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bear
FYI board meeting in 1 hour (if my calendar is accurate)
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Kev
Thanks.
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bear
board meeting in 15 minutes
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bear
meeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS
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bear
are you doing the twitter'ing stpeter?
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stpeter
howdy
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stpeter
I can, yes
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bear
thanks
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stpeter
I was busy writing an email message to the Board about possible discussion topics
- bear is trying this new thing called "prepared"
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
so I mentioned several possible topics: 1. GScC update 2. Summit #11 3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001 4. Voxeo page for website 5. Public services list 6. Microblogging / blogging 7. Trademark sublicensing applications
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stpeter
noodle on those, I'll be right back
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bear
k
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Florian
evening all
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stpeter
hi Florian!
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bear
hello
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stpeter
Mr. Sheward and I can also give a report on the website -- I think we're finished with http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes and can think about what new pages to add, if desired
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will.sheward
Evening
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stpeter
any sign of Jack or NĂ¿co?
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Florian
evening Will :)
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bear
just poked jack
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
yes, he's online
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bear
don't see nyco online
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will.sheward
Anyone know what's happened to collecta?
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Florian
me n'either
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stpeter
at least at his current address -- Jack seems to move around a lot :)
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stpeter
will.sheward: presumably Jack can tell us
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stpeter
I don't know the story
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bear
jack is in SF all week doing contract work for Yammer
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bear
so he will be missing this one
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stpeter
ok
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Florian
let's go?
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will.sheward
May need to remove the collect widget from the home page
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bear
time to start then
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stpeter
some of my items will really be for discussion in 2 weeks, they are organizational right now
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stpeter
s/discussion/decisions/
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bear
meeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS
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stpeter
here is what I posted earlier: 0. Website update 1. GScC update 2. Summit #11 3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001 4. Voxeo page for website 5. Public services list 6. Microblogging / blogging 7. Trademark sublicensing applications
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stpeter
typewith.me is nice
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stpeter
ok
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Florian
looks good
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will.sheward
We can combine 0 and 4 I think
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stpeter
nod
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stpeter
so GSoC first?
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Florian
sure
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bear
we received the 7 slots we asked for
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Florian
great
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bear
working with the python gsoc group to fit in some of their xmpp related projects
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bear
we have 4 really solid students so far
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bear
and kev is whipping into shape some of the others to see if they will make it in
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stpeter
heh
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will.sheward
Do we not have enough of our own?
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bear
my hunch is that we will have 5 or 6 solids
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stpeter
do we need to use all 7 slots?
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stpeter
I'd prefer to have fewer solid students
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bear
we have a lot of really iffy applications
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stpeter
if needed
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Kev
We asked for 7 because that's the number that the mentors asked for.
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stpeter
last year we had 3
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stpeter
IIRC
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will.sheward
Iffy I'm what way?
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Kev
4 the mentors said were outstanding, 3 more the mentors said were good and they wanted.
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will.sheward
In
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Kev
will.sheward: Nothing more than usual. Not all applications are good.
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stpeter
will.sheward: yes you are iffy
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Kev
stpeter: 3, we asked for another and got it.
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bear
most were just from students who gave little to no thought on their app and then were not heard from again
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stpeter
will.sheward: the scent of money attracts some flaky students
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stpeter
hell, I was a flaky student myself once :)
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Florian
hehe
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will.sheward
Ok
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Kev
This year the scheme was changed to ask for the number of outstanding (4) students and the number you'd like (7) in an ideal world.
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Kev
We got all 7.
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stpeter
so typically we need to weed out a lot of chaff
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Kev
If a mentor changes their mind about wanting their student, we give the slot back and Carol hands it out to another org.
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stpeter
yep
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stpeter
that works fine
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stpeter
hi Emil
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stpeter
anything else related to gsoc?
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Kev
We can't discuss what the applications were here, but Board are welcome to sign up to Melange and look at them there.
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Kev
Yes.
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Kev
We need to devote significantly more effort to it next year.
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stpeter
hmm
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stpeter
it's always a lot of work
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Kev
Trust me, I know.
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stpeter
is it becoming even more work? :)
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Kev
Well, if we want to get more high quality students, we need to attract them somehow.
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bear
the mentor side is more work this year
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Kev
bear: Based on what?
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bear
the org admin side is minimal
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Kev
Ahem.
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stpeter
heh
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will.sheward
Heh
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bear
just seeing how busy you are chasing students and mentors
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Kev
Yes, that's org admin work :)
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Florian
:p
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Emil Ivov
hey Peter :)
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Kev
Between mentor and org admin, my effort's been measured in hours/day for the last few weeks.
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Kev
But anyway.
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Kev
The reward of getting new contributors to the projects is, I think, significant and worthwhile.
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stpeter
Kev: every year we say we need to plan more fully, and either we don't do the planning or we neglect to capture lessons learned from the previous year...
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Kev
So we can not do any more recruiting than we normally do, and that's fine.
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stpeter
so we need to get better at that
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Kev
stpeter: Well, myself and people from KDE/Gentoo/X.org have been writing a series of lessons on the Google Open Source blog for that.
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stpeter
and I'm part of the problem, so I'm volunteering to help
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stpeter
Kev: excellent
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Kev
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html for exampel.
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bear
i'm also part of the problem to be blunt - I have been giving minimal support and will fix that
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Kev
Anyway. We've had an apathy from projects this year. Swift, Buddycloud and PySoy have each put in considerable work and have as a consequence got great proposals.
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
you get out what you put in
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Kev
Others less so, and I'd really like us to have more active projects.
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stpeter
yep
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Florian
yeah
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stpeter
but that's a bigger problem
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Kev
And the OneSocialWeb incident was *not* good.
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bear
I think we need to put into the calendar a couple months *before* the signup to start banging the drum about the next one
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Kev
bear: Yes, that was what I was going to suggest.
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bear
stpeter - can you add a "tickler" event to the calendar for next year?
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stpeter
I was thinking just an hour ago or so that we don't have a lot of active projects, and that's a problem, but it's a bigger problem than GSoC
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stpeter
bear: yes
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Florian
stpeter: indeed ...
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Kev
stpeter: True, although GSoC is a great opportunity for projects to become active.
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bear
maybe we can use the gsoc project list as a bit of guilt for the others - start really talking them up
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Florian
hey ... this might be something ...
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Florian
why not let us organize something post GSoC?
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Florian
i.e. the XMPP Winter of Code :p
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Kev
When fringe groups (And I'm not using the term derogitavely) like BC and PySoy are getting better applications for XMPP than anyone other than Swift, it's a sad sad sign.
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Kev
better is the wrong description.
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Kev
More XSF-relevant.
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bear
can we move this discussion to the list for followup
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Florian
+1
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Kev
Sure, I don't have much more :)
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bear
k
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will.sheward
Then we need to define what is relevant well before the event
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stpeter
Kev: thanks for sharing :)
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stpeter
bear: I put it on my calendar for October 10 so that we can raise this topic with the incoming Board at that time
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bear
stpeter - can you add will's comment to the tickler
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Kev
will.sheward: We do. We should generaly be more engaged further in advance.
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stpeter
right
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bear
ok, next - website update?
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stpeter
ok
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Florian
sure
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stpeter
so Will and I finished http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes
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stpeter
that took longer than expected, but most things do :)
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will.sheward
Well, you mostly
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stpeter
the last pages to be fixed were related to the public services
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stpeter
now at http://xmpp.org/resources/public-services/
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stpeter
we've had discussion on the operators@ list about that
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stpeter
and some volunteers
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stpeter
open question how to manage that going forward
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stpeter
and whether we need more features
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will.sheward
Volunteers,good
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stpeter
but I think we at least have a path to updating it more often
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stpeter
not sure how to sync the WP page with the .xml file that clients use
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will.sheward
We/I still need to sort out the sponsor stuff..was planning to delete non sponsors tomorrow
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stpeter
but we can work that out
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stpeter
will.sheward: ok good
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will.sheward: and we need a page for Voxeo
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will.sheward
As the CEO is on holiday :-)
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stpeter
heh
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will.sheward
Voxeo, check
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stpeter
will.sheward: by "check" do you mean you'll come up with content?
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stpeter
will.sheward: the sponsor pages are typically brief
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will.sheward
Yes
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
thank you
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Florian
gret
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will.sheward
Then I'll check with the sponsor for changes
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stpeter
super
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stpeter
anything else on the website?
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stpeter
we talked about recruiting maintainers for various sections
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will.sheward
Tunnels coming up, may lose you for a few minutes
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stpeter
I updated the history page recently http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/history/
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
moving on to the Summit, then
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Florian
ok
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stpeter
OSCON is directly opposite the IETF meeting in Quebec City
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stpeter
I am wondering about holding the Summit in QC
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stpeter
e.g., Saturday and Sunday before IETF meeting
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Florian
interesting
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stpeter
QC is nice
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Florian
would we get the audience we'd want for the Summit?
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stpeter
and I could work with IETF to get the XMPP meeting on Monday
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bear
that will be sad for those of us who normally go to oscon :(
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
not sure what to do
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stpeter
or y'all can meet in Portland, but I can't join
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stpeter
(nor can some others, I'd think, who are involved in IETF stuff -- Joe Hildebrand etc.)
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bear
most of the core summit folk will be missing - it would be a "hey, this is xmpp" type event
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stpeter
not that you need me to be there necessarily
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stpeter
maybe a hackathon would be more productive in some ways anyway
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stpeter
I'm still interested in that XMPP validator :)
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Florian
:)
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Florian
well ... if we do it before OSCON
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stpeter
I think I can also raise money for the validator
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Florian
Sat / Sun ... would people be willing to come to the Summit?
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bear
I had wanted to continue the work we started last time, but the core folks will be missing
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Florian
in QC
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bear
we should mail the members and find out
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stpeter
QC is a bit hard to get to, but easier for folks in Europe perhaps
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will.sheward
Let's mail and see if anyone has strong views
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stpeter
Florian: we could potentially do Friday and Saturday in QC
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
next item, "Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001" -- I think we can discuss that next time
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stpeter
we had discussion on the members@ list
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stpeter
I'd like to poll the Council about that at its next meeting
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stpeter
then ask the Board to perhaps take action
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Florian
sounds good.
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bear
+1
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stpeter
"Public services list" we already discussed
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stpeter
briefly about "Trademark sublicensing applications" -- I will put three applications in the tracker at http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/TRADEMARKS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aopenissues-panel for discussion by the Board at its next meeting
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Florian
ok
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Florian
can someone give me an account on there?
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stpeter
I have reached out to all the projects listed on our website that have "JABBER" in the name
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will.sheward
Ok
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stpeter
Florian: yes, will do in a minute
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Florian
great, thanks
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stpeter
Florian: in fact you have an account
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stpeter
it's tied to your florianjensen.com address
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Florian
ah, ok
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stpeter
username florian
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Florian
strange ... but will check :)
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Florian
thx
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stpeter
you can ask for a password reset
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bear
blogging?
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stpeter
bear: in Brussels, Johann Prieur volunteered to post to the identi.ca / Twitter account
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bear
will he be working from a set list of topics or doing it adhoc?
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stpeter
do we want to just hand out credentials to those accounts, or set up a bot that people can post to?
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stpeter
adhoc, I think
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stpeter
so we need to think about how we want to do that
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bear
a bot would allow for single source for credentials and be able to add/remove cleanly IMO
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stpeter
e.g., do we want to have something of a communications plan / program for microblogging and blogging?
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will.sheward
Adhoc +1
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stpeter
bear: agreed
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Florian
AdHoc +1
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stpeter
I mean, we can always coach people on topics
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bear
I would love to have items go to the list for possible preparation but adhoc for sure
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will.sheward
Well never get a coms plan off the ground
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bear
and the bot could also post to the list
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Kev
We've got a whole comm *team*
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Kev
And very active it is too.
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stpeter
it's hard to plan for microblogging -- it's supposed to be a spontaneous kind of activity :)
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Kev
I'd suggest not adding too many barriers to entry in light of this!
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stpeter
Kev: indeed
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bear
i'm more worried about having it seem like spam if 5 people all post in a day on the same topic
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will.sheward
Trust the team to plan itself I think
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bear
+1 for comm team assignment
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Florian
+1
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bear
let them tell us what they need
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stpeter
WFM
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stpeter
but the bot would help -- let's poke that iteam
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bear
:)
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stpeter
I think we had a similar bot at one point, didn't we?
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stpeter
I'll poke Matthew Wild about that
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stpeter
I think he had a similar bot
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
so that's it from me
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will.sheward
+1 for poking people other than me
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stpeter
heh
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Florian
nothing to add here
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will.sheward
Or here
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stpeter
we have some action items
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stpeter
next meeting?
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stpeter
is it in the calendar already?
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stpeter
2 weeks from today I will be flying to New Jersey for a W3C workshop on web tracking and user privacy
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Florian
next week?
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stpeter
3 weeks from today I will be flying back from the IESG retreat in Amsterdam
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Florian
as Jack and Nyco were missing?
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stpeter
that's fine with me
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bear
next week works for me
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Florian
+1
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will.sheward
Ok
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Florian
great
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stpeter
I'll check the typewith.me page here in a second so we can capture all the action items
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will.sheward
We done? gavel banging tinne?
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stpeter
yep
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stpeter
seems so
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will.sheward
Time
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Florian
cools ... thanks everyone
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bear
thanks
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stpeter
yes, thanks
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bear
any changes to the meeting notes?
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Florian
none from me
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bear
who is mailing the list for the summit poll?
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stpeter
bear: checking
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stpeter
minutes look good
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stpeter
thanks for that
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bear
np
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stpeter
calendar updated
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bear
i'll email the comm team about bot
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bear
can someone who is familiar with the QC IETF meeting compose the poll question
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stpeter
bear: ok thanks
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stpeter
bear: I can send the poll, sure
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bear
thanks
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stpeter
message sent to members@
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stpeter
I'll forward to summit@ too
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bear
I emailed the comm team also
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stpeter
I saw
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stpeter
thanks
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