XSF Discussion - 2011-01-05

  1. nyco

    http://typewith.me/7kT3TW7Fb2 board meeting in 1 hour

  2. stpeter

    darn I didn't set that up in the calendar

  3. nyco

    no pb, everybody is aware of it ;-)

  4. stpeter


  5. stpeter

    I'll post about it on identica 10-15 minutes before

  6. stpeter completes his yearly password change on the athena machine while he's at it

  7. MiGri

    ah, good to know.

  8. bear

    I just sent an email reminder

  9. bear

    crap - I didn't see that nyco already setup a typewithme

  10. stpeter


  11. stpeter

    MiGri: I changed only my personal password, although I'm working through changes to the mailing list passwords whenever I need to access the admin interfaces

  12. stpeter

    http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo has a lot of lists....

  13. bear

    most "mature" orgs do

  14. Florian

    afternoon all

  15. stpeter

    hi Florian!

  16. stpeter


  17. bear

    well poo - the summit wiki page redirects to the blog page

  18. bear

    so much for using the wiki to allow collab

  19. Florian

    hi all

  20. Florian

    now on Psi :)

  21. Florian

    was surprised to see that MUC worked on the N900

  22. Kev

    You've seen MUC working on an N900 many months ago ;)

  23. Neustradamus

    I wish you an happy new year !

  24. Neustradamus

    thanks stpeter for your email. But about redirections ? it is dead ?

  25. stpeter

    bear: we can reinstate the wiki page for collab stuff and then move things to the .org page as needed

  26. stpeter

    Neustradamus: no, just didn't have time to do that at that moment

  27. bear

    I found the fosdem wiki page that had the devroom section

  28. bear


  29. stpeter


  30. bear

    the only speaker I know of for the summit itself is you and remko

  31. Neustradamus

    stpeter: ok, it is same for mediawiki I think.

  32. Kev

    stpeter: The action on redirections at the moment is that if someone gives me the list of redirects, it'll get done.

  33. Neustradamus

    Kev: look my email ;)

  34. Kev

    What's the title?

  35. Neustradamus

    Redirections do not exist...

  36. Kev

    I've not seen any mails yet telling me what needs redirecting and to where.

  37. Kev

    Ok, will search now.

  38. Kev

    Yes, I saw that mail, but unless someone tells me what the URLs need to redirect *to*, it's not much use.

  39. stpeter

    redirect for http://xmpp.org/software/clients.shtml is now in place

  40. stpeter

    I'll do the rest in the background here

  41. Neustradamus

    ok thanks stpeter, Kev sorry the missing "to".

  42. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/software/servers.shtml done

  43. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/software/libraries.shtml done

  44. bear

    board meeting notes: http://typewith.me/7kT3TW7Fb2

  45. Florian

    so, who's missing?

  46. Florian

    just Jack?

  47. bear

    so far

  48. Neustradamus

    stpeter: thanks

  49. Will

    i've re-ordered the typewith.me agenda a bit so we can talk fosdem/summit before i need to go..

  50. Will

    hope nobody minds

  51. stpeter


  52. bear


  53. Florian

    ok, so should we start?

  54. stpeter


  55. Will


  56. Florian

    ok ... so ... FOSDEM I guess?

  57. Will

    i note that the confirmations have been sent out to those who have got booths this year - did we get one?

  58. Neustradamus

    stpeter: about overview.shtml I do not know...

  59. stpeter

    Will: I just invited ralphm

  60. Will


  61. Will

    i have actions on booth activity - weve had a few volunteers, more will appear closer to the time

  62. Florian


  63. Will

    i also have actions on t-shirt, stickers, etc. - will get info to Board next week

  64. Will

    I have used the discussions at the last board meeting as inspriation for a potential t-shirt design ....

  65. Neustradamus

    stpeter: XMPP protocol informations... with a search of the link in a search engine.

  66. Will


  67. stpeter

    http://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2010-December/001116.html says they're still working on it

  68. nyco

    why Facebook?

  69. Neustradamus

    Will: :D

  70. Will


  71. bear

    neustradamus - can you defer talk about that till after meeting

  72. ralphm

    I wouldn't wear design-1

  73. stpeter


  74. Will

    http://www.fosdem.org/2011/ - say "Stands - notifications sent"

  75. ralphm

    xmpp doesn't love anyone :-D

  76. stpeter

    how about the other way around? ;)

  77. bear

    [F] <3 XMPP

  78. ralphm

    bear: do you have inside information to confirm that?

  79. bear

    nothing I can say in public :(

  80. Will

    so, ralphm, have we heard anything from fosdem about the stand?

  81. ralphm

    Will: about the stand. Now that stpeter asked, I'm unsure if we actually applied for a stand. I can't find it in my outbox anyway.

  82. Will

    oh dear

  83. Will

    that's going to make selling t-shirts a little challenging ;-)

  84. Florian


  85. Kev

    No more challenging than last year, methinks.

  86. Florian


  87. stpeter laughts

  88. Will

    we'll have to just pile them all onto Florian and get him to walk around all day

  89. stpeter

    I thought that Kev didn't like the word "methinks"

  90. Florian

    a car boot sale :p

  91. Florian

    maybe get a white Van :p

  92. bear

    do we have any options to getting a stand or are we going to be begging for space on someone else's ?

  93. ralphm

    in ernst, I don't think the fosdem crew would like that

  94. ralphm

    bear: I would give the latter some chance

  95. bear

    who needs to do the reaching out for that?

  96. Will

    ok, so lets wait and see who does have a stand and then approach anyone we think might be generous?

  97. bear


  98. Florian

    but we do have a DevRoom, right?

  99. Will


  100. Florian

    and that's Saturday afternoon again?

  101. stpeter

    I bet the Jitsi guys will let us use some of their space

  102. stpeter

    yes we do have a devroom

  103. ralphm

    to be honest, IMO the devroom does more for us than the stand

  104. stpeter


  105. Florian


  106. Will

    agreed but the stand is fun

  107. Florian

    just makes it harder to scam 20 phones :)

  108. bear

    next item?

  109. Florian


  110. Florian

    Best Western Last year: -> Free Executive Upgrade on rooms (price 436€) --> 109€ / night I sent an E-mail, asking them for a similar offer.

  111. Florian

    Royal Windsor Hotel Grand Place 99 Euros per night per room 30€ / person / day American buffet breakfast Free Internet

  112. stpeter

    I just pinged the fosdem@ list about a list of assigned stands

  113. Will

    stpeter: thanks

  114. Florian

    Le Meridien 178 € double rooms, breakfast included

  115. Florian

    Novotel Brussels Off Grand Place Full. Looking for alternate offers from Accor.

  116. Florian

    Hotel Le Dixseptième 230€ / night

  117. Florian

    those are the offers so far

  118. Florian

    all Hotels are around the Grand Place

  119. Will

    do we (xsf members) have experience of staying at any of above?

  120. Florian

    so in the centre and close to the station

  121. Will

    any recommendations?

  122. Florian

    last year's Hotel

  123. Florian

    the Best Western

  124. Florian

    and Meridien: Fritzy

  125. Will

    does the best western price include breakfast?

  126. stpeter

    last year's was fine

  127. Florian

    it did last year

  128. Florian

    didn't it?

  129. stpeter

    Ralph likes the Atlas, which is just down the street

  130. Will

    did it include bacon?

  131. stpeter

    yes, breakfast was included last year

  132. Florian


  133. stpeter

    Will: I have never seen so much bacon

  134. Will


  135. Florian

    I'll add Atlas to the list

  136. Florian

    and get an offer from them

  137. stpeter


  138. Florian

    I'm looking for a price of 120€ / room incl. breakfast

  139. Florian

    thing is ... Atlas is more expensive

  140. Florian

    or very similar

  141. Florian

    but I will enquire about a package deal

  142. Will

    i'm guessing we need to make a decision quick?

  143. Florian

    do the 120€ / room sound good?

  144. stpeter

    yes we should

  145. Florian


  146. stpeter

    I'd be happy with the Best Western again -- no real difference from the Atlas really in my experience

  147. bear

    people will be planning now if they haven't already

  148. Florian

    right, I'll send another mail to the summit list

  149. Florian

    that we'll get a hotel in the next few days

  150. stpeter


  151. bear


  152. Will


  153. Florian

    so I'll get the offers hopefully tomorrow

  154. bear

    any other fosdem/summit items?

  155. Florian


  156. stpeter

    do we have enough devroom talks lined up?

  157. Florian

    I'm going round eating

  158. stpeter

    ah yes

  159. Florian

    and I'll drop a few propositions to the list tomorrow

  160. stpeter


  161. bear

    we have 3 speakers for dev rooms and 1 possible (someone who emailed but hasn't responded back)

  162. stpeter

    ah we need more speakers then

  163. Kev

    If anyone has suggestions for something I could talk about, yay. I can't think of anything I know about that's particularly interesting for a talk though :)

  164. Will

    need to push hard on this

  165. Will

    how about pressing last year's speakers to give lightning talks on developments with their projects in last 12 months?

  166. stpeter

    the things I could talk about are not so interesting to the general public :)

  167. Florian

    that's a good idea :)

  168. bear

    if we have that list - that's a great idea

  169. bear

    if someone points me to the list i'll contact them

  170. bear

    i'll also crosspost another request for speakers

  171. Florian


  172. stpeter


  173. stpeter


  174. stpeter


  175. bear

    ok, i'll start reaching out to them

  176. stpeter

    can we play "Stump the Experts" again?

  177. Florian


  178. Will


  179. Kev

    Sounds good.

  180. Kev

    That had the room packed even by usual standards.

  181. stpeter

    it seemed fun at the time :)

  182. stpeter

    maybe we can get Thiago to give an update about Jingle Nodes

  183. stpeter


  184. Florian


  185. bear

    I've added the Stump topic

  186. stpeter


  187. stpeter

    I'll poke some folks on and off the lists

  188. bear

    anything else summit/fosdem related?

  189. Will

    not here

  190. bear

    k, moving on then

  191. bear

    RFCbis migration - who wants to talk about that?

  192. stpeter

    there is Monday and the interim meeting for the XMPP WG

  193. stpeter

    what do we mean by bis migration?

  194. stpeter

    as in, when are the specs to be done, or when will software migrate?

  195. bear

    not sure - it was put into the agenda by someone else

  196. stpeter


  197. stpeter

    as you can see from https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis/ballot/ all the "DISCUSSes" have cleared

  198. bear

    k, let's move on - it can be brought up again if need be

  199. stpeter

    so 3920 is ready to move ahead, I think

  200. bear

    anyone want to continue to glance akwardly at RFCbis or shall we move on?

  201. Florian

    ah ... just a last note on FOSDEM: Can we get some more dinner sponsors (Collabora?)

  202. Will

    we'll chip in some money

  203. stpeter

    3921bis is on the agenda for 2 weeks from now https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-3921bis/

  204. bear

    The last item on the agenda is just a note that Fritzy and myself will be starting to reach out to client and lib devs to start getting some interop interest going

  205. stpeter


  206. Kev

    bear: Noting that we're not due another formal interop event for ~=6 months :)

  207. stpeter follows up with Alexey about https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-address/

  208. bear

    kev - agreed and understood - I think it will take months to reach out and engage with most of them

  209. stpeter


  210. stpeter

    but if we do that now, we'll have more participants next time

  211. bear makes note to start a wiki page about that list

  212. bear

    ok, any other agenda items someone wants to insert?

  213. bear

    we are approaching the 30 min mark and i'm feeling itchy to bang the gavel

  214. Florian

    not here

  215. Florian

    except: we need sponsors :)

  216. Florian

    for the dinner :)

  217. stpeter


  218. stpeter

    I'll think about people to poke

  219. Florian

    so far we've got 775€

  220. bear

    what is the dollar amount for sponsoring?

  221. Florian

    we don't have a minimum limit

  222. Florian

    last year's dinner donations were: http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-8/#dinner

  223. bear

    how do I send you some money then - i'll sponsor a seat at the table in my place

  224. Florian

    eh, stpeter?

  225. stpeter


  226. stpeter

    I'll poke some folks about sponsoring

  227. Florian

    for people who aren't attending, yet willing to sponsor?

  228. Florian

    like bear

  229. stpeter


  230. stpeter


  231. stpeter

    haven't heard of that before

  232. Florian

    maybe bank transfer to the XSF?

  233. bear

    i'll mail stpeter a check

  234. Florian

    or that way :)

  235. Florian

    just drop me a line with the amount, and I'll add you to the list :)

  236. bear

    ok, I think we are done then for this meeting - any dissent?

  237. Will

    none here

  238. Florian

    none :)

  239. stpeter

    I need to add our postal address to http://xmpp.org/participate/contact-us/

  240. bear bangs the gavel and closes the meeting

  241. bear

    thanks all for attending

  242. Kev

    Thanks bear.

  243. Kev

    (And all)

  244. Florian

    thanks all :)

  245. bear

    next meeting Jan 19th - same time and place

  246. stpeter updates the calendar this time

  247. bear


  248. bear finalizes minutes and sends to list

  249. stpeter

    Board and Council calendars updated

  250. bear

    thanks stpeter

  251. stpeter

    I suppose we should add the various FOSDEM-related activities to the XSF calendar, eh?

  252. bear

    that would be very nice

  253. stpeter


  254. bear

    i'm going to push the draft blog post now reminding folks about the summit

  255. stpeter

    I'll need to figure out the times

  256. stpeter


  257. bear

    if you put the items in using UTC, then the receiving calendars will adjust

  258. bear

    odd, if you click on the "donate" button - suddenly the postal address appears on the contact-us page

  259. stpeter


  260. stpeter

    ok, FOSDEM events added to the XSF calendar

  261. bear

    wynkoop street - suite 600 -- still valid?

  262. stpeter


  263. stpeter

    I wouldn't have added it otherwise :)

  264. bear

    k, i'll clear the amount with my "boss" and send you a check

  265. stpeter

    I just added that, perhaps you're running into a caching issue

  266. bear


  267. bear

    yea, the donate button just goes back to that page

  268. stpeter

    I like the realtime search stuff on the homepage

  269. bear

    yea, that's very neat

  270. stpeter pushes out a revised version of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check/

  271. bear


  272. bear

    ok, heading out to get lunch in the time I have remaining from $dayjob lunch break ;)

  273. stpeter


  274. stpeter

    that's the second time in the last 24 hours that I've seen $dayjob

  275. stpeter

    must be going around

  276. stpeter

    hadn't seen it before

  277. bear

    I swiped it from one of the Sun guys who swiped it from one of the IBMers - so it's a enterprise thang

  278. bear

    well, that and oldschool perl coders I think

  279. stpeter


  280. stpeter

    my $dayjob at $bigco

  281. bear


  282. stpeter


  283. Kev

    I use $genericthing from time to time.

  284. stpeter


  285. ralphm

    $adjective $time_of_day!