XSF Discussion - 2011-01-19

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  15. Nÿco

    Board meeting in 3:30: http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk

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  20. bear

    board meeting in 10?

  21. bear


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  24. stpeter

    bear: yes

  25. Florian

    well ... 5 mins now :)

  26. bear

    are you doing the twitter thang?

  27. stpeter


  28. stpeter

    I can

  29. bear

    I have one lined up - after my 4 post FAIL session last time I figured I would ask

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  32. bear

    waiting on Will and for Nÿco (tho I see he was active 3,5 hrs ago

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  35. Will

    phone call, sorry

  36. bear

    just as I pressed enter - figures

  37. Will

    but here now

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  40. stpeter

    I'll be in another chat meeting here soon, but I can do more than one chat at the same time :)

  41. bear

    while the agenda seems short, we will probably consume the whole meeting talking FOSDEM

  42. Will


  43. Florian

    prolly :)

  44. bear

    then let's start - Nÿco can read scrollback

  45. stpeter


  46. bear bangs the gavel to start the meeting

  47. bear

    any agenda bashing?

  48. stpeter

    where did you post the agenda? :)

  49. Will


  50. stpeter

    ah, naturally

  51. bear

    I so want to change that behaviour and post to the wiki the day *before* the meeting

  52. Nÿco


  53. Nÿco sorry, was on the phone

  54. stpeter

    hi Nÿco

  55. bear

    ok, first item - FOSDEM

  56. bear

    florian - you here?

  57. Florian

    I am :)

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  59. Florian

    so ... FOSDEM ...

  60. bear

    can you give a quick update

  61. Florian

    the summit's dev challenge: We have an N8 confirmed as prize

  62. Florian

    from Nokia

  63. Nÿco

    how many? ;-)

  64. Florian

    just one prize

  65. Nÿco

    btw, has it got an XMPP client by default?

  66. Florian

    and demo devices are being gathered .. which seems harder this year

  67. Florian

    the N8 doesn't afaik

  68. Florian

    maybe the Ovi Chat one

  69. Florian

    not sure

  70. Nÿco


  71. stpeter

    shall we hold an in-person board meeting in Brussels? :)

  72. Florian


  73. Nÿco

    ah good idea

  74. Florian

    maybe on Friday?

  75. bear

    just let me know what time zone so I can skype/muc in

  76. Will


  77. Florian

    if everyone is around?

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  79. bear

    I think i'm the only one not going

  80. jack

    i'm here

  81. jack

    but i'm not going :(

  82. Will

    I'll be there afternoon on Fiday. suggest we hold board meeting in the bar ;-)

  83. jack

    had to cancel those plans

  84. Will

    oh dear

  85. Nÿco

    btw, I am now sure I can't be there on Friday (customer meeting all day)

  86. stpeter

    Nÿco: customer meetings are no fun, but customers are good :)

  87. Florian


  88. bear coughs and points politely to FOSDEM update agenda item

  89. Florian

    right ...

  90. Florian

    so .. Dev Challenge ...

  91. Nÿco

    jack: what do you mean "not going"?

  92. Florian

    I asked Nokia about the rules for the entries

  93. jack

    I will be in the US during all the FOSDEM nad XMPP Summit days.

  94. Florian

    nothing confirmed yet, but I was told that they'd like to see Qt apps (Nokia's SDK)

  95. bear

    ouch - Qt can be hard to setup a dev env for if your not used to it

  96. Florian

    well, it seems their SDK is quite nice by now

  97. Nÿco

    can we push the use of reusable libraries?

  98. Nÿco

    I mean XMPP libs

  99. Kev

    bear: It's pretty easy these days, Creator is nice enough (I don't use it, but anyway...)

  100. bear mutters: on linux maybe ... ;)

  101. stpeter

    when does the dev challenge begin?

  102. Nÿco

    thus one could write an app with a Qt frontend, and port it

  103. Florian

    OSX now :)

  104. stpeter

    e.g., can developers start working now?

  105. bear

    k, it sounds like we need to announce this as soon as possible then

  106. Florian


  107. Florian

    that's the question

  108. Nÿco

    we need to set the rules first, no?

  109. Florian

    last year we kicked off the challenge on Friday

  110. Florian

    yeah, rules are good :)

  111. Florian

    but I was wondering, should we allow pre-FOSDEM work?

  112. Nÿco

    the kickoff date can happen one week before FOSDEM

  113. Nÿco

    do we announce the dev challenge on our blog?

  114. Florian


  115. Florian

    we should

  116. stpeter

    Nÿco: yes, one week before is good

  117. Nÿco

    +1 for pre-FOSDEM work

  118. Florian


  119. bear

    I think we should allow for pre-fosdem work and progress must be in a public repo

  120. stpeter

    of course, people reading this chatroom could start today

  121. Will


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  124. jack

    +1 from me

  125. Florian

    ok ... so I'll get Nokia to agree to some terms

  126. jack

    more sophisticated apps are always better

  127. Florian

    and then we can prepare the rules

  128. bear

    Florian - can you work up some rules text with nokia and email list?

  129. Florian

    bear: yup, will do.

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  131. bear

    k, then we can post to summit and jdev list whent hat is ready

  132. Nÿco

    so what should we target? Jingle stuff? PubSub plumber?

  133. Florian

    I'd say anything XMPP

  134. Florian

    on mobile

  135. Nÿco

    so mobile

  136. Nÿco

    restrict to it?

  137. Florian

    I think that will be a requirement by Nokia, but I can try to negotiate that

  138. Florian

    but it was a requirement last year

  139. bear

    I'm not seeing a reason not to

  140. bear

    easer to do with Qt I would suspect

  141. Nÿco

    for me it's ok, from restrictions come great inventions ;-)

  142. stpeter


  143. Florian

    I think Mobile is cool

  144. Nÿco


  145. Florian

    and we'll have some devices

  146. Florian

    and an N8 to give away

  147. Kev

    To clarify - you mean it must be for mobile -not it must *only* be for mobile, right?

  148. Florian

    and tbh... we ran Tigase on a mobile :p

  149. stpeter

    so we will post a blog entry about this on January 28?

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  151. bear

    +1 to Jan28 post

  152. Florian


  153. stpeter


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  155. stpeter

    so let's get this straightened out and work on the post next week

  156. Florian

    sounds good.

  157. Florian

    I'll get Nokia to agree to some terms then.

  158. Florian

    and write up rules

  159. Florian

    what about remote submissions?

  160. Florian

    same as last year?

  161. Florian

    presentation needs to be done locally

  162. stpeter


  163. stpeter

    so if you can find someone to present it, start coding

  164. Florian


  165. Florian

    sounds good.

  166. stpeter

    shouldn't be too hard to find someone who can present it

  167. bear

    yea, they need to negotiate a proxy and figure out themselves how to share an N8 ;)

  168. stpeter

    just split the N8 in half as the prize ;-)

  169. Florian


  170. Kev

    I'd suggest the requirement is immediate production of source under a sensible license.

  171. Florian

    Kev: eh?

  172. Kev

    Last year I wasn't entirely sure that the source for all entries ever got released.

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  174. Florian


  175. Florian

    I think a public repo for that matter might be cool

  176. bear

    I was suggesting that it be done in a public repo

  177. Kev

    bear: Yes, I'm agreeing with your suggestion.

  178. stpeter

    does it need to be licensed under open-source terms?

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  180. Florian

    actually ...

  181. Florian

    maybe not

  182. Kev

    stpeter: We required that last year. I think it's sensible to do so again.

  183. Florian

    but we can require that it's released on the Ovi Store at some point

  184. bear

    +1 to open-source compatible license

  185. Florian


  186. stpeter updates http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk

  187. Nÿco

    as a standards org, we can authorize people to code proprietary (even if ithurts me to say so)

  188. Florian


  189. Nÿco

    I would prefer opensource

  190. Florian

    I think OS is preferred

  191. Florian

    but not required

  192. Nÿco


  193. Florian

    the thing is ... if people want to build a cool shareware app...

  194. Kev

    Nÿco: Yes, I'm not at all opposed to non-OSS code for XMPP. For the XSF competition, however, I don't see any sensible way of it not being OSS and still being reasonable.

  195. Florian

    good for them

  196. jack

    i think ti's fine to have OS be preferred not required, as long as source available is required

  197. jack

    you can ask nokiaif they have a preference for requiring submission be OS

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  199. stpeter


  200. jack

    certainly at FOSDEM it is going to be a little awkward for people working on proprietary things :)

  201. Florian

    jack: last year, their stance was ... we don't care... we just want something that can show up on our devices at some point

  202. Nÿco

    Kev: we can require "open" code? means, code is readable, but authors grant only some rights to others

  203. Florian

    preferably through the Ovi Store

  204. stpeter

    I'd prefer open source, but I gave up that religion some time ago

  205. stpeter

    licensing is a bit of a rat hole

  206. Kev

    Nÿco: I guess I'm ok with requiring a source license to the XSF, at a pinch, just for logistic's sake.

  207. stpeter

    is commercial use OK and so on (MySQL-style licenses)

  208. Florian

    I think so, yes

  209. stpeter

    I'd prefer to avoid that whole debate if we can :)

  210. Florian

    not mention licence at all?

  211. Nÿco

    ok, it's getting too hard to sort that out, maybe we need after all OSI licenses

  212. bear

    sounds like we don't mention it at all but only require public repo and ovi store push

  213. Nÿco

    OSI approved licenses

  214. Florian

    bear: sounds good.

  215. Nÿco

    what if I do a non-Nokia/Qt (Meego/Symbian), but mobile app? (no Ovi Store)

  216. Florian

    I'll need to check with them

  217. Nÿco


  218. Nÿco

    but this is our dev chanllenge, not Nokia's

  219. bear

    any other concerns about dev challenge before we move on to SWAG

  220. Kev

    Nÿco: That was outside the scope of the comp. last year - it had to run on a Nokia device. It doesn't seem an unreasonable requirement, given the sponsor.

  221. Nÿco

    we set the rules, they approve or not

  222. Nÿco

    ok Kev

  223. Florian

    Nÿco: if you know anyone at Apple or Blackberry to give us some prizes ... :D

  224. Kev

    I don't see a reason not to allow other mobile apps - if Nokia don't mind, but I don't see a reason to push them on it.

  225. Florian

    but yeah, I guess they won't move away from Nokia apps

  226. Nÿco

    Florian: nothing to answer... ;-)

  227. Nÿco

    ok then, resolved?

  228. Florian


  229. Florian

    SWAG :D

  230. Nÿco

    public repo + Ovi Store, but no specific licenses needed?

  231. Florian

    Nÿco: for now.

  232. Florian

    I'll pitch them that

  233. Nÿco


  234. Will

    swag then

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  236. Will

    do we do t-shirts this year given we've no stand to sell them from?

  237. stpeter

    seems problematic

  238. Florian

    I'd say yes, but just a few

  239. Florian

    for Summit participants

  240. stpeter

    unless we sell them from another booth

  241. Will

    the problem with a few is you have very small quantities of different sizes

  242. stpeter

    e.g., the SIP Communicator guys might let us sell some

  243. Will

    and i dont think selling from another booth is realistic,

  244. Florian

    Will: agree

  245. stpeter

    we could try to sell more of last year's design :P

  246. Will

    we could do some stickers and stuff to hand out to talk attendees

  247. Florian

    stpeter: we can do that :)

  248. Florian

    so maybe keep last years shirts

  249. Florian

    and just get stickers

  250. Will

    i'll look into stickers and other stuff (it's very cheap)

  251. Florian


  252. Florian

    I need a new laptop ... running out of sticker space :)

  253. Will

    also, are we recording the talks?

  254. Will


  255. Florian

    if someone has a camera, we can

  256. Florian

    hmm ... maybe the Nokia guys can bring an extra N8 :)

  257. Nÿco

    still the same issue with editing

  258. Will

    was looking at hiring camera plus radio mic for the weekend, not expensive

  259. Florian

    I think it's worth recording them

  260. Florian

    we can later always decide to just use the audio

  261. Will


  262. bear

    recording +1

  263. Florian

    but let's get a video camera anyway

  264. Will

    +1, i'll report back on costs

  265. Will

    to the list

  266. Florian


  267. stpeter

    thanks, Will

  268. bear

    hotel package - is that done and advertised?

  269. Florian


  270. bear


  271. Florian

    4 rooms left

  272. bear

    and dinner plans?

  273. stpeter

    I got booked into another hotel

  274. stpeter

    before we decided on one

  275. stpeter

    so I guess it would be the Best Western :)

  276. stpeter


  277. stpeter

    FWIW :)

  278. Florian


  279. Florian

    dinner: sorted

  280. bear


  281. Florian

    we just need to sort the transport

  282. stpeter


  283. stpeter


  284. stpeter

    I need to call the transport company

  285. stpeter

    will do that first thing tomorrow morning

  286. stpeter

    Florian: do you know if I can just fax them the info?

  287. Florian


  288. Will

    got a phone call in 5 mins, might have to leave soon

  289. Will


  290. Florian

    stpeter: not sure

  291. stpeter

    Florian: could you please check?

  292. Florian

    will do

  293. stpeter


  294. bear

    unless someone wants to bike shed more - I think we are done after this item

  295. stpeter


  296. Florian

    nothing more on my end

  297. stpeter

    as you saw, I got a room for 50 people

  298. stpeter

    for Fri and Mon

  299. Florian

    Monday is full

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  301. Florian

    a few places left on Friday

  302. Florian

    and some at the dinner

  303. stpeter

    I hope we can squeeze a few more people in if needed

  304. Florian


  305. bear

    florian - can you email me those stats - I want to work up a summit status blog post

  306. Florian

    all on the summit page :)

  307. stpeter

    bear: they are on the page

  308. bear

    I think the fact that we are full capacity so soon is news worthy

  309. Florian


  310. bear

    oh right!

  311. stpeter


  312. bear

    ok, we are 2 minutes away from when my "meetings suck, rant rant rant" persona starts to appear

  313. bear

    anything else to discuss?

  314. stpeter

    I think we're done

  315. Florian


  316. bear

    +1 to close

  317. stpeter

    I might have some finance updates before long

  318. Florian


  319. Florian

    one quick thing

  320. Florian

    invoices for sponsors

  321. Florian

    dinner sponsors ...

  322. stpeter

    we've got more money coming in with Voxeo, GSOC funds, etc.

  323. stpeter

    ah yes

  324. stpeter

    I sent invoices to Collabora but not the others

  325. bear

    drat - I need to send you a check

  326. Florian

    right ... Isode would need one

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  328. Florian

    great :)

  329. Florian

    then that's it

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  331. bear

    who is the person with the xmpp sponsor - the new one?

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  336. bear

    this is not a meeting item - just a question

  337. stpeter

    I didn't parse the question

  338. bear

    Voxeo or something - didn't we get them as a new sponsor

  339. stpeter


  340. stpeter

    we need to create a page about them

  341. Florian


  342. bear

    so wondering who has contact info to reach out for their blurb page

  343. stpeter

    and, I think, we need to remove out of date sponsors from the website

  344. Florian

    I can chase them for some text

  345. stpeter

    but we can discuss that on the list

  346. bear

    yea, I sent email earlier but got crickets back

  347. bear

    ok, thanks all for attending

  348. Nÿco

    thx all

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  356. stpeter

    thanks, bear!

  357. Nÿco

    Next meeting: 2010-02-02, same place, same time

  358. Nÿco

    with TypeWithMe in the background ;-)

  359. stpeter


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