XSF Discussion - 2010-10-20

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  37. Nÿco hi
  38. Nÿco http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
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  40. stpeter I think we begin in 1 hour, no?
  41. stpeter hmph
  42. stpeter maybe not :|
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  44. Nÿco I cannot be there in an hour, sorry
  45. Nÿco it is so hard to organize a Board meeting!... ;-)
  46. stpeter heh
  47. stpeter who is online? we can poke them about showing up
  48. stpeter I don't see Will online
  49. stpeter Florian is around
  50. stpeter and Jack is away
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  52. Jehan Hello.
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  54. Florian yhello
  55. stpeter hi Florian
  56. stpeter and Jehan
  57. stpeter I pinged Jack but he is away
  58. Florian yeah
  59. Jehan Hi Peter. And Florian. ;-)
  60. Florian Will seems to be away too
  61. Nÿco well... what should we discuss about
  62. stpeter I didn't see Will online
  63. Nÿco is the agenda (copied-pasted from last minutes) ok?
  64. stpeter yes
  65. Nÿco so 1/
  66. Nÿco - New Website
  67. Nÿco but Will's not here
  68. Nÿco next item?
  69. stpeter heh
  70. stpeter well
  71. Nÿco 2/ Sponsors
  72. stpeter bear volunteered to maintain some pages
  73. stpeter e.g., the software pages
  74. Kev I've given bear access to do that.
  75. stpeter Jehan sent some bug reports but I don't know if those were fixed
  76. stpeter yes
  77. stpeter thanks, Kev
  78. stpeter and I've been pinging some folks about the services page, which I'm way behind on fixing
  79. stpeter or updating, rather
  80. Florian we've got our first sponsor Voxeo
  81. Florian we just need to put them on the site
  82. stpeter yeah
  83. stpeter super
  84. stpeter next week I will contact some other potential sponsors
  85. stpeter or maybe this Friday
  86. stpeter puts it on his calendar
  87. Florian :)
  88. stpeter ok
  89. Florian I'll bug Nokia once more
  90. stpeter Nÿco: I'm sorry about the time confusion
  91. Nÿco no pb
  92. Nÿco it's fixed now ;-)
  93. stpeter :)
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  95. stpeter so I think that's sponsors
  96. stpeter next?
  97. Nÿco - Roadmap update
  98. stpeter ah yes
  99. stpeter Florian was going to send a summary to the members@ list
  100. Nÿco have we summarized the discussions?
  101. Nÿco ok
  102. Nÿco is it a duty of the next Board?
  103. stpeter well Florian can send the summary as a regular member :)
  104. Nÿco http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
  105. Nÿco I mean, a duty to re-write and supervise?
  106. stpeter oh
  107. stpeter no, just to send the summary
  108. stpeter then we can update the document, or I can send proposed changes to the members@ list
  109. Nÿco ok
  110. stpeter I'll also put that on my calendar for this Friday
  111. Nÿco ok, thx
  112. Nÿco gee-soc?
  113. stpeter I think we can drop GSoC off the agenda, although I haven't followed up with payment -- that should be happening automatically because they have our data on file
  114. stpeter Friday will be my XSF day :)
  115. Nÿco - Elections
  116. stpeter yes, fun stuff
  117. Nÿco what do we need to talk about here?
  118. stpeter lots of good candidates this year -- it was hard to figure out my voting preferences!
  119. Nÿco maybe a few bot issues?
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  121. stpeter Kev raised a possible issue in the Council meeting the other day, but I'd prefer not to discuss that unless we experience a problem in the voting :)
  122. Kev :)
  123. stpeter but after this round of voting I think we might need to fix the procedures yet again :(
  124. Kev On the plus side, this isn't a bylaws change needed to fix it :)
  125. stpeter http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/101018/#18:10:14 is you're curious
  126. koski stpeter: Merci
  127. stpeter Nÿco: what else is on the agenda? I'm running another meeting while I'm in this one and I haven't found the agenda email yet :/
  128. Nÿco - Mini Summits
  129. stpeter do we need to sanction these? have some meetups and enjoy! :)
  130. stpeter but perhaps people would like some kind of official blessing?
  131. Nÿco yes, this can be done without the XSF ascend
  132. Nÿco so, no more items in this agenda
  133. stpeter Florian: what do you think?
  134. Kev As long as they get announced on the sensible MLs, I think it's fine.
  135. Nÿco any more item you should to talk about?
  136. Kev For my non-Board opinion.
  137. stpeter laughs at Kev's message on the XMPP WG list
  138. Nÿco ok then, last item: next meeting => should we let the next board decide?
  139. stpeter so it seems :)
  140. Nÿco http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL minutes, please review, fix, correct, amend, etc.
  141. stpeter I'll check the minutes a bit after my other meeting finishes
  142. stpeter and presumably Will and Jack might show up in 15 minutes, at which time we'll have this meeting all over again ;-)
  143. Nÿco ;-)
  144. Nÿco ok, I need to leave you now
  145. Nÿco sorry
  146. stpeter no problem!
  147. stpeter thanks
  148. Nÿco thank to you
  149. Nÿco bye
  150. stpeter sorry again about the confusion
  151. Nÿco np ;-)
  152. stpeter bye!
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  154. Jehan So that's a board meeting...
  155. Jehan Fast. :-D
  156. stpeter heehee
  157. Jehan So the XSF has actually only one sponsor right now?
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  160. stpeter Jehan: well, it depends on how you count :)
  161. jack sorry. i was out doing errands and planning to be back at noon :)
  162. Jehan I don't know: up to 10, with my hand fingers, up to 20 with my foot fingers, after this I cannot count.
  163. Jehan :-D
  164. jack just in time to have made it to the meeting that was at the wrong time :)
  165. will.sheward and i was stuck in traffic
  166. will.sheward so we both fail :-(
  167. stpeter it was my fault
  168. will.sheward i'm happy to blame others :-)
  169. Kev I suspect it was a marketing problem.
  170. will.sheward shut up
  171. will.sheward oh, actually the calendar says the meetings starts in 3 mins
  172. stpeter minutes at http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
  173. stpeter will.sheward: because I got it wrong
  174. stpeter so you guys can review the minutes and see if you have other issues
  175. will.sheward so it was just me missing then?
  176. stpeter and Jack
  177. stpeter laughs
  178. stpeter I like Will's edits
  179. will.sheward i'm a stickler for accuracy
  180. will.sheward is there a chat log to read?
  181. stpeter I can paste the log from this room into the minutes
  182. stpeter please hold
  183. Kev Yes, this room is logged isn't it?
  184. stpeter oh
  185. stpeter sure
  186. stpeter http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/101020/
  187. will.sheward thanks peter
  188. Kev That's the puppy.
  189. stpeter now you have two options for your reading pleasure
  190. will.sheward ok read the minutes (that was a quick meeting!).
  191. stpeter it just seemed quick :P
  192. will.sheward I'm of to get dinner. I may see you at the next meeting, or I may not :-)
  193. stpeter :P
  194. stpeter will.sheward: anything we need to know about the website?
  195. will.sheward yes, it's awesome.
  196. stpeter ideal!
  197. will.sheward i'm still writing up notes, i'll make sure the correct people have them. but things are settling down. just need to sort redirects.
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  199. Jehan Yeah I really like the new website as well. Just to say.
  200. stpeter thanks
  201. stpeter Will gets the credit
  202. Jehan credit?
  203. Jehan Ah.
  204. stpeter he did the work, so we praise him above all others :)
  205. Jehan Will, as Will Sheward, not "will" as future auxiliary. :-D
  206. stpeter correct
  207. stpeter it's quite confusing to write the minutes :)
  208. Jehan Why is that?
  209. stpeter "Will will do X"
  210. stpeter so I write them as "Will to do X, Jack to do Y"
  211. stpeter jack: any feedback on the minutes or log?
  212. jack looked good to me
  213. Jehan uhuh
  214. Jehan jack: why is your writing displayed in big characters?
  215. stpeter most excellent
  216. Jehan At least here (with Pidgin today).
  217. stpeter XHTML-IM, I suppose
  218. jack adium hates me i think
  219. stpeter laughs
  220. Jehan I guess. But I was wondering if he made it on purpose. Something like he has such an ego that he modified his default conf, thinking "everyone must see my text soooo much bigger!!!". :-D
  221. Kev We can configure the room to strip that if you like.
  222. Kev Ah, no we can't, this is xmpp.org.
  223. stpeter right
  224. Jehan What is the difference with jabber.org?
  225. Kev Different software.
  226. Jehan The server?
  227. Jehan Ok. Wht is on xmpp.org?
  228. Kev Prosody.
  229. Jehan Ok.
  230. stpeter and they are run on different machines, too
  231. Jehan Is that also an opened server?
  232. Jehan I mean, people can make JID with xmpp.org?
  233. Kev There are no user accounts, if that's what you're asking.
  234. Kev No.
  235. Jehan Ok.
  236. stpeter I suppose we could create accounts @ xmpp.org for XSF members
  237. Jehan Yeah, it would be classy. :-D
  238. Kev I don't think there's much value in this.
  239. Kev The iteam have enough to do without managing an IM server as well :)
  240. Jehan I don't think either indeed, except for the ego.
  241. stpeter aw, it's all about Facebook now anyway
  242. stpeter IM is so 1990s
  243. Jehan I still don't understand what people do on Facebook anyway.
  244. Jehan And as you need an account to see, I will probably never understand. That's stupid, they sell a service without showing what we can do with it before getting it!
  245. stpeter Jehan: trust me, it will change your life!
  246. Jehan uhuh
  247. stpeter and the whole world will know exactly how your life has changed, too ;-)
  248. Jehan I guess so.
  249. Jehan Yeah anyway Facebook already has many informations on me. People showed me photos and even videos of me on Facebook.
  250. stpeter crazy
  251. Jehan That's stupid, then there are stuffs about me on Facebook and I cannot even see them!
  252. Jehan I cannot even search for me with a search engine.
  253. stpeter "it's none of your business what we're saying about you!"
  254. stpeter Facebook makes me feel like I'm back in high school, and I don't want to go back :)
  255. stpeter anyway
  256. stpeter I need to complete a bunch of actions items from the other meeting I was in
  257. stpeter but first, some lunch
  258. Kev High school was a lot of music for me, I miss that :)
  259. Jehan Eh!
  260. stpeter plus my wrists hurt from being in two meetings at once
  261. stpeter bbiab
  262. Jehan Your meetings are only by chat?
  263. stpeter these meetings were
  264. stpeter I also have phone meetings sometimes
  265. Tobias i wonder how well that scales
  266. stpeter not very well if you're really involved in the meetings :)
  267. stpeter anyway, bbiab, must eat and I need to cook up lunch in order to have something to eat
  268. Jehan lol
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  270. Jehan For scaling phone meeting, I remember someone telling me about some system (I don't remember if it was only software or also hardware) where people needed to be given speak rights before being able to be heard.
  271. Jehan Like they request to be able to speak, then the meeting head would see it (lights or whatever) and would enable the audio for this guy. The person who spoke about it said he had done a lot of audio meeting with really many many people.
  272. Jehan Of course, then it is not fully "phone" meeting then I guess, more VOIP (unless it was using hardware linked to phones, I don't remember).
  273. Kev This approach works well for non-phone meetings, too.
  274. Jehan Yes. But it is still easier to "filter" people's writing on a chat (even though if you have a hundred guys all writing together, I agree it will be hard to follow and annoying meeting).
  275. Jehan Unless you mean physical meetings.
  276. Kev I meant the other type of meeting, the type where you meet.
  277. Jehan uhuh ok.
  278. stpeter well yeah, I even have physical meetings sometimes :)
  279. Jehan stpeter, the online man.
  280. Jehan By the way, my idea of running a donation campaign was so bad that nobody even answered? :-/
  281. stpeter I, for one, haven't seen that idea because I'm behind on email
  282. Jehan Ok.
  283. Kev If it was a long mail, I probably skipped it to save time.
  284. Jehan Basically I was thinking that we should not rely only on corporate donation and that we could try and run a donation campaign.
  285. Jehan Yeah sorry it was long I think. I am a little bad to make short emails.
  286. Jehan I saw that some XSF people assumed that not that many people out there would give. But I think otherwise. And we don't lose anything by trying anyway.
  287. Kev Well, apart from some credibility if it looks like we're begging ;)
  288. Kev Why do all my smiles turn out as winks?
  289. Kev - ;) + :)
  290. Jehan Hum.. When Wikipedia makes a donation campaign, nobody says they are begging.
  291. Kev Wikipedia is providing a service to the public that is a little different from an SDO.
  292. Kev I don't have a strong opinion on this, see what Board think.
  293. Jehan And that's also linked not only to money for money but as well to a logic of XSF management. Relying only on Corporate donations is in the end more dangerous. Not only because we might say that the bigger donors might end up gaining too much control; but also because if it works well, it means we would be afraid to lose these donors. A little like for Mozilla who would be annoyed I guess if they lost donations from Google (even though they claim otherwise).
  294. Jehan Many non-profit groups (some charity group among other things) even makes a clear rule that they cannot have more corporate donation than private donation to remain fully independant. I don't say we should have such rule, but that we should still try the private donation possibilities as well.
  295. Jehan It is not as direct a service to common people as Wikipedia, but it is still some service. And in the end, this is for all users of the Internet.
  296. Jehan SDO also need to get money to function. XSF decided to makes life easier for its member, like not making crazy prices for meetings (like IETF), which is very good in my own opinion. But it would still be nice for the XSF to have some money...
  297. Jehan For infrastructure, meetings, and so on.
  298. Jehan Anyway that's just an idea... Maybe the next board (the next board meeting is with the new board now, isn't it?) will be able to discuss this?
  299. Jehan Ok. I am going to bed right now.
  300. Jehan Good afternoon (I think) everyone!
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