XSF Discussion - 2010-12-15

T-15 minutes?

stpeter: if I have understood correctly, yes.

same here :)

ok

And it is time, I think.

it's time to meet, but Alex is in charge

so I'll defer to Alex

;-)

I need 2 more minutes

I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year

I think it's largely irrelevant, but I'm open to arguments.

ok, I'm ready

the only argument I have is that sometimes I convince someone that they really want to apply, but then I have to tell them to wait ~3 months before applying

anyway I'll post to the members list about it :)

i'bb put it on the agenda, then we can discuss it in other business

ok

ok, here is our Agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/

1) Call for Quorum

as you can see 41 members voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum

2) Items Subject to a Vote

new and returning members. You can see the applications here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_November_2010

3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

anybody here who has not voted yet?

(seems quite silent)

not sure who "kooda" is, but others seem to have voted

ok, then I shout down the bot and count the votes

oh, it has voice control now? :o)

heh

hi Florian

Alex is counting the votes, please stand by :)

hi

sorry I'm late :)

done, updating the page now

ok

4) Announcement of Voting Results

when you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/ you can see the results

all new and returning members were accepted

5) Any Other Business?

yes

yeah, good applicant pool

so we can disuss Peters proposal now

ah?

woo - can haz intarnetz

what was Peters one?

ya, lots of yes votes, strong applicants this time

indeed

[21:01:20] <stpeter> I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year

right

very nice idea

I like it ...

sometimes I convince someone to apply, but then I forgot to remind them when the application period opens :)

yes I agree, but how do we vote then?

but I think that would require a bylaws change

via memberbot 2 weeks for each applicant or just +1 on the memberlist

Alex: normal way, no?

Alex: just collect all the people who've applied since the last vote and we vote on those

then we clear the cache after the next vote

Sounds good to me.

continuous applications, occasional votes

sounds good to me as well

I think it's easier for applicants and easier for the Secretary (i.e., Alex)

anyway, I'll propose it on the list

+1

I we change this then we should also get rid of the "missed 3 votes" clause for members

Alex: why?

Why?

becasue this makes not much sense to me

Members still vote 4 times a year.

it's a good way of purging uninterested members :)

Just that the applicants can edit the wiki whenever they want to.

(I'm in the car btw, so my connection's sucky, sorry)

the Apache guys once told me it was a good idea because they have membership cruft :)

Yeah, kicking people who aren't active any more is sensible.

and it would make it harder to have a quorum

in fact we might never have a quorum

many members miss 2 votes and then just vote 1 time to not get removed from the list

We could kick members who don't contribute to one of the teams for a year :D

heh

then we'd need to define "contribute"

Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek, with a serious undertone.

I hear ya

so, any other "any other business" items?

Not here.

And, indeed, my connection's about to drop.

not here as well, we can discuss this further on the list

thanks to all the interop participants, esp. Kev-in-charge

looking forward to the Summit

Aww shucks.

yes - big thanks for Interop goodness

Happy Yule and all that :)

the usual

6) Formal Adjournment

Yes, Merry Christmas to those that celebrate :)

Second.

I motion that we adjourn

seconded

\o/

Bye, thanks all.

thanks, Alex, as always!

Florian you can put me on the list for the summit, all days and dinner

not 100% sure yet, but 90%

I hope Kev was a passenger, not driving :)

Alex: great -- it wil be good to see you

yay, iCal tells me now that a meeting started 23 minutes ago :P

Tobias: hmm

i forgot to bother somebody to put it in the cal

Tobias: how to we make sure that calendar items trigger alerts?

you can add an alert item to the vcal, but a lot of cal clients strip that when importing

or is there a way for me to add it meetings to the cal?

Alex: will do

stpeter: i don't know, it works for some, the alert tag is in ics file

i'd blame iCal :P

if your calendar software only refreshes from XSF calendar once a day it would have missed the addition

bear: yeah, I had to force-refresh

so we have multiple eyes watching things

some of the events.xml files were missing <alarm/>

at least Council was

or something -- I fixed one in the last few days :)

:)

but yeah I might blame iCal :)

yea, by default iCal strips reminders and stuff from incoming stream

ah

idiots

yea, XML is hard, lets go shopping!

maybe it's time for me to try that Mozilla calendaring app again :)

haha - i'll report back when the new version is out

heh ok

since I can walk over and poke the devs now if something breaks

aha, I see now there is a Thunderbird plugin

perhaps I'll give Lightning a try

yea, Mozilla Messaging team has been very active

Lightning works great for me in combination with Google Calendar and Android

hmm but I lose valuable real estate, I suppose I'll hide it :)

hasn't it always been a tb plugin, but then got extracted into sunbird?

not sure

I only ever tried Sunbird

i used both and found no difference in functionality

now I just need to figure out how to subscribe to calendars

heh

btw: are there special standard URIs for ics ical feeds?

I don't think so

just a media type

yeah, but you can't add those to <a/> tags, can you? :)

seems to have worked

no, you just link to the http URL, I suppose

brb

but that'll just download the file, the ideal experience would be that the browser forwards it to your calendaring software to subscribe to it

true

webcal:// is non-standard, right?

would be cool if browsers could delegate content to apps via HTTP content-type

Good end of the day Sirs!

BTW, I updated http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-source-control/

finally

no redirects yet, though

wooo