XSF Discussion - 2011-01-19

Board meeting in 3:30: http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk

board meeting in 10?

(minutes)

bear: yes

well ... 5 mins now :)

are you doing the twitter thang?

yeah

I can

I have one lined up - after my 4 post FAIL session last time I figured I would ask

:)

waiting on Will and for Nÿco (tho I see he was active 3,5 hrs ago

hi

ok

phone call, sorry

just as I pressed enter - figures

but here now

I'll be in another chat meeting here soon, but I can do more than one chat at the same time :)

while the agenda seems short, we will probably consume the whole meeting talking FOSDEM

yup

prolly :)

then let's start - Nÿco can read scrollback

yep

any agenda bashing?

where did you post the agenda? :)

http://typewith.me/iwX1hcKPyk

ah, naturally

I so want to change that behaviour and post to the wiki the day *before* the meeting

hi

hi Nÿco

ok, first item - FOSDEM

florian - you here?

I am :)

so ... FOSDEM ...

can you give a quick update

the summit's dev challenge: We have an N8 confirmed as prize

from Nokia

how many? ;-)

just one prize

btw, has it got an XMPP client by default?

and demo devices are being gathered .. which seems harder this year

the N8 doesn't afaik

maybe the Ovi Chat one

not sure

ok

shall we hold an in-person board meeting in Brussels? :)

+1

ah good idea

maybe on Friday?

just let me know what time zone so I can skype/muc in

+1

if everyone is around?

I think i'm the only one not going

i'm here

but i'm not going :(

I'll be there afternoon on Fiday. suggest we hold board meeting in the bar ;-)

had to cancel those plans

oh dear

btw, I am now sure I can't be there on Friday (customer meeting all day)

Nÿco: customer meetings are no fun, but customers are good :)

:)

right ...

so .. Dev Challenge ...

jack: what do you mean "not going"?

I asked Nokia about the rules for the entries

I will be in the US during all the FOSDEM nad XMPP Summit days.

nothing confirmed yet, but I was told that they'd like to see Qt apps (Nokia's SDK)

ouch - Qt can be hard to setup a dev env for if your not used to it

well, it seems their SDK is quite nice by now

can we push the use of reusable libraries?

I mean XMPP libs

bear: It's pretty easy these days, Creator is nice enough (I don't use it, but anyway...)

when does the dev challenge begin?

thus one could write an app with a Qt frontend, and port it

OSX now :)

e.g., can developers start working now?

k, it sounds like we need to announce this as soon as possible then

yes

that's the question

we need to set the rules first, no?

last year we kicked off the challenge on Friday

yeah, rules are good :)

but I was wondering, should we allow pre-FOSDEM work?

the kickoff date can happen one week before FOSDEM

do we announce the dev challenge on our blog?

right

we should

Nÿco: yes, one week before is good

+1 for pre-FOSDEM work

+1

I think we should allow for pre-fosdem work and progress must be in a public repo

of course, people reading this chatroom could start today

+1

+1

+1 from me

ok ... so I'll get Nokia to agree to some terms

more sophisticated apps are always better

and then we can prepare the rules

Florian - can you work up some rules text with nokia and email list?

bear: yup, will do.

k, then we can post to summit and jdev list whent hat is ready

so what should we target? Jingle stuff? PubSub plumber?

I'd say anything XMPP

on mobile

so mobile

restrict to it?

I think that will be a requirement by Nokia, but I can try to negotiate that

but it was a requirement last year

I'm not seeing a reason not to

easer to do with Qt I would suspect

for me it's ok, from restrictions come great inventions ;-)

:)

I think Mobile is cool

ok

and we'll have some devices

and an N8 to give away

To clarify - you mean it must be for mobile -not it must *only* be for mobile, right?

and tbh... we ran Tigase on a mobile :p

so we will post a blog entry about this on January 28?

+1 to Jan28 post

+1

ok

so let's get this straightened out and work on the post next week

sounds good.

I'll get Nokia to agree to some terms then.

and write up rules

what about remote submissions?

same as last year?

presentation needs to be done locally

right

so if you can find someone to present it, start coding

right

sounds good.

shouldn't be too hard to find someone who can present it

yea, they need to negotiate a proxy and figure out themselves how to share an N8 ;)

just split the N8 in half as the prize ;-)

:D

I'd suggest the requirement is immediate production of source under a sensible license.

Kev: eh?

Last year I wasn't entirely sure that the source for all entries ever got released.

right

I think a public repo for that matter might be cool

I was suggesting that it be done in a public repo

bear: Yes, I'm agreeing with your suggestion.

does it need to be licensed under open-source terms?

actually ...

maybe not

stpeter: We required that last year. I think it's sensible to do so again.

but we can require that it's released on the Ovi Store at some point

+1 to open-source compatible license

-1

as a standards org, we can authorize people to code proprietary (even if ithurts me to say so)

right

I would prefer opensource

I think OS is preferred

but not required

right

the thing is ... if people want to build a cool shareware app...

Nÿco: Yes, I'm not at all opposed to non-OSS code for XMPP. For the XSF competition, however, I don't see any sensible way of it not being OSS and still being reasonable.

good for them

i think ti's fine to have OS be preferred not required, as long as source available is required

you can ask nokiaif they have a preference for requiring submission be OS

I

certainly at FOSDEM it is going to be a little awkward for people working on proprietary things :)

jack: last year, their stance was ... we don't care... we just want something that can show up on our devices at some point

Kev: we can require "open" code? means, code is readable, but authors grant only some rights to others

preferably through the Ovi Store

I'd prefer open source, but I gave up that religion some time ago

licensing is a bit of a rat hole

Nÿco: I guess I'm ok with requiring a source license to the XSF, at a pinch, just for logistic's sake.

is commercial use OK and so on (MySQL-style licenses)

I think so, yes

I'd prefer to avoid that whole debate if we can :)

not mention licence at all?

ok, it's getting too hard to sort that out, maybe we need after all OSI licenses

sounds like we don't mention it at all but only require public repo and ovi store push

OSI approved licenses

bear: sounds good.

what if I do a non-Nokia/Qt (Meego/Symbian), but mobile app? (no Ovi Store)

I'll need to check with them

ok...

but this is our dev chanllenge, not Nokia's

any other concerns about dev challenge before we move on to SWAG

Nÿco: That was outside the scope of the comp. last year - it had to run on a Nokia device. It doesn't seem an unreasonable requirement, given the sponsor.

we set the rules, they approve or not

ok Kev

Nÿco: if you know anyone at Apple or Blackberry to give us some prizes ... :D

I don't see a reason not to allow other mobile apps - if Nokia don't mind, but I don't see a reason to push them on it.

but yeah, I guess they won't move away from Nokia apps

Florian: nothing to answer... ;-)

ok then, resolved?

yup

SWAG :D

public repo + Ovi Store, but no specific licenses needed?

Nÿco: for now.

I'll pitch them that

ok

swag then

do we do t-shirts this year given we've no stand to sell them from?

seems problematic

I'd say yes, but just a few

for Summit participants

unless we sell them from another booth

the problem with a few is you have very small quantities of different sizes

e.g., the SIP Communicator guys might let us sell some

and i dont think selling from another booth is realistic,

Will: agree

we could try to sell more of last year's design :P

we could do some stickers and stuff to hand out to talk attendees

stpeter: we can do that :)

so maybe keep last years shirts

and just get stickers

i'll look into stickers and other stuff (it's very cheap)

:)

I need a new laptop ... running out of sticker space :)

also, are we recording the talks?

video?

if someone has a camera, we can

hmm ... maybe the Nokia guys can bring an extra N8 :)

still the same issue with editing

was looking at hiring camera plus radio mic for the weekend, not expensive

I think it's worth recording them

we can later always decide to just use the audio

ok

recording +1

but let's get a video camera anyway

+1, i'll report back on costs

to the list

great

thanks, Will

hotel package - is that done and advertised?

yup

cool

4 rooms left

and dinner plans?

I got booked into another hotel

before we decided on one

so I guess it would be the Best Western :)

guessed

FWIW :)

:)

dinner: sorted

k

we just need to sort the transport

ah

yeah

I need to call the transport company

will do that first thing tomorrow morning

Florian: do you know if I can just fax them the info?

cool

got a phone call in 5 mins, might have to leave soon

fyi

stpeter: not sure

Florian: could you please check?

will do

thanks

unless someone wants to bike shed more - I think we are done after this item

probably

nothing more on my end

as you saw, I got a room for 50 people

for Fri and Mon

Monday is full

yep

a few places left on Friday

and some at the dinner

I hope we can squeeze a few more people in if needed

yeah

florian - can you email me those stats - I want to work up a summit status blog post

all on the summit page :)

bear: they are on the page

I think the fact that we are full capacity so soon is news worthy

:)

oh right!

http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-10/

ok, we are 2 minutes away from when my "meetings suck, rant rant rant" persona starts to appear

anything else to discuss?

I think we're done

yup

+1 to close

I might have some finance updates before long

ah

one quick thing

invoices for sponsors

dinner sponsors ...

we've got more money coming in with Voxeo, GSOC funds, etc.

ah yes

I sent invoices to Collabora but not the others

drat - I need to send you a check

right ... Isode would need one

great :)

then that's it

who is the person with the xmpp sponsor - the new one?

?

this is not a meeting item - just a question

I didn't parse the question

Voxeo or something - didn't we get them as a new sponsor

yes

we need to create a page about them

yup

so wondering who has contact info to reach out for their blurb page

and, I think, we need to remove out of date sponsors from the website

I can chase them for some text

but we can discuss that on the list

yea, I sent email earlier but got crickets back

ok, thanks all for attending

thx all

bye

bye

thanks, bear!

Next meeting: 2010-02-02, same place, same time

with TypeWithMe in the background ;-)

:)