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stpeter
T-15 minutes?
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koski
stpeter: if I have understood correctly, yes.
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stpeter
same here :)
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stpeter
ok
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Kev_
And it is time, I think.
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stpeter
it's time to meet, but Alex is in charge
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stpeter
so I'll defer to Alex
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Alex
;-)
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Alex
I need 2 more minutes
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stpeter
I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year
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Kev_
I think it's largely irrelevant, but I'm open to arguments.
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Alex
ok, I'm ready
- Alex bangs the gavel
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stpeter
the only argument I have is that sometimes I convince someone that they really want to apply, but then I have to tell them to wait ~3 months before applying
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stpeter
anyway I'll post to the members list about it :)
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Alex
i'bb put it on the agenda, then we can discuss it in other business
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stpeter
ok
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Alex
ok, here is our Agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/
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Alex
1) Call for Quorum
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Alex
as you can see 41 members voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum
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Alex
2) Items Subject to a Vote
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Alex
new and returning members. You can see the applications here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_November_2010
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Alex
3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
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Alex
anybody here who has not voted yet?
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koski
(seems quite silent)
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stpeter
not sure who "kooda" is, but others seem to have voted
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Alex
ok, then I shout down the bot and count the votes
- stpeter reads a few more paragraphs of draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns while waiting :)
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Florob
oh, it has voice control now? :o)
- Alex has written an app now for counting, so should be faster now, butSSH is quite slow right now
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
hi Florian
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stpeter
Alex is counting the votes, please stand by :)
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Florian
hi
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Florian
sorry I'm late :)
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Alex
done, updating the page now
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stpeter
ok
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Alex
4) Announcement of Voting Results
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Alex
when you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2010-12-15/ you can see the results
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Alex
all new and returning members were accepted
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Alex
5) Any Other Business?
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Florian
yes
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stpeter
yeah, good applicant pool
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Alex
so we can disuss Peters proposal now
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Florian
ah?
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bear
woo - can haz intarnetz
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Florian
what was Peters one?
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Alex
ya, lots of yes votes, strong applicants this time
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Florian
indeed
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Alex
[21:01:20] <stpeter> I was wondering this morning whether it makes sense to allow applications at any time, but the membership will vote only 4 times a year
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stpeter
right
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Florian
very nice idea
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Florian
I like it ...
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stpeter
sometimes I convince someone to apply, but then I forgot to remind them when the application period opens :)
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Alex
yes I agree, but how do we vote then?
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stpeter
but I think that would require a bylaws change
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Alex
via memberbot 2 weeks for each applicant or just +1 on the memberlist
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koski
Alex: normal way, no?
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stpeter
Alex: just collect all the people who've applied since the last vote and we vote on those
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stpeter
then we clear the cache after the next vote
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koski
Sounds good to me.
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stpeter
continuous applications, occasional votes
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Alex
sounds good to me as well
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stpeter
I think it's easier for applicants and easier for the Secretary (i.e., Alex)
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stpeter
anyway, I'll propose it on the list
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bear
+1
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Alex
I we change this then we should also get rid of the "missed 3 votes" clause for members
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stpeter
Alex: why?
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Kev_
Why?
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Alex
becasue this makes not much sense to me
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Kev_
Members still vote 4 times a year.
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stpeter
it's a good way of purging uninterested members :)
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Kev_
Just that the applicants can edit the wiki whenever they want to.
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Kev_
(I'm in the car btw, so my connection's sucky, sorry)
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stpeter
the Apache guys once told me it was a good idea because they have membership cruft :)
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Kev_
Yeah, kicking people who aren't active any more is sensible.
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stpeter
and it would make it harder to have a quorum
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stpeter
in fact we might never have a quorum
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Alex
many members miss 2 votes and then just vote 1 time to not get removed from the list
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Kev_
We could kick members who don't contribute to one of the teams for a year :D
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
then we'd need to define "contribute"
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Kev_
Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek, with a serious undertone.
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stpeter
I hear ya
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stpeter
so, any other "any other business" items?
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Kev_
Not here.
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Kev_
And, indeed, my connection's about to drop.
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Alex
not here as well, we can discuss this further on the list
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stpeter
thanks to all the interop participants, esp. Kev-in-charge
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stpeter
looking forward to the Summit
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Kev_
Aww shucks.
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bear
yes - big thanks for Interop goodness
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stpeter
Happy Yule and all that :)
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stpeter
the usual
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Alex
6) Formal Adjournment
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Kev_
Yes, Merry Christmas to those that celebrate :)
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Kev_
Second.
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Alex
I motion that we adjourn
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stpeter
seconded
- Alex bangs the gavel
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bear
\o/
- stpeter prints XEP-0198 for offline editing
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Kev_
Bye, thanks all.
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stpeter
thanks, Alex, as always!
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Alex
Florian you can put me on the list for the summit, all days and dinner
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Alex
not 100% sure yet, but 90%
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stpeter
I hope Kev was a passenger, not driving :)
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stpeter
Alex: great -- it wil be good to see you
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Tobias
yay, iCal tells me now that a meeting started 23 minutes ago :P
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stpeter
Tobias: hmm
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Alex
i forgot to bother somebody to put it in the cal
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stpeter
Tobias: how to we make sure that calendar items trigger alerts?
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bear
you can add an alert item to the vcal, but a lot of cal clients strip that when importing
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Alex
or is there a way for me to add it meetings to the cal?
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Florian
Alex: will do
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Tobias
stpeter: i don't know, it works for some, the alert tag is in ics file
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Tobias
i'd blame iCal :P
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bear
if your calendar software only refreshes from XSF calendar once a day it would have missed the addition
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stpeter
bear: yeah, I had to force-refresh
- bear needs to get that into his weekly xsf todo list queue
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bear
so we have multiple eyes watching things
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stpeter
some of the events.xml files were missing <alarm/>
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stpeter
at least Council was
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stpeter
or something -- I fixed one in the last few days :)
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bear
:)
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stpeter
but yeah I might blame iCal :)
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bear
yea, by default iCal strips reminders and stuff from incoming stream
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stpeter
ah
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stpeter
idiots
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bear
yea, XML is hard, lets go shopping!
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stpeter
maybe it's time for me to try that Mozilla calendaring app again :)
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bear
haha - i'll report back when the new version is out
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stpeter
heh ok
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bear
since I can walk over and poke the devs now if something breaks
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stpeter
aha, I see now there is a Thunderbird plugin
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stpeter
perhaps I'll give Lightning a try
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bear
yea, Mozilla Messaging team has been very active
- bear flees to get lunch before the other devs clean it out
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Alex
Lightning works great for me in combination with Google Calendar and Android
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stpeter
hmm but I lose valuable real estate, I suppose I'll hide it :)
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Tobias
hasn't it always been a tb plugin, but then got extracted into sunbird?
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stpeter
not sure
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stpeter
I only ever tried Sunbird
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Alex
i used both and found no difference in functionality
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stpeter
now I just need to figure out how to subscribe to calendars
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Tobias
heh
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Tobias
btw: are there special standard URIs for ics ical feeds?
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stpeter
I don't think so
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stpeter
just a media type
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Tobias
yeah, but you can't add those to <a/> tags, can you? :)
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stpeter
seems to have worked
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stpeter
no, you just link to the http URL, I suppose
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stpeter
brb
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Tobias
but that'll just download the file, the ideal experience would be that the browser forwards it to your calendaring software to subscribe to it
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stpeter
true
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Tobias
webcal:// is non-standard, right?
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Tobias
would be cool if browsers could delegate content to apps via HTTP content-type
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koski
Good end of the day Sirs!
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stpeter
BTW, I updated http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-source-control/
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stpeter
finally
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stpeter
no redirects yet, though
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bear
wooo