpeter

    at OSCON we've done it differently -- just a two-day meeting

  163. stpeter

    because there is no FOSDEM in between :)

  164. stpeter

    OSCON has a different structure

  165. stpeter

    more "corporate"

  166. Florian

    I hope I find the funds to attend :)

  167. stpeter

    not the same feeling as FOSDEM

  168. Florian

    want to see how it's going across the pond?

  169. Will Sheward

    fosdem with suits my kindof place

  170. stpeter

    Will Sheward: exactly!

  171. stpeter

    Will Sheward: any news on the website? how can we help?

  172. Will Sheward

    outstading tasks are in jive

  173. stpeter

    oh they are?

  174. Will Sheward

    just need to parcel up and do

  175. stpeter

    I'm not receiving notifications about those :(

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  177. Will Sheward

    stpeter: yes except ones I've taken rsponsibility for like sponsor pages

  178. stpeter

    OK I'll check out http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/COMM

  179. Will Sheward

    this is comteam stuff really, board to approve when done

  180. stpeter

    and figure out why I'm not getting poked about these

  181. stpeter

    I don't pay attention to this stuff unless I get an email

  182. stpeter

    Will Sheward: correct

  183. stpeter

    (or an IM)

  184. stpeter

    so, Summer of Code?

  185. Nÿco

    sponsors before ?

  186. Will Sheward

    nyco and I will sort site stuff

  187. stpeter

    yes, sponsors

  188. Will Sheward

    note: train about to arrive at station

  189. Nÿco

    yes, we mogth need to create a version or component

  190. Florian

    I can try to help with sponsors

  191. Will Sheward

    Wil have to stop in minute

  192. stpeter

    Will Sheward: yes, sorry

  193. Nÿco


  194. stpeter

    we can discuss on the list

  195. Will Sheward

    will post sponsor program stuff to board and commteam lists

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  200. stpeter

    have a safe ride on the train :)

  201. Nÿco

    I had the wifi on my TGV from Paris to Brussels at FOSDEM: pretty stable and fast, amazing

  202. stpeter

    so GSoC?

  203. Nÿco


  204. stpeter


  205. stpeter

    bear and I chatted about this before the meeting

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  207. stpeter

    Nÿco: did you see what client Will Sheward was using? ;-)

  208. Nÿco


  209. stpeter


  210. stpeter

    you need your client to show you full information :)

  211. Nÿco


  212. stpeter

    [11:35:01] *** Will Sheward (will.sheward@isode.com/oneteam-iphone) has left the room

  213. stpeter


  214. Nÿco

    ok ;-)

  215. Florian


  216. bear laughs

  217. stpeter

    so we have 2 more days to submit an application to be an organization for GSOC

  218. Nÿco


  219. Nÿco


  220. bear


  221. Nÿco

    isn't that you who wanted to write some stuff about it?

  222. bear

    I was offering to be the primary lead for GSoC if the board agreed

  223. bear

    with mentoring help from stpeter if I got lost :)

  224. Florian

    +1 from me for that :)

  225. stpeter

    oops, on the phone

  226. bear

    i've cleared it with my dayjob and also my wife :)

  227. Nÿco

    +1 for me

  228. Florian

    +2 for that :)

  229. Nÿco

    do you need hep from anybody writing the application?

  230. bear

    just info that I can get from stpeter's previous application

  231. bear

    the hard part will be all the stuff that happens after we are accepted

  232. bear

    i have some experience with gsoc from my work at OSAF - but not as organizer

  233. bear

    so it's not a completely foreign item to me

  234. Nÿco


  235. Nÿco

    maybe you need a team of 2 to 4 people in order to manage that?

  236. bear

    I'm thinking that whoever ends up being mentors will be part of that team

  237. Nÿco


  238. bear

    and i'll lean on board members for advice and proof-reading and all that

  239. Florian

    sounds good

  240. bear

    but I get the impression it's mostly just calender watching and head thumping

  241. stpeter

    bear: mostly yes

  242. bear

    which I'm very good at

  243. stpeter


  244. bear

    if no one objects then I will start by preparing the app and putting it on the list tonight for review

  245. stpeter

    so bear and I will get busy

  246. bear


  247. Florian


  248. stpeter

    (once I'm off the phone)

  249. Nÿco

    so... all agenda items done? any other business?

  250. Florian

    not from my side

  251. Nÿco

    ok then...

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  254. stpeter

    thanks guys

  255. bear


  256. Nÿco

    thank you all

  257. stpeter

    Nÿco: I've updated the minutes at etherpad -- could you review them just to be sure?

  258. stpeter

    time to heat up some lunch, brb

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  260. stpeter

    seeing no edits, I'll post them to the members list

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