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koski
dudes, what's the current url to the JIRA ?
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koski
All the ones i found/bookmarked do not work anymore.
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Kev
Jira's not running at the moment.
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Kev
Bear's going to upgrade and bring it back when he's got a moment.
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koski
ok
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koski
Thanks.
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Neustradamus
hi all, can you update mediawiki ?
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stpeter
heh, I just noticed this in the council logs: [14:02:24] <bear> wow - the more I do with GSoC the more I see that needs to be done. I have no idea how you managed to do this solo in the past! [14:02:30] *bear hugs stpeter thanks, bear!
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zooldk@gmail.com
the tech review meeting is in 5 min, right?
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stpeter
yes
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stpeter
at least, so says my calendar
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zooldk@gmail.com
good... phew.. thought I was late..
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stpeter
:)
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koski
beer o'clock here so i have time to get a pint
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zooldk@gmail.com
me too.. mmmm good stout! :-)
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koski
It's time?
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zooldk@gmail.com
+1
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Florian
+1
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koski
+1
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Neustradamus
I am here but I am not in tech review team
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stpeter
ok so who is in charge?
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zooldk@gmail.com
shouldn't it be Fabio Forno, the team lead?.. but I assume he is not here?
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koski
Fabio should but He does not seem to be here.
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stpeter
I put koski in charge for today :)
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zooldk@gmail.com
+1
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zooldk@gmail.com
:-)
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zooldk@gmail.com
BTW: Jira is still down?.. still because of the security flaw?
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stpeter
he said: Now, what should we discuss during the meeting? Should we prepare a list to make it successful? Here are my thoughts: * How to use the created tool Jira better? * How could we help stPeter more? (it seems to me that people still wait actions from stPeter). * Decide witch XEPs we could concentrate and how to follow those "projects" (what was done right with http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html and what was done wrong).
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stpeter
I think the Jira flaw applies only to Apache
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stpeter
and we use lighttpd
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koski
OK, let's start then.
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zooldk@gmail.com
ok.. but it is still down
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stpeter
bear said he would upgrade it
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koski
[19:52:44] <Kev> Jira's not running at the moment. [19:52:52] <Kev> Bear's going to upgrade and bring it back when he's got a moment.
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zooldk@gmail.com
unless someone changed the address
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zooldk@gmail.com
ok
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koski
Yes. It's still down. Anybody part of the technical team to who could give bear a hand in this? I think he might be busy with the gSOC
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zooldk@gmail.com
its probably just a tomcat that needs to be turned around, together with lighthttpd
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koski
OK, zooldk@gmail.com you are familiar with this stuff? Could you contact beer later on when you have time to ask if he needs a hand? (i'm afraid i'm useless in those admin stuff)
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stpeter
koski: Kev and I will lean on bear and if he doesn't have time we'll find someone else to help
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zooldk@gmail.com
yeah.. but I have no admin or insight in our infrastructure. But I know jira pretty well from work.. And we are using tomcat as a servlet container.
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koski
stpeter: sounds like a plan!
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koski
ok, next - When the Jira is back, how can we use it better?
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: great
- stpeter just poked the iteam list
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koski
Step number one: start using it?
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zooldk@gmail.com
how about sending out mails from jira when someone has filed an issue?..
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stpeter
that already works
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zooldk@gmail.com
to the correct group.. in our case the techreview, when an issue is filed there
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bear
bah - I *knew* I was supposed to do something last night besides go to bed early
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stpeter
hmm
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stpeter
bear: heh
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koski
bear: hah
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: does it also send out mail to techreview when new one are arriving?.. have not seen one yeat
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zooldk@gmail.com
yet
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bear
i'm in a bunch of remote meetings today - i'll multitask on it while I look like i'm listening
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stpeter
bear: zooldk (Steffen Larsen) said he can help if needed
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: sure no problem..
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stpeter
Tobias: your client is spamming me with tunes updates :P
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Tobias
stpeter: yeah...you know a person who could take care of that? :) i've been hearing there's someone working on psi over the summer
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bear
stpeter - I will for sure raise the "help!" flag if I cannot do it in the next 3 hours
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stpeter
bear: ok thanks!
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zooldk@gmail.com
bear: cool
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koski
great.
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bear
it would be nice to have backup anyways - gsoc may make me rather busy in a couple weeks
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stpeter
nod
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Tobias
stpeter: but hey, i can hardly be worse than identi.ca :)
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stpeter
as to using Jira, it would be good to log more tickets, but I think the main problem we face is editing the specs / schemas / etc. based on the tickets
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stpeter
i.e., finding people who are comfortable editing the documents
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koski
stpeter: yes, i was just about to write the same thing.
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koski
How ever the good thing with Jira is that the ticket is always assigned to someone, so we know who is "on it".
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zooldk@gmail.com
jira probably fit the infrastructure guys better, than this..
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: jup..
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koski
We should add posts like this to jira: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2010-April/023371.html
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Tobias
stpeter: i think with a different versioning system we could make collaboration to the XEPs easier, collaboration of any kind
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stpeter
Tobias: do you think it would really help to use git?
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zooldk@gmail.com
or mercurial.. its nice to have local commits... But I do not think that it will help that much
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koski
Tobias, good point taken. Could you please write a mail about that to mailing list to start discussion about that?
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Tobias
stpeter: it makes collaboration easier; ideally the changes just need to be reviewed shortly and can go online :)
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koski
We are hardly not reaching decicion about that in this meeting. what do you think?
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Tobias
koski: it's already in the works :)
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koski
ok :) great
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stpeter
fixing up Experimental specs is easy, but we have more process for fixing up Draft & Final specs
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stpeter
because the Council needs to approve things
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Tobias
just ask Kev hard enough until he does it :) it's on his todo
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bear
hmm, I need sudo privs on athena to do some of this
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stpeter
bear: please hold
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zooldk@gmail.com
how about making different states then in jira, for a workflow?.. for moving the spec along in exp. , to draft, to final etc.
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stpeter
or ask Kev, isn't he team lead for Infrastructure? ;-)
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koski
stpeter: heh, i was thinking the same.
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stpeter
I think that most of the bug reports we get are for Draft and Final specs
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bear
yea, my plea was more pointed to him than the active folks
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stpeter
ideally, using Jira would enable us to move more quickly, or at least keep better track of things
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: I agree
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stpeter
but that's ideally :)
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bear
oh wait - duh - /me reads his own README
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stpeter
heh
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bear
ok, jira up
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stpeter
woot!
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bear
i'll start working on the upgrades after you guys clear the back log
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koski
Ok, so should we make a "rule of thumb" that every time a mailing thread leads to some short of "consensus" we create a jira ticket out of it?
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koski
Mazel Tov!
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bear
stpeter: do you have the login info for my.atlassian.com for the xsf?
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bear
I will need to generate a new key for 4.* jira
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stpeter
bear: I think that data is in /root/ on athena or somesuch
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stpeter
bear, it's at /home/atlassian
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bear
?? /me looks
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bear
wow - am I the master of not seeing the obvious today
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bear
thanks
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stpeter
:)
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stpeter
koski: I think it might work the other way -- people submit tickets, we have list discussion or groupchat or whatever, then update the ticket with the consensus (text, schema fix, etc.)
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koski
stpeter: good point.
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stpeter
e.g., the other someone poked me about a feature that is missing from XEP-0249
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koski
(i just tried to create a ticket. I cannot modify it and it got directly assigned to stpeter.
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stpeter
i.e., XEP-0249 doesn't support <continue/> (as XEP-0045 does)
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stpeter
koski: http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/SPEC-11 ?
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koski
Yep.
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koski
stpeter: sorry, i did not mean to assign it to you. :)
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zooldk@gmail.com
hey its up and running
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stpeter
koski: it seems that all spec issues are automatically assigned to me
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koski
You want to change this? :)
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koski
Should we took couple of guys who would be the default assignee's and those guys would take care that the created tickets are discussed in the mailing list, chatroom, etc?
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zooldk@gmail.com
could be a good idea..
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koski
And not turned out to be "zombies".
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zooldk@gmail.com
to take the load off
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stpeter
koski: I just made you a project administrator for the SPEC project
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stpeter
so I think we need to assign roles to more people
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stpeter
e.g., everyone on the tech review team should be a developer on the SPEC issues project
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koski
ok, cool. I was just about to write that i have an half an hour per week to give time to take a look at the tickets and give a push to them.
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: really good idea
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stpeter
that means you can edit issues, etc.
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koski
stpeter: good point.
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stpeter
I don't know how to change the default assignee
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: are you registered at the tracker site?
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koski
stpeter: should i be able to edit the ticket?
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stpeter
koski: I thinjk so
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: I am on the jira site
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koski
it seems that i only got "Delete" option more.
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zooldk@gmail.com
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Managing+Project+Role+Membership
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koski
Do you guys think it would make sense to have that "assign this ticket to me" option enabled? At least i don't have it.
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: I just have to remember the user/pass.. just got a new laptop! :-)
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koski
I think that's the one of the best part in jira: it's always clear who is or at least should be "working on it"
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stpeter
koski: I think so
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stpeter
but I'm not sure how to do that
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koski
stpeter: i'm no jira admin either. sorry.
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stpeter
maybe bear knows :)
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koski
stpeter: was hoping the same.
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: what are you looking for?
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koski
We could change the "Component/s:" field to XEP . What do you guys think?
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stpeter
?
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zooldk@gmail.com
+1
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koski
zooldk@gmail.com: that I could assign a ticket to me or modify it.
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stpeter
not sure what the Components field is
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koski
stpeter: when creating a ticket, it asks for a "component".
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koski
http://athena.jabber.org:18081/browse/SPEC-11
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koski
if you check that, now the "component/s" "versions" and "fix versions" are empty.
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koski
or "None".
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zooldk@gmail.com
we are using component for defining the piece of area/part of software we are working on..
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koski
The component at least does not serve a purpose for us, right?
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zooldk@gmail.com
so for us it could be: core, xep etc.
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stpeter
also might be schemas, registries, perhaps some others
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zooldk@gmail.com
or we could define each XEP as a component.. its then easier to filter in jira
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: yes
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zooldk@gmail.com
depends of the level of detail
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koski
OK. Maybe we leave that to the future and see first how we start to use the Jira. What do you think guys?
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zooldk@gmail.com
yes.. because now we only have a few issue
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koski
To start working with Jira, i think we need help from Bear or other admins to help us to set the rights correclty. So that others can modify/close and work with the tickets than stpeter. stpeter do you agree?
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zooldk@gmail.com
issues
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koski
stpeter: i have understood you are busy busy busy lately with the IETF. Right?
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stpeter
koski: yes, we need to distribute the permissions so that more people can do things
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stpeter
koski: I always have a little time, but not very much right now
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stpeter
however, I want to help the tech review team succeed because otherwise people will depend on me to do things, and if I don't do them our work will stall
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: plus one on that one..
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: you need help of course..
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koski
stpeter: noted. That's why i'm ready to help you. But i know that the first steps to start moving stuff to someone else's responsibility usually takes a bit more time.
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stpeter
although sometimes I think it would be good to take a rest for a few years so that developers could catch up with all the specs ;-)
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koski
stpeter: :-D
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zooldk@gmail.com
me hungry... need food
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stpeter
koski: you should have admin privs for the SPEC project now, so hopefully you can make some people Developers
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stpeter
waqas: I can make you a Developer too :P
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stpeter
waqas: which ones?
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koski
stpeter: let me check what i can break after this MUC Meeting
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stpeter
koski: ok
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waqas
stpeter: I have been gathering feedback on a number of specs. MUC included.
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stpeter
waqas: ok good
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stpeter
waqas: I have lots of edits on MUC but I haven't entered them yet :(
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stpeter
maybe I should scan them in :P
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zooldk@gmail.com
i have some stuff about muji (multi-user jingle).. who is up for discussing that at some time?
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: yeah that needs a lot of work
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: yup.. alot.
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stpeter
I poked the Collabora guys about that in January or so, but no progress yet
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stpeter
if I had the time I'd be tempted just to start editing the spec :P
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: but we do not have to wait for them..
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zooldk@gmail.com
BTW: anyone know which GSOC project that was accepted?
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stpeter
bear knows :)
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bear
it's at the bottom of this page: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/xsf
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zooldk@gmail.com
ha ha.. shh.. don't disturb him :-)
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bear
:)
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koski
What do you guys say that if i write to the review-team mailing list descriptions about how the components could be named: XEP, Core, etc... Then we could assign Leaders to all these "components". The leader of the component would take care that there is any ticket that becomes a zombie.
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zooldk@gmail.com
bear: thanks.. interesting
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stpeter
koski: I think most of the tickets will be about XEPs, and a few will be about schemas or registries
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: yes.. my ideas as well.. Maybe we can use some of the stuff we already have as interests on the wiki: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Review_team .. like: jingle, core, s2s, scalability, pubsub, etc.
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stpeter
nod
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koski
zooldk@gmail.com: good idea.
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stpeter
that might be more useful
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stpeter
so someone to watch over Jingle stuff, someone else for BOSH, and so on
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: si! :-)
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stpeter
see also http://xmpp.org/tech/
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koski
ok, great. zooldk@gmail.com could you write about this to the mailing list? You seem to have good idea about that.
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski... ok. I'll do that later today then.
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koski
i could too ofcourse, but it's stupid for me to write badly a good idea to the mailing list :)
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koski
I'm not lazy! :)
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: no prob.
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: can I do these components in jira as well?.. or will you?
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koski
zooldk@gmail.com: let's do couple based on the mail as a example for people and then let's finish them when we agree on the mailing list?
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stpeter
I think we would have MUC, Jingle, PubSub, BOSH, s2s, core, i18n, security, and perhaps a few others
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zooldk@gmail.com
I am still looking for my user/pass.... and waiting for an email
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: :)
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: ok
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stpeter
we also need to make sure that all tech review team members have Jira accounts, then we can set them up with the right permissions
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: yes
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stpeter
is that enough for today?
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stpeter
I'm happy to stay here and keep chatting, of course :)
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koski
stpeter: yes, i think we did 2/3 "points".
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stpeter
I think we need a new "group" in Jira
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: BTW is there some way that we could alter our svn folders?.. because I have made some xsd validation script, but it is hard to map the schemas (xmpp/trunk/schemas) when they are named muc.xsd instead of xep-0045.xsd.
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stpeter
existing groups are iteam and commteam
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koski
i think we have some ideas how to make the Jira usage better. Good. stpeter, do you think this will help you a bit at least in the future?
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: so we agree that I should write to the tech team about the new jira components?
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zooldk@gmail.com: +1
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: okie
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
I created a techreview group
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stpeter
now I'll add some people to it
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koski
zooldk@gmail.com: i can help you to set them up. Just contact me when you have time to start for that.
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koski
stpeter: great
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: I need a login firstly
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zooldk@gmail.com
:-)
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stpeter
I don't know what it means to be part of a group, but we'll find out :)
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: yeah.. I'll think I IM you later.. and then we'll find out what to do
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Kev
stpeter: you can assign groups to ACLs instead of people.
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
just figured that out
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stpeter
so now anyone in the techreview group is automatically a SPEC developer
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zooldk@gmail.com
wuhuuu
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stpeter
do we want to make issues "Unassigned" by default so that I don't need to re-assign them?
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Kev
Seems sane.
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koski
=1
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: good idea
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koski
+1
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stpeter
done
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stpeter
so we've made a bit of progress here
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zooldk@gmail.com
ha ha
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stpeter
Jira is back, tech review people can edit SPEC issues, etc.
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zooldk@gmail.com
(thumbs up!)
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stpeter
now we need all tech review team members to register with Jira
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koski
stpeter: a proposal. Do you think you would have time in coming months to write a example how you would see the "spec review" working and we could talk about that in mailing list and in the next meeting? (the review you started with the MUC XEP). I think you had a very good idea there. It was just a shame it did not really catch up fire and support from others.
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stpeter
and we can assign them all to the techreview group
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koski
stpeter: i can write about that in mailing list and kick the sleepy ones.
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stpeter
koski: part of the problem was that XEP-0045 is too big -- it would have been better to start with a smaller spec
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stpeter
koski: ok thanks!
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stpeter
koski: but yet I can do that
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stpeter
brb
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koski
stpeter: yes, this is also why i'm kindly asking you to write it since you know the best what "succeed and what not and why". Sorry but you are still the best in this :D
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waqas_
Will we discuss XEP-0045 in this meeting?
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zooldk@gmail.com
sorry guys.. I need some food now. If you are not finished in the next 10 min. then talk to you a bit later..
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koski
waqas_: it was not planned to discuss about the XEP itself. But we can of course.
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waqas_
Is there a meeting planned for it?
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koski
waqas_: as far as I know, no.
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stpeter
koski: the members of the techreview group in Jira are now you, me, Kev, Waqas, Peter Mount, Safa, Steffen (zool), Fabio, Ali, and Luca -- so we need Fritzy, Joe Maissel, and Alex Malgaroli to register at Jira and tell us their usernames so that we can add them to the techreview group
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koski
stpeter: sir, yes sir!
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koski
stpeter: I'll handle that
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stpeter
koski: you and Fabio are admins for the SPEC project but I don't think you can edit the techreview group
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stpeter
not sure
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koski
let me check
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stpeter
waqas_: we can schedule a meeting or two or three about MUC
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stpeter
but I think we've made some progress today and we can consider this meeting to be ended (we've been talking for almost 1.5 hours) :)
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koski
stpeter: you were right. I cannot modify the group
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koski
stpeter: yes. I was just about to write the same.
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: I've ordered my password for JIRA but haven't received an email yet? do the postfix run on the server or?
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stpeter
koski: ok
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stpeter
koski: well, have only three more people to add, that's easy enough for me to do
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: I can reset your password and then you can change it
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: please... :-)
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zooldk@gmail.com
just stranged that I havent received any by email yet
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zooldk@gmail.com
strange
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
not sure why
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stpeter
I do receive emails from Jira
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stpeter
so it is set up correctly to send email
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: see PM for password
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stpeter
BTW the logs for this meeting are at http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100429/
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koski
stpeter: i'll write to the list about the group and ask the missing ones to sign in and notify you?
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zooldk@gmail.com
the email seems correct :-)
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stpeter
koski: they can reply to the list mail with their usernames
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zooldk@gmail.com
and i'll write about the JIRA components..
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koski
stpeter: ok
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zooldk@gmail.com
is it ok if I do it tomorrow?
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stpeter
sure
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koski
zooldk@gmail.com: sure, of course. we are not in a hurry in this.
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zooldk@gmail.com
ok.. hopefully I'll have the password then.. ;-)
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: I sent you the password via private message
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: me don't see.....
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koski
do we write any meeting minutes about that or just notify the mail thread of "call for a meeting" with the muc_log link? :)
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stpeter
oh
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stpeter
koski: an informal report is fine, no official minutes needed I suppose
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: Gmail issues
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koski
stpeter: agree
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zooldk@gmail.com
ha ha.. ok
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koski
stpeter: zooldk@gmail.com: yes, was fighting with those whole day today at work. there is something "weird" happening in google.
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koski
at google even...
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zooldk@gmail.com
ok.. I've had no problems with gmail.com lately..
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stpeter
who receives email for SPEC issues?
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zooldk@gmail.com
maybe I should start using my @jabber.org account instead for these meetings
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koski
stpeter: who will receive or who is receiving?
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: shouldn't it be all of the tech review group?
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stpeter
who is receiving now?
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: I think so
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stpeter
I just created SPEC-13
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zooldk@gmail.com
Then we are notified..
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zooldk@gmail.com
could be nice..
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: yes that's the way it should be
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koski
i did not receive. Yet at least.
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zooldk@gmail.com
me neither
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zooldk@gmail.com
thats what I said earlier
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stpeter
I received it
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zooldk@gmail.com
hmmm
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koski
i only received for the ones i created. Or assigned myself as one.
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zooldk@gmail.com
gmail issues? ;-)
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koski
i got notifications of SPEC-11 and 12 that i created.
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zooldk@gmail.com
when it is only a few issues that we have at the moment, every one in the tech review group should receive it
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stpeter
aha
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stpeter
I found the config option for this
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koski
so the "creator" and the assignee receives the messages, but not others. i think
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koski
stpeter: good :)
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zooldk@gmail.com
change please. :-)
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bear
google was down completely for some about an hour ago
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zooldk@gmail.com
bear: wow really?? I did not notice a thing
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koski
bear: in france there were problems during the whole day.
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Florian
I guess someone lost their job :)
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koski
with google that is.
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bear
it seems to be regional - at least according to my twitter/identica social graph
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: wheei my JIRA login worked. thanks
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zooldk@gmail.com
no probs in Denmark
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zooldk@gmail.com
for google that is
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stpeter
oh
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stpeter
hmmmmm
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zooldk@gmail.com
what is the default priority of the issues?
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zooldk@gmail.com
and who can change them
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stpeter
I might have just messed up the config
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zooldk@gmail.com
it could also nice to have affects and fix version on the XEPs...
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zooldk@gmail.com
that relates to the versions of the XEP specs
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zooldk@gmail.com
so people can track when the implementation has changed in the spec
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: I think that any Developer should be able to change priority etc.
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stpeter
and all members of the techreview group are Developers for the SPEC project
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zooldk@gmail.com
stpeter: ok
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stpeter
if it doesn't work that way, we can fix it in the config
- stpeter is discovering that Jira is infinitely configurable
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zooldk@gmail.com
I know!
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zooldk@gmail.com
been there
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zooldk@gmail.com
Guys.. I've out of where.. I'll game a bit before my girlfried gets home. :-)
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: talk to you later about the components.. right?
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koski
zooldk@gmail.com: deal. i might be very busy tomorrow so during the weekend or beginning of the next week, don't hesitate to kick me.
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zooldk@gmail.com
koski: ok, deal.. later
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zooldk@gmail.com
cheers all of you!
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bear
jira can be excellent in implementing the death-by-1000-cuts mode for admins
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stpeter
ok I modified the default notification scheme so that project developers receive notiications
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stpeter
zooldk@gmail.com: thanks!
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stpeter
bear: yea
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stpeter
hi petermount
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petermount
i know i'm late but this is the first chance i've got to get online tonight :-(
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petermount
hi peter
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stpeter
petermount: no worries, we're all doing the best we can :)
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petermount
so what have I missed? :-)
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stpeter
we made some progress on Jira for issue tracking
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petermount
thats always good
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stpeter
bear got Jira running again, I created a new Jira group for all techreview members, and you'll be receiving more Jira emails soon because I updated the notification scheme
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stpeter
Tuomas and Steffen will be sending email to the techreview@xmpp.org list regarding some further action items
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petermount
have you patched for the security issue from last week?
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stpeter
petermount: I think bear did -- but in any case the security issue was (AFAIK) related to Apache and we run lighttpd
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petermount
iirc it was in jira itself rather than outside - at least when I saw it when kenai did the update (which host my jira instances)
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stpeter
petermount: I think bear took care of this but he'll know for sure
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petermount
will double check
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petermount
np
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petermount
did anything get said about pubsub?
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bear
petermount - the security issue is "fixed" in so far as xsf's implementation isn't directly impacted but i'm also taking the time to upgrade to 4.*
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petermount
bear: ok, at work we use jira and i notified them as soon as i heard from my provider - if we are up to date then no problem - at least we are up to date ;-)
- petermount thinks its better to be safe 99% of the time ;-)
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bear
agreed - we use jira at my old work place so I used their support account to call in and review the raw details
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bear
and found that it was a specific apache+jira interaction
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stpeter
petermount: indeed
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bear
but yes, being 99.9% sure is what is driving the 4.* upgrade
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petermount
ah crafty bear - at my work they left their a/c to expire :-S
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bear
ick
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petermount
yep ick
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bear
I always build into the quote a full year of support
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bear
so they can't let it lapse
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petermount
we here sould surely get an o/s account shouldnt we? if not why dont we ask them?
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stpeter
we have one
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petermount
thats goos
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petermount
good even :-S
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petermount
what I wanted to find out was what we are planning on reviewing - recently it's been busy for a lot of us but for me it's going to get quieter
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stpeter
I'm hoping we can finish the MUC review :)
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petermount
and i've been holding back on pubsub because I remembered we were planning on pubsub after muc
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
well
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stpeter
first we need to push out version 1.13 of XEP-0060 :)
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stpeter
we'll have a never-ending pubsub review :P
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petermount
peter: yes I think muc needs finishing - at least both of us have been held back for varioes reasons - you more than me ;-\)
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petermount
yep
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stpeter
petermount: clearly I need to set aside a bit of time each week to key in the changes I've already marked on my paper copy of XEP-0045
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petermount
peter: the main reason i'm interested in pubsub in the next month or so is that I need to implement from scratch - which to me is an ideal time to do a review - I can hold it back currently but to me its ideal as it means we have a reference-point from start to finish
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petermount
stpeter: I need to catch up
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stpeter
and I am also reviewing draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis these days because we have an August deadline to send that to the IESG for advancement
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petermount
i've been the emails - it's a long weekend here in the uk so I should get a chance to catch up on that
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stpeter
see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/xmpp/current/msg00705.html for details
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koski
MUC, PubSub and draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis ... Why did you start from the shortest and the most simplest ones?
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petermount
muc the simplest?
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petermount
;-)
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stpeter
and I have another 800 pages of Internet-Drafts to review and comment on by next Thursday for my IESG responsibilities
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koski
petermount: it was ment to be a "sarcastic joke" :)
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petermount
grr not even home and about to restart part of work - one mo
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stpeter
I also have a marked-up copy of XEP-0050
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koski
stpeter: i'm sure you looked like a human last time i saw you. But you must be a machine...
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stpeter
haha
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stpeter
koski: thanks for the message to the list~!
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koski
no worries, i hope i got the main points to get right people interested.
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stpeter
yep
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stpeter
I sent a corrected URL :)
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stpeter
but other than that it looks good
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koski
Thanks.
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petermount
koski: recently it seems like i'm a machine :-|(
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petermount
the last couple of months have been wiped out, hence why i've been quiet here - even had some public releases from the begining of march i'm only going to do finally this weekend :-( sob
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stpeter
ouch
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stpeter
yeah, everyone is so busy
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petermount
and you thought you would be with the ietf?
- petermount being sarcastic there ;-)
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petermount
the ITEF must be a real drain - but you havent eased off yet
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stpeter
petermount: it's about an extra 30 hours a week
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stpeter
so now I work 70-80 hours a week
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petermount
stpeter: not good :-(
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stpeter
I'm a workaholic, so it's not that bad
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stpeter
but I'm getting a bit old for this kind of thing ;-)
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petermount
stpeter: same here ;-)
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bear
pfft - your both probably younger than me
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petermount
Occasionally I still the "Post midnight" programming session - but can't so that too often these days
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petermount
bear: do you spend 6hrs a day commuting? & thats when it work ok :-(
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bear
true - one of the reasons I love working from home
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petermount
bear: not supposed to but I try to once a week ;-)
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petermount
o...k...
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petermount
just read the email about what got said during the meeting
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petermount
& unless my mail has got filtered most of it was helping taking work load (quite rightly) from peter?
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koski
yes, and to find a ways to wake up the "team" and start working.
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koski
everybody wanted jira, now let's use it :D
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petermount
yes jira is now there, so lets use it.
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petermount
but jira isnt the only tool there though
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stpeter
tools discussions never end....
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koski
yes.
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petermount
they never doo ;-(
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koski
but now i will end this discussion and will moge the dreamworld to catch some beautiful Fairies.
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koski
moge .... move to even ...
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petermount
koski: hehe
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koski
have a good end of the day guys!
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koski
Cheers! Bye!
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petermount
i'm going to have to go offline - this netbook only has a limited livetime without power - and it's done good tonight
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petermount
koski: catch you lateer
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stpeter
thanks guys
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petermount
stpeter: np, we'll probably catchup when we'll all aroun
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petermount
i need to go offline shortly as my netbook's battery is now in the red - unless i get the mac out :-(
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koski
night!
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petermount
catch you all later
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