XSF Discussion - 2010-12-22

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  18. Nÿco

    3 mins

  19. Nÿco


  20. stpeter


  21. stpeter

    I'm on the phone

  22. Florian

    I'm here

  23. Nÿco


  24. Nÿco

    what's the agenda today?

  25. Florian

    I guess FOSDEM / Summit

  26. Nÿco

    Jack is not there?

  27. Florian

    nor is WIll

  28. Florian

    what about moving this meeting?

  29. Florian

    a week down the line?

  30. stpeter

    not sure who is working next week :)

  31. stpeter

    but we can chat among the three of us :)

  32. Nÿco

    no reminder no meeting?

  33. stpeter

    wasn't it in the calendar?

  34. Florian

    it was

  35. Florian

    and the reminder was kinda sent by Will :)

  36. stpeter

    somehow I don't receive pop-up reminders

  37. Nÿco

    I must tell I ama bit disappointed by the lack of concern of the board...

  38. stpeter

    but I thikn that's an iCal issue

  39. Florian

    I got a pop-up

  40. Nÿco

    what can we do?

  41. Florian

    I don't think it's been too bad

  42. Florian

    so far, all the meetings, everyone was there

  43. stpeter

    one thing that came up on the XMPP list was the idea of holding a joint XSF/IETF meeting at FOSDEM

  44. stpeter

    e.g., on Monday

  45. Florian

    what does an IETF meeting involve?

  46. stpeter

    to work on things that are of interest to the XMPP WG and the broader community -- especially internationalization, but also end-to-end encryption and server-to-server "piggybacking" (domain name assertions)

  47. Florian


  48. stpeter

    essentially, we would work on the agenda for Monday together with the chairs of the XMPP WG, who are Joe Hildebrand and Ben Campbell

  49. stpeter

    and it might be easier for some people to get travel approvals

  50. Nÿco

    I guess a few XMPP guys are involved n IETF, and don't know the procedures

  51. Florian

    what about getting a second room at Cisco?

  52. stpeter

    two tracks

  53. Florian

    maybe just for an hour or two

  54. stpeter


  55. Florian

    well, a side-track ... IETF for 2-3 hours

  56. Florian

    not sure how long these take, and what procedures there are

  57. stpeter

    well, the internationalized address stuff is pretty critical :)

  58. stpeter

    and that will take us a while to figure out

  59. Florian

    right ... but how does it differ from the normal summits?

  60. stpeter

    it all makes your head hurt :)

  61. Florian

    i.e. are there things that we need to do formally

  62. Florian

    that we don't during the summits?

  63. stpeter

    I don't think it would really be different

  64. Nÿco

    so wanna transform an XMPP Summit in IETF Summit?

  65. Florian

    well ... why not hold them joint then?

  66. stpeter

    except that on Friday we would probably talk about some things that are not within the charter for the XMPP WG, and on Monday we would talk about things that are within the XMPP WG charter -- internationalization, end-to-end encryption, and server-to-server improvements

  67. Florian

    ok ...

  68. Florian

    how about this ...

  69. Florian

    monday ... have half of the day being IETF topics

  70. stpeter

    could do that, too

  71. Florian

    and if we have other topics, from outside the IETF charter, those are still addressed

  72. stpeter


  73. stpeter

    I think that would work fine

  74. Florian

    splitting up for more than an hour or two would be bad

  75. Florian

    as we want input from everyone really

  76. stpeter


  77. Florian

    Nÿco: do you agree with that?

  78. Florian

    i'll put it down for now ...

  79. stpeter


  80. Florian

    I've got some news for the DevChallenge

  81. stpeter


  82. stpeter

    I still haven't taken care of the lunch / coffee stuff on Friday and Monday

  83. Florian

    Nokia is willing to give away a phone again

  84. Florian

    for a DevChallenge

  85. stpeter

    that's great

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  87. Florian

    they are researching the possibility of getting 20 phones again

  88. Florian

    I'd like to ask the Council if they have any ideas about the topics for the dev challenge

  89. Florian

    there is the Ovi Push Service (based on XMPP)

  90. Florian

    which is a topic Nokia is interested in

  91. Florian

    but maybe the council can come up with some other topics?

  92. stpeter

    yes, let's poke them

  93. Florian

    stpeter: can you do that?

  94. stpeter

    or bring it up on the Members list

  95. Florian

    or that

  96. stpeter

    I like to make things more open if we can :)

  97. Florian

    sounds good :)

  98. Florian

    so will you take lead on that?

  99. stpeter


  100. Florian

    next topic?

  101. Florian

    I wanted to bring up the massive Facebook debate

  102. stpeter


  103. stpeter

    heh ok

  104. Nÿco

    what's that?

  105. Florian

    the "official" Facebook page

  106. Nÿco

    nothing official

  107. Nÿco

    but we absolutely need to be there, one way or another, like any other successful service

  108. Florian


  109. Nÿco

    we need to promote ourselves

  110. Florian

    I agree

  111. Nÿco

    whether it is by the Board/Council or by the community

  112. stpeter

    I really don't have a problem with it :)

  113. Nÿco

    here, the community manages it, so be it

  114. Florian

    me n'either

  115. Florian

    I think it's a good idea

  116. Nÿco

    we can however officially demand the removal of 'official'

  117. Florian

    so why not make it official?

  118. Florian

    I wouldn't go as far as linking it on xmpp.org

  119. Nÿco

    because people have expressed strong opinions against it, which are right

  120. Nÿco

    t would be a strong message that the XSF supports this closed island

  121. Florian


  122. Nÿco

    otherwise, we would need an "official" presence on Twitter as well

  123. Nÿco

    ...and on any other successful service

  124. Florian


  125. Nÿco

    successful being defined by many different ways

  126. Florian

    ok... so should we just take the position of saying ... promote XMPP wherever you want

  127. Florian

    but none of these services will be managed by the XSF

  128. Florian

    the only official page is XMPP.org

  129. stpeter


  130. stpeter

    which is fine

  131. Florian


  132. stpeter

    I'm not a Facebook person, but I think it's fine to have a Facebook presence for people who use Facebook :)

  133. Florian


  134. stpeter

    I can post about this to the members list

  135. stpeter

    in my role as Executive Director :)

  136. Nÿco

    it needs a Board vote/approval maybe...

  137. stpeter

    well, possibly, yes

  138. Florian


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  140. Florian

    when is the next vote?

  141. stpeter

    the Board can vote anytime it wants

  142. Florian

    right ... I thought a member vote

  143. stpeter


  144. stpeter

    I see no need for that

  145. Florian

    ok ...

  146. Florian

    so should we post the thing I just wrote down to the board list and get an approval?

  147. Nÿco


  148. stpeter


  149. Florian


  150. Florian

    anything else we need to talk about?

  151. Nÿco

    last points were?

  152. stpeter


  153. stpeter

    another issue

  154. stpeter

    Voxeo page

  155. stpeter

    do we have text?

  156. stpeter

    I received a check from them :)

  157. Florian

    searching my inbox

  158. stpeter


  159. Florian

    I have a logo

  160. Florian

    forwarded those to you stpeter

  161. stpeter

    so we might need to ask them for text

  162. stpeter


  163. Florian


  164. Florian

    no text

  165. stpeter

    in the past I've usually drafted those pages based on things I find on the sponsor's website :)

  166. stpeter

    and then ask them for approval

  167. Florian

    or we can do that

  168. stpeter

    I think that's the best approach

  169. Nÿco

    review? http://typewith.me/g942GwirVn

  170. stpeter

    looks good

  171. Florian


  172. Florian

    so I'd say ... meeting adjourned :)

  173. stpeter


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  175. Nÿco


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  177. Florian

    right ... thanks guys

  178. Nÿco


  179. Nÿco

    Merry Christmas

  180. Florian

    I'm off to get my luggage back

  181. Florian

    yes! Merry Xmas :)

  182. stpeter

    good luck with that!

  183. Nÿco


  184. stpeter

    thanks, Nÿco -- thanks, Florian

  185. Nÿco

    thank you Peter

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