XSF Discussion - 2010-12-22


  1. Nÿco

    3 mins

  2. Nÿco

    http://typewith.me/g942GwirVn

  3. stpeter

    ok

  4. stpeter

    I'm on the phone

  5. Florian

    I'm here

  6. Nÿco

    good

  7. Nÿco

    what's the agenda today?

  8. Florian

    I guess FOSDEM / Summit

  9. Nÿco

    Jack is not there?

  10. Florian

    nor is WIll

  11. Florian

    what about moving this meeting?

  12. Florian

    a week down the line?

  13. stpeter

    not sure who is working next week :)

  14. stpeter

    but we can chat among the three of us :)

  15. Nÿco

    no reminder no meeting?

  16. stpeter

    wasn't it in the calendar?

  17. Florian

    it was

  18. Florian

    and the reminder was kinda sent by Will :)

  19. stpeter

    somehow I don't receive pop-up reminders

  20. Nÿco

    I must tell I ama bit disappointed by the lack of concern of the board...

  21. stpeter

    but I thikn that's an iCal issue

  22. Florian

    I got a pop-up

  23. Nÿco

    what can we do?

  24. Florian

    I don't think it's been too bad

  25. Florian

    so far, all the meetings, everyone was there

  26. stpeter

    one thing that came up on the XMPP list was the idea of holding a joint XSF/IETF meeting at FOSDEM

  27. stpeter

    e.g., on Monday

  28. Florian

    what does an IETF meeting involve?

  29. stpeter

    to work on things that are of interest to the XMPP WG and the broader community -- especially internationalization, but also end-to-end encryption and server-to-server "piggybacking" (domain name assertions)

  30. Florian

    ok...

  31. stpeter

    essentially, we would work on the agenda for Monday together with the chairs of the XMPP WG, who are Joe Hildebrand and Ben Campbell

  32. stpeter

    and it might be easier for some people to get travel approvals

  33. Nÿco

    I guess a few XMPP guys are involved n IETF, and don't know the procedures

  34. Florian

    what about getting a second room at Cisco?

  35. stpeter

    two tracks

  36. Florian

    maybe just for an hour or two

  37. stpeter

    ?

  38. Florian

    well, a side-track ... IETF for 2-3 hours

  39. Florian

    not sure how long these take, and what procedures there are

  40. stpeter

    well, the internationalized address stuff is pretty critical :)

  41. stpeter

    and that will take us a while to figure out

  42. Florian

    right ... but how does it differ from the normal summits?

  43. stpeter

    it all makes your head hurt :)

  44. Florian

    i.e. are there things that we need to do formally

  45. Florian

    that we don't during the summits?

  46. stpeter

    I don't think it would really be different

  47. Nÿco

    so wanna transform an XMPP Summit in IETF Summit?

  48. Florian

    well ... why not hold them joint then?

  49. stpeter

    except that on Friday we would probably talk about some things that are not within the charter for the XMPP WG, and on Monday we would talk about things that are within the XMPP WG charter -- internationalization, end-to-end encryption, and server-to-server improvements

  50. Florian

    ok ...

  51. Florian

    how about this ...

  52. Florian

    monday ... have half of the day being IETF topics

  53. stpeter

    could do that, too

  54. Florian

    and if we have other topics, from outside the IETF charter, those are still addressed

  55. stpeter

    right

  56. stpeter

    I think that would work fine

  57. Florian

    splitting up for more than an hour or two would be bad

  58. Florian

    as we want input from everyone really

  59. stpeter

    agreed

  60. Florian

    Nÿco: do you agree with that?

  61. Florian

    i'll put it down for now ...

  62. stpeter

    ok

  63. Florian

    I've got some news for the DevChallenge

  64. stpeter

    cool

  65. stpeter

    I still haven't taken care of the lunch / coffee stuff on Friday and Monday

  66. Florian

    Nokia is willing to give away a phone again

  67. Florian

    for a DevChallenge

  68. stpeter

    that's great

  69. Florian

    they are researching the possibility of getting 20 phones again

  70. Florian

    I'd like to ask the Council if they have any ideas about the topics for the dev challenge

  71. Florian

    there is the Ovi Push Service (based on XMPP)

  72. Florian

    which is a topic Nokia is interested in

  73. Florian

    but maybe the council can come up with some other topics?

  74. stpeter

    yes, let's poke them

  75. Florian

    stpeter: can you do that?

  76. stpeter

    or bring it up on the Members list

  77. Florian

    or that

  78. stpeter

    I like to make things more open if we can :)

  79. Florian

    sounds good :)

  80. Florian

    so will you take lead on that?

  81. stpeter

    yes

  82. Florian

    next topic?

  83. Florian

    I wanted to bring up the massive Facebook debate

  84. stpeter

    yep

  85. stpeter

    heh ok

  86. Nÿco

    what's that?

  87. Florian

    the "official" Facebook page

  88. Nÿco

    nothing official

  89. Nÿco

    but we absolutely need to be there, one way or another, like any other successful service

  90. Florian

    right

  91. Nÿco

    we need to promote ourselves

  92. Florian

    I agree

  93. Nÿco

    whether it is by the Board/Council or by the community

  94. stpeter

    I really don't have a problem with it :)

  95. Nÿco

    here, the community manages it, so be it

  96. Florian

    me n'either

  97. Florian

    I think it's a good idea

  98. Nÿco

    we can however officially demand the removal of 'official'

  99. Florian

    so why not make it official?

  100. Florian

    I wouldn't go as far as linking it on xmpp.org

  101. Nÿco

    because people have expressed strong opinions against it, which are right

  102. Nÿco

    t would be a strong message that the XSF supports this closed island

  103. Florian

    hmm

  104. Nÿco

    otherwise, we would need an "official" presence on Twitter as well

  105. Nÿco

    ...and on any other successful service

  106. Florian

    hmm

  107. Nÿco

    successful being defined by many different ways

  108. Florian

    ok... so should we just take the position of saying ... promote XMPP wherever you want

  109. Florian

    but none of these services will be managed by the XSF

  110. Florian

    the only official page is XMPP.org

  111. stpeter

    right

  112. stpeter

    which is fine

  113. Florian

    right

  114. stpeter

    I'm not a Facebook person, but I think it's fine to have a Facebook presence for people who use Facebook :)

  115. Florian

    ok

  116. stpeter

    I can post about this to the members list

  117. stpeter

    in my role as Executive Director :)

  118. Nÿco

    it needs a Board vote/approval maybe...

  119. stpeter

    well, possibly, yes

  120. Florian

    hmm

  121. Florian

    ok

  122. Florian

    when is the next vote?

  123. stpeter

    the Board can vote anytime it wants

  124. Florian

    right ... I thought a member vote

  125. stpeter

    oh

  126. stpeter

    I see no need for that

  127. Florian

    ok ...

  128. Florian

    so should we post the thing I just wrote down to the board list and get an approval?

  129. Nÿco

    yep

  130. stpeter

    +1

  131. Florian

    great

  132. Florian

    anything else we need to talk about?

  133. Nÿco

    last points were?

  134. stpeter

    oh

  135. stpeter

    another issue

  136. stpeter

    Voxeo page

  137. stpeter

    do we have text?

  138. stpeter

    I received a check from them :)

  139. Florian

    searching my inbox

  140. stpeter

    ok

  141. Florian

    I have a logo

  142. Florian

    forwarded those to you stpeter

  143. stpeter

    so we might need to ask them for text

  144. stpeter

    ok

  145. Florian

    right

  146. Florian

    no text

  147. stpeter

    in the past I've usually drafted those pages based on things I find on the sponsor's website :)

  148. stpeter

    and then ask them for approval

  149. Florian

    or we can do that

  150. stpeter

    I think that's the best approach

  151. Nÿco

    review? http://typewith.me/g942GwirVn

  152. stpeter

    looks good

  153. Florian

    yup

  154. Florian

    so I'd say ... meeting adjourned :)

  155. stpeter

    :)

  156. stpeter

    yes

  157. Nÿco

    ok

  158. Nÿco

    thx

  159. Florian

    right ... thanks guys

  160. Nÿco

    and...

  161. Nÿco

    Merry Christmas

  162. Florian

    I'm off to get my luggage back

  163. Florian

    yes! Merry Xmas :)

  164. stpeter

    good luck with that!

  165. Nÿco

    ;-)

  166. stpeter

    thanks, Nÿco -- thanks, Florian

  167. Nÿco

    thank you Peter