NÿcoBoard meeting in 3:30: http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk
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bearboard meeting in 10?
bear(minutes)
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stpeterbear: yes
Florianwell ... 5 mins now :)
bearare you doing the twitter thang?
stpeteryeah
stpeterI can
bearI have one lined up - after my 4 post FAIL session last time I figured I would ask
bear:)
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bearwaiting on Will and for Nÿco (tho I see he was active 3,5 hrs ago
Willhi
stpeterok
Willphone call, sorry
bearjust as I pressed enter - figures
Willbut here now
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stpeterI'll be in another chat meeting here soon, but I can do more than one chat at the same time :)
bearwhile the agenda seems short, we will probably consume the whole meeting talking FOSDEM
Willyup
Florianprolly :)
bearthen let's start - Nÿco can read scrollback
stpeteryep
bearbangs the gavel to start the meeting
bearany agenda bashing?
stpeterwhere did you post the agenda? :)
Willhttp://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk
stpeterah, naturally
bearI so want to change that behaviour and post to the wiki the day *before* the meeting
Nÿcohi
Nÿcosorry, was on the phone
stpeterhi Nÿco
bearok, first item - FOSDEM
bearflorian - you here?
FlorianI am :)
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Florianso ... FOSDEM ...
bearcan you give a quick update
Florianthe summit's dev challenge: We have an N8 confirmed as prize
Florianfrom Nokia
Nÿcohow many? ;-)
Florianjust one prize
Nÿcobtw, has it got an XMPP client by default?
Florianand demo devices are being gathered .. which seems harder this year
Florianthe N8 doesn't afaik
Florianmaybe the Ovi Chat one
Floriannot sure
Nÿcook
stpetershall we hold an in-person board meeting in Brussels? :)
Florian+1
Nÿcoah good idea
Florianmaybe on Friday?
bearjust let me know what time zone so I can skype/muc in
Will+1
Florianif everyone is around?
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bearI think i'm the only one not going
jacki'm here
jackbut i'm not going :(
WillI'll be there afternoon on Fiday. suggest we hold board meeting in the bar ;-)
jackhad to cancel those plans
Willoh dear
Nÿcobtw, I am now sure I can't be there on Friday (customer meeting all day)
stpeterNÿco: customer meetings are no fun, but customers are good :)
Florian:)
bearcoughs and points politely to FOSDEM update agenda item
Florianright ...
Florianso .. Dev Challenge ...
Nÿcojack: what do you mean "not going"?
FlorianI asked Nokia about the rules for the entries
jackI will be in the US during all the FOSDEM nad XMPP Summit days.
Floriannothing confirmed yet, but I was told that they'd like to see Qt apps (Nokia's SDK)
bearouch - Qt can be hard to setup a dev env for if your not used to it
Florianwell, it seems their SDK is quite nice by now
Nÿcocan we push the use of reusable libraries?
NÿcoI mean XMPP libs
Kevbear: It's pretty easy these days, Creator is nice enough (I don't use it, but anyway...)
bearmutters: on linux maybe ... ;)
stpeterwhen does the dev challenge begin?
Nÿcothus one could write an app with a Qt frontend, and port it
FlorianOSX now :)
stpetere.g., can developers start working now?
beark, it sounds like we need to announce this as soon as possible then
Florianyes
Florianthat's the question
Nÿcowe need to set the rules first, no?
Florianlast year we kicked off the challenge on Friday
Florianyeah, rules are good :)
Florianbut I was wondering, should we allow pre-FOSDEM work?
Nÿcothe kickoff date can happen one week before FOSDEM
Nÿcodo we announce the dev challenge on our blog?
Florianright
Florianwe should
stpeterNÿco: yes, one week before is good
Nÿco+1 for pre-FOSDEM work
Florian+1
bearI think we should allow for pre-fosdem work and progress must be in a public repo
stpeterof course, people reading this chatroom could start today
Will+1
bear+1
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jack+1 from me
Florianok ... so I'll get Nokia to agree to some terms
jackmore sophisticated apps are always better
Florianand then we can prepare the rules
bearFlorian - can you work up some rules text with nokia and email list?
Florianbear: yup, will do.
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beark, then we can post to summit and jdev list whent hat is ready
Nÿcoso what should we target? Jingle stuff? PubSub plumber?
FlorianI'd say anything XMPP
Florianon mobile
Nÿcoso mobile
Nÿcorestrict to it?
FlorianI think that will be a requirement by Nokia, but I can try to negotiate that
Florianbut it was a requirement last year
bearI'm not seeing a reason not to
beareaser to do with Qt I would suspect
Nÿcofor me it's ok, from restrictions come great inventions ;-)
stpeter:)
FlorianI think Mobile is cool
Nÿcook
Florianand we'll have some devices
Florianand an N8 to give away
KevTo clarify - you mean it must be for mobile -not it must *only* be for mobile, right?
Florianand tbh... we ran Tigase on a mobile :p
stpeterso we will post a blog entry about this on January 28?
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bear+1 to Jan28 post
Florian+1
stpeterok
bearmarks calendar
stpeterso let's get this straightened out and work on the post next week
Floriansounds good.
FlorianI'll get Nokia to agree to some terms then.
Florianand write up rules
Florianwhat about remote submissions?
Floriansame as last year?
Florianpresentation needs to be done locally
stpeterright
stpeterso if you can find someone to present it, start coding
Florianright
Floriansounds good.
stpetershouldn't be too hard to find someone who can present it
bearyea, they need to negotiate a proxy and figure out themselves how to share an N8 ;)
stpeterjust split the N8 in half as the prize ;-)
Florian:D
KevI'd suggest the requirement is immediate production of source under a sensible license.
FlorianKev: eh?
KevLast year I wasn't entirely sure that the source for all entries ever got released.
stpeternods
Florianright
FlorianI think a public repo for that matter might be cool
bearI was suggesting that it be done in a public repo
Kevbear: Yes, I'm agreeing with your suggestion.
stpeterdoes it need to be licensed under open-source terms?
bearstops multitasking
Florianactually ...
Florianmaybe not
Kevstpeter: We required that last year. I think it's sensible to do so again.
Florianbut we can require that it's released on the Ovi Store at some point
bear+1 to open-source compatible license
Florian-1
stpeterupdates http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk
Nÿcoas a standards org, we can authorize people to code proprietary (even if ithurts me to say so)
Florianright
NÿcoI would prefer opensource
FlorianI think OS is preferred
Florianbut not required
Nÿcoright
Florianthe thing is ... if people want to build a cool shareware app...
KevNÿco: Yes, I'm not at all opposed to non-OSS code for XMPP. For the XSF competition, however, I don't see any sensible way of it not being OSS and still being reasonable.
Floriangood for them
jacki think ti's fine to have OS be preferred not required, as long as source available is required
jackyou can ask nokiaif they have a preference for requiring submission be OS
bearconcedes his aggressively open source stance
stpeterI
jackcertainly at FOSDEM it is going to be a little awkward for people working on proprietary things :)
Florianjack: last year, their stance was ... we don't care... we just want something that can show up on our devices at some point
NÿcoKev: we can require "open" code? means, code is readable, but authors grant only some rights to others
Florianpreferably through the Ovi Store
stpeterI'd prefer open source, but I gave up that religion some time ago
stpeterlicensing is a bit of a rat hole
KevNÿco: I guess I'm ok with requiring a source license to the XSF, at a pinch, just for logistic's sake.
stpeteris commercial use OK and so on (MySQL-style licenses)
FlorianI think so, yes
stpeterI'd prefer to avoid that whole debate if we can :)
Floriannot mention licence at all?
Nÿcook, it's getting too hard to sort that out, maybe we need after all OSI licenses
bearsounds like we don't mention it at all but only require public repo and ovi store push
NÿcoOSI approved licenses
Florianbear: sounds good.
Nÿcowhat if I do a non-Nokia/Qt (Meego/Symbian), but mobile app? (no Ovi Store)
FlorianI'll need to check with them
Nÿcook...
Nÿcobut this is our dev chanllenge, not Nokia's
bearany other concerns about dev challenge before we move on to SWAG
KevNÿco: That was outside the scope of the comp. last year - it had to run on a Nokia device. It doesn't seem an unreasonable requirement, given the sponsor.
Nÿcowe set the rules, they approve or not
Nÿcook Kev
FlorianNÿco: if you know anyone at Apple or Blackberry to give us some prizes ... :D
KevI don't see a reason not to allow other mobile apps - if Nokia don't mind, but I don't see a reason to push them on it.
Florianbut yeah, I guess they won't move away from Nokia apps
NÿcoFlorian: nothing to answer... ;-)
Nÿcook then, resolved?
Florianyup
FlorianSWAG :D
Nÿcopublic repo + Ovi Store, but no specific licenses needed?
FlorianNÿco: for now.
FlorianI'll pitch them that
Nÿcook
Willswag then
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Willdo we do t-shirts this year given we've no stand to sell them from?
stpeterseems problematic
FlorianI'd say yes, but just a few
Florianfor Summit participants
stpeterunless we sell them from another booth
Willthe problem with a few is you have very small quantities of different sizes
stpetere.g., the SIP Communicator guys might let us sell some
Willand i dont think selling from another booth is realistic,
FlorianWill: agree
stpeterwe could try to sell more of last year's design :P
Willwe could do some stickers and stuff to hand out to talk attendees
Florianstpeter: we can do that :)
Florianso maybe keep last years shirts
Florianand just get stickers
Willi'll look into stickers and other stuff (it's very cheap)
Florian:)
FlorianI need a new laptop ... running out of sticker space :)
Willalso, are we recording the talks?
Willvideo?
Florianif someone has a camera, we can
Florianhmm ... maybe the Nokia guys can bring an extra N8 :)
Nÿcostill the same issue with editing
Willwas looking at hiring camera plus radio mic for the weekend, not expensive
FlorianI think it's worth recording them
Florianwe can later always decide to just use the audio
Willok
bearrecording +1
Florianbut let's get a video camera anyway
Will+1, i'll report back on costs
Willto the list
Floriangreat
stpeterthanks, Will
bearhotel package - is that done and advertised?
Florianyup
bearcool
Florian4 rooms left
bearand dinner plans?
stpeterI got booked into another hotel
stpeterbefore we decided on one
stpeterso I guess it would be the Best Western :)
stpeterguessed
stpeterFWIW :)
Florian:)
Floriandinner: sorted
beark
Florianwe just need to sort the transport
stpeterah
stpeteryeah
stpeterI need to call the transport company
stpeterwill do that first thing tomorrow morning
stpeterFlorian: do you know if I can just fax them the info?
Floriancool
Willgot a phone call in 5 mins, might have to leave soon
Willfyi
Florianstpeter: not sure
stpeterFlorian: could you please check?
Florianwill do
stpeterthanks
bearunless someone wants to bike shed more - I think we are done after this item
stpeterprobably
Floriannothing more on my end
stpeteras you saw, I got a room for 50 people
stpeterfor Fri and Mon
FlorianMonday is full
stpeteryep
Floriana few places left on Friday
Florianand some at the dinner
stpeterI hope we can squeeze a few more people in if needed
Florianyeah
bearflorian - can you email me those stats - I want to work up a summit status blog post
Florianall on the summit page :)
stpeterbear: they are on the page
bearI think the fact that we are full capacity so soon is news worthy