Florianyeah, after some first issues, I guess it's working quite well
Florianthe next step is just to grow the content
Nÿcomaintain would be a priority
stpetere.g. I noticed that http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/history/ is a bit stale :)
Florianyeah ...
Florianwas there any progress with getting the editorial team on board?
jackdo we have a page of which pages need the most work?
jackthen maybe we can get some people to work on them
FlorianI don't think there is one at the moment, but I'm sure we can get a list together
Nÿcothe CommTeam is quite asleep
Nÿcomaybe mostly because of me
Florianok, maybe send round a mail on the members list to have a few people give feedback on what content needs updating
stpeteryes
Florianand then let the CommTeam to get cracking on that?
Nÿcosure
NÿcoI don't think 'let' is the right attitude, we may better 'animate' it, r something similar
stpeterI have a short list of issues I've discovered
Florianok...
Florianmaybe a Wiki page?
Nÿcoah, please e-mail them to Will, or to the list?
NÿcoWiki for tracking?
Florianyeah
Florianlist of all pages that are outdated, need fixing
Florianthat way we can keep track of what's done and what isn't
Florianeasier than thousands of E-mails
Florianwith duplicates
stpetertrue
Nÿco(we have the JIRA instance)
Nÿcowhy not
Florianall the members have write acess to the wiki
Florianas they applied through it
stpeterlet's update http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/CommTeam while we're at it, too
stpeterselects "edit"
Nÿcook then
jackon sponsorship front, do we have any new ones? I'm pretty sure Collecta is going to kick in some
stpeterhttp://wiki.xmpp.org/web/SiteIssues
stpeterI need to follow up with ISOC
FlorianI contacted Voxeo
Florianhaven't heard back from them
jackI saw that thread. hopefully something will come of that
stpeterI know a few folks at Voxeo
Floriannor from Nokia
Florianwhat about setting up an E-mail adress sponsors@xmpp.org ?
Florianafair that was mentioned somewhere
jackfor what purpose?
Floriancommunications to sponsors
jackjust an alias to send out updates?
Florianand receive replies
Nÿcowhat if recepients change?
Florianand that
Floriani.e. sponsors@ can always point to the existing board
jackok. makes sense
Nÿcowhy not just use board
Nÿco?
Florianbecause it's a mailinglist
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Nÿcoand?
stpeterwe had a sponsors@xmpp.org list for communication with and among sponsors, but we never really used it
Florianonly members of it can post to it
Nÿcowe can reconfigure that?
FlorianI wouldn't go for a mailinglist
Florianbecause we also want to send out invoices through that I guess
NÿcoI would, but ok
Florianand payment details
Nÿcothey can originate from any e-mail addresse?
stpeterhmm
Florianit's not as easy to keep track for the other company
stpeterwe just need better contact information for each sponsoring company
Floriana single contact adress / reply-to address
stpetere.g., responsible individual, phone number, etc.
Nÿcook
Nÿcomy point was against the multipicity of contact points
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Nÿcobut ok, let's write that in the minutes
stpetermultiplicity at each sponsor, or multiplicity from the XSF side?
FlorianXSF side
Nÿco(separated the agenda from the minutes)
stpeterah
stpeterwell
Florianand having an official contact address makes it look a lot less like Spam :)
stpeterdifferent people have different contacts, so it's OK to have multiple contacts, but perhaps we should all cc a common alias like sponsors@
Florianyeah
Florianand I would even say send from that alias
jack+1 on sending from the alias
FlorianIt just makes us look a lot less like we're trying to scam peopel
Florian*people
stpeterhmm
Florianotherwise, it might look a bit like the "You're great uncle in Zimbabwe died, please send many munies here."
stpeterwell, if you have a personal contact at Voxeo or ISOC or whatever, then I say use that contact for communication to establish the relationship -- but we can send "invoices" and reminders from sponsors@xmpp.org -- is that what you're suggesting?
Florianyes
stpeterok
stpeter+1 then
Florianand on top of that ... for companies like Nokia
Nÿcowant to PGP-sign?
Florianwhere you get redirected to other departments etc.
FlorianI mean, personal contacts are personal contacts
Florianbut for any other companies
Floriansponsors@xmpp.org just looks a lot more legit.
stpeteryep
stpeternow we'll need to figure out how to make that happen
Florianright
FlorianI guess incomming is alias to the board members
Florianand outgoing, we need an SMTP account on the mail server?
Florianor even an IMAP inbox?
stpeterwell
stpeterpossible
stpeterI'm not a mail guru :)
Nÿcowe can write our requirements for the infra department to implement? ;-)
Florian:D
stpeterfor editor@xmpp.org, mail is sent by scripts and received via an alias that goes only to me but could go to others, too
Nÿco
- Roadmap update
Need to discuss with everyone (Board, Council, members, community)
Set broader technical priorities
These can be presented to sponsors, too
Florianok, so maybe once we have some sponsors on board
Nÿcomaybe we need to increase the importance/emergency of spam fighting
stpeterit seems that a discussion on the members@ list would be a good place to start
Floriansee what they'd like to see?
Florianand then have a joint meeting with the council?
Florianand yes, members of course :)
Nÿcomembers yes, but also maybe a broader range of users/developpers/admins?
Nÿcoa call for comments on the roadmpa update on our blog?
stpeterI'll kick off a discussion on the members list
Nÿcook, thx
stpeterhmm
FlorianI'd say the blog later
stpeterI would hope that we have pretty good representation on the member list
Florianonce we have some suggestions to begin with
stpeterwe can use that to come up with some priorities
stpeteryeah, what Florian said :)
Nÿcothis would have 2 goals:
1/ get feedback
2/ get more people implied in the XSF processes
Nÿcoagree with the blog article being posted later, when we have something consistent
Floriansounds good
Florianso who is going to send out a mail to the members@ ?
Nÿcos
Nÿco...tpeter
stpeteryep, me
stpeterI started writing it already
Nÿcolightning fast...
stpetersometimes
Nÿcoyou already have feedback???
stpeterother times, deathly slow
Florianheh :)
Florianok ... next item then?
stpeteryep
Nÿcoyep
MiGriyep
Nÿcog.s.o.c.
stpeteraha
stpeterbear can tell us about that
Nÿcobear?
stpeterI think it went well, but he knows all
bearyes?
bearit went very well
FlorianGSoC?
bearactive participation in community by 3 of the 4
bearcode has landed and I need to get it bundled to put out onto the gsoc repos
bearso a very good but quiet GSoC
bearno drama or other non-coding issues
stpetergood, I don't like drama
bearand unless one of the euro centered mentors wants to go to the event, I don't think we will be sending anyone
stpeterone piece of feedback: it would be helpful to require implementation reports of some kind from students before their projects are considered complete (this helps us to improve the XEPs)
bearwe tried to poke in that direction
bearbut that's a feedback for myself - be much more forceful next time
stpeterwell, we could tell them that they won't receive the money without an implementation report :)
beari'll bring that up with Kev this weekend - I need to get with him for end-of-project closeup
Nÿcodo you want to write another blogpost?
bearyes - working on the words - they come slower for me than you guys :)
Nÿcook
Nÿconext item? elections?
Floriannext up ... elections?
Nÿco;-)
Nÿconot much candidates, we must encourage, challenge the candidates
Nÿcoin order to have good ones
FlorianI guess the date is set to the 30th for applications
Florianand then until the 15th of October for voting?
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Nÿcois there a need?
Nÿcowe cant' postpone all elections periods like that
stpeteryeah I will poke some more people
stpeterin years past we had the application period in August but people were on vacation
stpeterso last year candidates wrote their "position papers" in September, that worked better I think
FlorianI think, looking at the time, and seeing as Will is not here ... table it?
Floriannext meeting?
Florianunless everyone wants to talk about it now
stpeterOK I posted to members@ about the roadmap and to commteam@ about the site issues page
jack+1 to tabling for now
Florian+2
stpetertabling for now is fine with me
Florianok
Florianthen just ... next meeting?/
stpeterponders standing for the Council again
NÿcoNext meeting:
2010-09-21, same place, same time
Nÿco?
stpeterWFM
FlorianWFM
Florianah
Nÿcohttp://typewith.me/dU7MWvDIav <<< please review, edit, add, remove, etc.
Florianactually ..
Florianyeah
Florianwill work
jackWFM
Floriannote: Please add this to the calendar
jacksee you guys online
Florianwhoever can :)
Nÿcocan we put that item in the XSF cal?
stpeteroh sorry I missed the minutes page
Nÿcothx all
Florianyup, thx guys
stpeteryes I will update the calendar, easy enough
Nÿcothx
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Nÿcoyou can review it now
Nÿcowho's gonna post to the ML?
Florianah
Florianquick question
Florianas I've just got some replies from voxeo
FlorianSponsorship start date?
Florianasap?
Florianor should we group a few together?
Floriani.e. 1. November?
stpeterhmm
stpeter1 January (calendar year)?
stpeterthat seems perhaps easier to track
Florianok
Florianbut that's quite far away from now
Florianand sometimes, some companies prefer to have the sponsorship at the end of the year (remaining funds in projects)
stpetertrue
Florianand I guess we'll be accepting Sponsors throughout the year (at least according to our website)
stpeterright
stpeterwe accept at any time
Florianso I guess October might be a bit too short
stpeterbut then the question is, when would we ask them to renew?
Florianbut by November, we should have a good lineup of all new sponsors
Florian12 months
stpeterok
stpeterthat's fine
Florianand I guess we'll always tell them to start on the 1st of some month
Florianjust for easier management
stpeteryes
stpeterexactly
Florianso yeah, sponsors can join every month
Florianand we'll launch our first batch in November?
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stpeterFlorian: do we really need to batch them?
stpeterhi will
Florianhey will.sheward
will.shewardshamefaced will has joined the meeting
FlorianI guess the site would look a bit strange with just one sponsor
will.shewardmust remember to attend meetings that i suggest
will.shewarddo we just have one?
Florianso I'd like to have at least a few (3?) to launch it
Florianwe just had :)
will.shewardwhat about the people hosting the site who would be payment in kind sponsors?
Florianah right
stpeterbrb
FlorianUSSHC is staying on I guess
Florianwe just need to write them an official "invoice" for 12 months I guess?
Floriani.e. a sponsorship for 12 months, that gets renewed every 12 months, until the service isn't used anymore
Florianbut basically to have an official agreement for a certain time
will.shewardyes, treasurer/secretary issue i think
Florianto not have sponsors back out in the middle of a term
Florianright
will.shewardas long as we have their money, i think that's unlikely
Florianwell, it's different for in-kind :)
will.shewardunless we do something appalling and nobody wants to be associated with us any more :-)
FlorianI guess someone needs to look into the legal stuff then?
Floriani.e. sponsorship invoices and papers we send out for in-kind stuff
will.shewardinvoices = treasurer
Florianstpeter, I guess you know most about this?
will.shewardand peter's sfk
will.shewardafk
will.shewardi think at the moment
Florianthat's the beauty of XMPP ... it's real-time, yet still allows for asynchronous conversations :D
will.shewardyou sound like a salesman
Florian:p
Florianbut about the sponsorships ... I guess we should at least have them start always at the 1st of the month
Florianjust to keep it maintainable
Florianseeing as having 100s of sponsors with completely random due dates ...
will.shewardor we could pro-rata until the end of a defined period
Florianthat's complicated :D
Florianthat's also possible
Florianbut might be a bit messier
Florianand depending on companies budgets, not as good
Florianas I was saying before, some companies prefer to start sponsoring in December, as they see that they have got some money left
will.shewardtrue
Florianso always starting at the 1st of a month is quite useful
Florianand very maintainable
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Florian_Homerwill.sheward: do we actually have a sponsor detail page example somewhere?
will.shewardno - we didn't have such pages on the old site
will.shewardi'll put something togehter tomorrow for usshc - we cna use that as an example for the voxeo people
stpetercorrect
Florian_Homergreat
Florian_Homerand I guess we should delete the other sponsors from the pages
will.shewarddo we consider google a sponsor still?
stpeterI'm not sure who to consider a sponsor anymore
will.shewardstrictly speaking only our hosts and voxeo.
stpeteryep
Florian_Homerhere's a question ... <biased>Flosoft.biz for ds0039?</biased>
Florian_Homerdon't remember what happened to that in the end?
will.shewardds0039?
Florian_Homerthe server that serves as proxy
Florian_Homerand stun
Florian_Homerand some other stuff afair
stpeterwill.sheward: that's one of the machines we use,currently used only for the file transfer proxy I think
will.shewardwe should discuss at the next meeting (I'll be there this time promise). then we can wipe existing sponsors at the end of the month and put the new ones up.
Florian_Homersounds good
Florian_Homerdoes anyone have the HP / Dell sponsorship deals?
will.shewardthis wil give florian a couple weeks to find some more
will.sheward:)
Florian_Homer:D
Florian_Homertime to kick in some doors :)
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bearflorian shoud start in on Mozilla Europe
Florian_Homerbear: how do you mean?
bearand push the open source angle
Florian_Homeroh, for sponsorship?
bearjust saying you could contact mozilla euro.... yes
Florian_Homerwhy not US?
Florian_HomerI'm more often awake in the US timezone :)
beari'll be contacting hem
bearbut sure - hit up both
Florian_Homerah right :)
Florian_Homerany contacts I should hit up in Europe?
bearlet me get them
Florian_Homerand stpeter wanted to check with Cisco :)
bearBarbara Hueppe bhueppe@mozilla.com EU Communications Manager
bearshe is in Berlin
Floriancheers
FlorianI'll drop her a line (maybe once we get the sponsors@ E-mail?
beark
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Floriangreat
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NeustradamusTristan Nitot : http://www.nitot.com/ Mozilla Europe
XSF Discussion - 2010-09-07