XSF Discussion - 2010-12-15

  1. stpeter

    T-15 minutes?

  2. koski

    stpeter: if I have understood correctly, yes.

  3. stpeter

    same here :)

  4. stpeter


  5. Kev_

    And it is time, I think.

  6. stpeter

    it's time to meet, but Alex is in charge

  7. stpeter

    so I'll defer to Alex

  8. Alex


  9. Alex

    I need 2 more minutes

  10. stpeter

    I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year

  11. Kev_

    I think it's largely irrelevant, but I'm open to arguments.

  12. Alex

    ok, I'm ready

  13. Alex bangs the gavel

  14. stpeter

    the only argument I have is that sometimes I convince someone that they really want to apply, but then I have to tell them to wait ~3 months before applying

  15. stpeter

    anyway I'll post to the members list about it :)

  16. Alex

    i'bb put it on the agenda, then we can discuss it in other business

  17. stpeter


  18. Alex

    ok, here is our Agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/

  19. Alex

    1) Call for Quorum

  20. Alex

    as you can see 41 members voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum

  21. Alex

    2) Items Subject to a Vote

  22. Alex

    new and returning members. You can see the applications here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_November_2010

  23. Alex

    3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

  24. Alex

    anybody here who has not voted yet?

  25. koski

    (seems quite silent)

  26. stpeter

    not sure who "kooda" is, but others seem to have voted

  27. Alex

    ok, then I shout down the bot and count the votes

  28. stpeter reads a few more paragraphs of draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns while waiting :)

  29. Florob

    oh, it has voice control now? :o)

  30. Alex has written an app now for counting, so should be faster now, butSSH is quite slow right now

  31. stpeter


  32. stpeter

    hi Florian

  33. stpeter

    Alex is counting the votes, please stand by :)

  34. Florian


  35. Florian

    sorry I'm late :)

  36. Alex

    done, updating the page now

  37. stpeter


  38. Alex

    4) Announcement of Voting Results

  39. Alex

    when you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/ you can see the results

  40. Alex

    all new and returning members were accepted

  41. Alex

    5) Any Other Business?

  42. Florian


  43. stpeter

    yeah, good applicant pool

  44. Alex

    so we can disuss Peters proposal now

  45. Florian


  46. bear

    woo - can haz intarnetz

  47. Florian

    what was Peters one?

  48. Alex

    ya, lots of yes votes, strong applicants this time

  49. Florian


  50. Alex

    [21:01:20] <stpeter> I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year

  51. stpeter


  52. Florian

    very nice idea

  53. Florian

    I like it ...

  54. stpeter

    sometimes I convince someone to apply, but then I forgot to remind them when the application period opens :)

  55. Alex

    yes I agree, but how do we vote then?

  56. stpeter

    but I think that would require a bylaws change

  57. Alex

    via memberbot 2 weeks for each applicant or just +1 on the memberlist

  58. koski

    Alex: normal way, no?

  59. stpeter

    Alex: just collect all the people who've applied since the last vote and we vote on those

  60. stpeter

    then we clear the cache after the next vote

  61. koski

    Sounds good to me.

  62. stpeter

    continuous applications, occasional votes

  63. Alex

    sounds good to me as well

  64. stpeter

    I think it's easier for applicants and easier for the Secretary (i.e., Alex)

  65. stpeter

    anyway, I'll propose it on the list

  66. bear


  67. Alex

    I we change this then we should also get rid of the "missed 3 votes" clause for members

  68. stpeter

    Alex: why?

  69. Kev_


  70. Alex

    becasue this makes not much sense to me

  71. Kev_

    Members still vote 4 times a year.

  72. stpeter

    it's a good way of purging uninterested members :)

  73. Kev_

    Just that the applicants can edit the wiki whenever they want to.

  74. Kev_

    (I'm in the car btw, so my connection's sucky, sorry)

  75. stpeter

    the Apache guys once told me it was a good idea because they have membership cruft :)

  76. Kev_

    Yeah, kicking people who aren't active any more is sensible.

  77. stpeter

    and it would make it harder to have a quorum

  78. stpeter

    in fact we might never have a quorum

  79. Alex

    many members miss 2 votes and then just vote 1 time to not get removed from the list

  80. Kev_

    We could kick members who don't contribute to one of the teams for a year :D

  81. stpeter


  82. stpeter

    then we'd need to define "contribute"

  83. Kev_

    Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek, with a serious undertone.

  84. stpeter

    I hear ya

  85. stpeter

    so, any other "any other business" items?

  86. Kev_

    Not here.

  87. Kev_

    And, indeed, my connection's about to drop.

  88. Alex

    not here as well, we can discuss this further on the list

  89. stpeter

    thanks to all the interop participants, esp. Kev-in-charge

  90. stpeter

    looking forward to the Summit

  91. Kev_

    Aww shucks.

  92. bear

    yes - big thanks for Interop goodness

  93. stpeter

    Happy Yule and all that :)

  94. stpeter

    the usual

  95. Alex

    6) Formal Adjournment

  96. Kev_

    Yes, Merry Christmas to those that celebrate :)

  97. Kev_


  98. Alex

    I motion that we adjourn

  99. stpeter


  100. Alex bangs the gavel

  101. bear


  102. stpeter prints XEP-0198 for offline editing

  103. Kev_

    Bye, thanks all.

  104. stpeter

    thanks, Alex, as always!

  105. Alex

    Florian you can put me on the list for the summit, all days and dinner

  106. Alex

    not 100% sure yet, but 90%

  107. stpeter

    I hope Kev was a passenger, not driving :)

  108. stpeter

    Alex: great -- it wil be good to see you

  109. Tobias

    yay, iCal tells me now that a meeting started 23 minutes ago :P

  110. stpeter

    Tobias: hmm

  111. Alex

    i forgot to bother somebody to put it in the cal

  112. stpeter

    Tobias: how to we make sure that calendar items trigger alerts?

  113. bear

    you can add an alert item to the vcal, but a lot of cal clients strip that when importing

  114. Alex

    or is there a way for me to add it meetings to the cal?

  115. Florian

    Alex: will do

  116. Tobias

    stpeter: i don't know, it works for some, the alert tag is in ics file

  117. Tobias

    i'd blame iCal :P

  118. bear

    if your calendar software only refreshes from XSF calendar once a day it would have missed the addition

  119. stpeter

    bear: yeah, I had to force-refresh

  120. bear needs to get that into his weekly xsf todo list queue

  121. bear

    so we have multiple eyes watching things

  122. stpeter

    some of the events.xml files were missing <alarm/>

  123. stpeter

    at least Council was

  124. stpeter

    or something -- I fixed one in the last few days :)

  125. bear


  126. stpeter

    but yeah I might blame iCal :)

  127. bear

    yea, by default iCal strips reminders and stuff from incoming stream

  128. stpeter


  129. stpeter


  130. bear

    yea, XML is hard, lets go shopping!

  131. stpeter

    maybe it's time for me to try that Mozilla calendaring app again :)

  132. bear

    haha - i'll report back when the new version is out

  133. stpeter

    heh ok

  134. bear

    since I can walk over and poke the devs now if something breaks

  135. stpeter

    aha, I see now there is a Thunderbird plugin

  136. stpeter

    perhaps I'll give Lightning a try

  137. bear

    yea, Mozilla Messaging team has been very active

  138. bear flees to get lunch before the other devs clean it out

  139. Alex

    Lightning works great for me in combination with Google Calendar and Android

  140. stpeter

    hmm but I lose valuable real estate, I suppose I'll hide it :)

  141. Tobias

    hasn't it always been a tb plugin, but then got extracted into sunbird?

  142. stpeter

    not sure

  143. stpeter

    I only ever tried Sunbird

  144. Alex

    i used both and found no difference in functionality

  145. stpeter

    now I just need to figure out how to subscribe to calendars

  146. Tobias


  147. Tobias

    btw: are there special standard URIs for ics ical feeds?

  148. stpeter

    I don't think so

  149. stpeter

    just a media type

  150. Tobias

    yeah, but you can't add those to <a/> tags, can you? :)

  151. stpeter

    seems to have worked

  152. stpeter

    no, you just link to the http URL, I suppose

  153. stpeter


  154. Tobias

    but that'll just download the file, the ideal experience would be that the browser forwards it to your calendaring software to subscribe to it

  155. stpeter


  156. Tobias

    webcal:// is non-standard, right?

  157. Tobias

    would be cool if browsers could delegate content to apps via HTTP content-type

  158. koski

    Good end of the day Sirs!

  159. stpeter

    BTW, I updated http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-source-control/

  160. stpeter


  161. stpeter

    no redirects yet, though

  162. bear