NÿcoI must tell I ama bit disappointed by the lack of concern of the board...
stpeterbut I thikn that's an iCal issue
FlorianI got a pop-up
Nÿcowhat can we do?
FlorianI don't think it's been too bad
Florianso far, all the meetings, everyone was there
stpeterone thing that came up on the XMPP list was the idea of holding a joint XSF/IETF meeting at FOSDEM
stpetere.g., on Monday
Florianwhat does an IETF meeting involve?
stpeterto work on things that are of interest to the XMPP WG and the broader community -- especially internationalization, but also end-to-end encryption and server-to-server "piggybacking" (domain name assertions)
stpeteressentially, we would work on the agenda for Monday together with the chairs of the XMPP WG, who are Joe Hildebrand and Ben Campbell
stpeterand it might be easier for some people to get travel approvals
NÿcoI guess a few XMPP guys are involved n IETF, and don't know the procedures
Florianwhat about getting a second room at Cisco?
Florianmaybe just for an hour or two
Florianwell, a side-track ... IETF for 2-3 hours
Floriannot sure how long these take, and what procedures there are
stpeterwell, the internationalized address stuff is pretty critical :)
stpeterand that will take us a while to figure out
Florianright ... but how does it differ from the normal summits?
stpeterit all makes your head hurt :)
Floriani.e. are there things that we need to do formally
Florianthat we don't during the summits?
stpeterI don't think it would really be different
Nÿcoso wanna transform an XMPP Summit in IETF Summit?
Florianwell ... why not hold them joint then?
stpeterexcept that on Friday we would probably talk about some things that are not within the charter for the XMPP WG, and on Monday we would talk about things that are within the XMPP WG charter -- internationalization, end-to-end encryption, and server-to-server improvements
Florianhow about this ...
Florianmonday ... have half of the day being IETF topics
stpetercould do that, too
Florianand if we have other topics, from outside the IETF charter, those are still addressed
stpeterI think that would work fine
Floriansplitting up for more than an hour or two would be bad
Florianas we want input from everyone really
FlorianNÿco: do you agree with that?
Floriani'll put it down for now ...
FlorianI've got some news for the DevChallenge
stpeterI still haven't taken care of the lunch / coffee stuff on Friday and Monday
FlorianNokia is willing to give away a phone again
Florianfor a DevChallenge
Florianthey are researching the possibility of getting 20 phones again
FlorianI'd like to ask the Council if they have any ideas about the topics for the dev challenge
Florianthere is the Ovi Push Service (based on XMPP)
Florianwhich is a topic Nokia is interested in
Florianbut maybe the council can come up with some other topics?
stpeteryes, let's poke them
Florianstpeter: can you do that?
stpeteror bring it up on the Members list
stpeterI like to make things more open if we can :)
Floriansounds good :)
Florianso will you take lead on that?
FlorianI wanted to bring up the massive Facebook debate
Florianthe "official" Facebook page
Nÿcobut we absolutely need to be there, one way or another, like any other successful service
Nÿcowe need to promote ourselves
Nÿcowhether it is by the Board/Council or by the community
stpeterI really don't have a problem with it :)
Nÿcohere, the community manages it, so be it
FlorianI think it's a good idea
Nÿcowe can however officially demand the removal of 'official'
Florianso why not make it official?
FlorianI wouldn't go as far as linking it on xmpp.org
Nÿcobecause people have expressed strong opinions against it, which are right
Nÿcot would be a strong message that the XSF supports this closed island
Nÿcootherwise, we would need an "official" presence on Twitter as well
Nÿco...and on any other successful service
Nÿcosuccessful being defined by many different ways
Florianok... so should we just take the position of saying ... promote XMPP wherever you want
Florianbut none of these services will be managed by the XSF
Florianthe only official page is XMPP.org
stpeterwhich is fine
stpeterI'm not a Facebook person, but I think it's fine to have a Facebook presence for people who use Facebook :)
stpeterI can post about this to the members list
stpeterin my role as Executive Director :)
Nÿcoit needs a Board vote/approval maybe...
stpeterwell, possibly, yes
Florianwhen is the next vote?
stpeterthe Board can vote anytime it wants
Florianright ... I thought a member vote
stpeterI see no need for that
Florianso should we post the thing I just wrote down to the board list and get an approval?
Floriananything else we need to talk about?
Nÿcolast points were?
stpeterdo we have text?
stpeterI received a check from them :)
Floriansearching my inbox
FlorianI have a logo
Florianforwarded those to you stpeter
stpeterso we might need to ask them for text
stpeterin the past I've usually drafted those pages based on things I find on the sponsor's website :)