XSF Discussion - 2011-04-13

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16:02:04 bear FYI board meeting in 1 hour (if my calendar is accurate)
16:02:23 Kev Thanks.
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16:48:25 bear board meeting in 15 minutes
16:48:33 bear meeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS
16:48:50 bear are you doing the twitter'ing stpeter?
16:51:50 stpeter howdy
16:51:54 stpeter I can, yes
16:52:00 bear thanks
16:52:10 stpeter I was busy writing an email message to the Board about possible discussion topics
16:53:09 bear is trying this new thing called "prepared"
16:53:42 stpeter heh
16:54:19 stpeter so I mentioned several possible topics: 1. GScC update 2. Summit #11 3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001 4. Voxeo page for website 5. Public services list 6. Microblogging / blogging 7. Trademark sublicensing applications
16:54:34 stpeter noodle on those, I'll be right back
16:54:38 bear k
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16:57:32 Florian evening all
16:57:38 stpeter hi Florian!
16:59:22 bear hello
17:00:10 stpeter Mr. Sheward and I can also give a report on the website -- I think we're finished with http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes and can think about what new pages to add, if desired
17:00:27 bear adds that to the top
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17:03:32 will.sheward Evening
17:03:35 stpeter any sign of Jack or Nÿco?
17:03:38 Florian evening Will :)
17:03:40 bear just poked jack
17:03:46 stpeter ok
17:03:53 stpeter yes, he's online
17:03:58 bear don't see nyco online
17:04:02 will.sheward Anyone know what's happened to collecta?
17:04:04 Florian me n'either
17:04:09 stpeter at least at his current address -- Jack seems to move around a lot :)
17:04:28 stpeter will.sheward: presumably Jack can tell us
17:04:35 stpeter I don't know the story
17:04:39 bear jack is in SF all week doing contract work for Yammer
17:04:46 bear so he will be missing this one
17:04:54 stpeter ok
17:04:58 Florian let's go?
17:05:03 will.sheward May need to remove the collect widget from the home page
17:05:14 bear time to start then
17:05:15 stpeter some of my items will really be for discussion in 2 weeks, they are organizational right now
17:05:24 stpeter s/discussion/decisions/
17:05:46 bear meeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS
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17:05:57 stpeter here is what I posted earlier: 0. Website update 1. GScC update 2. Summit #11 3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001 4. Voxeo page for website 5. Public services list 6. Microblogging / blogging 7. Trademark sublicensing applications
17:06:17 stpeter typewith.me is nice
17:06:18 stpeter ok
17:06:24 Florian looks good
17:06:31 will.sheward We can combine 0 and 4 I think
17:06:54 stpeter nod
17:07:03 stpeter so GSoC first?
17:07:08 Florian sure
17:07:16 stpeter defers to bear
17:07:33 bear we received the 7 slots we asked for
17:07:48 Florian great
17:07:59 bear working with the python gsoc group to fit in some of their xmpp related projects
17:08:08 bear we have 4 really solid students so far
17:08:23 bear and kev is whipping into shape some of the others to see if they will make it in
17:08:27 stpeter heh
17:08:30 will.sheward Do we not have enough of our own?
17:08:32 bear my hunch is that we will have 5 or 6 solids
17:08:37 stpeter do we need to use all 7 slots?
17:08:43 stpeter I'd prefer to have fewer solid students
17:08:47 bear we have a lot of really iffy applications
17:08:47 stpeter if needed
17:08:49 Kev We asked for 7 because that's the number that the mentors asked for.
17:08:50 stpeter nods
17:09:01 stpeter last year we had 3
17:09:04 bear defers to kev to fill in the details
17:09:06 stpeter IIRC
17:09:06 will.sheward Iffy I'm what way?
17:09:09 Kev 4 the mentors said were outstanding, 3 more the mentors said were good and they wanted.
17:09:11 will.sheward In
17:09:20 Kev will.sheward: Nothing more than usual. Not all applications are good.
17:09:26 stpeter will.sheward: yes you are iffy
17:09:34 Kev stpeter: 3, we asked for another and got it.
17:09:45 bear most were just from students who gave little to no thought on their app and then were not heard from again
17:09:45 stpeter will.sheward: the scent of money attracts some flaky students
17:09:56 stpeter hell, I was a flaky student myself once :)
17:09:57 Florian hehe
17:09:58 will.sheward Ok
17:10:15 Kev This year the scheme was changed to ask for the number of outstanding (4) students and the number you'd like (7) in an ideal world.
17:10:17 Kev We got all 7.
17:10:18 stpeter so typically we need to weed out a lot of chaff
17:10:38 Kev If a mentor changes their mind about wanting their student, we give the slot back and Carol hands it out to another org.
17:10:44 stpeter yep
17:10:46 stpeter that works fine
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17:11:13 stpeter hi Emil
17:11:22 stpeter anything else related to gsoc?
17:11:24 Kev We can't discuss what the applications were here, but Board are welcome to sign up to Melange and look at them there.
17:11:25 Kev Yes.
17:11:35 Kev We need to devote significantly more effort to it next year.
17:11:42 stpeter hmm
17:11:46 stpeter it's always a lot of work
17:11:51 Kev Trust me, I know.
17:11:54 stpeter is it becoming even more work? :)
17:12:06 Kev Well, if we want to get more high quality students, we need to attract them somehow.
17:12:08 stpeter thinks about costs and benefits
17:12:10 bear the mentor side is more work this year
17:12:17 Kev bear: Based on what?
17:12:19 bear the org admin side is minimal
17:12:24 Kev Ahem.
17:12:29 stpeter heh
17:12:31 will.sheward Heh
17:12:38 bear just seeing how busy you are chasing students and mentors
17:12:44 Kev Yes, that's org admin work :)
17:12:50 bear hides
17:12:52 Florian :p
17:12:56 Emil Ivov hey Peter :)
17:13:20 Kev Between mentor and org admin, my effort's been measured in hours/day for the last few weeks.
17:13:21 Kev But anyway.
17:13:41 Kev The reward of getting new contributors to the projects is, I think, significant and worthwhile.
17:13:53 stpeter Kev: every year we say we need to plan more fully, and either we don't do the planning or we neglect to capture lessons learned from the previous year...
17:13:59 Kev So we can not do any more recruiting than we normally do, and that's fine.
17:14:07 stpeter so we need to get better at that
17:14:18 Kev stpeter: Well, myself and people from KDE/Gentoo/X.org have been writing a series of lessons on the Google Open Source blog for that.
17:14:23 stpeter and I'm part of the problem, so I'm volunteering to help
17:14:30 stpeter Kev: excellent
17:14:41 Kev http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html for exampel.
17:15:03 bear i'm also part of the problem to be blunt - I have been giving minimal support and will fix that
17:15:16 Kev Anyway. We've had an apathy from projects this year. Swift, Buddycloud and PySoy have each put in considerable work and have as a consequence got great proposals.
17:15:34 stpeter right
17:15:40 stpeter you get out what you put in
17:15:41 Kev Others less so, and I'd really like us to have more active projects.
17:15:48 stpeter yep
17:15:50 Florian yeah
17:15:53 stpeter but that's a bigger problem
17:15:59 Kev And the OneSocialWeb incident was *not* good.
17:16:21 bear I think we need to put into the calendar a couple months *before* the signup to start banging the drum about the next one
17:16:34 Kev bear: Yes, that was what I was going to suggest.
17:16:57 bear stpeter - can you add a "tickler" event to the calendar for next year?
17:16:58 stpeter I was thinking just an hour ago or so that we don't have a lot of active projects, and that's a problem, but it's a bigger problem than GSoC
17:17:03 stpeter bear: yes
17:17:22 Florian stpeter: indeed ...
17:17:28 Kev stpeter: True, although GSoC is a great opportunity for projects to become active.
17:17:38 bear maybe we can use the gsoc project list as a bit of guilt for the others - start really talking them up
17:17:55 Florian hey ... this might be something ...
17:18:07 Florian why not let us organize something post GSoC?
17:18:13 Florian i.e. the XMPP Winter of Code :p
17:18:28 Kev When fringe groups (And I'm not using the term derogitavely) like BC and PySoy are getting better applications for XMPP than anyone other than Swift, it's a sad sad sign.
17:19:29 Kev better is the wrong description.
17:19:32 Kev More XSF-relevant.
17:19:46 bear can we move this discussion to the list for followup
17:19:52 Florian +1
17:19:57 Kev Sure, I don't have much more :)
17:20:01 bear k
17:20:10 will.sheward Then we need to define what is relevant well before the event
17:20:11 stpeter Kev: thanks for sharing :)
17:20:34 stpeter bear: I put it on my calendar for October 10 so that we can raise this topic with the incoming Board at that time
17:20:38 bear stpeter - can you add will's comment to the tickler
17:20:39 Kev will.sheward: We do. We should generaly be more engaged further in advance.
17:21:21 stpeter right
17:21:22 bear ok, next - website update?
17:21:24 stpeter ok
17:21:35 Florian sure
17:21:38 stpeter so Will and I finished http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes
17:21:49 stpeter that took longer than expected, but most things do :)
17:21:54 will.sheward Well, you mostly
17:22:11 stpeter the last pages to be fixed were related to the public services
17:22:27 stpeter now at http://xmpp.org/resources/public-services/
17:22:36 stpeter we've had discussion on the operators@ list about that
17:22:39 stpeter and some volunteers
17:22:48 stpeter open question how to manage that going forward
17:22:52 stpeter and whether we need more features
17:22:56 will.sheward Volunteers,good
17:23:03 stpeter but I think we at least have a path to updating it more often
17:23:20 stpeter not sure how to sync the WP page with the .xml file that clients use
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17:23:47 will.sheward We/I still need to sort out the sponsor stuff..was planning to delete non sponsors tomorrow
17:23:50 stpeter but we can work that out
17:23:55 stpeter will.sheward: ok good
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17:24:03 stpeter will.sheward: and we need a page for Voxeo
17:24:10 will.sheward As the CEO is on holiday :-)
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17:24:18 stpeter heh
17:24:20 will.sheward Voxeo, check
17:24:50 stpeter will.sheward: by "check" do you mean you'll come up with content?
17:24:59 stpeter will.sheward: the sponsor pages are typically brief
17:25:00 will.sheward Yes
17:25:02 stpeter ok
17:25:05 stpeter thank you
17:25:09 Florian gret
17:25:16 will.sheward Then I'll check with the sponsor for changes
17:25:22 stpeter super
17:25:35 stpeter anything else on the website?
17:25:45 stpeter we talked about recruiting maintainers for various sections
17:25:58 will.sheward Tunnels coming up, may lose you for a few minutes
17:26:09 stpeter I updated the history page recently http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/history/
17:26:11 stpeter ok
17:26:17 stpeter moving on to the Summit, then
17:26:20 Florian ok
17:26:29 stpeter OSCON is directly opposite the IETF meeting in Quebec City
17:26:40 stpeter I am wondering about holding the Summit in QC
17:26:51 stpeter e.g., Saturday and Sunday before IETF meeting
17:26:52 Florian interesting
17:26:54 stpeter QC is nice
17:27:07 Florian would we get the audience we'd want for the Summit?
17:27:09 stpeter and I could work with IETF to get the XMPP meeting on Monday
17:27:10 bear that will be sad for those of us who normally go to oscon :(
17:27:13 stpeter yeah
17:27:16 stpeter not sure what to do
17:27:25 stpeter or y'all can meet in Portland, but I can't join
17:27:50 stpeter (nor can some others, I'd think, who are involved in IETF stuff -- Joe Hildebrand etc.)
17:27:51 bear most of the core summit folk will be missing - it would be a "hey, this is xmpp" type event
17:28:05 stpeter not that you need me to be there necessarily
17:28:30 stpeter maybe a hackathon would be more productive in some ways anyway
17:28:41 stpeter I'm still interested in that XMPP validator :)
17:28:50 Florian :)
17:29:03 Florian well ... if we do it before OSCON
17:29:11 stpeter I think I can also raise money for the validator
17:29:16 Florian Sat / Sun ... would people be willing to come to the Summit?
17:29:17 bear I had wanted to continue the work we started last time, but the core folks will be missing
17:29:18 Florian in QC
17:29:46 bear we should mail the members and find out
17:29:55 stpeter QC is a bit hard to get to, but easier for folks in Europe perhaps
17:30:24 will.sheward Let's mail and see if anyone has strong views
17:30:24 stpeter Florian: we could potentially do Friday and Saturday in QC
17:30:25 stpeter ok
17:31:00 stpeter next item, "Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001" -- I think we can discuss that next time
17:31:05 stpeter we had discussion on the members@ list
17:31:15 stpeter I'd like to poll the Council about that at its next meeting
17:31:21 stpeter then ask the Board to perhaps take action
17:31:37 stpeter considers Kev's 30-minute meeting rule :)
17:31:45 Florian sounds good.
17:31:45 bear +1
17:31:49 stpeter "Public services list" we already discussed
17:32:26 stpeter briefly about "Trademark sublicensing applications" -- I will put three applications in the tracker at http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/TRADEMARKS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aopenissues-panel for discussion by the Board at its next meeting
17:32:39 Florian ok
17:32:49 Florian can someone give me an account on there?
17:32:50 stpeter I have reached out to all the projects listed on our website that have "JABBER" in the name
17:32:52 will.sheward Ok
17:33:00 stpeter Florian: yes, will do in a minute
17:33:08 Florian great, thanks
17:33:32 stpeter Florian: in fact you have an account
17:33:40 stpeter it's tied to your florianjensen.com address
17:33:48 Florian ah, ok
17:33:55 stpeter username florian
17:33:56 Florian strange ... but will check :)
17:33:59 Florian thx
17:34:00 stpeter you can ask for a password reset
17:34:24 bear blogging?
17:34:38 stpeter is slowly catching on myriad topics after RFC publication
17:35:06 stpeter bear: in Brussels, Johann Prieur volunteered to post to the identi.ca / Twitter account
17:35:35 bear will he be working from a set list of topics or doing it adhoc?
17:35:39 stpeter do we want to just hand out credentials to those accounts, or set up a bot that people can post to?
17:35:47 stpeter adhoc, I think
17:35:54 stpeter so we need to think about how we want to do that
17:36:23 bear a bot would allow for single source for credentials and be able to add/remove cleanly IMO
17:36:29 stpeter e.g., do we want to have something of a communications plan / program for microblogging and blogging?
17:36:30 will.sheward Adhoc +1
17:36:33 stpeter bear: agreed
17:36:37 Florian AdHoc +1
17:36:48 stpeter I mean, we can always coach people on topics
17:37:04 bear I would love to have items go to the list for possible preparation but adhoc for sure
17:37:20 will.sheward Well never get a coms plan off the ground
17:37:22 bear and the bot could also post to the list
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17:37:35 Kev We've got a whole comm *team*
17:37:44 Kev And very active it is too.
17:37:47 stpeter it's hard to plan for microblogging -- it's supposed to be a spontaneous kind of activity :)
17:37:55 Kev I'd suggest not adding too many barriers to entry in light of this!
17:38:00 stpeter Kev: indeed
17:38:00 bear i'm more worried about having it seem like spam if 5 people all post in a day on the same topic
17:38:01 will.sheward Trust the team to plan itself I think
17:38:23 bear +1 for comm team assignment
17:38:25 Florian +1
17:38:27 bear let them tell us what they need
17:38:41 stpeter WFM
17:38:51 stpeter but the bot would help -- let's poke that iteam
17:38:59 bear :)
17:39:05 stpeter I think we had a similar bot at one point, didn't we?
17:39:45 stpeter I'll poke Matthew Wild about that
17:39:52 stpeter I think he had a similar bot
17:39:54 stpeter ok
17:39:57 stpeter so that's it from me
17:39:58 will.sheward +1 for poking people other than me
17:40:02 stpeter heh
17:40:06 Florian nothing to add here
17:40:11 will.sheward Or here
17:40:14 stpeter we have some action items
17:40:20 stpeter next meeting?
17:40:25 stpeter is it in the calendar already?
17:40:27 stpeter checks
17:41:13 stpeter 2 weeks from today I will be flying to New Jersey for a W3C workshop on web tracking and user privacy
17:41:27 Florian next week?
17:41:29 stpeter 3 weeks from today I will be flying back from the IESG retreat in Amsterdam
17:41:35 Florian as Jack and Nyco were missing?
17:41:42 stpeter that's fine with me
17:41:44 bear next week works for me
17:41:48 Florian +1
17:41:52 will.sheward Ok
17:41:59 stpeter updates the calendar
17:42:09 Florian great
17:43:10 stpeter I'll check the typewith.me page here in a second so we can capture all the action items
17:43:24 will.sheward We done? gavel banging tinne?
17:43:27 stpeter yep
17:43:29 stpeter seems so
17:43:31 will.sheward Time
17:43:54 Florian cools ... thanks everyone
17:44:00 bear thanks
17:44:08 stpeter yes, thanks
17:44:17 bear any changes to the meeting notes?
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17:44:50 Florian none from me
17:45:39 bear who is mailing the list for the summit poll?
17:45:40 stpeter bear: checking
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17:46:55 stpeter minutes look good
17:46:57 stpeter thanks for that
17:47:32 bear np
17:47:40 bear sends to members list
17:47:44 stpeter calendar updated
17:49:17 bear i'll email the comm team about bot
17:49:34 bear can someone who is familiar with the QC IETF meeting compose the poll question
17:49:35 stpeter bear: ok thanks
17:49:46 stpeter bear: I can send the poll, sure
17:49:52 bear thanks
18:03:24 stpeter message sent to members@
18:03:33 stpeter I'll forward to summit@ too
18:03:40 bear I emailed the comm team also
18:03:55 stpeter I saw
18:03:56 stpeter thanks
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