XSF Discussion - 2010-08-24

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  32. Nicolas hi
  33. will.sheward evening
  34. stpeter greetings
  35. stpeter no sign of Florian
  36. stpeter Jack is "away"
  37. will.sheward lets give them a few minutes
  38. stpeter sure
  39. will.sheward so, how are things peter, not heard from you in a while?
  40. stpeter busy as always
  41. Nicolas everybody seems busy
  42. stpeter this IESG gig is a lot of work
  43. will.sheward yes, this is good i think?
  44. Nicolas btw, do you see like me a slow in the xsf's activity?
  45. will.sheward nyco: oh yes
  46. Tobias Nicolas: yeah
  47. Nicolas what does it mean? can we do something about it?
  48. will.sheward iesg: i know, we barely see alexey these days
  49. will.sheward well, we are - we're having a meeting ;-)
  50. will.sheward this slowness is partly down to us. we've not been the most active board have we?
  51. will.sheward busy busy busy - taking up most of our time with work
  52. Nicolas yes, absolutely, in the absolute, we have not been very active
  53. will.sheward which is a shame - but unavoidable i think
  54. Nicolas why not?
  55. will.sheward well, i guess we've not been active because we're all very busy elsewhere?
  56. Nicolas true for me
  57. Nicolas but more generally?
  58. stpeter sorry, got a phone call
  59. Nicolas too few new members at the last membership election
  60. Nicolas np
  61. will.sheward agreed
  62. will.sheward too little publicity to attract new applicants
  63. will.sheward again, this is our responsibility in part
  64. will.sheward i think we got off to a good start but "life" got in the way
  65. will.sheward I dont think the others are coming?
  66. will.sheward should we/can we start?
  67. Nicolas 2/4, with peter
  68. Nicolas should we?
  69. Nicolas see, even the board seems not very concerned
  70. will.sheward :-(
  71. Nicolas same feeling for me
  72. stpeter almost done with my call
  73. will.sheward Lets start, if were wrong we can pretend this is a comm team meeting
  74. Nicolas np stpeter
  75. Nicolas ;-)
  76. Nicolas ok
  77. will.sheward wait for peter then
  78. Nicolas http://typewith.me/wMQa8S0yEJ
  79. will.sheward i'm there
  80. stpeter I can call Jack
  81. Nicolas who are you, unnamed?
  82. stpeter I'm done with the phone
  83. Nicolas ok, thx
  84. Tobias Nicolas: prob. me#
  85. will.sheward the masked user?
  86. will.sheward Zorro?
  87. stpeter ok
  88. stpeter I called Jack but no answer
  89. Nicolas ok
  90. Nicolas nevermind
  91. will.sheward then lets start
  92. Nicolas do you have Flo's phone number?
  93. stpeter I texted him
  94. Nicolas I can SMS him
  95. Nicolas ok
  96. Nicolas SPONSORS
  97. will.sheward i think we've all texted him
  98. stpeter yep, starting
  99. stpeter so
  100. will.sheward sponsors: peter, did you get any further with your conversation?
  101. stpeter our current list of sponsors is outdated
  102. will.sheward very outdated
  103. stpeter very outdated
  104. stpeter heh
  105. Nicolas http://stage.xmpp.org/?page_id=258 ?
  106. will.sheward great minds...
  107. stpeter so we might wan to clear it out
  108. stpeter +t
  109. stpeter I recently contacted ISOC, which supports IETF and recently also W3C
  110. will.sheward we can leave a couple in (secure hosting?)
  111. stpeter and they use XMPP :)
  112. stpeter they are a likely candidate
  113. stpeter I also need to hit up Cisco :)
  114. Tobias w3c uses XMPP?
  115. stpeter but I think the Cisco folks would like to support a particular project / initiative that we propose (e2e encryption or whatever)
  116. will.sheward re cisco: we can pass that onto wider membership/council to see if a project is something they want
  117. stpeter yes
  118. will.sheward would be best if a project was technically aligned with council work/direction
  119. will.sheward wasnt florian contacting some people? guess we should mail him to find out
  120. stpeter at the IETF meeting in Maastricht I also met one of the guys from NLNet
  121. stpeter they are interested in XMPP stuff too (Jingle Nodes etc.)
  122. stpeter again they'd probably be interested in supporting a particular initiative
  123. Tobias stpeter: they also had DNSSEC fund which might be interesting for some XMPP server projects too http://nlnet.nl/dnssec/
  124. stpeter Tobias: yes
  125. stpeter see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-xmpp-dna/
  126. stpeter so I think we need to have more discussion among the community about priorities
  127. stpeter http://xmpp.org/xsf/roadmap.shtml is outdated, too
  128. Nicolas I've tried to inventory all the social networks using XMPP: maybe these are good candidates as sponsors?
  129. stpeter we'll be done with the RFC revisions soon
  130. stpeter perhaps we need a broader conversation about priorities and things that we think are important to work on as a community
  131. Nicolas board + coucil + members ?
  132. will.sheward everyone
  133. will.sheward i thin
  134. will.sheward k
  135. stpeter and that will help us ask sponsors if they want to help with those efforts
  136. Nicolas s/coucil/council/
  137. will.sheward should i just put a holding page here: v ?
  138. will.sheward http://stage.xmpp.org/?page_id=987
  139. stpeter yes
  140. will.sheward noted.
  141. stpeter and we need to move stage to real :)
  142. will.sheward yes, please
  143. Nicolas yep
  144. Nicolas what do you need?
  145. will.sheward i'm currently writing up the documentation on the site (explaining structure etc)
  146. stpeter I thought that Kev had what he needed for the switch
  147. will.sheward i think we're ready to go
  148. will.sheward kev has the info
  149. stpeter ok
  150. will.sheward i'll aks him to push the button tomorrow
  151. Nicolas ok, cool!
  152. stpeter ok
  153. will.sheward then i can spend a few hours of panic chasing down errors
  154. stpeter if he needs my assistance, we can do this early next week
  155. Nicolas and let's call for a review by our members?
  156. Nicolas the can report stuff on the tracker?
  157. stpeter Nicolas: yes, once we launch
  158. stpeter yeah
  159. stpeter +1
  160. will.sheward nyco: yes. We also need to get comm team members involved and "taking responsibility" for maintaining specific pages
  161. Nicolas ok
  162. will.sheward i'll draft a message for commteam
  163. Nicolas cool, thx
  164. stpeter thanks
  165. will.sheward so - what do i do about the sponsors page?
  166. Nicolas (please review my notes on typewithme)
  167. will.sheward put up a blank page - admit we have no sponsors?
  168. stpeter one more note about sponsors -- Florian said he had some leads, too -- but I do think that more clearly defining our roadmap will help
  169. stpeter roadmap and specific initiatives + activities
  170. will.sheward yes - i think sponsors will be more likely to get involved with specific direction
  171. Nicolas sponsorship from Microsoft, AOL, Skype, etc. ?
  172. will.sheward hehe
  173. stpeter ok, what other topics do we have on our agenda?
  174. will.sheward gsoc
  175. Nicolas well, MS is doing a Facebook-chat-aware client inside MSn
  176. stpeter interesting
  177. stpeter I had some conversations recently with some guys who work on the XMPP gateway from Microsoft OCS
  178. will.sheward yes
  179. Nicolas MS as a sponsor, it's not a joke! ;-)
  180. Nicolas so GSoC
  181. stpeter haha
  182. stpeter yes
  183. stpeter I think bear and Kev can tell us the most about GSoc
  184. Nicolas where are we? a blogpost needs to be written?
  185. bear I am working on a "ok, all done" blog post
  186. Nicolas ah cool
  187. stpeter ah
  188. bear I need to poke 2 of the students to finish their final report
  189. stpeter bear: disregard PM :)
  190. bear :)
  191. will.sheward reminds me - need to talk about blog
  192. Nicolas yes?
  193. bear so yes, final report will be blogged in probably about a day
  194. will.sheward is the blog still blog.xmpp.org <http://blog.xmpp.org> - or is it now the main page of stage.xmpp.org <http://stage.xmpp.org>
  195. will.sheward or both?
  196. stpeter I'm also hoping that we will get more implementation feedback from the students regarding the specs they implemented -- we might want to make that a condition of participation / part of the final report in future years :)
  197. bear the gsoc was uneventful for 3 of the 4 and even the 4th was normal, he just didn't plan properly
  198. stpeter will.sheward: it should be the main page
  199. Nicolas will.sheward, afaiac, I don't care
  200. stpeter and then we deprecate the blog
  201. bear two of the students are probably going to be very involved but I think the other 2 will not
  202. stpeter I mean, deprecate blog.xmpp.org
  203. will.sheward ok - will add this to list of things to talk to kev about
  204. stpeter bear: sounds about right
  205. Tobias stpeter: i'll post some feedback the next time; i've already marked a couple thinks in my printed 198 version, just need to find it
  206. Nicolas stpeter, deprecate yes, but by keepign the link alive for redirection
  207. stpeter bear: of all the students we've had over the years, few have really stayed involved -- Tobias is a big exception
  208. Tobias s/next time/during the next days
  209. stpeter Nicolas: yes
  210. Tobias stpeter: however i've been already involved before my first GSoC if i remember correctly
  211. bear :)
  212. stpeter yes, true
  213. bear I won't be able to attend the gsoc event coming up - do we want to send someone else?
  214. stpeter I've never attended one of those
  215. stpeter I've heard they are fun, but I've never had time
  216. bear then let's not break the pattern
  217. will.sheward bear: i've upgraded you to 'author' on stage.xmpp - for the gsoc post
  218. stpeter heh
  219. stpeter yeah
  220. bear cool
  221. bear thanks will
  222. Nicolas anything else about gsoc?
  223. stpeter not that I can see
  224. bear nothing eventful if you mean
  225. stpeter at some point they'll send us some money, I suppose
  226. will.sheward money money money
  227. Nicolas last item: mini summits
  228. will.sheward like
  229. Nicolas ;-)
  230. bear yea, was going to ask you about that - if any money had been received yet
  231. will.sheward ok - who suggested mini-summits?
  232. stpeter usually it's delayed a while
  233. Nicolas I don't know
  234. bear k
  235. stpeter bear: I'm sure there will be a post about it to the org / mentor list at some point
  236. bear k
  237. will.sheward yeah bear: just don't run off with the money :-)
  238. stpeter probably Florian added the item about mini-summits, given that London is mentioned
  239. bear mini summits - like east coast, west coast, different EU spots?
  240. Nicolas so we're touching the end of the meeting? please review the notes, and report action items
  241. bear will - don't look at me - it's being mailed to psa's desk IIRC ;)
  242. stpeter yes, they'll send it to my work address, I think
  243. stpeter I'm all in favor of formal and informal meetings
  244. will.sheward ah ha - peter's extravagant lifestyle explained
  245. bear laughs
  246. Nicolas ;-)
  247. will.sheward informal local meetings are good - seem to have been a lull in them recently?
  248. stpeter yes indeed :)
  249. stpeter lots of lulls recently
  250. will.sheward yeah :-(
  251. bear it's been that kind of year - everything has slowed down
  252. Nicolas please review, fix, enhance, beautify http://typewith.me/wMQa8S0yEJ
  253. will.sheward bad us
  254. will.sheward ok
  255. stpeter laughs at http://typewith.me/wMQa8S0yEJ regarding Florian
  256. bear yea, he probably his given he is on holiday
  257. Nicolas next meeting: tuesday, 7th of September?
  258. stpeter bear: indeed
  259. stpeter Nicolas: that works for me
  260. will.sheward works for me
  261. bear i'm planning with a local philly person a xmpp meetup for october
  262. stpeter another item is that Alex and I need to talk about timing for Board and Council elections
  263. will.sheward same bat time, same bat place?
  264. bear we can make that intoa mini-summit if that is ok
  265. stpeter bear: sure!
  266. Nicolas ok then
  267. Nicolas I need to go
  268. Nicolas thx everybody
  269. stpeter ok
  270. will.sheward ok
  271. stpeter updates http://typewith.me/wMQa8S0yEJ
  272. Nicolas bye
  273. will.sheward bye
  274. bear later
  275. bear I placed a note about a sponsor possible in the doc - feel free to remove my parenthetical comment after reading it
  276. will.sheward ah - that's you
  277. bear stops hacking the minutes page :)
  278. will.sheward ok - i'm done for tonight. i have a few tasks from this so i'll get on with those tomorrow.
  279. stpeter ok
  280. will.sheward 'see' you all later
  281. bear also flees
  282. stpeter ok
  283. stpeter so I can send the chatroom log and the minutes text to the board list
  284. will.sheward stper: i've just added an action item for you
  285. stpeter ok
  286. stpeter yep
  287. stpeter I'll ping Alex about that but won't take action until Monday, since I'm supposed to be on vacation this week :)
  288. will.sheward staycayion or going away?
  289. will.sheward staycation
  290. stpeter going away tomorrow for a few days
  291. stpeter but mostly staycation
  292. will.sheward well, hope you have fun. bye for now
  293. will.sheward has left
  294. stpeter ok
  295. stpeter I'm done
  296. stpeter info sent to board list
  297. stpeter I'll send to members list as well
  298. stpeter now back to staycation mode :)
  299. stpeter thanks, all!
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