I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year
Kev_
I think it's largely irrelevant, but I'm open to arguments.
Alex
ok, I'm ready
Alexbangs the gavel
stpeter
the only argument I have is that sometimes I convince someone that they really want to apply, but then I have to tell them to wait ~3 months before applying
stpeter
anyway I'll post to the members list about it :)
Alex
i'bb put it on the agenda, then we can discuss it in other business
stpeter
ok
Alex
ok, here is our Agenda for today:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/
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1) Call for Quorum
Alex
as you can see 41 members voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum
Alex
2) Items Subject to a Vote
Alex
new and returning members. You can see the applications here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_November_2010
Alex
3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
Alex
anybody here who has not voted yet?
koski
(seems quite silent)
stpeter
not sure who "kooda" is, but others seem to have voted
Alex
ok, then I shout down the bot and count the votes
stpeterreads a few more paragraphs of draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns while waiting :)
Florob
oh, it has voice control now? :o)
Alexhas written an app now for counting, so should be faster now, butSSH is quite slow right now
stpeter
heh
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stpeter
hi Florian
stpeter
Alex is counting the votes, please stand by :)
Florian
hi
Florian
sorry I'm late :)
Alex
done, updating the page now
stpeter
ok
Alex
4) Announcement of Voting Results
Alex
when you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/ you can see the results
Alex
all new and returning members were accepted
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5) Any Other Business?
Florian
yes
stpeter
yeah, good applicant pool
Alex
so we can disuss Peters proposal now
Florian
ah?
bear
woo - can haz intarnetz
Florian
what was Peters one?
Alex
ya, lots of yes votes, strong applicants this time
Florian
indeed
Alex
[21:01:20] <stpeter> I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year
stpeter
right
Florian
very nice idea
Florian
I like it ...
stpeter
sometimes I convince someone to apply, but then I forgot to remind them when the application period opens :)
Alex
yes I agree, but how do we vote then?
stpeter
but I think that would require a bylaws change
Alex
via memberbot 2 weeks for each applicant or just +1 on the memberlist
koski
Alex: normal way, no?
stpeter
Alex: just collect all the people who've applied since the last vote and we vote on those
stpeter
then we clear the cache after the next vote
koski
Sounds good to me.
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stpeter
continuous applications, occasional votes
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Alex
sounds good to me as well
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stpeter
I think it's easier for applicants and easier for the Secretary (i.e., Alex)
stpeter
anyway, I'll propose it on the list
bear
+1
Alex
I we change this then we should also get rid of the "missed 3 votes" clause for members
stpeter
Alex: why?
Kev_
Why?
Alex
becasue this makes not much sense to me
Kev_
Members still vote 4 times a year.
stpeter
it's a good way of purging uninterested members :)
Kev_
Just that the applicants can edit the wiki whenever they want to.
Kev_
(I'm in the car btw, so my connection's sucky, sorry)
stpeter
the Apache guys once told me it was a good idea because they have membership cruft :)
Kev_
Yeah, kicking people who aren't active any more is sensible.
stpeter
and it would make it harder to have a quorum
stpeter
in fact we might never have a quorum
Alex
many members miss 2 votes and then just vote 1 time to not get removed from the list
Kev_
We could kick members who don't contribute to one of the teams for a year :D
stpeter
heh
stpeter
then we'd need to define "contribute"
Kev_
Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek, with a serious undertone.
stpeter
I hear ya
stpeter
so, any other "any other business" items?
Kev_
Not here.
Kev_
And, indeed, my connection's about to drop.
Alex
not here as well, we can discuss this further on the list
stpeter
thanks to all the interop participants, esp. Kev-in-charge
stpeter
looking forward to the Summit
Kev_
Aww shucks.
bear
yes - big thanks for Interop goodness
stpeter
Happy Yule and all that :)
stpeter
the usual
Alex
6) Formal Adjournment
Kev_
Yes, Merry Christmas to those that celebrate :)
Kev_
Second.
Alex
I motion that we adjourn
stpeter
seconded
Alexbangs the gavel
bear
\o/
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Kev_
Bye, thanks all.
stpeter
thanks, Alex, as always!
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Florian you can put me on the list for the summit, all days and dinner
Alex
not 100% sure yet, but 90%
stpeter
I hope Kev was a passenger, not driving :)
stpeter
Alex: great -- it wil be good to see you
Tobias
yay, iCal tells me now that a meeting started 23 minutes ago :P
stpeter
Tobias: hmm
Alex
i forgot to bother somebody to put it in the cal
stpeter
Tobias: how to we make sure that calendar items trigger alerts?
bear
you can add an alert item to the vcal, but a lot of cal clients strip that when importing
Alex
or is there a way for me to add it meetings to the cal?
Florian
Alex: will do
Tobias
stpeter: i don't know, it works for some, the alert tag is in ics file
Tobias
i'd blame iCal :P
bear
if your calendar software only refreshes from XSF calendar once a day it would have missed the addition
stpeter
bear: yeah, I had to force-refresh
bearneeds to get that into his weekly xsf todo list queue
bear
so we have multiple eyes watching things
stpeter
some of the events.xml files were missing <alarm/>
stpeter
at least Council was
stpeter
or something -- I fixed one in the last few days :)
bear
:)
stpeter
but yeah I might blame iCal :)
bear
yea, by default iCal strips reminders and stuff from incoming stream
stpeter
ah
stpeter
idiots
bear
yea, XML is hard, lets go shopping!
stpeter
maybe it's time for me to try that Mozilla calendaring app again :)
bear
haha - i'll report back when the new version is out
stpeter
heh ok
bear
since I can walk over and poke the devs now if something breaks
stpeter
aha, I see now there is a Thunderbird plugin
stpeter
perhaps I'll give Lightning a try
bear
yea, Mozilla Messaging team has been very active
bearflees to get lunch before the other devs clean it out
Alex
Lightning works great for me in combination with Google Calendar and Android
stpeter
hmm but I lose valuable real estate, I suppose I'll hide it :)
Tobias
hasn't it always been a tb plugin, but then got extracted into sunbird?
stpeter
not sure
stpeter
I only ever tried Sunbird
Alex
i used both and found no difference in functionality
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stpeter
now I just need to figure out how to subscribe to calendars
Tobias
heh
Tobias
btw: are there special standard URIs for ics ical feeds?
stpeter
I don't think so
stpeter
just a media type
Tobias
yeah, but you can't add those to <a/> tags, can you? :)
stpeter
seems to have worked
stpeter
no, you just link to the http URL, I suppose
stpeter
brb
Tobias
but that'll just download the file, the ideal experience would be that the browser forwards it to your calendaring software to subscribe to it
stpeter
true
Tobias
webcal:// is non-standard, right?
Tobias
would be cool if browsers could delegate content to apps via HTTP content-type
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koski
Good end of the day Sirs!
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stpeter
BTW, I updated http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-source-control/