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Nÿco
hi
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Nÿco
http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
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stpeter
I think we begin in 1 hour, no?
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stpeter
hmph
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stpeter
maybe not :|
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Nÿco
I cannot be there in an hour, sorry
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Nÿco
it is so hard to organize a Board meeting!... ;-)
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
who is online? we can poke them about showing up
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stpeter
I don't see Will online
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stpeter
Florian is around
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stpeter
and Jack is away
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Jehan
Hello.
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Florian
yhello
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stpeter
hi Florian
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stpeter
and Jehan
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stpeter
I pinged Jack but he is away
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Florian
yeah
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Jehan
Hi Peter. And Florian. ;-)
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Florian
Will seems to be away too
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Nÿco
well... what should we discuss about
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stpeter
I didn't see Will online
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Nÿco
is the agenda (copied-pasted from last minutes) ok?
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stpeter
yes
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Nÿco
so 1/
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Nÿco
- New Website
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Nÿco
but Will's not here
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Nÿco
next item?
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
well
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Nÿco
2/ Sponsors
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stpeter
bear volunteered to maintain some pages
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stpeter
e.g., the software pages
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Kev
I've given bear access to do that.
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stpeter
Jehan sent some bug reports but I don't know if those were fixed
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stpeter
yes
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stpeter
thanks, Kev
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stpeter
and I've been pinging some folks about the services page, which I'm way behind on fixing
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stpeter
or updating, rather
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Florian
we've got our first sponsor Voxeo
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Florian
we just need to put them on the site
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
super
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stpeter
next week I will contact some other potential sponsors
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stpeter
or maybe this Friday
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Florian
:)
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stpeter
ok
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Florian
I'll bug Nokia once more
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stpeter
Nÿco: I'm sorry about the time confusion
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Nÿco
no pb
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Nÿco
it's fixed now ;-)
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stpeter
:)
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stpeter
so I think that's sponsors
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stpeter
next?
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Nÿco
- Roadmap update
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stpeter
ah yes
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stpeter
Florian was going to send a summary to the members@ list
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Nÿco
have we summarized the discussions?
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Nÿco
ok
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Nÿco
is it a duty of the next Board?
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stpeter
well Florian can send the summary as a regular member :)
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Nÿco
http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
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Nÿco
I mean, a duty to re-write and supervise?
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stpeter
oh
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stpeter
no, just to send the summary
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stpeter
then we can update the document, or I can send proposed changes to the members@ list
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Nÿco
ok
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stpeter
I'll also put that on my calendar for this Friday
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Nÿco
ok, thx
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Nÿco
gee-soc?
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stpeter
I think we can drop GSoC off the agenda, although I haven't followed up with payment -- that should be happening automatically because they have our data on file
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stpeter
Friday will be my XSF day :)
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Nÿco
- Elections
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stpeter
yes, fun stuff
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Nÿco
what do we need to talk about here?
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stpeter
lots of good candidates this year -- it was hard to figure out my voting preferences!
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Nÿco
maybe a few bot issues?
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stpeter
Kev raised a possible issue in the Council meeting the other day, but I'd prefer not to discuss that unless we experience a problem in the voting :)
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Kev
:)
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stpeter
but after this round of voting I think we might need to fix the procedures yet again :(
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Kev
On the plus side, this isn't a bylaws change needed to fix it :)
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/101018/#18:10:14 is you're curious
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koski
stpeter: Merci
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stpeter
Nÿco: what else is on the agenda? I'm running another meeting while I'm in this one and I haven't found the agenda email yet :/
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Nÿco
- Mini Summits
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stpeter
do we need to sanction these? have some meetups and enjoy! :)
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stpeter
but perhaps people would like some kind of official blessing?
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Nÿco
yes, this can be done without the XSF ascend
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Nÿco
so, no more items in this agenda
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stpeter
Florian: what do you think?
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Kev
As long as they get announced on the sensible MLs, I think it's fine.
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Nÿco
any more item you should to talk about?
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Kev
For my non-Board opinion.
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Nÿco
ok then, last item: next meeting => should we let the next board decide?
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stpeter
so it seems :)
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Nÿco
http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL minutes, please review, fix, correct, amend, etc.
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stpeter
I'll check the minutes a bit after my other meeting finishes
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stpeter
and presumably Will and Jack might show up in 15 minutes, at which time we'll have this meeting all over again ;-)
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Nÿco
;-)
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Nÿco
ok, I need to leave you now
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Nÿco
sorry
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stpeter
no problem!
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stpeter
thanks
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Nÿco
thank to you
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Nÿco
bye
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stpeter
sorry again about the confusion
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Nÿco
np ;-)
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stpeter
bye!
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Jehan
So that's a board meeting...
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Jehan
Fast. :-D
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stpeter
heehee
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Jehan
So the XSF has actually only one sponsor right now?
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stpeter
Jehan: well, it depends on how you count :)
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jack
sorry. i was out doing errands and planning to be back at noon :)
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Jehan
I don't know: up to 10, with my hand fingers, up to 20 with my foot fingers, after this I cannot count.
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Jehan
:-D
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jack
just in time to have made it to the meeting that was at the wrong time :)
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will.sheward
and i was stuck in traffic
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will.sheward
so we both fail :-(
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stpeter
it was my fault
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will.sheward
i'm happy to blame others :-)
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Kev
I suspect it was a marketing problem.
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will.sheward
shut up
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will.sheward
oh, actually the calendar says the meetings starts in 3 mins
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stpeter
minutes at http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
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stpeter
will.sheward: because I got it wrong
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stpeter
so you guys can review the minutes and see if you have other issues
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will.sheward
so it was just me missing then?
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stpeter
and Jack
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stpeter
I like Will's edits
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will.sheward
i'm a stickler for accuracy
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will.sheward
is there a chat log to read?
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stpeter
I can paste the log from this room into the minutes
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stpeter
please hold
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Kev
Yes, this room is logged isn't it?
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stpeter
oh
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stpeter
sure
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/101020/
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will.sheward
thanks peter
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Kev
That's the puppy.
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stpeter
now you have two options for your reading pleasure
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will.sheward
ok read the minutes (that was a quick meeting!).
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stpeter
it just seemed quick :P
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will.sheward
I'm of to get dinner. I may see you at the next meeting, or I may not :-)
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stpeter
:P
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stpeter
will.sheward: anything we need to know about the website?
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will.sheward
yes, it's awesome.
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stpeter
ideal!
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will.sheward
i'm still writing up notes, i'll make sure the correct people have them. but things are settling down. just need to sort redirects.
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Jehan
Yeah I really like the new website as well. Just to say.
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stpeter
thanks
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stpeter
Will gets the credit
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Jehan
credit?
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Jehan
Ah.
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stpeter
he did the work, so we praise him above all others :)
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Jehan
Will, as Will Sheward, not "will" as future auxiliary. :-D
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stpeter
correct
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stpeter
it's quite confusing to write the minutes :)
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Jehan
Why is that?
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stpeter
"Will will do X"
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stpeter
so I write them as "Will to do X, Jack to do Y"
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stpeter
jack: any feedback on the minutes or log?
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jack
looked good to me
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Jehan
uhuh
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Jehan
jack: why is your writing displayed in big characters?
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stpeter
most excellent
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Jehan
At least here (with Pidgin today).
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stpeter
XHTML-IM, I suppose
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jack
adium hates me i think
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Jehan
I guess. But I was wondering if he made it on purpose. Something like he has such an ego that he modified his default conf, thinking "everyone must see my text soooo much bigger!!!". :-D
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Kev
We can configure the room to strip that if you like.
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Kev
Ah, no we can't, this is xmpp.org.
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stpeter
right
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Jehan
What is the difference with jabber.org?
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Kev
Different software.
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Jehan
The server?
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Jehan
Ok. Wht is on xmpp.org?
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Kev
Prosody.
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Jehan
Ok.
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stpeter
and they are run on different machines, too
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Jehan
Is that also an opened server?
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Jehan
I mean, people can make JID with xmpp.org?
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Kev
There are no user accounts, if that's what you're asking.
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Kev
No.
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Jehan
Ok.
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stpeter
I suppose we could create accounts @ xmpp.org for XSF members
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Jehan
Yeah, it would be classy. :-D
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Kev
I don't think there's much value in this.
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Kev
The iteam have enough to do without managing an IM server as well :)
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Jehan
I don't think either indeed, except for the ego.
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stpeter
aw, it's all about Facebook now anyway
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stpeter
IM is so 1990s
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Jehan
I still don't understand what people do on Facebook anyway.
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Jehan
And as you need an account to see, I will probably never understand. That's stupid, they sell a service without showing what we can do with it before getting it!
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stpeter
Jehan: trust me, it will change your life!
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Jehan
uhuh
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stpeter
and the whole world will know exactly how your life has changed, too ;-)
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Jehan
I guess so.
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Jehan
Yeah anyway Facebook already has many informations on me. People showed me photos and even videos of me on Facebook.
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stpeter
crazy
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Jehan
That's stupid, then there are stuffs about me on Facebook and I cannot even see them!
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Jehan
I cannot even search for me with a search engine.
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stpeter
"it's none of your business what we're saying about you!"
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stpeter
Facebook makes me feel like I'm back in high school, and I don't want to go back :)
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stpeter
anyway
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stpeter
I need to complete a bunch of actions items from the other meeting I was in
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stpeter
but first, some lunch
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Kev
High school was a lot of music for me, I miss that :)
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Jehan
Eh!
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stpeter
plus my wrists hurt from being in two meetings at once
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stpeter
bbiab
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Jehan
Your meetings are only by chat?
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stpeter
these meetings were
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stpeter
I also have phone meetings sometimes
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Tobias
i wonder how well that scales
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stpeter
not very well if you're really involved in the meetings :)
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stpeter
anyway, bbiab, must eat and I need to cook up lunch in order to have something to eat
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Jehan
lol
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Jehan
For scaling phone meeting, I remember someone telling me about some system (I don't remember if it was only software or also hardware) where people needed to be given speak rights before being able to be heard.
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Jehan
Like they request to be able to speak, then the meeting head would see it (lights or whatever) and would enable the audio for this guy. The person who spoke about it said he had done a lot of audio meeting with really many many people.
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Jehan
Of course, then it is not fully "phone" meeting then I guess, more VOIP (unless it was using hardware linked to phones, I don't remember).
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Kev
This approach works well for non-phone meetings, too.
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Jehan
Yes. But it is still easier to "filter" people's writing on a chat (even though if you have a hundred guys all writing together, I agree it will be hard to follow and annoying meeting).
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Jehan
Unless you mean physical meetings.
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Kev
I meant the other type of meeting, the type where you meet.
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Jehan
uhuh ok.
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stpeter
well yeah, I even have physical meetings sometimes :)
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Jehan
stpeter, the online man.
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Jehan
By the way, my idea of running a donation campaign was so bad that nobody even answered? :-/
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stpeter
I, for one, haven't seen that idea because I'm behind on email
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Jehan
Ok.
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Kev
If it was a long mail, I probably skipped it to save time.
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Jehan
Basically I was thinking that we should not rely only on corporate donation and that we could try and run a donation campaign.
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Jehan
Yeah sorry it was long I think. I am a little bad to make short emails.
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Jehan
I saw that some XSF people assumed that not that many people out there would give. But I think otherwise. And we don't lose anything by trying anyway.
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Kev
Well, apart from some credibility if it looks like we're begging ;)
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Kev
Why do all my smiles turn out as winks?
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Kev
- ;) + :)
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Jehan
Hum.. When Wikipedia makes a donation campaign, nobody says they are begging.
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Kev
Wikipedia is providing a service to the public that is a little different from an SDO.
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Kev
I don't have a strong opinion on this, see what Board think.
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Jehan
And that's also linked not only to money for money but as well to a logic of XSF management. Relying only on Corporate donations is in the end more dangerous. Not only because we might say that the bigger donors might end up gaining too much control; but also because if it works well, it means we would be afraid to lose these donors. A little like for Mozilla who would be annoyed I guess if they lost donations from Google (even though they claim otherwise).
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Jehan
Many non-profit groups (some charity group among other things) even makes a clear rule that they cannot have more corporate donation than private donation to remain fully independant. I don't say we should have such rule, but that we should still try the private donation possibilities as well.
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Jehan
It is not as direct a service to common people as Wikipedia, but it is still some service. And in the end, this is for all users of the Internet.
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Jehan
SDO also need to get money to function. XSF decided to makes life easier for its member, like not making crazy prices for meetings (like IETF), which is very good in my own opinion. But it would still be nice for the XSF to have some money...
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Jehan
For infrastructure, meetings, and so on.
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Jehan
Anyway that's just an idea... Maybe the next board (the next board meeting is with the new board now, isn't it?) will be able to discuss this?
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Jehan
Ok. I am going to bed right now.
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Jehan
Good afternoon (I think) everyone!
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