bearFYI board meeting in 1 hour (if my calendar is accurate)
KevThanks.
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bearboard meeting in 15 minutes
bearmeeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS
bearare you doing the twitter'ing stpeter?
stpeterhowdy
stpeterI can, yes
bearthanks
stpeterI was busy writing an email message to the Board about possible discussion topics
bearis trying this new thing called "prepared"
stpeterheh
stpeterso I mentioned several possible topics:
1. GScC update
2. Summit #11
3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001
4. Voxeo page for website
5. Public services list
6. Microblogging / blogging
7. Trademark sublicensing applications
stpeternoodle on those, I'll be right back
beark
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Florianevening all
stpeterhi Florian!
bearhello
stpeterMr. Sheward and I can also give a report on the website -- I think we're finished with http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes and can think about what new pages to add, if desired
bearadds that to the top
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will.shewardEvening
stpeterany sign of Jack or Nÿco?
Florianevening Will :)
bearjust poked jack
stpeterok
stpeteryes, he's online
beardon't see nyco online
will.shewardAnyone know what's happened to collecta?
Florianme n'either
stpeterat least at his current address -- Jack seems to move around a lot :)
stpeterwill.sheward: presumably Jack can tell us
stpeterI don't know the story
bearjack is in SF all week doing contract work for Yammer
bearso he will be missing this one
stpeterok
Florianlet's go?
will.shewardMay need to remove the collect widget from the home page
beartime to start then
stpetersome of my items will really be for discussion in 2 weeks, they are organizational right now
stpeters/discussion/decisions/
bearmeeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS
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stpeterhere is what I posted earlier:
0. Website update
1. GScC update
2. Summit #11
3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001
4. Voxeo page for website
5. Public services list
6. Microblogging / blogging
7. Trademark sublicensing applications
stpetertypewith.me is nice
stpeterok
Florianlooks good
will.shewardWe can combine 0 and 4 I think
stpeternod
stpeterso GSoC first?
Floriansure
stpeterdefers to bear
bearwe received the 7 slots we asked for
Floriangreat
bearworking with the python gsoc group to fit in some of their xmpp related projects
bearwe have 4 really solid students so far
bearand kev is whipping into shape some of the others to see if they will make it in
stpeterheh
will.shewardDo we not have enough of our own?
bearmy hunch is that we will have 5 or 6 solids
stpeterdo we need to use all 7 slots?
stpeterI'd prefer to have fewer solid students
bearwe have a lot of really iffy applications
stpeterif needed
KevWe asked for 7 because that's the number that the mentors asked for.
stpeternods
stpeterlast year we had 3
beardefers to kev to fill in the details
stpeterIIRC
will.shewardIffy I'm what way?
Kev4 the mentors said were outstanding, 3 more the mentors said were good and they wanted.
will.shewardIn
Kevwill.sheward: Nothing more than usual. Not all applications are good.
stpeterwill.sheward: yes you are iffy
Kevstpeter: 3, we asked for another and got it.
bearmost were just from students who gave little to no thought on their app and then were not heard from again
stpeterwill.sheward: the scent of money attracts some flaky students
stpeterhell, I was a flaky student myself once :)
Florianhehe
will.shewardOk
KevThis year the scheme was changed to ask for the number of outstanding (4) students and the number you'd like (7) in an ideal world.
KevWe got all 7.
stpeterso typically we need to weed out a lot of chaff
KevIf a mentor changes their mind about wanting their student, we give the slot back and Carol hands it out to another org.
stpeteryep
stpeterthat works fine
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stpeterhi Emil
stpeteranything else related to gsoc?
KevWe can't discuss what the applications were here, but Board are welcome to sign up to Melange and look at them there.
KevYes.
KevWe need to devote significantly more effort to it next year.
stpeterhmm
stpeterit's always a lot of work
KevTrust me, I know.
stpeteris it becoming even more work? :)
KevWell, if we want to get more high quality students, we need to attract them somehow.
stpeterthinks about costs and benefits
bearthe mentor side is more work this year
Kevbear: Based on what?
bearthe org admin side is minimal
KevAhem.
stpeterheh
will.shewardHeh
bearjust seeing how busy you are chasing students and mentors
KevYes, that's org admin work :)
bearhides
Florian:p
Emil Ivovhey Peter :)
KevBetween mentor and org admin, my effort's been measured in hours/day for the last few weeks.
KevBut anyway.
KevThe reward of getting new contributors to the projects is, I think, significant and worthwhile.
stpeterKev: every year we say we need to plan more fully, and either we don't do the planning or we neglect to capture lessons learned from the previous year...
KevSo we can not do any more recruiting than we normally do, and that's fine.
stpeterso we need to get better at that
Kevstpeter: Well, myself and people from KDE/Gentoo/X.org have been writing a series of lessons on the Google Open Source blog for that.
stpeterand I'm part of the problem, so I'm volunteering to help
stpeterKev: excellent
Kevhttp://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html for exampel.
beari'm also part of the problem to be blunt - I have been giving minimal support and will fix that
KevAnyway. We've had an apathy from projects this year. Swift, Buddycloud and PySoy have each put in considerable work and have as a consequence got great proposals.
stpeterright
stpeteryou get out what you put in
KevOthers less so, and I'd really like us to have more active projects.
stpeteryep
Florianyeah
stpeterbut that's a bigger problem
KevAnd the OneSocialWeb incident was *not* good.
bearI think we need to put into the calendar a couple months *before* the signup to start banging the drum about the next one
Kevbear: Yes, that was what I was going to suggest.
bearstpeter - can you add a "tickler" event to the calendar for next year?
stpeterI was thinking just an hour ago or so that we don't have a lot of active projects, and that's a problem, but it's a bigger problem than GSoC
stpeterbear: yes
Florianstpeter: indeed ...
Kevstpeter: True, although GSoC is a great opportunity for projects to become active.
bearmaybe we can use the gsoc project list as a bit of guilt for the others - start really talking them up
Florianhey ... this might be something ...
Florianwhy not let us organize something post GSoC?
Floriani.e. the XMPP Winter of Code :p
KevWhen fringe groups (And I'm not using the term derogitavely) like BC and PySoy are getting better applications for XMPP than anyone other than Swift, it's a sad sad sign.
Kevbetter is the wrong description.
KevMore XSF-relevant.
bearcan we move this discussion to the list for followup
Florian+1
KevSure, I don't have much more :)
beark
will.shewardThen we need to define what is relevant well before the event
stpeterKev: thanks for sharing :)
stpeterbear: I put it on my calendar for October 10 so that we can raise this topic with the incoming Board at that time
bearstpeter - can you add will's comment to the tickler
Kevwill.sheward: We do. We should generaly be more engaged further in advance.
stpeterright
bearok, next - website update?
stpeterok
Floriansure
stpeterso Will and I finished http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes
stpeterthat took longer than expected, but most things do :)
will.shewardWell, you mostly
stpeterthe last pages to be fixed were related to the public services
stpeternow at http://xmpp.org/resources/public-services/
stpeterwe've had discussion on the operators@ list about that
stpeterand some volunteers
stpeteropen question how to manage that going forward
stpeterand whether we need more features
will.shewardVolunteers,good
stpeterbut I think we at least have a path to updating it more often
stpeternot sure how to sync the WP page with the .xml file that clients use
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will.shewardWe/I still need to sort out the sponsor stuff..was planning to delete non sponsors tomorrow
stpeterbut we can work that out
stpeterwill.sheward: ok good
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stpeterwill.sheward: and we need a page for Voxeo
will.shewardAs the CEO is on holiday :-)
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stpeterheh
will.shewardVoxeo, check
stpeterwill.sheward: by "check" do you mean you'll come up with content?
stpeterwill.sheward: the sponsor pages are typically brief
will.shewardYes
stpeterok
stpeterthank you
Floriangret
will.shewardThen I'll check with the sponsor for changes
stpetersuper
stpeteranything else on the website?
stpeterwe talked about recruiting maintainers for various sections
will.shewardTunnels coming up, may lose you for a few minutes
stpeterI updated the history page recently http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/history/
stpeterok
stpetermoving on to the Summit, then
Florianok
stpeterOSCON is directly opposite the IETF meeting in Quebec City
stpeterI am wondering about holding the Summit in QC
stpetere.g., Saturday and Sunday before IETF meeting
Florianinteresting
stpeterQC is nice
Florianwould we get the audience we'd want for the Summit?
stpeterand I could work with IETF to get the XMPP meeting on Monday
bearthat will be sad for those of us who normally go to oscon :(
stpeteryeah
stpeternot sure what to do
stpeteror y'all can meet in Portland, but I can't join
stpeter(nor can some others, I'd think, who are involved in IETF stuff -- Joe Hildebrand etc.)
bearmost of the core summit folk will be missing - it would be a "hey, this is xmpp" type event
stpeternot that you need me to be there necessarily
stpetermaybe a hackathon would be more productive in some ways anyway
stpeterI'm still interested in that XMPP validator :)
Florian:)
Florianwell ... if we do it before OSCON
stpeterI think I can also raise money for the validator
FlorianSat / Sun ... would people be willing to come to the Summit?
bearI had wanted to continue the work we started last time, but the core folks will be missing
Florianin QC
bearwe should mail the members and find out
stpeterQC is a bit hard to get to, but easier for folks in Europe perhaps
will.shewardLet's mail and see if anyone has strong views
stpeterFlorian: we could potentially do Friday and Saturday in QC
stpeterok
stpeternext item, "Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001" -- I think we can discuss that next time
stpeterwe had discussion on the members@ list
stpeterI'd like to poll the Council about that at its next meeting
stpeterthen ask the Board to perhaps take action
stpeterconsiders Kev's 30-minute meeting rule :)
Floriansounds good.
bear+1
stpeter"Public services list" we already discussed
stpeterbriefly about "Trademark sublicensing applications" -- I will put three applications in the tracker at http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/TRADEMARKS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aopenissues-panel for discussion by the Board at its next meeting
Florianok
Floriancan someone give me an account on there?
stpeterI have reached out to all the projects listed on our website that have "JABBER" in the name
will.shewardOk
stpeterFlorian: yes, will do in a minute
Floriangreat, thanks
stpeterFlorian: in fact you have an account
stpeterit's tied to your florianjensen.com address
Florianah, ok
stpeterusername florian
Florianstrange ... but will check :)
Florianthx
stpeteryou can ask for a password reset
bearblogging?
stpeteris slowly catching on myriad topics after RFC publication
stpeterbear: in Brussels, Johann Prieur volunteered to post to the identi.ca / Twitter account
bearwill he be working from a set list of topics or doing it adhoc?
stpeterdo we want to just hand out credentials to those accounts, or set up a bot that people can post to?
stpeteradhoc, I think
stpeterso we need to think about how we want to do that
beara bot would allow for single source for credentials and be able to add/remove cleanly IMO
stpetere.g., do we want to have something of a communications plan / program for microblogging and blogging?
will.shewardAdhoc +1
stpeterbear: agreed
FlorianAdHoc +1
stpeterI mean, we can always coach people on topics
bearI would love to have items go to the list for possible preparation but adhoc for sure
will.shewardWell never get a coms plan off the ground
bearand the bot could also post to the list
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KevWe've got a whole comm *team*
KevAnd very active it is too.
stpeterit's hard to plan for microblogging -- it's supposed to be a spontaneous kind of activity :)
KevI'd suggest not adding too many barriers to entry in light of this!
stpeterKev: indeed
beari'm more worried about having it seem like spam if 5 people all post in a day on the same topic
will.shewardTrust the team to plan itself I think
bear+1 for comm team assignment
Florian+1
bearlet them tell us what they need
stpeterWFM
stpeterbut the bot would help -- let's poke that iteam
bear:)
stpeterI think we had a similar bot at one point, didn't we?
stpeterI'll poke Matthew Wild about that
stpeterI think he had a similar bot
stpeterok
stpeterso that's it from me
will.sheward+1 for poking people other than me
stpeterheh
Floriannothing to add here
will.shewardOr here
stpeterwe have some action items
stpeternext meeting?
stpeteris it in the calendar already?
stpeterchecks
stpeter2 weeks from today I will be flying to New Jersey for a W3C workshop on web tracking and user privacy
Floriannext week?
stpeter3 weeks from today I will be flying back from the IESG retreat in Amsterdam
Florianas Jack and Nyco were missing?
stpeterthat's fine with me
bearnext week works for me
Florian+1
will.shewardOk
stpeterupdates the calendar
Floriangreat
stpeterI'll check the typewith.me page here in a second so we can capture all the action items
will.shewardWe done? gavel banging tinne?
stpeteryep
stpeterseems so
will.shewardTime
Floriancools ... thanks everyone
bearthanks
stpeteryes, thanks
bearany changes to the meeting notes?
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Floriannone from me
bearwho is mailing the list for the summit poll?
stpeterbear: checking
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stpeterminutes look good
stpeterthanks for that
bearnp
bearsends to members list
stpetercalendar updated
beari'll email the comm team about bot
bearcan someone who is familiar with the QC IETF meeting compose the poll question