Nÿcoit is so hard to organize a Board meeting!... ;-)
stpeterheh
stpeterwho is online? we can poke them about showing up
stpeterI don't see Will online
stpeterFlorian is around
stpeterand Jack is away
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JehanHello.
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Florianyhello
stpeterhi Florian
stpeterand Jehan
stpeterI pinged Jack but he is away
Florianyeah
JehanHi Peter. And Florian. ;-)
FlorianWill seems to be away too
Nÿcowell... what should we discuss about
stpeterI didn't see Will online
Nÿcois the agenda (copied-pasted from last minutes) ok?
stpeteryes
Nÿcoso 1/
Nÿco- New Website
Nÿcobut Will's not here
Nÿconext item?
stpeterheh
stpeterwell
Nÿco2/ Sponsors
stpeterbear volunteered to maintain some pages
stpetere.g., the software pages
KevI've given bear access to do that.
stpeterJehan sent some bug reports but I don't know if those were fixed
stpeteryes
stpeterthanks, Kev
stpeterand I've been pinging some folks about the services page, which I'm way behind on fixing
stpeteror updating, rather
Florianwe've got our first sponsor Voxeo
Florianwe just need to put them on the site
stpeteryeah
stpetersuper
stpeternext week I will contact some other potential sponsors
stpeteror maybe this Friday
stpeterputs it on his calendar
Florian:)
stpeterok
FlorianI'll bug Nokia once more
stpeterNÿco: I'm sorry about the time confusion
Nÿcono pb
Nÿcoit's fixed now ;-)
stpeter:)
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stpeterso I think that's sponsors
stpeternext?
Nÿco- Roadmap update
stpeterah yes
stpeterFlorian was going to send a summary to the members@ list
Nÿcohave we summarized the discussions?
Nÿcook
Nÿcois it a duty of the next Board?
stpeterwell Florian can send the summary as a regular member :)
Nÿcohttp://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
NÿcoI mean, a duty to re-write and supervise?
stpeteroh
stpeterno, just to send the summary
stpeterthen we can update the document, or I can send proposed changes to the members@ list
Nÿcook
stpeterI'll also put that on my calendar for this Friday
Nÿcook, thx
Nÿcogee-soc?
stpeterI think we can drop GSoC off the agenda, although I haven't followed up with payment -- that should be happening automatically because they have our data on file
stpeterFriday will be my XSF day :)
Nÿco- Elections
stpeteryes, fun stuff
Nÿcowhat do we need to talk about here?
stpeterlots of good candidates this year -- it was hard to figure out my voting preferences!
Nÿcomaybe a few bot issues?
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stpeterKev raised a possible issue in the Council meeting the other day, but I'd prefer not to discuss that unless we experience a problem in the voting :)
Kev:)
stpeterbut after this round of voting I think we might need to fix the procedures yet again :(
KevOn the plus side, this isn't a bylaws change needed to fix it :)
stpeterhttp://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/101018/#18:10:14 is you're curious
koskistpeter: Merci
stpeterNÿco: what else is on the agenda? I'm running another meeting while I'm in this one and I haven't found the agenda email yet :/
Nÿco- Mini Summits
stpeterdo we need to sanction these? have some meetups and enjoy! :)
stpeterbut perhaps people would like some kind of official blessing?
Nÿcoyes, this can be done without the XSF ascend
Nÿcoso, no more items in this agenda
stpeterFlorian: what do you think?
KevAs long as they get announced on the sensible MLs, I think it's fine.
Nÿcoany more item you should to talk about?
KevFor my non-Board opinion.
stpeterlaughs at Kev's message on the XMPP WG list
Nÿcook then, last item: next meeting => should we let the next board decide?
stpeterso it seems :)
Nÿcohttp://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL minutes, please review, fix, correct, amend, etc.
stpeterI'll check the minutes a bit after my other meeting finishes
stpeterand presumably Will and Jack might show up in 15 minutes, at which time we'll have this meeting all over again ;-)
Nÿco;-)
Nÿcook, I need to leave you now
Nÿcosorry
stpeterno problem!
stpeterthanks
Nÿcothank to you
Nÿcobye
stpetersorry again about the confusion
Nÿconp ;-)
stpeterbye!
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JehanSo that's a board meeting...
JehanFast. :-D
stpeterheehee
JehanSo the XSF has actually only one sponsor right now?
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stpeterJehan: well, it depends on how you count :)
jacksorry. i was out doing errands and planning to be back at noon :)
JehanI don't know: up to 10, with my hand fingers, up to 20 with my foot fingers, after this I cannot count.
Jehan:-D
jackjust in time to have made it to the meeting that was at the wrong time :)
will.shewardand i was stuck in traffic
will.shewardso we both fail :-(
stpeterit was my fault
will.shewardi'm happy to blame others :-)
KevI suspect it was a marketing problem.
will.shewardshut up
will.shewardoh, actually the calendar says the meetings starts in 3 mins
stpeterminutes at http://typewith.me/YPtgqcetvL
stpeterwill.sheward: because I got it wrong
stpeterso you guys can review the minutes and see if you have other issues
will.shewardso it was just me missing then?
stpeterand Jack
stpeterlaughs
stpeterI like Will's edits
will.shewardi'm a stickler for accuracy
will.shewardis there a chat log to read?
stpeterI can paste the log from this room into the minutes
stpeternow you have two options for your reading pleasure
will.shewardok read the minutes (that was a quick meeting!).
stpeterit just seemed quick :P
will.shewardI'm of to get dinner. I may see you at the next meeting, or I may not :-)
stpeter:P
stpeterwill.sheward: anything we need to know about the website?
will.shewardyes, it's awesome.
stpeterideal!
will.shewardi'm still writing up notes, i'll make sure the correct people have them. but things are settling down. just need to sort redirects.
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JehanYeah I really like the new website as well. Just to say.
stpeterthanks
stpeterWill gets the credit
Jehancredit?
JehanAh.
stpeterhe did the work, so we praise him above all others :)
JehanWill, as Will Sheward, not "will" as future auxiliary. :-D
stpetercorrect
stpeterit's quite confusing to write the minutes :)
JehanWhy is that?
stpeter"Will will do X"
stpeterso I write them as "Will to do X, Jack to do Y"
stpeterjack: any feedback on the minutes or log?
jacklooked good to me
Jehanuhuh
Jehanjack: why is your writing displayed in big characters?
stpetermost excellent
JehanAt least here (with Pidgin today).
stpeterXHTML-IM, I suppose
jackadium hates me i think
stpeterlaughs
JehanI guess. But I was wondering if he made it on purpose. Something like he has such an ego that he modified his default conf, thinking "everyone must see my text soooo much bigger!!!". :-D
KevWe can configure the room to strip that if you like.
KevAh, no we can't, this is xmpp.org.
stpeterright
JehanWhat is the difference with jabber.org?
KevDifferent software.
JehanThe server?
JehanOk. Wht is on xmpp.org?
KevProsody.
JehanOk.
stpeterand they are run on different machines, too
JehanIs that also an opened server?
JehanI mean, people can make JID with xmpp.org?
KevThere are no user accounts, if that's what you're asking.
KevNo.
JehanOk.
stpeterI suppose we could create accounts @ xmpp.org for XSF members
JehanYeah, it would be classy. :-D
KevI don't think there's much value in this.
KevThe iteam have enough to do without managing an IM server as well :)
JehanI don't think either indeed, except for the ego.
stpeteraw, it's all about Facebook now anyway
stpeterIM is so 1990s
JehanI still don't understand what people do on Facebook anyway.
JehanAnd as you need an account to see, I will probably never understand. That's stupid, they sell a service without showing what we can do with it before getting it!
stpeterJehan: trust me, it will change your life!
Jehanuhuh
stpeterand the whole world will know exactly how your life has changed, too ;-)
JehanI guess so.
JehanYeah anyway Facebook already has many informations on me. People showed me photos and even videos of me on Facebook.
stpetercrazy
JehanThat's stupid, then there are stuffs about me on Facebook and I cannot even see them!
JehanI cannot even search for me with a search engine.
stpeter"it's none of your business what we're saying about you!"
stpeterFacebook makes me feel like I'm back in high school, and I don't want to go back :)
stpeteranyway
stpeterI need to complete a bunch of actions items from the other meeting I was in
stpeterbut first, some lunch
KevHigh school was a lot of music for me, I miss that :)
JehanEh!
stpeterplus my wrists hurt from being in two meetings at once
stpeterbbiab
JehanYour meetings are only by chat?
stpeterthese meetings were
stpeterI also have phone meetings sometimes
Tobiasi wonder how well that scales
stpeternot very well if you're really involved in the meetings :)
stpeteranyway, bbiab, must eat and I need to cook up lunch in order to have something to eat
Jehanlol
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JehanFor scaling phone meeting, I remember someone telling me about some system (I don't remember if it was only software or also hardware) where people needed to be given speak rights before being able to be heard.
JehanLike they request to be able to speak, then the meeting head would see it (lights or whatever) and would enable the audio for this guy. The person who spoke about it said he had done a lot of audio meeting with really many many people.
JehanOf course, then it is not fully "phone" meeting then I guess, more VOIP (unless it was using hardware linked to phones, I don't remember).
KevThis approach works well for non-phone meetings, too.
JehanYes. But it is still easier to "filter" people's writing on a chat (even though if you have a hundred guys all writing together, I agree it will be hard to follow and annoying meeting).
JehanUnless you mean physical meetings.
KevI meant the other type of meeting, the type where you meet.
Jehanuhuh ok.
stpeterwell yeah, I even have physical meetings sometimes :)
Jehanstpeter, the online man.
JehanBy the way, my idea of running a donation campaign was so bad that nobody even answered? :-/
stpeterI, for one, haven't seen that idea because I'm behind on email
JehanOk.
KevIf it was a long mail, I probably skipped it to save time.
JehanBasically I was thinking that we should not rely only on corporate donation and that we could try and run a donation campaign.
JehanYeah sorry it was long I think. I am a little bad to make short emails.
JehanI saw that some XSF people assumed that not that many people out there would give. But I think otherwise. And we don't lose anything by trying anyway.
KevWell, apart from some credibility if it looks like we're begging ;)
KevWhy do all my smiles turn out as winks?
Kev- ;) + :)
JehanHum.. When Wikipedia makes a donation campaign, nobody says they are begging.
KevWikipedia is providing a service to the public that is a little different from an SDO.
KevI don't have a strong opinion on this, see what Board think.
JehanAnd that's also linked not only to money for money but as well to a logic of XSF management. Relying only on Corporate donations is in the end more dangerous. Not only because we might say that the bigger donors might end up gaining too much control; but also because if it works well, it means we would be afraid to lose these donors. A little like for Mozilla who would be annoyed I guess if they lost donations from Google (even though they claim otherwise).
JehanMany non-profit groups (some charity group among other things) even makes a clear rule that they cannot have more corporate donation than private donation to remain fully independant. I don't say we should have such rule, but that we should still try the private donation possibilities as well.
JehanIt is not as direct a service to common people as Wikipedia, but it is still some service. And in the end, this is for all users of the Internet.
JehanSDO also need to get money to function. XSF decided to makes life easier for its member, like not making crazy prices for meetings (like IETF), which is very good in my own opinion. But it would still be nice for the XSF to have some money...
JehanFor infrastructure, meetings, and so on.
JehanAnyway that's just an idea... Maybe the next board (the next board meeting is with the new board now, isn't it?) will be able to discuss this?
XSF Discussion - 2010-10-20