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Nÿcosorry ;-)
stpeterwe have a Y21xx problem there :)
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Florianare we meeting here?
Nÿcoeverybody here
stpeterFlorian: seems so :)
FlorianI thought it was board@
Nÿco1/ XEP-00000001
stpetertaking minutes at http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board
Nÿcosorry
Nÿcoto stpeter, wer'e not so 'special' enough... ;-)
Nÿcolet's talk about the mother of all XEPs
jackok
stpeterheh
jackbangs the gavel
stpeterso Dave Cridland raised some questions about XEP-0001 and it was a bit out of date
stpeterit said we did things one way but in fact we did them another way
stpetersmall stuff
jack+1 on all those changes
Florian+1
stpeterhttp://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0001-1.20.html#appendix-revs has the revision history
Nÿcostill reading...
stpeterno hurry
stpeteryou can post to the list about it
stpeterjack posted the diff, too
Nÿcoyou don't like "Jabber" anymore... :'(
stpeterI love Jabber, but others don't :P
stpeterhowever the problem is mostly going away now
Nÿcothe most important changes are about time periodss
stpeterwhich makes me happy :)
stpeteryes
stpetersome of the time periods were just wrong
stpetere.g., we decided to defer XEPs after 12 months
stpeterbut we never updated XEP-0001 about that
stpeterthe most significant one is "Changed the holding period for advancement from Draft to Final from 60 days to 6 months."
stpeterbut we've never taken less than a few years to push something from Draft to Final :)
Nÿcook, no objection for me, that's a +1
stpeterand 60 days really is too short!
stpeterok
Nÿcoexcept "Attention"?
NÿcoWill, do you vote?
stpeterhttp://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0224.html ? that is Draft
Will Sheward+1 on everything ;)
Will ShewardBefore conection goes
Nÿcook
jackNext item, should WIll send us all $1000 each.
bearchuckles
Will ShewardAhhhhhh
jackok, patent/copyright policy
Nÿcoit's in the meeting notes ;-)
jacki think the document is fine
jackido think we will need to put NOTE WELL stuff in the official chat rooms and mailing lists e-mails
Will ShewardI've read, no objections here
jack(ie, when you join list/room or when you get a reminder)
stpeterjack: that is the main driver
stpeterthis issue was raised by Nokia
stpeterbecause the IETF has a similar policy
jackand we should have a compulsory slide at hte summits like at IETF meetings
stpeterbut you could argue that things were ambigous in the XSF
stpeterjack: yes
Nÿcogood ideads
Nÿcoin ML welcome messages also?
stpeteras a next step, I would like to put this document in the "inbox" and have some wider discussion
stpeterNÿco: yes!
Will ShewardOk
jackyeah, +1 on wider discussion
Nÿcosure
Florian+1 for discussion
stpeterok I'll send out a message about this on the standards@ list
stpeterBTW this policy would not apply to non-XSF venues
Will Sheward+1 if it does cost me $1000
Will Shewardnot cost
stpetere.g., jdev@jabber.org is not an XSF venue because it's hosted at jabber.org, I suppose
Florianright
stpeterso we'll need to make that clear, or move the list to xmpp.org, or something
stpeteror make an "xdev" list ;-)
stpeteranyway, I'll post to the standards@ list about this
stpeternext?
jacknext topic, summit #9
stpeteryep :)
Nÿcopalce and date?
jacki assume we need to contact OSCON to get a room reserved?
stpetertwo summits a year is a lot to manage :)
stpeterjack: yes
Florian:)
jack7/19-7/23 are the OSCON dates
stpeterNÿco: I assume Portland Oregon the week of OSCON
jackand it's back in portland
stpeteryep
Florianwho of the board will be there?
stpetermuch better location
Will ShewardMe
Nÿcono sure yet...
jacki'll be there unless something weird happens
stpeterI need to be in Maastricht the next week for IETF 78
Will Shewardwierd? To Portland or you?
stpeterbut I'll manage
jackwill: either :)
bearnot on the board... but i'm trying like heck to be there
jackstpeter: no XMPP tutorial session this year? :)
stpeterjack: probably not
Nÿcooscon 2010
stpeterI will reach out to my O'Reilly friends
stpeterfritzy said he might be able to assist with local planning because he's not too far from there
jackgreat, that would help a lot
stpeteryeah
Florianindeed
stpeterI'll see if our Jive friends can help, too
bearI just pinged my new boss to see if Mozilla has a presence - maybe I can wrangle something with them
jacksomething has just come up and i hae to leave. i'll just say that i'm in favor of GSoC this year
stpeterok
jacki'll catch up on list later today
stpeterjack: ok
Floriangreat
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Nÿcothat's it for OSCON?
stpeterbear: in past years O'Reilly has been able to give us a room because they book the whole conference center but the first two days are quiet so they have open rooms
stpeteryes, that's it
stpeterI'll report back about the room
Nÿcowill we do that summit haskfest from friday to monday?
stpeterah
stpeterwell
stpeterat OSCON we've done it differently -- just a two-day meeting
stpeterbecause there is no FOSDEM in between :)
stpeterOSCON has a different structure
stpetermore "corporate"
FlorianI hope I find the funds to attend :)
stpeternot the same feeling as FOSDEM
Florianwant to see how it's going across the pond?
Will Shewardfosdem with suits my kindof place
stpeterWill Sheward: exactly!
stpeterWill Sheward: any news on the website? how can we help?
Will Shewardoutstading tasks are in jive
stpeteroh they are?
Will Shewardjust need to parcel up and do
stpeterI'm not receiving notifications about those :(
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Will Shewardstpeter: yes except ones I've taken rsponsibility for like sponsor pages
stpeterOK I'll check out http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/COMM
Will Shewardthis is comteam stuff really, board to approve when done
stpeterand figure out why I'm not getting poked about these
stpeterI don't pay attention to this stuff unless I get an email
stpeterWill Sheward: correct
stpeter(or an IM)
stpeterso, Summer of Code?
Nÿcosponsors before ?
Will Shewardnyco and I will sort site stuff
stpeteryes, sponsors
Will Shewardnote: train about to arrive at station
Nÿcoyes, we mogth need to create a version or component
FlorianI can try to help with sponsors
Will ShewardWil have to stop in minute
stpeterWill Sheward: yes, sorry
Nÿcook
stpeterwe can discuss on the list
Will Shewardwill post sponsor program stuff to board and commteam lists
stpeterok
stpeterthanks
Floriangreat
Nÿcook
stpeterhave a safe ride on the train :)
NÿcoI had the wifi on my TGV from Paris to Brussels at FOSDEM: pretty stable and fast, amazing
stpeterso GSoC?
Nÿcoyes
stpeterok
stpeterbear and I chatted about this before the meeting
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stpeterNÿco: did you see what client Will Sheward was using? ;-)
Nÿcono?
stpeterah
stpeteryou need your client to show you full information :)
Nÿcowhy?
stpeter[11:35:01] *** Will Sheward (will.sheward@isode.com/oneteam-iphone) has left the room
stpeter:)
Nÿcook ;-)
Florian:)
bearlaughs
stpeterso we have 2 more days to submit an application to be an organization for GSOC
Nÿcoouch
Nÿcobear?
bearyep
Nÿcoisn't that you who wanted to write some stuff about it?
bearI was offering to be the primary lead for GSoC if the board agreed
bearwith mentoring help from stpeter if I got lost :)
Florian+1 from me for that :)
stpeteroops, on the phone
beari've cleared it with my dayjob and also my wife :)
Nÿco+1 for me
Florian+2 for that :)
Nÿcodo you need hep from anybody writing the application?
bearjust info that I can get from stpeter's previous application
bearthe hard part will be all the stuff that happens after we are accepted
beari have some experience with gsoc from my work at OSAF - but not as organizer
bearso it's not a completely foreign item to me
Nÿcocool
Nÿcomaybe you need a team of 2 to 4 people in order to manage that?
bearI'm thinking that whoever ends up being mentors will be part of that team
Nÿcook
bearand i'll lean on board members for advice and proof-reading and all that
Floriansounds good
bearbut I get the impression it's mostly just calender watching and head thumping
stpeterbear: mostly yes
bearwhich I'm very good at
stpeterok
bearif no one objects then I will start by preparing the app and putting it on the list tonight for review
stpeterso bear and I will get busy
bear:)
Florian:)
stpeter(once I'm off the phone)
Nÿcoso... all agenda items done? any other business?
Floriannot from my side
Nÿcook then...
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stpeterthanks guys
bear:)
Nÿcothank you all
stpeterNÿco: I've updated the minutes at etherpad -- could you review them just to be sure?
stpetertime to heat up some lunch, brb
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stpeterseeing no edits, I'll post them to the members list
XSF Discussion - 2010-03-10