XSF Discussion - 2010-10-20

hi

http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL

I think we begin in 1 hour, no?

hmph

maybe not :|

I cannot be there in an hour, sorry

it is so hard to organize a Board meeting!... ;-)

heh

who is online? we can poke them about showing up

I don't see Will online

Florian is around

and Jack is away

Hello.

yhello

hi Florian

and Jehan

I pinged Jack but he is away

yeah

Hi Peter. And Florian. ;-)

Will seems to be away too

well... what should we discuss about

I didn't see Will online

is the agenda (copied-pasted from last minutes) ok?

yes

so 1/

- New Website

but Will's not here

next item?

heh

well

2/ Sponsors

bear volunteered to maintain some pages

e.g., the software pages

I've given bear access to do that.

Jehan sent some bug reports but I don't know if those were fixed

yes

thanks, Kev

and I've been pinging some folks about the services page, which I'm way behind on fixing

or updating, rather

we've got our first sponsor Voxeo

we just need to put them on the site

yeah

super

next week I will contact some other potential sponsors

or maybe this Friday

:)

ok

I'll bug Nokia once more

Nÿco: I'm sorry about the time confusion

no pb

it's fixed now ;-)

:)

so I think that's sponsors

next?

- Roadmap update

ah yes

Florian was going to send a summary to the members@ list

have we summarized the discussions?

ok

is it a duty of the next Board?

well Florian can send the summary as a regular member :)

http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL

I mean, a duty to re-write and supervise?

oh

no, just to send the summary

then we can update the document, or I can send proposed changes to the members@ list

ok

I'll also put that on my calendar for this Friday

ok, thx

gee-soc?

I think we can drop GSoC off the agenda, although I haven't followed up with payment -- that should be happening automatically because they have our data on file

Friday will be my XSF day :)

- Elections

yes, fun stuff

what do we need to talk about here?

lots of good candidates this year -- it was hard to figure out my voting preferences!

maybe a few bot issues?

Kev raised a possible issue in the Council meeting the other day, but I'd prefer not to discuss that unless we experience a problem in the voting :)

:)

but after this round of voting I think we might need to fix the procedures yet again :(

On the plus side, this isn't a bylaws change needed to fix it :)

http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/101018/#18:10:14 is you're curious

stpeter: Merci

Nÿco: what else is on the agenda? I'm running another meeting while I'm in this one and I haven't found the agenda email yet :/

- Mini Summits

do we need to sanction these? have some meetups and enjoy! :)

but perhaps people would like some kind of official blessing?

yes, this can be done without the XSF ascend

so, no more items in this agenda

Florian: what do you think?

As long as they get announced on the sensible MLs, I think it's fine.

any more item you should to talk about?

For my non-Board opinion.

ok then, last item: next meeting => should we let the next board decide?

so it seems :)

http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL minutes, please review, fix, correct, amend, etc.

I'll check the minutes a bit after my other meeting finishes

and presumably Will and Jack might show up in 15 minutes, at which time we'll have this meeting all over again ;-)

;-)

ok, I need to leave you now

sorry

no problem!

thanks

thank to you

bye

sorry again about the confusion

np ;-)

bye!

So that's a board meeting...

Fast. :-D

heehee

So the XSF has actually only one sponsor right now?

Jehan: well, it depends on how you count :)

sorry. i was out doing errands and planning to be back at noon :)

I don't know: up to 10, with my hand fingers, up to 20 with my foot fingers, after this I cannot count.

:-D

just in time to have made it to the meeting that was at the wrong time :)

and i was stuck in traffic

so we both fail :-(

it was my fault

i'm happy to blame others :-)

I suspect it was a marketing problem.

shut up

oh, actually the calendar says the meetings starts in 3 mins

minutes at http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL

will.sheward: because I got it wrong

so you guys can review the minutes and see if you have other issues

so it was just me missing then?

and Jack

I like Will's edits

i'm a stickler for accuracy

is there a chat log to read?

I can paste the log from this room into the minutes

please hold

Yes, this room is logged isn't it?

oh

sure

http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/101020/

thanks peter

That's the puppy.

now you have two options for your reading pleasure

ok read the minutes (that was a quick meeting!).

it just seemed quick :P

I'm of to get dinner. I may see you at the next meeting, or I may not :-)

:P

will.sheward: anything we need to know about the website?

yes, it's awesome.

ideal!

i'm still writing up notes, i'll make sure the correct people have them. but things are settling down. just need to sort redirects.

Yeah I really like the new website as well. Just to say.

thanks

Will gets the credit

credit?

Ah.

he did the work, so we praise him above all others :)

Will, as Will Sheward, not "will" as future auxiliary. :-D

correct

it's quite confusing to write the minutes :)

Why is that?

"Will will do X"

so I write them as "Will to do X, Jack to do Y"

jack: any feedback on the minutes or log?

looked good to me

uhuh

jack: why is your writing displayed in big characters?

most excellent

At least here (with Pidgin today).

XHTML-IM, I suppose

adium hates me i think

I guess. But I was wondering if he made it on purpose. Something like he has such an ego that he modified his default conf, thinking "everyone must see my text soooo much bigger!!!". :-D

We can configure the room to strip that if you like.

Ah, no we can't, this is xmpp.org.

right

What is the difference with jabber.org?

Different software.

The server?

Ok. Wht is on xmpp.org?

Prosody.

Ok.

and they are run on different machines, too

Is that also an opened server?

I mean, people can make JID with xmpp.org?

There are no user accounts, if that's what you're asking.

No.

Ok.

I suppose we could create accounts @ xmpp.org for XSF members

Yeah, it would be classy. :-D

I don't think there's much value in this.

The iteam have enough to do without managing an IM server as well :)

I don't think either indeed, except for the ego.

aw, it's all about Facebook now anyway

IM is so 1990s

I still don't understand what people do on Facebook anyway.

And as you need an account to see, I will probably never understand. That's stupid, they sell a service without showing what we can do with it before getting it!

Jehan: trust me, it will change your life!

uhuh

and the whole world will know exactly how your life has changed, too ;-)

I guess so.

Yeah anyway Facebook already has many informations on me. People showed me photos and even videos of me on Facebook.

crazy

That's stupid, then there are stuffs about me on Facebook and I cannot even see them!

I cannot even search for me with a search engine.

"it's none of your business what we're saying about you!"

Facebook makes me feel like I'm back in high school, and I don't want to go back :)

anyway

I need to complete a bunch of actions items from the other meeting I was in

but first, some lunch

High school was a lot of music for me, I miss that :)

Eh!

plus my wrists hurt from being in two meetings at once

bbiab

Your meetings are only by chat?

these meetings were

I also have phone meetings sometimes

i wonder how well that scales

not very well if you're really involved in the meetings :)

anyway, bbiab, must eat and I need to cook up lunch in order to have something to eat

lol

For scaling phone meeting, I remember someone telling me about some system (I don't remember if it was only software or also hardware) where people needed to be given speak rights before being able to be heard.

Like they request to be able to speak, then the meeting head would see it (lights or whatever) and would enable the audio for this guy. The person who spoke about it said he had done a lot of audio meeting with really many many people.

Of course, then it is not fully "phone" meeting then I guess, more VOIP (unless it was using hardware linked to phones, I don't remember).

This approach works well for non-phone meetings, too.

Yes. But it is still easier to "filter" people's writing on a chat (even though if you have a hundred guys all writing together, I agree it will be hard to follow and annoying meeting).

Unless you mean physical meetings.

I meant the other type of meeting, the type where you meet.

uhuh ok.

well yeah, I even have physical meetings sometimes :)

stpeter, the online man.

By the way, my idea of running a donation campaign was so bad that nobody even answered? :-/

I, for one, haven't seen that idea because I'm behind on email

Ok.

If it was a long mail, I probably skipped it to save time.

Basically I was thinking that we should not rely only on corporate donation and that we could try and run a donation campaign.

Yeah sorry it was long I think. I am a little bad to make short emails.

I saw that some XSF people assumed that not that many people out there would give. But I think otherwise. And we don't lose anything by trying anyway.

Well, apart from some credibility if it looks like we're begging ;)

Why do all my smiles turn out as winks?

- ;) + :)

Hum.. When Wikipedia makes a donation campaign, nobody says they are begging.

Wikipedia is providing a service to the public that is a little different from an SDO.

I don't have a strong opinion on this, see what Board think.

And that's also linked not only to money for money but as well to a logic of XSF management. Relying only on Corporate donations is in the end more dangerous. Not only because we might say that the bigger donors might end up gaining too much control; but also because if it works well, it means we would be afraid to lose these donors. A little like for Mozilla who would be annoyed I guess if they lost donations from Google (even though they claim otherwise).

Many non-profit groups (some charity group among other things) even makes a clear rule that they cannot have more corporate donation than private donation to remain fully independant. I don't say we should have such rule, but that we should still try the private donation possibilities as well.

It is not as direct a service to common people as Wikipedia, but it is still some service. And in the end, this is for all users of the Internet.

SDO also need to get money to function. XSF decided to makes life easier for its member, like not making crazy prices for meetings (like IETF), which is very good in my own opinion. But it would still be nice for the XSF to have some money...

For infrastructure, meetings, and so on.

Anyway that's just an idea... Maybe the next board (the next board meeting is with the new board now, isn't it?) will be able to discuss this?

Ok. I am going to bed right now.

Good afternoon (I think) everyone!