XSF Discussion - 2010-12-15

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  54. stpeter T-15 minutes?
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  56. koski stpeter: if I have understood correctly, yes.
  57. stpeter same here :)
  58. stpeter ok
  59. Kev_ And it is time, I think.
  60. stpeter it's time to meet, but Alex is in charge
  61. stpeter so I'll defer to Alex
  62. Alex ;-)
  63. Alex I need 2 more minutes
  64. stpeter I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year
  65. Kev_ I think it's largely irrelevant, but I'm open to arguments.
  66. Alex ok, I'm ready
  67. Alex bangs the gavel
  68. stpeter the only argument I have is that sometimes I convince someone that they really want to apply, but then I have to tell them to wait ~3 months before applying
  69. stpeter anyway I'll post to the members list about it :)
  70. Alex i'bb put it on the agenda, then we can discuss it in other business
  71. stpeter ok
  72. Alex ok, here is our Agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/
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  74. Alex 1) Call for Quorum
  75. Alex as you can see 41 members voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum
  76. Alex 2) Items Subject to a Vote
  77. Alex new and returning members. You can see the applications here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_November_2010
  78. Alex 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
  79. Alex anybody here who has not voted yet?
  80. koski (seems quite silent)
  81. stpeter not sure who "kooda" is, but others seem to have voted
  82. Alex ok, then I shout down the bot and count the votes
  83. stpeter reads a few more paragraphs of draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns while waiting :)
  84. Florob oh, it has voice control now? :o)
  85. Alex has written an app now for counting, so should be faster now, butSSH is quite slow right now
  86. stpeter heh
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  88. stpeter hi Florian
  89. stpeter Alex is counting the votes, please stand by :)
  90. Florian hi
  91. Florian sorry I'm late :)
  92. Alex done, updating the page now
  93. stpeter ok
  94. Alex 4) Announcement of Voting Results
  95. Alex when you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/ you can see the results
  96. Alex all new and returning members were accepted
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  98. Alex 5) Any Other Business?
  99. Florian yes
  100. stpeter yeah, good applicant pool
  101. Alex so we can disuss Peters proposal now
  102. Florian ah?
  103. bear woo - can haz intarnetz
  104. Florian what was Peters one?
  105. Alex ya, lots of yes votes, strong applicants this time
  106. Florian indeed
  107. Alex [21:01:20] <stpeter> I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year
  108. stpeter right
  109. Florian very nice idea
  110. Florian I like it ...
  111. stpeter sometimes I convince someone to apply, but then I forgot to remind them when the application period opens :)
  112. Alex yes I agree, but how do we vote then?
  113. stpeter but I think that would require a bylaws change
  114. Alex via memberbot 2 weeks for each applicant or just +1 on the memberlist
  115. koski Alex: normal way, no?
  116. stpeter Alex: just collect all the people who've applied since the last vote and we vote on those
  117. stpeter then we clear the cache after the next vote
  118. koski Sounds good to me.
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  120. stpeter continuous applications, occasional votes
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  122. Alex sounds good to me as well
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  124. stpeter I think it's easier for applicants and easier for the Secretary (i.e., Alex)
  125. stpeter anyway, I'll propose it on the list
  126. bear +1
  127. Alex I we change this then we should also get rid of the "missed 3 votes" clause for members
  128. stpeter Alex: why?
  129. Kev_ Why?
  130. Alex becasue this makes not much sense to me
  131. Kev_ Members still vote 4 times a year.
  132. stpeter it's a good way of purging uninterested members :)
  133. Kev_ Just that the applicants can edit the wiki whenever they want to.
  134. Kev_ (I'm in the car btw, so my connection's sucky, sorry)
  135. stpeter the Apache guys once told me it was a good idea because they have membership cruft :)
  136. Kev_ Yeah, kicking people who aren't active any more is sensible.
  137. stpeter and it would make it harder to have a quorum
  138. stpeter in fact we might never have a quorum
  139. Alex many members miss 2 votes and then just vote 1 time to not get removed from the list
  140. Kev_ We could kick members who don't contribute to one of the teams for a year :D
  141. stpeter heh
  142. stpeter then we'd need to define "contribute"
  143. Kev_ Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek, with a serious undertone.
  144. stpeter I hear ya
  145. stpeter so, any other "any other business" items?
  146. Kev_ Not here.
  147. Kev_ And, indeed, my connection's about to drop.
  148. Alex not here as well, we can discuss this further on the list
  149. stpeter thanks to all the interop participants, esp. Kev-in-charge
  150. stpeter looking forward to the Summit
  151. Kev_ Aww shucks.
  152. bear yes - big thanks for Interop goodness
  153. stpeter Happy Yule and all that :)
  154. stpeter the usual
  155. Alex 6) Formal Adjournment
  156. Kev_ Yes, Merry Christmas to those that celebrate :)
  157. Kev_ Second.
  158. Alex I motion that we adjourn
  159. stpeter seconded
  160. Alex bangs the gavel
  161. bear \o/
  162. stpeter prints XEP-0198 for offline editing
  163. Kev_ Bye, thanks all.
  164. stpeter thanks, Alex, as always!
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  166. Alex Florian you can put me on the list for the summit, all days and dinner
  167. Alex not 100% sure yet, but 90%
  168. stpeter I hope Kev was a passenger, not driving :)
  169. stpeter Alex: great -- it wil be good to see you
  170. Tobias yay, iCal tells me now that a meeting started 23 minutes ago :P
  171. stpeter Tobias: hmm
  172. Alex i forgot to bother somebody to put it in the cal
  173. stpeter Tobias: how to we make sure that calendar items trigger alerts?
  174. bear you can add an alert item to the vcal, but a lot of cal clients strip that when importing
  175. Alex or is there a way for me to add it meetings to the cal?
  176. Florian Alex: will do
  177. Tobias stpeter: i don't know, it works for some, the alert tag is in ics file
  178. Tobias i'd blame iCal :P
  179. bear if your calendar software only refreshes from XSF calendar once a day it would have missed the addition
  180. stpeter bear: yeah, I had to force-refresh
  181. bear needs to get that into his weekly xsf todo list queue
  182. bear so we have multiple eyes watching things
  183. stpeter some of the events.xml files were missing <alarm/>
  184. stpeter at least Council was
  185. stpeter or something -- I fixed one in the last few days :)
  186. bear :)
  187. stpeter but yeah I might blame iCal :)
  188. bear yea, by default iCal strips reminders and stuff from incoming stream
  189. stpeter ah
  190. stpeter idiots
  191. bear yea, XML is hard, lets go shopping!
  192. stpeter maybe it's time for me to try that Mozilla calendaring app again :)
  193. bear haha - i'll report back when the new version is out
  194. stpeter heh ok
  195. bear since I can walk over and poke the devs now if something breaks
  196. stpeter aha, I see now there is a Thunderbird plugin
  197. stpeter perhaps I'll give Lightning a try
  198. bear yea, Mozilla Messaging team has been very active
  199. bear flees to get lunch before the other devs clean it out
  200. Alex Lightning works great for me in combination with Google Calendar and Android
  201. stpeter hmm but I lose valuable real estate, I suppose I'll hide it :)
  202. Tobias hasn't it always been a tb plugin, but then got extracted into sunbird?
  203. stpeter not sure
  204. stpeter I only ever tried Sunbird
  205. Alex i used both and found no difference in functionality
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  207. stpeter now I just need to figure out how to subscribe to calendars
  208. Tobias heh
  209. Tobias btw: are there special standard URIs for ics ical feeds?
  210. stpeter I don't think so
  211. stpeter just a media type
  212. Tobias yeah, but you can't add those to <a/> tags, can you? :)
  213. stpeter seems to have worked
  214. stpeter no, you just link to the http URL, I suppose
  215. stpeter brb
  216. Tobias but that'll just download the file, the ideal experience would be that the browser forwards it to your calendaring software to subscribe to it
  217. stpeter true
  218. Tobias webcal:// is non-standard, right?
  219. Tobias would be cool if browsers could delegate content to apps via HTTP content-type
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  225. koski Good end of the day Sirs!
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  227. stpeter BTW, I updated http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-source-control/
  228. stpeter finally
  229. stpeter no redirects yet, though
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