XSF Discussion - 2010-12-15

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  54. stpeter

    T-15 minutes?

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  56. koski

    stpeter: if I have understood correctly, yes.

  57. stpeter

    same here :)

  58. stpeter


  59. Kev_

    And it is time, I think.

  60. stpeter

    it's time to meet, but Alex is in charge

  61. stpeter

    so I'll defer to Alex

  62. Alex


  63. Alex

    I need 2 more minutes

  64. stpeter

    I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year

  65. Kev_

    I think it's largely irrelevant, but I'm open to arguments.

  66. Alex

    ok, I'm ready

  67. Alex bangs the gavel

  68. stpeter

    the only argument I have is that sometimes I convince someone that they really want to apply, but then I have to tell them to wait ~3 months before applying

  69. stpeter

    anyway I'll post to the members list about it :)

  70. Alex

    i'bb put it on the agenda, then we can discuss it in other business

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  72. Alex

    ok, here is our Agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/

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  74. Alex

    1) Call for Quorum

  75. Alex

    as you can see 41 members voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum

  76. Alex

    2) Items Subject to a Vote

  77. Alex

    new and returning members. You can see the applications here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_November_2010

  78. Alex

    3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

  79. Alex

    anybody here who has not voted yet?

  80. koski

    (seems quite silent)

  81. stpeter

    not sure who "kooda" is, but others seem to have voted

  82. Alex

    ok, then I shout down the bot and count the votes

  83. stpeter reads a few more paragraphs of draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns while waiting :)

  84. Florob

    oh, it has voice control now? :o)

  85. Alex has written an app now for counting, so should be faster now, butSSH is quite slow right now

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  88. stpeter

    hi Florian

  89. stpeter

    Alex is counting the votes, please stand by :)

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  91. Florian

    sorry I'm late :)

  92. Alex

    done, updating the page now

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  94. Alex

    4) Announcement of Voting Results

  95. Alex

    when you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/ you can see the results

  96. Alex

    all new and returning members were accepted

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  98. Alex

    5) Any Other Business?

  99. Florian


  100. stpeter

    yeah, good applicant pool

  101. Alex

    so we can disuss Peters proposal now

  102. Florian


  103. bear

    woo - can haz intarnetz

  104. Florian

    what was Peters one?

  105. Alex

    ya, lots of yes votes, strong applicants this time

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  107. Alex

    [21:01:20] <stpeter> I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year

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  109. Florian

    very nice idea

  110. Florian

    I like it ...

  111. stpeter

    sometimes I convince someone to apply, but then I forgot to remind them when the application period opens :)

  112. Alex

    yes I agree, but how do we vote then?

  113. stpeter

    but I think that would require a bylaws change

  114. Alex

    via memberbot 2 weeks for each applicant or just +1 on the memberlist

  115. koski

    Alex: normal way, no?

  116. stpeter

    Alex: just collect all the people who've applied since the last vote and we vote on those

  117. stpeter

    then we clear the cache after the next vote

  118. koski

    Sounds good to me.

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  120. stpeter

    continuous applications, occasional votes

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  122. Alex

    sounds good to me as well

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  124. stpeter

    I think it's easier for applicants and easier for the Secretary (i.e., Alex)

  125. stpeter

    anyway, I'll propose it on the list

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  127. Alex

    I we change this then we should also get rid of the "missed 3 votes" clause for members

  128. stpeter

    Alex: why?

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  130. Alex

    becasue this makes not much sense to me

  131. Kev_

    Members still vote 4 times a year.

  132. stpeter

    it's a good way of purging uninterested members :)

  133. Kev_

    Just that the applicants can edit the wiki whenever they want to.

  134. Kev_

    (I'm in the car btw, so my connection's sucky, sorry)

  135. stpeter

    the Apache guys once told me it was a good idea because they have membership cruft :)

  136. Kev_

    Yeah, kicking people who aren't active any more is sensible.

  137. stpeter

    and it would make it harder to have a quorum

  138. stpeter

    in fact we might never have a quorum

  139. Alex

    many members miss 2 votes and then just vote 1 time to not get removed from the list

  140. Kev_

    We could kick members who don't contribute to one of the teams for a year :D

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  142. stpeter

    then we'd need to define "contribute"

  143. Kev_

    Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek, with a serious undertone.

  144. stpeter

    I hear ya

  145. stpeter

    so, any other "any other business" items?

  146. Kev_

    Not here.

  147. Kev_

    And, indeed, my connection's about to drop.

  148. Alex

    not here as well, we can discuss this further on the list

  149. stpeter

    thanks to all the interop participants, esp. Kev-in-charge

  150. stpeter

    looking forward to the Summit

  151. Kev_

    Aww shucks.

  152. bear

    yes - big thanks for Interop goodness

  153. stpeter

    Happy Yule and all that :)

  154. stpeter

    the usual

  155. Alex

    6) Formal Adjournment

  156. Kev_

    Yes, Merry Christmas to those that celebrate :)

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  158. Alex

    I motion that we adjourn

  159. stpeter


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  163. Kev_

    Bye, thanks all.

  164. stpeter

    thanks, Alex, as always!

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  166. Alex

    Florian you can put me on the list for the summit, all days and dinner

  167. Alex

    not 100% sure yet, but 90%

  168. stpeter

    I hope Kev was a passenger, not driving :)

  169. stpeter

    Alex: great -- it wil be good to see you

  170. Tobias

    yay, iCal tells me now that a meeting started 23 minutes ago :P

  171. stpeter

    Tobias: hmm

  172. Alex

    i forgot to bother somebody to put it in the cal

  173. stpeter

    Tobias: how to we make sure that calendar items trigger alerts?

  174. bear

    you can add an alert item to the vcal, but a lot of cal clients strip that when importing

  175. Alex

    or is there a way for me to add it meetings to the cal?

  176. Florian

    Alex: will do

  177. Tobias

    stpeter: i don't know, it works for some, the alert tag is in ics file

  178. Tobias

    i'd blame iCal :P

  179. bear

    if your calendar software only refreshes from XSF calendar once a day it would have missed the addition

  180. stpeter

    bear: yeah, I had to force-refresh

  181. bear needs to get that into his weekly xsf todo list queue

  182. bear

    so we have multiple eyes watching things

  183. stpeter

    some of the events.xml files were missing <alarm/>

  184. stpeter

    at least Council was

  185. stpeter

    or something -- I fixed one in the last few days :)

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  187. stpeter

    but yeah I might blame iCal :)

  188. bear

    yea, by default iCal strips reminders and stuff from incoming stream

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  190. stpeter


  191. bear

    yea, XML is hard, lets go shopping!

  192. stpeter

    maybe it's time for me to try that Mozilla calendaring app again :)

  193. bear

    haha - i'll report back when the new version is out

  194. stpeter

    heh ok

  195. bear

    since I can walk over and poke the devs now if something breaks

  196. stpeter

    aha, I see now there is a Thunderbird plugin

  197. stpeter

    perhaps I'll give Lightning a try

  198. bear

    yea, Mozilla Messaging team has been very active

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  200. Alex

    Lightning works great for me in combination with Google Calendar and Android

  201. stpeter

    hmm but I lose valuable real estate, I suppose I'll hide it :)

  202. Tobias

    hasn't it always been a tb plugin, but then got extracted into sunbird?

  203. stpeter

    not sure

  204. stpeter

    I only ever tried Sunbird

  205. Alex

    i used both and found no difference in functionality

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  207. stpeter

    now I just need to figure out how to subscribe to calendars

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  209. Tobias

    btw: are there special standard URIs for ics ical feeds?

  210. stpeter

    I don't think so

  211. stpeter

    just a media type

  212. Tobias

    yeah, but you can't add those to <a/> tags, can you? :)

  213. stpeter

    seems to have worked

  214. stpeter

    no, you just link to the http URL, I suppose

  215. stpeter


  216. Tobias

    but that'll just download the file, the ideal experience would be that the browser forwards it to your calendaring software to subscribe to it

  217. stpeter


  218. Tobias

    webcal:// is non-standard, right?

  219. Tobias

    would be cool if browsers could delegate content to apps via HTTP content-type

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  225. koski

    Good end of the day Sirs!

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  227. stpeter

    BTW, I updated http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-source-control/

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  229. stpeter

    no redirects yet, though

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