XSF Discussion - 2011-01-05

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16:11:36 nyco http://typewith.me/7kT3TW7Fb2 board meeting in 1 hour
16:12:34 stpeter darn I didn't set that up in the calendar
16:17:38 nyco no pb, everybody is aware of it ;-)
16:20:00 stpeter heh
16:20:47 stpeter I'll post about it on identica 10-15 minutes before
16:22:15 stpeter completes his yearly password change on the athena machine while he's at it
16:25:06 MiGri ah, good to know.
16:31:41 bear I just sent an email reminder
16:32:48 bear crap - I didn't see that nyco already setup a typewithme
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16:39:57 stpeter heh
16:40:33 stpeter MiGri: I changed only my personal password, although I'm working through changes to the mailing list passwords whenever I need to access the admin interfaces
16:42:24 stpeter http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo has a lot of lists....
16:43:53 bear most "mature" orgs do
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16:45:01 Florian afternoon all
16:45:12 stpeter hi Florian!
16:45:36 stpeter brb
16:47:27 bear well poo - the summit wiki page redirects to the blog page
16:47:36 bear so much for using the wiki to allow collab
16:49:01 Florian hi all
16:49:04 Florian now on Psi :)
16:49:14 Florian was surprised to see that MUC worked on the N900
16:52:32 Kev You've seen MUC working on an N900 many months ago ;)
16:55:11 Neustradamus I wish you an happy new year !
16:55:33 Neustradamus thanks stpeter for your email. But about redirections ? it is dead ?
16:55:35 stpeter bear: we can reinstate the wiki page for collab stuff and then move things to the .org page as needed
16:55:45 stpeter Neustradamus: no, just didn't have time to do that at that moment
16:56:09 bear I found the fosdem wiki page that had the devroom section
16:56:19 bear http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2011#Give_a_Devroom_Talk
16:56:28 stpeter right
16:56:47 bear the only speaker I know of for the summit itself is you and remko
16:57:03 Neustradamus stpeter: ok, it is same for mediawiki I think.
16:57:12 Kev stpeter: The action on redirections at the moment is that if someone gives me the list of redirects, it'll get done.
16:57:53 Neustradamus Kev: look my email ;)
16:58:22 Kev What's the title?
16:59:03 Neustradamus Redirections do not exist...
16:59:23 Kev I've not seen any mails yet telling me what needs redirecting and to where.
16:59:25 Kev Ok, will search now.
17:00:08 Kev Yes, I saw that mail, but unless someone tells me what the URLs need to redirect *to*, it's not much use.
17:01:21 stpeter redirect for http://xmpp.org/software/clients.shtml is now in place
17:01:33 stpeter I'll do the rest in the background here
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17:02:34 Neustradamus ok thanks stpeter, Kev sorry the missing "to".
17:02:47 stpeter http://xmpp.org/software/servers.shtml done
17:03:36 stpeter http://xmpp.org/software/libraries.shtml done
17:03:39 bear board meeting notes: http://typewith.me/7kT3TW7Fb2
17:04:26 Florian so, who's missing?
17:04:27 Florian just Jack?
17:04:41 bear so far
17:04:42 Neustradamus stpeter: thanks
17:05:39 Will i've re-ordered the typewith.me agenda a bit so we can talk fosdem/summit before i need to go..
17:05:43 Will hope nobody minds
17:05:45 stpeter ok
17:05:47 bear np
17:05:57 Florian ok, so should we start?
17:06:01 stpeter +1
17:06:04 Will yup
17:06:41 Florian ok ... so ... FOSDEM I guess?
17:07:13 Will i note that the confirmations have been sent out to those who have got booths this year - did we get one?
17:07:24 Neustradamus stpeter: about overview.shtml I do not know...
17:07:52 stpeter Will: I just invited ralphm
17:07:56 Will ok
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17:08:55 Will i have actions on booth activity - weve had a few volunteers, more will appear closer to the time
17:09:11 Florian ok
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17:09:15 Will i also have actions on t-shirt, stickers, etc. - will get info to Board next week
17:09:40 Will I have used the discussions at the last board meeting as inspriation for a potential t-shirt design ....
17:09:44 Neustradamus stpeter: XMPP protocol informations... with a search of the link in a search engine.
17:09:46 Will http://willsheward.net/xmpp-design-1.jpg
17:09:59 stpeter http://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2010-December/001116.html says they're still working on it
17:10:11 nyco why Facebook?
17:10:14 Neustradamus Will: :D
17:10:16 Will joke
17:10:17 bear neustradamus - can you defer talk about that till after meeting
17:10:21 ralphm I wouldn't wear design-1
17:10:36 stpeter haha
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17:10:41 Will http://www.fosdem.org/2011/ - say "Stands - notifications sent"
17:10:47 ralphm xmpp doesn't love anyone :-D
17:10:49 stpeter how about the other way around? ;)
17:11:02 bear [F] <3 XMPP
17:11:38 ralphm bear: do you have inside information to confirm that?
17:11:57 bear nothing I can say in public :(
17:12:08 Will so, ralphm, have we heard anything from fosdem about the stand?
17:12:12 ralphm Will: about the stand. Now that stpeter asked, I'm unsure if we actually applied for a stand. I can't find it in my outbox anyway.
17:12:20 Will oh dear
17:13:05 Will that's going to make selling t-shirts a little challenging ;-)
17:13:13 Florian indeed
17:13:22 Kev No more challenging than last year, methinks.
17:13:28 Florian lol
17:13:31 stpeter laughts
17:13:38 Will we'll have to just pile them all onto Florian and get him to walk around all day
17:13:46 stpeter I thought that Kev didn't like the word "methinks"
17:13:49 Florian a car boot sale :p
17:14:19 Florian maybe get a white Van :p
17:14:30 bear do we have any options to getting a stand or are we going to be begging for space on someone else's ?
17:14:40 ralphm in ernst, I don't think the fosdem crew would like that
17:15:00 ralphm bear: I would give the latter some chance
17:15:20 bear who needs to do the reaching out for that?
17:15:32 Will ok, so lets wait and see who does have a stand and then approach anyone we think might be generous?
17:16:00 bear +1
17:16:09 Florian but we do have a DevRoom, right?
17:16:13 Will yes
17:16:19 Florian and that's Saturday afternoon again?
17:16:20 stpeter I bet the Jitsi guys will let us use some of their space
17:16:25 stpeter yes we do have a devroom
17:16:37 ralphm to be honest, IMO the devroom does more for us than the stand
17:16:45 stpeter agreed
17:16:48 Florian true
17:16:53 Will agreed but the stand is fun
17:16:58 Florian just makes it harder to scam 20 phones :)
17:17:17 bear next item?
17:17:20 Florian Hotel?
17:17:38 Florian Best Western Last year: -> Free Executive Upgrade on rooms (price 436€) --> 109€ / night I sent an E-mail, asking them for a similar offer.
17:17:46 Florian Royal Windsor Hotel Grand Place 99 Euros per night per room 30€ / person / day American buffet breakfast Free Internet
17:18:06 stpeter I just pinged the fosdem@ list about a list of assigned stands
17:18:19 Will stpeter: thanks
17:18:26 Florian Le Meridien 178 € double rooms, breakfast included
17:18:32 Florian Novotel Brussels Off Grand Place Full. Looking for alternate offers from Accor.
17:18:37 Florian Hotel Le Dixseptième 230€ / night
17:18:51 Florian those are the offers so far
17:19:20 Florian all Hotels are around the Grand Place
17:19:26 Will do we (xsf members) have experience of staying at any of above?
17:19:27 Florian so in the centre and close to the station
17:19:32 Will any recommendations?
17:19:36 Florian last year's Hotel
17:19:39 Florian the Best Western
17:19:56 Florian and Meridien: Fritzy
17:20:04 Will does the best western price include breakfast?
17:20:07 stpeter last year's was fine
17:20:11 Florian it did last year
17:20:13 Florian didn't it?
17:20:25 stpeter Ralph likes the Atlas, which is just down the street
17:20:29 Will did it include bacon?
17:20:31 stpeter yes, breakfast was included last year
17:20:35 Florian right
17:20:41 stpeter Will: I have never seen so much bacon
17:20:56 Will awesome
17:21:14 Florian I'll add Atlas to the list
17:21:17 Florian and get an offer from them
17:21:24 stpeter ok
17:21:47 Florian I'm looking for a price of 120€ / room incl. breakfast
17:22:09 Florian thing is ... Atlas is more expensive
17:22:19 Florian or very similar
17:22:27 Florian but I will enquire about a package deal
17:22:34 Will i'm guessing we need to make a decision quick?
17:22:38 Florian do the 120€ / room sound good?
17:22:39 stpeter yes we should
17:23:00 Florian ±10€
17:23:01 stpeter I'd be happy with the Best Western again -- no real difference from the Atlas really in my experience
17:23:02 bear people will be planning now if they haven't already
17:23:16 Florian right, I'll send another mail to the summit list
17:23:22 Florian that we'll get a hotel in the next few days
17:23:25 stpeter ok
17:23:28 bear cool
17:23:35 Will ok
17:24:10 Florian so I'll get the offers hopefully tomorrow
17:24:13 bear any other fosdem/summit items?
17:24:23 Florian Dinner
17:24:30 stpeter do we have enough devroom talks lined up?
17:24:31 Florian I'm going round eating
17:24:32 stpeter ah yes
17:24:46 Florian and I'll drop a few propositions to the list tomorrow
17:25:00 stpeter super
17:25:05 bear we have 3 speakers for dev rooms and 1 possible (someone who emailed but hasn't responded back)
17:25:26 stpeter ah we need more speakers then
17:25:34 Kev If anyone has suggestions for something I could talk about, yay. I can't think of anything I know about that's particularly interesting for a talk though :)
17:25:36 Will need to push hard on this
17:26:21 Will how about pressing last year's speakers to give lightning talks on developments with their projects in last 12 months?
17:26:31 stpeter the things I could talk about are not so interesting to the general public :)
17:26:32 Florian that's a good idea :)
17:26:35 bear if we have that list - that's a great idea
17:27:25 bear if someone points me to the list i'll contact them
17:27:34 bear i'll also crosspost another request for speakers
17:27:47 Florian http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-8/
17:28:17 stpeter http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-8/#saturday
17:28:20 stpeter heh
17:28:21 stpeter yeah
17:28:31 bear ok, i'll start reaching out to them
17:28:39 stpeter can we play "Stump the Experts" again?
17:28:44 Florian +1
17:28:47 Will +1
17:29:01 Kev Sounds good.
17:29:10 Kev That had the room packed even by usual standards.
17:29:33 stpeter it seemed fun at the time :)
17:29:54 stpeter maybe we can get Thiago to give an update about Jingle Nodes
17:30:03 stpeter etc.
17:30:11 Florian :)
17:30:46 bear I've added the Stump topic
17:30:51 stpeter k
17:31:06 stpeter I'll poke some folks on and off the lists
17:31:11 bear anything else summit/fosdem related?
17:31:25 Will not here
17:31:45 bear k, moving on then
17:32:06 bear RFCbis migration - who wants to talk about that?
17:32:16 stpeter there is Monday and the interim meeting for the XMPP WG
17:32:26 stpeter what do we mean by bis migration?
17:32:39 stpeter as in, when are the specs to be done, or when will software migrate?
17:32:44 bear not sure - it was put into the agenda by someone else
17:32:51 stpeter ok
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17:33:29 stpeter as you can see from https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis/ballot/ all the "DISCUSSes" have cleared
17:33:38 bear k, let's move on - it can be brought up again if need be
17:33:39 stpeter so 3920 is ready to move ahead, I think
17:34:52 bear anyone want to continue to glance akwardly at RFCbis or shall we move on?
17:34:56 Florian ah ... just a last note on FOSDEM: Can we get some more dinner sponsors (Collabora?)
17:35:09 Will we'll chip in some money
17:35:15 stpeter 3921bis is on the agenda for 2 weeks from now https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-3921bis/
17:36:50 bear The last item on the agenda is just a note that Fritzy and myself will be starting to reach out to client and lib devs to start getting some interop interest going
17:37:41 stpeter cool
17:37:52 Kev bear: Noting that we're not due another formal interop event for ~=6 months :)
17:37:59 stpeter follows up with Alexey about https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xmpp-address/
17:38:18 bear kev - agreed and understood - I think it will take months to reach out and engage with most of them
17:38:26 stpeter right
17:38:36 stpeter but if we do that now, we'll have more participants next time
17:38:38 bear makes note to start a wiki page about that list
17:39:19 bear ok, any other agenda items someone wants to insert?
17:39:38 bear we are approaching the 30 min mark and i'm feeling itchy to bang the gavel
17:39:44 Florian not here
17:39:50 Florian except: we need sponsors :)
17:39:54 Florian for the dinner :)
17:40:10 stpeter ok
17:40:18 stpeter I'll think about people to poke
17:40:21 Florian so far we've got 775€
17:40:22 bear what is the dollar amount for sponsoring?
17:40:36 Florian we don't have a minimum limit
17:40:43 Florian last year's dinner donations were: http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-8/#dinner
17:41:40 bear how do I send you some money then - i'll sponsor a seat at the table in my place
17:41:51 Florian eh, stpeter?
17:42:04 stpeter eh?
17:42:12 stpeter I'll poke some folks about sponsoring
17:42:15 Florian for people who aren't attending, yet willing to sponsor?
17:42:21 Florian like bear
17:42:27 stpeter oh
17:42:29 stpeter heh
17:42:35 stpeter haven't heard of that before
17:42:50 Florian maybe bank transfer to the XSF?
17:42:56 bear i'll mail stpeter a check
17:43:03 Florian or that way :)
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17:43:31 Florian just drop me a line with the amount, and I'll add you to the list :)
17:43:43 bear ok, I think we are done then for this meeting - any dissent?
17:44:06 Will none here
17:44:11 Florian none :)
17:44:17 stpeter I need to add our postal address to http://xmpp.org/participate/contact-us/
17:44:38 bear bangs the gavel and closes the meeting
17:44:43 bear thanks all for attending
17:44:45 Kev Thanks bear.
17:44:48 Kev (And all)
17:45:03 Florian thanks all :)
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17:45:16 bear next meeting Jan 19th - same time and place
17:45:24 stpeter updates the calendar this time
17:45:29 bear :)
17:45:44 bear finalizes minutes and sends to list
17:48:33 stpeter Board and Council calendars updated
17:48:44 bear thanks stpeter
17:48:50 stpeter I suppose we should add the various FOSDEM-related activities to the XSF calendar, eh?
17:49:00 bear that would be very nice
17:49:06 stpeter yeah
17:49:48 bear i'm going to push the draft blog post now reminding folks about the summit
17:49:49 stpeter I'll need to figure out the times
17:49:52 stpeter super
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17:51:22 bear if you put the items in using UTC, then the receiving calendars will adjust
17:56:00 bear odd, if you click on the "donate" button - suddenly the postal address appears on the contact-us page
17:56:11 stpeter ok
17:56:29 stpeter ok, FOSDEM events added to the XSF calendar
17:56:38 bear wynkoop street - suite 600 -- still valid?
17:56:48 stpeter yepper
17:56:54 stpeter I wouldn't have added it otherwise :)
17:57:01 bear k, i'll clear the amount with my "boss" and send you a check
17:57:06 stpeter I just added that, perhaps you're running into a caching issue
17:57:13 bear ohhh
17:57:45 bear yea, the donate button just goes back to that page
17:57:49 stpeter I like the realtime search stuff on the homepage
17:57:59 bear yea, that's very neat
17:58:47 stpeter pushes out a revised version of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check/
17:58:55 bear \o/
18:01:45 bear ok, heading out to get lunch in the time I have remaining from $dayjob lunch break ;)
18:02:06 stpeter :)
18:02:18 stpeter that's the second time in the last 24 hours that I've seen $dayjob
18:02:23 stpeter must be going around
18:02:29 stpeter hadn't seen it before
18:02:54 bear I swiped it from one of the Sun guys who swiped it from one of the IBMers - so it's a enterprise thang
18:03:11 bear well, that and oldschool perl coders I think
18:03:13 stpeter sure
18:03:23 stpeter my $dayjob at $bigco
18:03:31 bear exactly
18:03:34 stpeter :)
18:06:17 Kev I use $genericthing from time to time.
18:09:11 stpeter brb
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19:14:46 ralphm $adjective $time_of_day!
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