XSF Discussion - 2010-11-10

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16:50:19 Nÿco meeting in 12 minutes?
16:50:22 Nÿco lag-test
16:54:06 bear is there a board muc like there is for council?
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17:00:22 Will hi jack
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17:00:41 Florian hi
17:00:47 Florian so ... time for the board meeting?
17:00:55 Will 30 seconds :-)
17:02:07 Will Are we all here?
17:02:27 Florian Peter is missing
17:02:39 jack seems so
17:03:11 jack Welcome everyone to the first meeting of the 2010/2011 board :)
17:03:15 Will !
17:03:35 Will welcome especially Mike
17:03:40 jack Indeed!
17:03:43 Florian indeed
17:03:46 jack Fresh blood is always good.
17:03:50 bear who?
17:03:56 bear oh me!
17:03:58 Will some bloke, i dunno
17:04:35 jack So as with every newly seated board, we have to nominate some officers
17:05:05 Florian yup
17:05:11 jack I believe we need ED, Secretary, and Treasurer
17:05:43 Florian I'd propose Peter to take the position of ED if he's up for it
17:05:47 jack oh, and board chair
17:05:50 jack seconded
17:05:58 Will thirded
17:06:01 jack I'll volunteer for treasurer again
17:06:05 Will especially as he's not here ;-)
17:06:08 Florian seconded
17:06:11 bear devious
17:06:23 Will stpeter now gets all the bad jobs
17:06:28 Florian haha
17:06:44 jack Alexander is our current secretary, and he did a good job as I recall last year. Does anyone know if he's up for doing it again?
17:06:57 Will he's not said as far as i know.
17:07:04 Florian hmm
17:07:13 Florian I'd say ... let's ask him
17:07:15 jack I'd suggest we contact him and ask
17:07:19 Will +1
17:07:23 Florian :)
17:07:37 Will note we're not contacting peter, just assuming
17:07:44 Florian haha
17:08:08 jack I'll email them both right now
17:08:23 Will cool
17:08:38 jack Bear, you seemed to be quite organized :) Want to ttake a crack at Chair?
17:08:54 Florian :)
17:09:04 bear what does that entail?
17:09:16 Will quick, vote him in while he's still typing on typewithme and doesn't notice ;-)
17:09:22 bear :P
17:09:45 Florian +1
17:09:47 jack mostly that you make some agendas
17:09:48 Will you get to have a longer title than the rest of us and bang a gavel
17:09:52 jack although I guess nyco has been doing that :)
17:09:56 bear if it is just herding cats and making thingssmooth for others - sure
17:10:22 Will I second bear for big chairman role
17:10:25 jack There might be a bylaw or two were you break tie votes for other things, but AFAIK none of that has ever been used.
17:10:51 bear k
17:11:00 Will you have no real power, we just get to blame you if things go wrong
17:11:16 bear well damn, since you put it that way, where do I sign up!
17:11:26 Will I'm not hearing anything from nyco - is he here?
17:11:38 Florian Nÿco?
17:11:48 bear he did a "lag test" about 15 minutes before the meeting started
17:12:09 Will latency in france must be a b**ch
17:12:18 Florian lol
17:12:36 Neustradamus :D
17:13:09 Nÿco yep
17:13:13 Will aha!
17:13:21 Florian he's alive!
17:13:27 Nÿco my client is
17:13:39 Nÿco lag-test
17:13:45 Nÿco awful
17:13:51 Nÿco but still I can follow
17:13:55 Florian using OneTeam again? :p
17:14:07 Nÿco no, Psi+
17:14:11 Florian sorry ... just had to crack that joke :p
17:14:11 bear chuckles
17:14:19 Nÿco the lag does not come from the client
17:15:04 jack Alex responded that he is up for secretary again.
17:15:09 Will cool
17:15:11 jack +1 from me
17:15:17 Will dito
17:15:37 jack other votes?
17:15:40 Nÿco as for the chair, I'm comfortably sit, thx ;-)
17:15:48 Will lol
17:16:06 Florian +1
17:16:19 Florian ok .. so the board is sorted?
17:16:25 Will i think so
17:16:28 Nÿco sort... of
17:17:25 Nÿco next item?
17:17:31 Florian yup
17:17:32 Nÿco bumonthly meetings?
17:17:38 Will regular meetings +1
17:17:38 Nÿco s/bu/bi/
17:17:45 Nÿco Wed?
17:17:51 jack I am +1 for the regular meeting slot.
17:17:55 Florian +1
17:17:56 Nÿco the biggest question will be time?
17:18:04 Florian good time at the moment
17:18:18 Will I'm ok for this time
17:18:18 Nÿco we have a timezone overlap, let's choose in this timeframe
17:18:28 Nÿco I'm ok too
17:18:42 Nÿco "17:00 aka 5:00pm GMT/UTC"
17:18:45 bear this time or earlier is good for me
17:18:56 Florian I can't do 16:00
17:19:09 Florian can't do earlier than 17:00
17:19:32 Nÿco no one against this time?
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17:20:24 jack I think everyone confirmed.
17:20:33 Florian ok ... great :)
17:21:20 bear cool, so bi-weekly at 1700 GMT starting today
17:21:39 jack Next topic, new website
17:21:55 Will items on website....
17:22:02 Nÿco every two weeks, bi-weekly being twice a week
17:22:11 Nÿco Roundups:
17:22:24 Nÿco my mistake I don't find time to publish them
17:22:45 Florian shouldn't that be something for the commteam?
17:22:47 Will They were good, I'm happy to take lead in re-starting, with nyco's help
17:22:58 Nÿco ok
17:23:05 Nÿco drafts are in the wiki
17:23:16 Will i'll take a look tomorrow
17:23:18 Nÿco how would like to work? go on with drafting on the wiki?
17:23:32 Will I think we should draft in the wordpress installation
17:23:40 Florian +1 for wordpress
17:23:46 Nÿco -1 for WP
17:24:06 Will I suppose it is less public
17:24:07 Nÿco this wiki lets other people watch and contribute, like for example Neustradamus, who is a great help
17:24:14 Will so i understand where nyco is coming from
17:24:20 Nÿco ?
17:24:31 Florian what about Etherpad?
17:24:49 Nÿco -1 for Etherpad: doesn't fit
17:25:09 jack I think the wiki is fine
17:25:11 Will i withdraw my +1 for WP and convert it to keeping with wiki
17:25:32 Nÿco it is not optimal, I confess, but it works mostly
17:25:38 jack Or rather, I vote for whatever Nyco would prefer, since he is the one drafting most of them :)
17:25:44 Nÿco can we have a better tool someday?
17:25:44 Will lol
17:25:52 Florian lol
17:26:01 jack Nyco, what would you like in a better tool?
17:26:09 Will how about google wave <snigger>
17:26:42 Nÿco I would define the roundups as being more successful, if we have more contribs, so any tool for contribs would do
17:26:49 Florian instead of wave, I'd say etherpad
17:27:02 Will we'll stick with wiki for the moment i think
17:27:09 Florian yeah
17:27:13 Nÿco etherpad ahs no links, no traceability, etc.
17:27:19 Nÿco etherpad is good for one-shots
17:27:24 Nÿco ok
17:27:47 Nÿco "new website" agenda item: anything to add?
17:27:53 Will the tables have stopped working (not editable) again, Kev is looking to see if permissions have changed. If he can't find a reason, we'll try another way of generating them
17:28:24 bear i'm working on getting access to git and going to switch the services, libs and clients table to generated tool like what is used for xeps
17:28:26 Will plus the ics plugin that was causing the performance issues has a new version out which i'll try tomorrow probably....
17:28:45 Will which should enable us to at last fill in this page: http://xmpp.org/participate/future-events/
17:29:06 Will bear: that'd be good
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17:29:37 bear yea, going to use the same input format if possible
17:30:27 Neustradamus I would like an update of the very old mediawiki version.
17:30:28 Nÿco maintaining the tables data needs more contributions as well...
17:30:42 Nÿco can we open the edition to some subsections of the website to special users?
17:30:55 bear the person who maintains a spanish version of the tables has contacted me to help
17:31:03 Will Nÿco: agree but we're short of volunteers at the moment.
17:31:04 Nÿco cool!
17:31:12 Kev Nÿco: I don't know if that's possible in wordpress, is it?
17:31:15 Nÿco I meant, can we do it technically?
17:31:27 Nÿco ah
17:31:32 Kev I thought you had to be a sitewide editor, but I'm no wordpress guru.
17:31:46 Nÿco ok, no fine grained persmissions?
17:32:02 bear if the tables can be generated then we can use git pull-requests :)
17:32:13 Nÿco yes, from where?
17:32:38 Will no fine grained permissions as standard but we can set people up as contributors which means their changes would be held until released by someone with higher permissions?
17:32:59 Will i bet there's a plugin for that though (fine grained)
17:33:59 bear let's let the current wp changes get made and then we could revisit the workflow
17:34:08 Will agreed
17:34:18 Will walk first, run second
17:34:32 Nÿco ok
17:34:40 Nÿco anything else on the website?
17:34:58 Will nothing here
17:35:01 Nÿco I tend to agree on the Mediawiki version, but it's a low priority
17:36:22 Nÿco next item? Sponsors?
17:36:25 Will Sponsors?
17:37:34 jack I will send an invoice to Collecta this week. They agreed to sponsor.
17:38:01 jack Has anyone asked anyone else? Perhaps we should ask Jonas and see if google is interested :)
17:38:35 bear do we have a list of past sponsors? and have they been contacted?
17:38:54 Will I've not yet started asking, but a generic message to members to see if they know of anyone (employyers?) would be a good idea
17:39:29 Nÿco +1
17:39:40 Will I think peter is our best source for list of past sponers...
17:39:49 Will i seem to recall we've talked about this before?
17:40:41 bear is someone working on the past list then?
17:40:55 Will i think "working might be stretching it
17:41:00 bear :)
17:41:16 bear ok, i'll contact peter about the past list and do an email to member list about suggestions
17:42:05 Will I'll draft an email to Members
17:42:57 bear ok
17:43:27 Nÿco web archive machine may help
17:43:59 Nÿco Wayback machine, sorry
17:44:03 Nÿco http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://jabber.org
17:44:24 Nÿco Special Thanks to Our Sponsors: IBM | Hitachi
17:44:25 Nÿco wow
17:44:32 Nÿco http://web.archive.org/web/20020124045738/http://www.jabber.org/
17:44:37 Nÿco in 2002
17:45:09 Will you know that opening statement on that page is better than anything we currently have
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17:46:18 Nÿco next item?
17:46:29 Nÿco Roadmap?
17:46:33 jack We typically strive to keep the board meetings short. Shall we adjourn today and continue with the remaining items in 2 weeks?
17:46:49 Nÿco - Roadmap update - GSoC - Elections - Mini Summits
17:46:52 Nÿco agree
17:46:58 bear +1
17:47:12 Will +1 and we need to talk FOSDEM next meeting as well
17:47:27 bear I would put that at the top of the list then
17:47:31 Nÿco ok
17:47:56 Nÿco Next meeting: 2010-11-24 17:00 aka 5:00pm GMT/UTC
17:48:00 jack did someone contact htem?
17:48:09 jack the call for devrooms closed October 16th :(
17:48:12 Will jack: we have a devroom
17:48:13 Nÿco Please, update your agendas
17:48:19 Kev Ralph has arranged a room for the Saturday, I believe.
17:48:20 jack will: ok good :)
17:48:44 jack ok, see everyone in 2 weeks :)
17:49:03 bear waves
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17:49:08 Will bye bye
17:49:21 Nÿco bye
17:49:23 Nÿco thx to all
17:49:26 Will bear: do i have permission to leave now? ;-)
17:49:38 bear bangs the gavel
17:49:42 bear ok, meeting over
17:49:47 Will thanks
17:49:55 bear :)
17:50:11 bear who normally sends out meeting summary?
17:50:23 Nÿco the one who asks...
17:50:27 bear doh!
17:50:27 Nÿco :-p
17:50:39 Nÿco welcome to the board bear! ;-)
17:50:43 bear ok, i'll work up a brief summary and post it to the members list
17:50:44 Will rofl
17:50:46 bear thanks!
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17:51:15 Nÿco maybe no need for a summary, http://typewith.me/y1i9CHJHLH may be enough
17:51:17 Nÿco with the log
17:51:40 bear that should go to the wiki IMO with a link to the log
17:52:09 bear but yes, my summary was going to be a shortened version of the typewith.me doc
17:52:18 Nÿco why not... you want to archive everything? if we send to lists, it is archived, no?
17:52:47 bear yes
17:53:21 Nÿco mmm... yes to what?
17:53:25 bear in the absence of past experience i was just going with what i've done - but sure, I will do that
17:53:36 bear yes to your question
17:53:43 Nÿco which one?
17:53:44 bear do you have a link to the log
17:53:58 Nÿco ah let me check
17:54:08 bear yes I feel everything shoud b archived - which would be handled by a log link
17:54:18 bear and the mailing list would serve as notice
17:54:38 Kev For what it's worth, I think sending semi-formal minutes is worthwhile. I think a copy of the typewith.me document very nearly covers that, if not completely.
17:55:16 bear ok
17:58:51 Nÿco like this
17:58:52 Nÿco http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100907/
17:59:42 Nÿco http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/101110/
17:59:55 bear cool
18:03:04 Kev Thanks bear.
18:04:46 bear glad to help
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21:38:25 Nÿco ok, the Mediawiki definitely needs an upgrade
21:38:39 Nÿco Neustradamus? do you wish to upgrade it?
21:40:31 Kev I will do this after the interop event.
21:40:42 Kev It's a big upgrade and I don't want to do it while we need the wiki for arranging stuffs.
21:41:16 Nÿco http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Special:Version Product MediaWiki Version 1.13.2 http://www.mediawiki.org/
21:41:17 Nÿco Current version
21:41:21 Nÿco 1.16.0 – 2010-07-28
21:41:31 Nÿco ah
21:41:34 Nÿco why not
21:41:44 Nÿco do you need help?
21:42:20 Kev No, I can do it - but my experience with upgrading mediawiki is that it tends to be painful.
21:42:36 Kev I guess we've enough time to fix it if it does go wrong and have it back for the interop.
21:42:39 Kev Ok, I'll have a look at it.
21:42:43 Kev But not tonight.
21:42:46 Kev adds to todo.
21:42:59 Neustradamus Kev: ok
21:44:04 Nÿco yes, painful is quite close to what I experienced also
21:44:31 Neustradamus after the update, you must add (a new time) the XMPP URIs -> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_URIs#MediaWiki
21:44:58 Kev Let's get to the upgrade first.
21:45:37 Nÿco yes, it's quite lower priority
21:45:54 Neustradamus yes yes
21:46:03 Nÿco though it would be nice to have XMPP URIs at the XSF ;-)
21:46:43 Neustradamus sure
21:49:31 Kev Nÿco: I wonder if this is something it's worth the XSF pursuing.
21:49:50 Kev A relatively low proportion of clients will deal with system-click xmpp: URIs.
21:52:47 Nÿco nevermind, if we don't have it, then who?
21:53:48 Kev Sorry, I realise you can read what I said either way.
21:53:49 Kev I mean:
21:54:00 Kev Maybe it's worth the XSF pursing this and persuading clients to implement xmpp: handlers.
21:55:52 Neustradamus Kev: yes
21:56:32 Nÿco ah yes, indeed I read the other way round ;-) (which was surprising from you ;-) )
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