will.shewardi dont know about jack, nyco definately cvannot make it
Florianpinged Jack, but he seems to be away
will.shewardlets give it a few minutes
Florianok
Florianok :)
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Florianshould we go for it?
will.shewardmind you, given that i completely forgot about the last meeting, i'm the last person to get impatient ;-)
Florian:)
stpeter+1
will.shewardi wonder if we're in the right room?
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Florianah, there he is! :)
will.shewardpeter - where'd you come from?
will.shewardcant even see you online
stpeterhmm
stpeterwell, here I am
Florianhaha
stpeterwill.sheward: I have multiple accounts
will.shewardi suspect you're an imposter
stpeterand I'm logged into only two of them at the moment
stpeterheh
stpeterwell I'm a room owner :P
will.shewardah
stpeterso I'm probably not an imposter
stpetershall I destroy the room just to show my power? hahaha!
will.shewardevil dictator, we already have a benevolent dictator for life.
stpeterok, shall we?
will.shewardlets do it
stpeterNyco set up http://typewith.me/EyJg4G3XSr
stpeterso we can use that
stpeterfor taking notes
will.shewardi'm there
stpeteryep, so I see
stpeterwho's in charge here? :)
stpeterAgenda:
[copy-paste from last meeting]
- New Website?
- Sponsors?
- Roadmap update?
- GSoC?
- Elections?
- Mini Summits?
- Summit at FOSDEM 2011
will.shewardI'll giver it a go
will.shewardWebsite.
Florianyes ...
will.shewardwe're almost there... the tables aren't up to date which is largely due to a permissions issue...
stpeteraha
will.shewardkev will sort but he's been on holiday for a week
will.shewardonce its done, getting the new ones in will be simple - i have them all in csv format
stpeterexcellent
will.shewardthen i just need to finish writing up the instructions and make sure everyone has logins
will.sheward..
will.shewardalex was given one last week so he can do his thing, most others have them
Floriangreat
stpeterwho gets accounts?
stpeterall commteam members?
stpeterall XSF members?
will.shewardwe still need to round up volunteers to do maintenance
will.shewardcommteam certinaly (to varying degrees) not everyone needs admin rights
will.shewardi'll talk to nyco re commteam involvement
stpeterok
will.shewardwe should officially announce the website i guess
stpeterI'm fine with having lots of editors / writers, we can always fix mistakes :)
will.shewardindeed
stpeterso that's going well, thanks for all your work on it
will.shewardits been fun, but slow
will.shewardsponsors?
will.shewardflorian, any news?
Florianthe company that you forwarded to me ...
Florianno reply as of now
Florianthe guy has been on holidays
will.shewardah
will.shewardbut still, making positive noises
will.shewardwhich was good
Florianand Nokia, distracted atm due to Nokia World
Florianright
jackcollecta wants to sponsor, but the finance people want an invocie or something
stpeterI've dropped the ball with ISOC
jackhave we done that in the past?
will.shewardjack!
stpeterjack: yes
jackcan you email me a past one and i'll make a new one? :)
Florianstpeter: you should have some from the Dinner?
stpeterFlorian: and before, yes
stpeterso we have some action items :)
will.shewardwe need a cut-off date at which the existing sponsors go from the site
will.shewardwe also need a decision on keeping 'in kind' sponsors
stpeterend of the year for the cut-off date?
Floriansounds good
will.shewardas good a time as any
will.sheward+1
stpeterk
stpeteradds it to his calendar
will.shewardI think we also need it made clear that the 'benefit's we've outlined apply only to new/renewing sponsors, not the ones we have now
Florianright
will.shewardroadmap?
Floriansome discussions on the members list
stpeterquite a bit of discussion
stpeterwhich I haven't kept up with :(
will.shewardencouraging to see so much involvement
stpeteryes
will.sheward.. which i also haven't kept up with
stpeteryeah
stpetertoo much to do
Florianme n'either atm
will.shewardis the discussion drawing to a close? what are the next steps?
FlorianI would be willing to catch up on it though
stpeterI'm going to put it on my calendar for sometime this week
Florianand prepare a summary
stpeterto read it all
stpeterFlorian: that would be most excellent
will.shewardi guess we need a draft roadmap, which will then spark further debate
stpeterbut I'll read all the messages too
Floriangreat
will.shewardflorian: cool
stpetermaybe I can squeeze it in after the IRI WG coordination call this evening....
Florian:)
Floriannext up ... GSoC?
stpeteraren't we done with that one?
Florianyup
stpeterok, let's remove it from the agenda then :)
stpeterunless bear has anything to add
will.shewardwell, that was easy
will.shewardElections
stpeterI do need to follow up on org payment
stpeterfor GSoC
will.shewardmoney = important
stpeterregarding elections
will.shewardyeah
stpeterthe iteam had to take down the wiki :(
will.shewardwhy?
stpeterbut perhaps we can bring it back
stpetericky issues on athena machine, we're not sure if the wiki software was causing the problem
Tobiaswill.sheward: would you mind having the xep list in wordpress being automatically maintained?
will.shewardah
will.shewardtobias: no, that would be great
Tobiasi'm sure there's some python lib that allows gen.py to push some HTML into wordpress via XMP-RPC or something like that
will.shewardwordpress has a plugin for everything :-0
stpeteryeah
stpeteranyway
will.shewardback to elections?
stpeterI take it that we have a number of candidates, but that they didn't link their pages from the main elections page
will.shewardoh we have candidates now? thats good
stpeterat least for Council
will.shewardoh
stpeterwe discussed it in the Council meeting yesterday
stpeterso that was the context
will.shewardi see
FlorianI wanted to apply, but there was an issue with the Wiki
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stpeterFlorian: right
will.shewardgood, so not as barren as it seemed.
stpeterKev reports it was a disk space problem on athena, solved for now
Florianok
stpeterso we'll bring that back soonish
stpeterand we need to recruit candidates for Board and Council
KevIt is back.
KevHas been for hours ;)
stpeterit's always fun to have competitive elections
will.shewardstill only seeing 2 applicants at the moment, we should maybe post to members to remind them of the wonderfullness of serving
stpeterphone call
Florianwill.sheward: sounds good
KevI only see one application.
will.shewardyou and nyco (looking at recent wiki changes)
KevAh, right. Yes, I've just not linked it yet.
will.shewardHa: "In previous years, I've put blurb here about my free time interests and activities, but I'm guessing no-one really cares - so they're not here this year." ....
will.shewardi didn't think you had any free time this year?
KevI thought putting "I don't have any free time, so I have no interests anymore" looked bad :p
Florian:p
will.sheward:-)
will.sheward"I now work for slave drivers and have no concept of free time"
Floriansounds a bit like Dave's application :)
will.shewardok - mini summits? are we discussing that?
Florianyes :)
Florianwe've got another 15 mins :)
will.shewarddarn
FlorianI heard there might be some interest for a London mini summit
Florianthe question is ... how much do we want them to be affiliated with the XSF?
Floriani.e. sponsors, money etc.
will.shewardwho are "them"?
Florianthem being Mini Summits
stpetermeetups?
will.shewardah, i thought you meant the london organising people (are there london organising people or is it just talk)
Floriannothing getting done yet ... but was a thought
will.shewardi think we need to take absolutely every opportunitiyy to raise profile
Florianso do I
will.shewardif that means members local to meetups going along and showing support, then thats good if they can do that
Florianbut I would like to avoid "Product Launch" events
will.shewardif we have money we should sponsor a round of beers
Floriani.e. they should be open to everyone
Florianif there are talks, they shouldn't have to be biased towards a specific vendor etc.
will.shewardflorian: we have to draw a distinction between XMPP events and product marketing fluff
Florianright
Florianbut I think the events should definitely be supported by the XSF
Florianmaybe a wiki page with a list of Mini Summits around the world
will.shewardxmpp events - yes. company X is launching new product Y - no.
Florianwill.sheward: +1
will.shewardso, decisions on mini summits?
FlorianI'm all for them
KevI'd be in favour of a London-based non marketing fluff XSF event, FWIW.
Florianme too :)
will.shewardthis has to be led by one of you technicsl type - so if you want to organise - Just Do It!
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Florianmaybe we should write up a definition of the XMPP Mini Summits (what's allowed and what not)
will.shewardflorian: that's a good idea
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Florianwow, lag over here ...
stpeterok, off the phone
Florianso yeah, I think the start would be to write up a definition
Florianand what the XSF does to support these events
will.shewardso - we're going to define what a mini summit is, be clear about how we'd support one, stick it on the site, ....
FlorianBlogposts, Wiki listing, ...
Florianright
will.shewardkeep an eye out for events that might become mini-summits
KevWhat's the incentive for people to turn up?
will.shewardFosdem would be a good platform to publicise these. Lots of international visitors, might go away positive enough to start something
Florianright
will.shewardkev: contributing to the greater good of mankind through xmpp ...
will.shewardplus beer
Florian:)
KevJust checking.
stpeterok, how about the XMPP Summit at FOSDEM 2011??
FlorianI'd say +1 :)
will.shewardpls note that both Chuck and Weeds have just finished downloading, so we need to move on
Florianpeople seem to be used to it
stpeterright
Florianhaha ... the Chuck episode is meh :)
will.shewardfosdem is a good thing
FlorianI would like to go one further this year
TobiasFlorian: i found it quite amusing ;)
Florianwe used to have free hotel for members back in the day
will.shewardah yes
stpeterI talked with someone at the Cisco office in Belgium, they might have a free conference room for us near the airport with real wifi and such
Floriandepending on how it goes with sponsors, that would be a +
Florianespecially to get more people involved in the XSF
will.shewardit would be good to help members somehow, finances permitting
stpeterit's not the in the center, though
Florianright ... I know where the office is ...
stpeterI can follow up on that if we're interested
Florianmight be a bit annoying to get there
stpeteryeah
KevMore annoying to get there than beingstuck in a room with no windows all day, and no Internet?
stpeterthere are always annoyances :)
Florianhaha
will.shewardwe might consider attempting to get an event sponsor (extending the meal sponsoring thing)
Florianyes
will.shewardand using that to subsidise some
Florianyup
will.shewardlets at least float it on the blog as an idea, see if anyone bites
Floriansounds good
FlorianI guess, everything would be around 5000€
stpeterit seems that the Cisco office is in Diegem
Florianyup, that's the Airport
KevPersonally, when I was subbed I didn't care, and when I'm not subbed the hotel alone isn't enough to get me there.
stpeternot sure exactly how one gets there via public transit, though
stpeterFlorian: do you think it is reasonable for me to at least inquire?
KevPutting on transport seems a good thing for the XSF to do
will.shewardkev: we don't know that your experience is the norm
Florianit's always good to have options
Kevwill.sheward: Not at all, that's why I prefaced with 'personally' - but it's one datum.
will.shewardfor some working at uncooperative companies, every little might help swing the decision to attend
Florianindeed
stpeterFlorian: ok I shall at least ping my contact there
Florianand it would be good to give incentives to become a XSF member
stpeterso we'd be talking about Friday February 4 and Monday February 7, correct?
stpeterif we follow previous schedules
will.shewardye
will.shewards
stpeterok, I'll ping my contact
will.shewardhow soon do we need to get in our dev room proposal?
KevRalph's doing that.
will.shewardcool
Floriangreat
KevRalph always does that, I think.
Florianyeh
will.shewardok, so, next?
FlorianI think that's it
will.shewardminutes writing?
KevI have an AOB
will.shewardoh, ok
KevIn common with the Council meeting yesterday.
stpeteremail sent to my Cisco contact
Florianstpeter: great
KevThe issue was raised of people remembering there are meetings (Peter reminded me today, for example) - do Board have some opinion of having something like a bot that reminds members when Council/Board meetings are?
Florian+1!
Tobiasdon't you guys use calendars? :)
Florian+1!!!
will.shewardi've been guilty of forgetting in the very recent past
Florianthey are often not synced
stpeterheh
stpeteryes, they are not synced automatically as I thought they were, but we can add a cron job for that
will.shewardbot couldn't hurt but if i forget about a meeting it usually means i'm nowhere near a computer to be reminded
Tobiasright
KevI use calendars badly.
Kevwill.sheward: Point.
will.shewardthis is a 'personal responsibility' item
KevAnyway, it was just a talking point.
stpeterwill.sheward: heh
stpeterwe did talk about having more bots and other real-time interactions
stpeterwe do work on a real-time technology, after all ;-)
will.shewardbut if you're doing the bot thing for council, can't hurt for baord as well and everything else
Florian:p
Florianwill.sheward: +1
KevMatt was going to work on posting Council meetings to identi.ca automatically.
stpeterso let's poke the iteam about that -- I recall that a few folks volunteered to work on bots and such
KevRigh,t that was going to be my suggestion.
stpeternot folks who are doing anything right now, mind you :)
will.shewardlol
KevIf Board have ideas on getting membership active, please share.
KevIt seems to some people (me) that there are a core of the XSF who do rather a lot of work, and significant number of members who are only ever heard from at application time.
stpeterI think it would help to poke the members@ list 24 hours in advance about Board and Council meetings
will.shewardi think its just a case of driving the teams a bit more. getitng people to step into teams after election was a good thing. step 2 - energising teams
stpeteror have general member sessions once a month or whatever
Florianis there anything else? (need to run to Tescos) ....
will.shewardnothing here.
KevNot from me.
stpeterok
will.shewardminutes?
stpeterwe have notes at http://typewith.me/EyJg4G3XSr
stpeterfeel free to make corrections
stpeterand then we can post them to the members@ list
will.shewardok
Florianok ... great
FlorianI've got to dash then
will.shewardhappy shopping
Floriancheers :p
will.shewardstpeter: you want me to do minutes?
Floriangotta hunt down my dinner :)
stpeterwill.sheward: sure, I think we have most of what we need at http://typewith.me/EyJg4G3XSr
will.shewardyou dont have to hunt these days, the microwave meals are in aisle 3
stpeterperhaps list action items
stpeternext meeting on October 5?
will.shewardok - i'm going to be pushed for time tomorrow but will do on thursday
will.shewardoct 5 is ok for me
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will.shewardok - we done? Cos I need to eat
stpeteryes
stpeterme too
stpeterI've added action items at http://typewith.me/EyJg4G3XSr
will.shewardok - bye all, see you next time
stpeterfeel free to correct or supplement
will.shewardthanks peter
stpeterso I have:
Action Items:
- Peter to send sponsorship proposal to Internet Society
- Peter to follow up with Google about GSoC org payment
- Peter to contact Cisco representative about meeting room for XMPP Summit
- Peter to send invoice template to Jack
- Florian to follow up with Nokia and other company regarding sponsorship
- Matthew Wild to pursue bot integration for calendars (iteam)
- Will and Florian to define mini-summits support
- Will to post to members@ list about Board and Council elections
- Will to ping Communications Team about website maintenance
stpeterwanders off to heat up some lunch
will.shewardthose look good to me. Will heads for the kitchen.
stpeter:)
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stpeterKev: when is the next Council meeting?
KevMonday, 1800
stpeterok, I'll update that calendar while I'm at it
KevTa.
stpeterruns calgen.py this time!
Tobiasyay :)
stpeterok, I'm going to finish my lunch and take a brief walk to clear me head, bbiab
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