XSF Discussion - 2010-12-08

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  15. Nÿco

    Council meeting in 0:30+? Board meeting in 1:30+

  16. Kev

    Correct for the former, don't know about the latter :)

  17. Nÿco


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  23. bear

    running to the corner store - just realized I am without beverage of choice

  24. bear

    why am I double posting?

  25. Kev

    You're not.

  26. bear

    psi is showing each twice, mine and yours

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  28. Kev

    I suspect that you've joined the MUC from two resources, and your server is routing the ghost one instead of rejecting it (which it should, but (almost?) no-one does yet, as it's a relatively recent bis-ism)

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  31. MattJ

    Prosody rejected it even before the spec was fixed :)

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  34. bear

    meeting notes and agenda: http://typewith.me/geydlB7gFR

  35. bear

    Current working agenda: Agenda: - Roadmap - Summit 10 - Summit 10/FOSDEM - dividing responsibilities - Dinner - Limit to Members / Sponsors? - Location - Interop

  36. bear

    meeting to start in 10 minutes, will shoot for 35-40 minute timeframe, 2 rounds of me with claws and knives if we get to 50 minutes

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  39. bear

    anyone have "eyes" on Jack? can they poke him

  40. Will


  41. bear

    oh - hehehe - I do also

  42. Will

    he'll start to feel persecuted

  43. bear

    or loved if he is into that kind of thing :/

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  45. bear

    florian was here ...

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  47. jack

    hi all

  48. bear

    hi jack

  49. Florian


  50. Nÿco

    hi all

  51. bear

    coolness - looks like we have 100%

  52. Florian

    on the dot :)

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  55. bear

    anyone have any issues with the agenda as suggested by Nÿco

  56. stpeter

    looks good to me

  57. bear

    if so, edit the doc please

  58. bear

    ok, Item 1 - Roadmap

  59. bear

    I've started to edit the wiki page outlining this - not sure exactly (given my n00bness) what this involves

  60. bear

    what was done last year?

  61. Will

    nothing, which was kind of the point :-)

  62. Will

    of doing something this year

  63. bear

    ok then :) - i'll draft an email asking for suggestions and also giving some thoughts and report back next meeting - sound ok?

  64. Nÿco


  65. stpeter

    I think we had a good discussion among the members

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  68. stpeter

    we just need to capture the conclusions somewhere

  69. Nÿco

    yes, thread needs summary

  70. stpeter

    I'd suggest a wordpress page

  71. bear

    yea, I was going to sift thru that for the big ideas

  72. stpeter

    rather than wiki

  73. stpeter

    I did post a summary

  74. Nÿco


  75. Nÿco

    missed it

  76. Nÿco

    can you remind where?

  77. bear

    oh coolness, that will make the task much easier

  78. stpeter


  79. stpeter

    there was some discussion after that

  80. Nÿco


  81. Will

    the wiki is for dicussions, wordpress/xmpp.org for announcements - so wordpress page yes

  82. stpeter

    but not much

  83. stpeter

    right, this is a more permanent page

  84. Nÿco

    ah yes, I remember now that I've read it

  85. bear

    *editor note: can someone update the typewith.me doc*

  86. stpeter

    it might not seem like it, but I'll have more time before long to help out further

  87. Nÿco

    you can

  88. stpeter

    bear: will do

  89. bear

    i'm hoping to be able to offload some of this from you if you don't mind :)

  90. stpeter

    from or to? :)

  91. bear


  92. Will

    on you :-)

  93. bear

    any other issues to worry about with the roadmap?

  94. stpeter

    bear: I think not

  95. bear

    moving on to item 2 (speak up if not)

  96. stpeter

    bear: the Council discussed this last week and concluded that focusing on MUC and file transfer for this term would be reasonable

  97. stpeter

    bear: I'll find the log for you

  98. bear


  99. jack

    seems good. i get a lot of questions about file transfer

  100. bear

    link in the notes is fine

  101. stpeter


  102. stpeter


  103. stpeter


  104. bear


  105. Florian

    yes :)

  106. Will

    announcements are out to members, will post to other places soon

  107. bear

    Will posted a great outline of the summit to the members list and has started a wiki page: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2011

  108. Florian

    I've prepped a page on xmpp.org

  109. stpeter

    oh cool, in typewithme you can choose your color :)

  110. stpeter


  111. Florian


  112. Will

    I wanted to talk about division of responsibilities

  113. Florian

    is the FOSDEM booth / room confirmed?

  114. stpeter

    Florian: the room is, not sure about the booth, let's check

  115. Florian


  116. bear

    I noticed we have already started the annual t-shirt discussion

  117. stpeter

    stands have not yet been announced

  118. Will

    but we did put in a request, yes?

  119. dwd

    bear, Traditions are important.

  120. bear

    to me that's always the sign when planning is started for real

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  122. stpeter

    http://fosdem.org/2011/ looks bad -- we need to put out a call for talks

  123. Will

    we have

  124. stpeter

    ah, so we need to tell them about the link :)

  125. Will


  126. Florian

    I wanted to start collecting participants on the XMPP.org page

  127. Florian

    through comments

  128. stpeter

    Florian: good idea

  129. stpeter

    Will: I can let the FOSDEM organizers know

  130. Florian

    I got someone at Nokia to forward a sponsor request

  131. Will

    stpeter: thats why i wanted ot talk about responsibilities....

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  133. stpeter


  134. stpeter


  135. stpeter

    Will: you mean we need to get organized?

  136. Florian

    ok .. iPad works :)

  137. Will

    we need to make sure that not everything is your responsibility this year. spread the load a bit

  138. stpeter


  139. stpeter

    yeah, sure

  140. stpeter

    although others have done a lot in the past, e.g. Alex and Mickaël

  141. bear

    what areas of need are there?

  142. Will

    so for instance, if we get a booth, 'm happy to be the responsible adult for that :-)

  143. stpeter

    Will: much needed

  144. dwd


  145. Will

    shut up dwd, you're supposed to working

  146. Florian

    I guess I'm not allowed to do anything :(

  147. dwd

    Will, "from home" - doesn't count.

  148. bear

    dinner? who's organizing

  149. Will

    florian organises our social life

  150. Florian


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  152. Florian

    I've been wondering ... Hotel ... Brussels vs. Diegem?

  153. stpeter


  154. stpeter

    are there hotels in the boondocks of Diegem?

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  156. dwd

    stpeter, Bound to be some near the airport.

  157. Florian

    any Brussels Airport Hotel, yes

  158. stpeter

    Remko said the train to Diegem is a 15-minute ride from the center

  159. Florian


  160. stpeter

    and leaves every 30 minutes

  161. dwd

    Florian, Do they run late?

  162. stpeter

    or something like that

  163. stpeter


  164. stpeter


  165. Florian

    haha ... normally not

  166. stpeter

    we'll be working late?

  167. Will

    are we going for a hotel in brussels and ride out to diegem or the other way around?

  168. Florian

    they're better than SouthWest Trains

  169. stpeter


  170. Florian

    Will: right ...

  171. Florian

    Brussels at night has pubs

  172. Florian

    and nice places

  173. stpeter

    hotel in/near the center, train to the meetings

  174. dwd

    Florian, So's a horse and cart.

  175. jack

    better to be near the beer i think

  176. Florian

    Diegem is quite industrial

  177. stpeter


  178. Florian

    it's basically Airport land

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  180. Florian

    the only thing there are business parks

  181. Florian

    and a small town center

  182. stpeter


  183. Florian

    Brussels is nicer

  184. stpeter


  185. Florian

    and seeing as we have FOSDEM

  186. Will

    trsut cisco to put an office somewhere boring ;-)

  187. stpeter

    you betcha

  188. Florian

    the thing on our Meetings

  189. Florian

    they end at a certain tie

  190. stpeter

    but at least we'll have Internet access this time

  191. Florian


  192. Florian

    FOSDEM is more flexible

  193. Florian

    so I think it's nicer to be in Brussels

  194. Florian

    yet ... I'll be the person living outside Brussels :p

  195. stpeter

    yes we all agree :)

  196. Will

    hotel organiser is ?

  197. stpeter

    so we need to find a hotel that might give us a discount?

  198. Florian

    I can be

  199. Florian

    yes ... Discount Hotel

  200. Nÿco

    ans Summit room?

  201. Florian

    what about the one last year?

  202. Florian

    good or bad?

  203. Nÿco

    with hardcore wifi

  204. Nÿco

    wifi sucked

  205. stpeter

    Nÿco: I've arranged to use a meeting room at the Cisco office in Diegem, outside Brussels (near the airport)

  206. Nÿco


  207. stpeter

    boring location, but better connectivity

  208. Nÿco


  209. stpeter

    there is also a catering service of some kind, I need to find out more about that for lunch and coffee

  210. Florian


  211. stpeter

    so I can handle that stuff via Cisco

  212. bear

    sounds like we have hotel/dinner consensus of some kind - who is going to follow up?

  213. Florian


  214. Florian

    Dinner up next?

  215. stpeter

    yes, dinner

  216. Florian

    so ...

  217. bear

    who is point person for hotel?

  218. Florian

    as posted to board@

  219. Nÿco

    - devroom: ?? - hackfest: ??

  220. stpeter

    Florian is hotel point person

  221. Florian

    bear: I can manage hotel

  222. bear

    k, sorry - just saw typewith.me update

  223. stpeter

    Nÿco: right we need to discuss those, too

  224. Will

    as Nyco pointed out, still need devroom and hackfest organisers

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  226. Florian

    Devroom is Saturday?

  227. stpeter


  228. Will


  229. Florian

    no volunteers?

  230. Will

    who is going to be there? stpeter? bear?

  231. bear

    I am collecting speaker list but won't be able to coordinate space/location

  232. Florian

    I can:)

  233. stpeter

    regarding the devroom, we need someone to arrange the schedule of talks etc.

  234. bear

    I can handle the talk schedule

  235. dwd


  236. Florian

    I'm a student ... so I've got loads of free time :)

  237. stpeter


  238. Will

    bear = devroom

  239. Florian


  240. bear

    with onsite help via florian ;)

  241. Florian

    sure :)

  242. stpeter

    I know some of the FOSDEM guys now so I can work with them onsite as needed

  243. Will


  244. Florian


  245. Kev

    Sorry, was saying Hi to Cath.

  246. stpeter

    yes, Florian and I can work with the FOSDEM folks onsite

  247. Kev

    What did you volunteer me for, Dave?

  248. stpeter

    and Ralph, too, slackr that he is :)

  249. Will

    Kev, it's ok you escaped

  250. Florian


  251. Kev


  252. bear

    kev can do hackfest then

  253. Will


  254. Florian


  255. stpeter

    what's needed for the hackfest?

  256. Kev

    Righty, am I going to FOSDEM then? )

  257. Kev


  258. Nÿco

    do we have a room for this?

  259. Florian

    I'm trying to get some phones from Noknok

  260. Will

    come up with interesting topics, herd cats

  261. bear

    warm body for room?

  262. Florian

    I guess start / announce on Friday .. prize on Monday

  263. stpeter

    hackfest = interop or something more?

  264. stpeter

    oh, that hackfest

  265. stpeter

    the code contest?

  266. Florian


  267. Florian

    /that/ hackfest

  268. Florian

    Friday @ Cisco?

  269. stpeter

    hackfest = Friday

  270. jack

    i can bring more books for prizes

  271. stpeter

    yeah, I need to do that too

  272. Florian

    I'd say Interop and coding?

  273. stpeter

    last year it was somewhat chaotic, no?

  274. Florian

    with at the end a lightning round of "progress"?

  275. stpeter

    perhaps our Interop Week folks can help organize some interop stuff on Friday

  276. stpeter

    lightning talks are fun

  277. stpeter


  278. stpeter

    that breaks it up a bit, too

  279. Florian

    I'll be there on Friday this year too :)

  280. stpeter

    me too

  281. stpeter

    I think :)

  282. Florian


  283. Florian

    so yeah, Hackfest ... Interop & Jingle Mingle?

  284. bear

    sounds like something for list discussion?

  285. Will


  286. Florian


  287. stpeter


  288. stpeter

    take it to the list!

  289. Kev

    Anyway, I'm happy to run Friday, assuming I'm going (and I'm assuming I'm going, but haven't discussed with anyone yet).

  290. bear

    kev - can you start that list discussion?

  291. Kev

    Can do. What would we like to do with the day?

  292. stpeter

    that's the question :)

  293. bear

    it needs to be engaging, so we may need to find out what the topics of interest are first

  294. bear

    but it sounds like summary lightning talks are an "in"

  295. stpeter

    I think I have a smaller room arranged for Friday, let me see how many it seats

  296. Florian


  297. stpeter

    I think it's 25

  298. stpeter

    and 40 on Monday

  299. stpeter

    or something like that

  300. stpeter

    (round numbers)

  301. Florian


  302. bear

    ok to move on to next item?

  303. Florian


  304. stpeter

    usually Friday is smaller

  305. stpeter


  306. stpeter

    almost up to 30 minutes here

  307. Florian

    so ... I added Limiting Dinner to Members

  308. Nÿco

    heckfest/interop around file transfer also

  309. Florian

    and Sponsors

  310. Will

    and me

  311. bear

    dinner: question about limiting to members

  312. Florian

    the problem:

  313. Florian

    it's close to impossible to find a restaurant that will seat 50 geeks :)

  314. stpeter

    Nÿco: yes

  315. stpeter


  316. stpeter


  317. Florian

    in Brussels it's impossible

  318. Will

    how aobut we dont tell them we're geeks?

  319. Florian

    haha :)

  320. Kev

    I don't see much reason to be seating people with no prior or subsequent interaction with the community.

  321. dwd

    I raised this with Florian, and I'm fine with non-members turning up, but I'm not so happy that the XSF is subsidizing them.

  322. Florian

    and there's a point to make ... Why should I be an XSF member?

  323. Will

    Kev - money

  324. Florian


  325. Kev

    Will: That would be an interaction.

  326. Kev

    It happened this year that people turned up for FOSDEM, ate the food, and that was about all that I'd seen of them before or since.

  327. Florian

    so I'd say.. limit it to XSF Member+1 and Sponsors

  328. dwd

    Will, Oh, for sure - if someone's paying sufficient that the net result is that they're still subsidizing XSF members, great.

  329. bear

    members and sponsor reps == great idea IMO

  330. Kev

    I'm happy for sponsors to have seats, I'm happy for members to have seats.

  331. Kev

    I don't see why non-community-members should get seats outside those groups, and certainly not why the XSF (through sponsors) should pay for them.

  332. Will

    we've already told sponsors they can have seats: http://xmpp.org/sponsor/sponsor-the-xsf/

  333. Florian


  334. dwd

    Will, Right, that's fine.

  335. Florian

    I'd say ... Sponsors + Dinner Sponsors

  336. bear

    sounds like we are all agreeing vigorously about the same small cluster of ideas - should we stamp it as board approved?

  337. Kev

    Florian: And members? :)

  338. Will


  339. Florian

    oh yeah ... those too

  340. Florian


  341. Florian

    bear: yes!

  342. stpeter

    so members can bring a guest, or non-members pay their own way?

  343. dwd

    Florian, you suggested +1 - I'm not convinced that's needed. Yes, this is a social thing, but still.

  344. Florian


  345. Florian

    what about "Dinner Sponsors"

  346. Florian

    like Vodafone for example

  347. Florian

    they're not a Sponsor

  348. stpeter

    make them sponsors?

  349. Florian

    but a "Dinner Sponsor"

  350. Kev

    stpeter: Apart from sponsors, I think non-members should have to at least pay their way, if they're elligible at all.

  351. Florian

    well ... Dinner sponsors are smaller contributions

  352. Florian

    like 100€

  353. Florian


  354. stpeter


  355. stpeter


  356. bear

    that sounds like a great way to get a foot in the door to an organization for later larger sponsorship

  357. Will

    dwd: some people turn up with partners, excluding them could lead to problems

  358. dwd

    I'm fine with anyone showing up if they're paying (at least) their way.

  359. Florian


  360. Florian

    so ... to sum up ...

  361. Florian

    Members +1 for the price of the dinner (50€) Sponsors: As per Sponsor chart Dinner Sponsors

  362. Florian

    those can get access...

  363. Florian

    i.e. Nokia ... it's easier for them to sponsor a single dinner, than getting them to become an XSF sponsor

  364. Florian

    don't ask me why ... it just is :)

  365. stpeter


  366. Florian

    so I want to keep the "dinner sponsor" thing going

  367. Florian

    as we had loads of people just pitching in 100@

  368. bear

    one is easier to hide in the accounting books :)

  369. Florian

  370. Florian

    and the 100€ resulted each year in free food :)

  371. bear

    sounds like we have consensus then on the dinner agenda item - true?

  372. Kev

    From the balcony, yes.

  373. stpeter

    now the challenge is to find a pace to eat :)

  374. Florian

    ah right

  375. stpeter


  376. Florian

    Will will need to pay :D

  377. dwd

    Florian, Ha!

  378. Florian

    I guess that means Isode "Will" need to sponsor :D

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  381. Florian


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  383. bear

    k, next up - Interop

  384. Florian

    I guess it's progressing ...

  385. Florian

    I'd like to see this become an ongoing effort

  386. bear

    I am liking the idea of doing this on a very regular basis

  387. Florian

    i.e. keep the test servers up for longer

  388. Florian

    because we spent a lot of time just setting them up, getting certs etc.

  389. stpeter

    how "very"?

  390. stpeter

    quarterly? monthly?

  391. bear

    well, maybe not up all the time, but if we can get the configs documented ...

  392. Will

    very regular could mean once every 10 years, hope you mean frequent

  393. stpeter

    Florian: right, it would be good to build on all that work

  394. Kev

    I don't think it's a good idea to have the servers stay up.

  395. Florian

    every 2 months?

  396. bear

    biologically regular, not astronically regular ;)

  397. Florian

    for a week?

  398. bear

    wow - what word was that I just typed

  399. Kev

    I do think it's good to keep the configs (especially the CA) around.

  400. stpeter

    Kev: yes

  401. dwd

    Kev, Running up a CA, even, is pretty easy.

  402. bear

    I think every 3 months with CA and DNS always up

  403. Kev

    One week every 2 months is 13% of the participants time, if it takes them most of their time to do it.

  404. Florian

    bear: +1

  405. Florian


  406. bear

    it doesn't have to be full time for someone all week

  407. Florian

    that way, there's also progress in between

  408. Kev

    bear: I've spent quite a lot of this week on it.

  409. Will

    its better to aim low and over-perform than the other way around.

  410. bear

    yea, but that's upfront setup - will that be required in 3 months?

  411. Kev

    I don't see why it wouldn't.

  412. dwd

    I have to say we're looking at one now, some interop activity at the summits - that's a lot of time on this.

  413. bear

    ok, then let's use that as the baseline

  414. Kev

    Another 6 months before another one would be good, I think.

  415. admin@im.flosoft.biz


  416. bear

    6 months sounds ok to me

  417. stpeter


  418. Will

    6 yes

  419. bear

    especially since I have no dog in this hunt

  420. dwd

    I'm fine with aiming for 6 months for the next online one. If we find a need to do one sooner, then that's also okay.

  421. Kev


  422. Kev

    Doing them too often just devalues them.

  423. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    Ok... I mean we have the summits too

  424. Kev

    If they become a burden for participants, there won't be any, and that's bad.

  425. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    With interop action

  426. stpeter


  427. bear

    doing server interop at the summit at oscon was *very* time consuming - especially for a one day event

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  429. bear

    so I could see summit interop being limited to clients and/or libs

  430. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    Hmm... Ok

  431. Kev

    bear: If the summit has sensible 'net access, it's not impossible to re-use the infrastructure.

  432. bear

    kev - true, that was what we spent a lot of time on - the net access was not sensible :(

  433. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    That's why I want to keep it up

  434. bear

    ok - we are at 45 minutes

  435. dwd

    Kev, But we can also spin up a new CA for that easily. Same with DNS, it's not hard. Just that *any* interop setup like this takes time.

  436. stpeter

    let's continue the interop discussion after this week finishes

  437. stpeter

    and see how people feel then

  438. admin@im.flosoft.biz


  439. bear

    +1 to tabling to after meeting and to the lists

  440. bear

    ok, any other agenda items to consider?

  441. stpeter

    then we'll have a better idea of costs and benefits

  442. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    Not from my end

  443. Will

    none here

  444. stpeter

    bear: I still owe you that old sponsor list, will do before Christmas

  445. bear

    the next board meeting would be the 22nd of December - is that going to be too close to the holidays for anyone?

  446. bear

    stpeter: thanks

  447. admin@im.flosoft.biz


  448. stpeter

    22nd is fine with me

  449. Will

    i'm ok for 22nd

  450. jack

    should be alright here

  451. bear


  452. bear

    ok, 22nd it is

  453. bear

    thanks one and all for another great meeting

  454. bear bangs the gavel

  455. Will

    bye all

  456. stpeter

    thanks, everyone

  457. Nÿco


  458. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    I guess that's a maybe...

  459. bear goes to post minutes

  460. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    Fucking freezing my hands off here on this iCrap

  461. stpeter updates the calendar

  462. bear

    stpeter - use the non-ietf muc link this time ;)

  463. stpeter


  464. stpeter

    hadn't noticed that

  465. admin@im.flosoft.biz

    Bye guys

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  468. stpeter

    calendar updated in git, let's see if Tobias's auto-updating works :)

  469. bear

    minutes emailed

  470. bear updates board wiki page

  471. stpeter

    thanks, bear

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  473. stpeter wonders why his calendar isn't popping up reminders for XSF events

  474. bear

    hmm, where do I edit this page: http://xmpp.org/xsf/board/

  475. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/the-xsf-board-of-directors/ is the new link

  476. stpeter

    we need to set up a whole bunch of redirects

  477. bear

    I got to that page from the main page

  478. stpeter

    so we need to fix some hrefs, too :)

  479. bear


  480. stpeter

    I need to spend some quality time with the website

  481. bear

    the wiki main page I meant - sorry

  482. bear

    i can fix that tho...

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  486. bear

    k, back to my regularly scheduled day off...

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  488. stpeter

    thanks, bear

  489. stpeter

    I appreciate it

  490. bear

    thanks to you also :)

  491. stpeter


  492. bear

    oh hey - been meaning to ask, sorry for the ambush: did GSoC funds arrive or is there anything we need to follow up with them?

  493. stpeter

    I haven't seen the funds yet, but I'm not on the discussion list -- shall I ping LH?

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  495. bear

    I don't think it's been talked about at all - I can ping her with my "Admin" hat on

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  497. bear

    I was just reminded because I got my tshirt in the mail

  498. stpeter

    I don't remember the chronology of payment from years past

  499. bear

    I can use "this being my first time, so forgive me my n00bness" wording then

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