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Nÿco
Board meeting in 3:30: http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk
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bear
board meeting in 10?
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bear
(minutes)
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stpeter
bear: yes
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Florian
well ... 5 mins now :)
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bear
are you doing the twitter thang?
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
I can
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bear
I have one lined up - after my 4 post FAIL session last time I figured I would ask
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bear
:)
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bear
waiting on Will and for Nÿco (tho I see he was active 3,5 hrs ago
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Will
hi
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stpeter
ok
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Will
phone call, sorry
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bear
just as I pressed enter - figures
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Will
but here now
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stpeter
I'll be in another chat meeting here soon, but I can do more than one chat at the same time :)
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bear
while the agenda seems short, we will probably consume the whole meeting talking FOSDEM
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Will
yup
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Florian
prolly :)
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bear
then let's start - Nÿco can read scrollback
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stpeter
yep
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bear
any agenda bashing?
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stpeter
where did you post the agenda? :)
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Will
http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk
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stpeter
ah, naturally
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bear
I so want to change that behaviour and post to the wiki the day *before* the meeting
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Nÿco
hi
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stpeter
hi Nÿco
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bear
ok, first item - FOSDEM
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bear
florian - you here?
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Florian
I am :)
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Florian
so ... FOSDEM ...
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bear
can you give a quick update
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Florian
the summit's dev challenge: We have an N8 confirmed as prize
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Florian
from Nokia
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Nÿco
how many? ;-)
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Florian
just one prize
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Nÿco
btw, has it got an XMPP client by default?
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Florian
and demo devices are being gathered .. which seems harder this year
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Florian
the N8 doesn't afaik
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Florian
maybe the Ovi Chat one
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Florian
not sure
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Nÿco
ok
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stpeter
shall we hold an in-person board meeting in Brussels? :)
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Florian
+1
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Nÿco
ah good idea
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Florian
maybe on Friday?
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bear
just let me know what time zone so I can skype/muc in
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Will
+1
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Florian
if everyone is around?
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bear
I think i'm the only one not going
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jack
i'm here
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jack
but i'm not going :(
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Will
I'll be there afternoon on Fiday. suggest we hold board meeting in the bar ;-)
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jack
had to cancel those plans
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Will
oh dear
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Nÿco
btw, I am now sure I can't be there on Friday (customer meeting all day)
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stpeter
Nÿco: customer meetings are no fun, but customers are good :)
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Florian
:)
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Florian
right ...
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Florian
so .. Dev Challenge ...
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Nÿco
jack: what do you mean "not going"?
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Florian
I asked Nokia about the rules for the entries
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jack
I will be in the US during all the FOSDEM nad XMPP Summit days.
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Florian
nothing confirmed yet, but I was told that they'd like to see Qt apps (Nokia's SDK)
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bear
ouch - Qt can be hard to setup a dev env for if your not used to it
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Florian
well, it seems their SDK is quite nice by now
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Nÿco
can we push the use of reusable libraries?
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Nÿco
I mean XMPP libs
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Kev
bear: It's pretty easy these days, Creator is nice enough (I don't use it, but anyway...)
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stpeter
when does the dev challenge begin?
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Nÿco
thus one could write an app with a Qt frontend, and port it
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Florian
OSX now :)
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stpeter
e.g., can developers start working now?
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bear
k, it sounds like we need to announce this as soon as possible then
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Florian
yes
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Florian
that's the question
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Nÿco
we need to set the rules first, no?
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Florian
last year we kicked off the challenge on Friday
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Florian
yeah, rules are good :)
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Florian
but I was wondering, should we allow pre-FOSDEM work?
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Nÿco
the kickoff date can happen one week before FOSDEM
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Nÿco
do we announce the dev challenge on our blog?
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Florian
right
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Florian
we should
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stpeter
Nÿco: yes, one week before is good
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Nÿco
+1 for pre-FOSDEM work
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Florian
+1
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bear
I think we should allow for pre-fosdem work and progress must be in a public repo
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stpeter
of course, people reading this chatroom could start today
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Will
+1
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bear
+1
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jack
+1 from me
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Florian
ok ... so I'll get Nokia to agree to some terms
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jack
more sophisticated apps are always better
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Florian
and then we can prepare the rules
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bear
Florian - can you work up some rules text with nokia and email list?
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Florian
bear: yup, will do.
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bear
k, then we can post to summit and jdev list whent hat is ready
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Nÿco
so what should we target? Jingle stuff? PubSub plumber?
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Florian
I'd say anything XMPP
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Florian
on mobile
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Nÿco
so mobile
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Nÿco
restrict to it?
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Florian
I think that will be a requirement by Nokia, but I can try to negotiate that
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Florian
but it was a requirement last year
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bear
I'm not seeing a reason not to
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bear
easer to do with Qt I would suspect
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Nÿco
for me it's ok, from restrictions come great inventions ;-)
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stpeter
:)
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Florian
I think Mobile is cool
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Nÿco
ok
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Florian
and we'll have some devices
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Florian
and an N8 to give away
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Kev
To clarify - you mean it must be for mobile -not it must *only* be for mobile, right?
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Florian
and tbh... we ran Tigase on a mobile :p
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stpeter
so we will post a blog entry about this on January 28?
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bear
+1 to Jan28 post
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Florian
+1
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
so let's get this straightened out and work on the post next week
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Florian
sounds good.
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Florian
I'll get Nokia to agree to some terms then.
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Florian
and write up rules
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Florian
what about remote submissions?
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Florian
same as last year?
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Florian
presentation needs to be done locally
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
so if you can find someone to present it, start coding
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Florian
right
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Florian
sounds good.
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stpeter
shouldn't be too hard to find someone who can present it
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bear
yea, they need to negotiate a proxy and figure out themselves how to share an N8 ;)
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stpeter
just split the N8 in half as the prize ;-)
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Florian
:D
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Kev
I'd suggest the requirement is immediate production of source under a sensible license.
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Florian
Kev: eh?
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Kev
Last year I wasn't entirely sure that the source for all entries ever got released.
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Florian
right
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Florian
I think a public repo for that matter might be cool
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bear
I was suggesting that it be done in a public repo
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Kev
bear: Yes, I'm agreeing with your suggestion.
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stpeter
does it need to be licensed under open-source terms?
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Florian
actually ...
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Florian
maybe not
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Kev
stpeter: We required that last year. I think it's sensible to do so again.
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Florian
but we can require that it's released on the Ovi Store at some point
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bear
+1 to open-source compatible license
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Florian
-1
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Nÿco
as a standards org, we can authorize people to code proprietary (even if ithurts me to say so)
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Florian
right
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Nÿco
I would prefer opensource
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Florian
I think OS is preferred
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Florian
but not required
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Nÿco
right
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Florian
the thing is ... if people want to build a cool shareware app...
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Kev
Nÿco: Yes, I'm not at all opposed to non-OSS code for XMPP. For the XSF competition, however, I don't see any sensible way of it not being OSS and still being reasonable.
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Florian
good for them
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jack
i think ti's fine to have OS be preferred not required, as long as source available is required
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jack
you can ask nokiaif they have a preference for requiring submission be OS
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stpeter
I
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jack
certainly at FOSDEM it is going to be a little awkward for people working on proprietary things :)
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Florian
jack: last year, their stance was ... we don't care... we just want something that can show up on our devices at some point
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Nÿco
Kev: we can require "open" code? means, code is readable, but authors grant only some rights to others
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Florian
preferably through the Ovi Store
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stpeter
I'd prefer open source, but I gave up that religion some time ago
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stpeter
licensing is a bit of a rat hole
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Kev
Nÿco: I guess I'm ok with requiring a source license to the XSF, at a pinch, just for logistic's sake.
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stpeter
is commercial use OK and so on (MySQL-style licenses)
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Florian
I think so, yes
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stpeter
I'd prefer to avoid that whole debate if we can :)
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Florian
not mention licence at all?
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Nÿco
ok, it's getting too hard to sort that out, maybe we need after all OSI licenses
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bear
sounds like we don't mention it at all but only require public repo and ovi store push
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Nÿco
OSI approved licenses
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Florian
bear: sounds good.
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Nÿco
what if I do a non-Nokia/Qt (Meego/Symbian), but mobile app? (no Ovi Store)
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Florian
I'll need to check with them
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Nÿco
ok...
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Nÿco
but this is our dev chanllenge, not Nokia's
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bear
any other concerns about dev challenge before we move on to SWAG
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Kev
Nÿco: That was outside the scope of the comp. last year - it had to run on a Nokia device. It doesn't seem an unreasonable requirement, given the sponsor.
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Nÿco
we set the rules, they approve or not
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Nÿco
ok Kev
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Florian
Nÿco: if you know anyone at Apple or Blackberry to give us some prizes ... :D
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Kev
I don't see a reason not to allow other mobile apps - if Nokia don't mind, but I don't see a reason to push them on it.
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Florian
but yeah, I guess they won't move away from Nokia apps
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Nÿco
Florian: nothing to answer... ;-)
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Nÿco
ok then, resolved?
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Florian
yup
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Florian
SWAG :D
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Nÿco
public repo + Ovi Store, but no specific licenses needed?
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Florian
Nÿco: for now.
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Florian
I'll pitch them that
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Nÿco
ok
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Will
swag then
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Will
do we do t-shirts this year given we've no stand to sell them from?
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stpeter
seems problematic
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Florian
I'd say yes, but just a few
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Florian
for Summit participants
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stpeter
unless we sell them from another booth
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Will
the problem with a few is you have very small quantities of different sizes
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stpeter
e.g., the SIP Communicator guys might let us sell some
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Will
and i dont think selling from another booth is realistic,
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Florian
Will: agree
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stpeter
we could try to sell more of last year's design :P
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Will
we could do some stickers and stuff to hand out to talk attendees
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Florian
stpeter: we can do that :)
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Florian
so maybe keep last years shirts
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Florian
and just get stickers
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Will
i'll look into stickers and other stuff (it's very cheap)
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Florian
:)
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Florian
I need a new laptop ... running out of sticker space :)
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Will
also, are we recording the talks?
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Will
video?
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Florian
if someone has a camera, we can
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Florian
hmm ... maybe the Nokia guys can bring an extra N8 :)
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Nÿco
still the same issue with editing
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Will
was looking at hiring camera plus radio mic for the weekend, not expensive
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Florian
I think it's worth recording them
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Florian
we can later always decide to just use the audio
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Will
ok
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bear
recording +1
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Florian
but let's get a video camera anyway
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Will
+1, i'll report back on costs
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Will
to the list
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Florian
great
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stpeter
thanks, Will
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bear
hotel package - is that done and advertised?
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Florian
yup
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bear
cool
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Florian
4 rooms left
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bear
and dinner plans?
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stpeter
I got booked into another hotel
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stpeter
before we decided on one
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stpeter
so I guess it would be the Best Western :)
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stpeter
guessed
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stpeter
FWIW :)
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Florian
:)
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Florian
dinner: sorted
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bear
k
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Florian
we just need to sort the transport
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stpeter
ah
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
I need to call the transport company
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stpeter
will do that first thing tomorrow morning
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stpeter
Florian: do you know if I can just fax them the info?
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Florian
cool
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Will
got a phone call in 5 mins, might have to leave soon
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Will
fyi
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Florian
stpeter: not sure
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stpeter
Florian: could you please check?
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Florian
will do
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stpeter
thanks
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bear
unless someone wants to bike shed more - I think we are done after this item
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stpeter
probably
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Florian
nothing more on my end
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stpeter
as you saw, I got a room for 50 people
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stpeter
for Fri and Mon
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Florian
Monday is full
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stpeter
yep
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Florian
a few places left on Friday
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Florian
and some at the dinner
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stpeter
I hope we can squeeze a few more people in if needed
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Florian
yeah
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bear
florian - can you email me those stats - I want to work up a summit status blog post
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Florian
all on the summit page :)
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stpeter
bear: they are on the page
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bear
I think the fact that we are full capacity so soon is news worthy
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Florian
:)
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bear
oh right!
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-10/
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bear
ok, we are 2 minutes away from when my "meetings suck, rant rant rant" persona starts to appear
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bear
anything else to discuss?
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stpeter
I think we're done
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Florian
yup
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bear
+1 to close
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stpeter
I might have some finance updates before long
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Florian
ah
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Florian
one quick thing
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Florian
invoices for sponsors
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Florian
dinner sponsors ...
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stpeter
we've got more money coming in with Voxeo, GSOC funds, etc.
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stpeter
ah yes
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stpeter
I sent invoices to Collabora but not the others
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bear
drat - I need to send you a check
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Florian
right ... Isode would need one
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Florian
great :)
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Florian
then that's it
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bear
who is the person with the xmpp sponsor - the new one?
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stpeter
?
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bear
this is not a meeting item - just a question
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stpeter
I didn't parse the question
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bear
Voxeo or something - didn't we get them as a new sponsor
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stpeter
yes
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stpeter
we need to create a page about them
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Florian
yup
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bear
so wondering who has contact info to reach out for their blurb page
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stpeter
and, I think, we need to remove out of date sponsors from the website
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Florian
I can chase them for some text
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stpeter
but we can discuss that on the list
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bear
yea, I sent email earlier but got crickets back
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bear
ok, thanks all for attending
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Nÿco
thx all
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Will
bye
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Florian
bye
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stpeter
thanks, bear!
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Nÿco
Next meeting: 2010-02-02, same place, same time
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Nÿco
with TypeWithMe in the background ;-)
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stpeter
:)
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