XSF Discussion - 2010-11-10

meeting in 12 minutes?

lag-test

is there a board muc like there is for council?

hi jack

hi

so ... time for the board meeting?

30 seconds :-)

Are we all here?

Peter is missing

seems so

Welcome everyone to the first meeting of the 2010/2011 board :)

!

welcome especially Mike

Indeed!

indeed

Fresh blood is always good.

who?

oh me!

some bloke, i dunno

So as with every newly seated board, we have to nominate some officers

yup

I believe we need ED, Secretary, and Treasurer

I'd propose Peter to take the position of ED if he's up for it

oh, and board chair

seconded

thirded

I'll volunteer for treasurer again

especially as he's not here ;-)

seconded

devious

stpeter now gets all the bad jobs

haha

Alexander is our current secretary, and he did a good job as I recall last year. Does anyone know if he's up for doing it again?

he's not said as far as i know.

hmm

I'd say ... let's ask him

I'd suggest we contact him and ask

+1

:)

note we're not contacting peter, just assuming

haha

I'll email them both right now

cool

Bear, you seemed to be quite organized :) Want to ttake a crack at Chair?

:)

what does that entail?

quick, vote him in while he's still typing on typewithme and doesn't notice ;-)

:P

+1

mostly that you make some agendas

you get to have a longer title than the rest of us and bang a gavel

although I guess nyco has been doing that :)

if it is just herding cats and making thingssmooth for others - sure

I second bear for big chairman role

There might be a bylaw or two were you break tie votes for other things, but AFAIK none of that has ever been used.

k

you have no real power, we just get to blame you if things go wrong

well damn, since you put it that way, where do I sign up!

I'm not hearing anything from nyco - is he here?

Nÿco?

he did a "lag test" about 15 minutes before the meeting started

latency in france must be a b**ch

lol

:D

yep

aha!

he's alive!

my client is

lag-test

awful

but still I can follow

using OneTeam again? :p

no, Psi+

sorry ... just had to crack that joke :p

the lag does not come from the client

Alex responded that he is up for secretary again.

cool

+1 from me

dito

other votes?

as for the chair, I'm comfortably sit, thx ;-)

lol

+1

ok .. so the board is sorted?

i think so

sort... of

next item?

yup

bumonthly meetings?

regular meetings +1

s/bu/bi/

Wed?

I am +1 for the regular meeting slot.

+1

the biggest question will be time?

good time at the moment

I'm ok for this time

we have a timezone overlap, let's choose in this timeframe

I'm ok too

"17:00 aka 5:00pm GMT/UTC"

this time or earlier is good for me

I can't do 16:00

can't do earlier than 17:00

no one against this time?

I think everyone confirmed.

ok ... great :)

cool, so bi-weekly at 1700 GMT starting today

Next topic, new website

items on website....

every two weeks, bi-weekly being twice a week

Roundups:

my mistake I don't find time to publish them

shouldn't that be something for the commteam?

They were good, I'm happy to take lead in re-starting, with nyco's help

ok

drafts are in the wiki

i'll take a look tomorrow

how would like to work? go on with drafting on the wiki?

I think we should draft in the wordpress installation

+1 for wordpress

-1 for WP

I suppose it is less public

this wiki lets other people watch and contribute, like for example Neustradamus, who is a great help

so i understand where nyco is coming from

?

what about Etherpad?

-1 for Etherpad: doesn't fit

I think the wiki is fine

i withdraw my +1 for WP and convert it to keeping with wiki

it is not optimal, I confess, but it works mostly

Or rather, I vote for whatever Nyco would prefer, since he is the one drafting most of them :)

can we have a better tool someday?

lol

lol

Nyco, what would you like in a better tool?

how about google wave <snigger>

I would define the roundups as being more successful, if we have more contribs, so any tool for contribs would do

instead of wave, I'd say etherpad

we'll stick with wiki for the moment i think

yeah

etherpad ahs no links, no traceability, etc.

etherpad is good for one-shots

ok

"new website" agenda item: anything to add?

the tables have stopped working (not editable) again, Kev is looking to see if permissions have changed. If he can't find a reason, we'll try another way of generating them

i'm working on getting access to git and going to switch the services, libs and clients table to generated tool like what is used for xeps

plus the ics plugin that was causing the performance issues has a new version out which i'll try tomorrow probably....

which should enable us to at last fill in this page: http://xmpp.org/participate/future-events/

bear: that'd be good

yea, going to use the same input format if possible

I would like an update of the very old mediawiki version.

maintaining the tables data needs more contributions as well...

can we open the edition to some subsections of the website to special users?

the person who maintains a spanish version of the tables has contacted me to help

Nÿco: agree but we're short of volunteers at the moment.

cool!

Nÿco: I don't know if that's possible in wordpress, is it?

I meant, can we do it technically?

ah

I thought you had to be a sitewide editor, but I'm no wordpress guru.

ok, no fine grained persmissions?

if the tables can be generated then we can use git pull-requests :)

yes, from where?

no fine grained permissions as standard but we can set people up as contributors which means their changes would be held until released by someone with higher permissions?

i bet there's a plugin for that though (fine grained)

let's let the current wp changes get made and then we could revisit the workflow

agreed

walk first, run second

ok

anything else on the website?

nothing here

I tend to agree on the Mediawiki version, but it's a low priority

next item? Sponsors?

Sponsors?

I will send an invoice to Collecta this week. They agreed to sponsor.

Has anyone asked anyone else? Perhaps we should ask Jonas and see if google is interested :)

do we have a list of past sponsors? and have they been contacted?

I've not yet started asking, but a generic message to members to see if they know of anyone (employyers?) would be a good idea

+1

I think peter is our best source for list of past sponers...

i seem to recall we've talked about this before?

is someone working on the past list then?

i think "working might be stretching it

:)

ok, i'll contact peter about the past list and do an email to member list about suggestions

I'll draft an email to Members

ok

web archive machine may help

Wayback machine, sorry

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://jabber.org

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wow

http://web.archive.org/web/20020124045738/http://www.jabber.org/

in 2002

you know that opening statement on that page is better than anything we currently have

next item?

Roadmap?

We typically strive to keep the board meetings short. Shall we adjourn today and continue with the remaining items in 2 weeks?

- Roadmap update - GSoC - Elections - Mini Summits

agree

+1

+1 and we need to talk FOSDEM next meeting as well

I would put that at the top of the list then

ok

Next meeting: 2010-11-24 17:00 aka 5:00pm GMT/UTC

did someone contact htem?

the call for devrooms closed October 16th :(

jack: we have a devroom

Please, update your agendas

Ralph has arranged a room for the Saturday, I believe.

will: ok good :)

ok, see everyone in 2 weeks :)

bye bye

bye

thx to all

bear: do i have permission to leave now? ;-)

ok, meeting over

thanks

:)

who normally sends out meeting summary?

the one who asks...

doh!

:-p

welcome to the board bear! ;-)

ok, i'll work up a brief summary and post it to the members list

rofl

thanks!

maybe no need for a summary, http://typewith.me/y1i9CHJHLH may be enough

with the log

that should go to the wiki IMO with a link to the log

but yes, my summary was going to be a shortened version of the typewith.me doc

why not... you want to archive everything? if we send to lists, it is archived, no?

yes

mmm... yes to what?

in the absence of past experience i was just going with what i've done - but sure, I will do that

yes to your question

which one?

do you have a link to the log

ah let me check

yes I feel everything shoud b archived - which would be handled by a log link

and the mailing list would serve as notice

For what it's worth, I think sending semi-formal minutes is worthwhile. I think a copy of the typewith.me document very nearly covers that, if not completely.

ok

like this

http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100907/

http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/101110/

cool

Thanks bear.

glad to help

ok, the Mediawiki definitely needs an upgrade

Neustradamus? do you wish to upgrade it?

I will do this after the interop event.

It's a big upgrade and I don't want to do it while we need the wiki for arranging stuffs.

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Special:Version Product MediaWiki Version 1.13.2 http://www.mediawiki.org/

Current version

1.16.0 – 2010-07-28

ah

why not

do you need help?

No, I can do it - but my experience with upgrading mediawiki is that it tends to be painful.

I guess we've enough time to fix it if it does go wrong and have it back for the interop.

Ok, I'll have a look at it.

But not tonight.

Kev: ok

yes, painful is quite close to what I experienced also

after the update, you must add (a new time) the XMPP URIs -> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_URIs#MediaWiki

Let's get to the upgrade first.

yes, it's quite lower priority

yes yes

though it would be nice to have XMPP URIs at the XSF ;-)

sure

Nÿco: I wonder if this is something it's worth the XSF pursuing.

A relatively low proportion of clients will deal with system-click xmpp: URIs.

nevermind, if we don't have it, then who?

Sorry, I realise you can read what I said either way.

I mean:

Maybe it's worth the XSF pursing this and persuading clients to implement xmpp: handlers.

Kev: yes

ah yes, indeed I read the other way round ;-) (which was surprising from you ;-) )