XSF Discussion - 2011-04-13

FYI board meeting in 1 hour (if my calendar is accurate)

Thanks.

board meeting in 15 minutes

meeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS

are you doing the twitter'ing stpeter?

howdy

I can, yes

thanks

I was busy writing an email message to the Board about possible discussion topics

heh

so I mentioned several possible topics: 1. GScC update 2. Summit #11 3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001 4. Voxeo page for website 5. Public services list 6. Microblogging / blogging 7. Trademark sublicensing applications

noodle on those, I'll be right back

k

evening all

hi Florian!

hello

Mr. Sheward and I can also give a report on the website -- I think we're finished with http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes and can think about what new pages to add, if desired

Evening

any sign of Jack or Nÿco?

evening Will :)

just poked jack

ok

yes, he's online

don't see nyco online

Anyone know what's happened to collecta?

me n'either

at least at his current address -- Jack seems to move around a lot :)

will.sheward: presumably Jack can tell us

I don't know the story

jack is in SF all week doing contract work for Yammer

so he will be missing this one

ok

let's go?

May need to remove the collect widget from the home page

time to start then

some of my items will really be for discussion in 2 weeks, they are organizational right now

s/discussion/decisions/

meeting notes are here: http://typewith.me/mLIIGK2glS

here is what I posted earlier: 0. Website update 1. GScC update 2. Summit #11 3. Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001 4. Voxeo page for website 5. Public services list 6. Microblogging / blogging 7. Trademark sublicensing applications

typewith.me is nice

ok

looks good

We can combine 0 and 4 I think

nod

so GSoC first?

sure

we received the 7 slots we asked for

great

working with the python gsoc group to fit in some of their xmpp related projects

we have 4 really solid students so far

and kev is whipping into shape some of the others to see if they will make it in

heh

Do we not have enough of our own?

my hunch is that we will have 5 or 6 solids

do we need to use all 7 slots?

I'd prefer to have fewer solid students

we have a lot of really iffy applications

if needed

We asked for 7 because that's the number that the mentors asked for.

last year we had 3

IIRC

Iffy I'm what way?

4 the mentors said were outstanding, 3 more the mentors said were good and they wanted.

In

will.sheward: Nothing more than usual. Not all applications are good.

will.sheward: yes you are iffy

stpeter: 3, we asked for another and got it.

most were just from students who gave little to no thought on their app and then were not heard from again

will.sheward: the scent of money attracts some flaky students

hell, I was a flaky student myself once :)

hehe

Ok

This year the scheme was changed to ask for the number of outstanding (4) students and the number you'd like (7) in an ideal world.

We got all 7.

so typically we need to weed out a lot of chaff

If a mentor changes their mind about wanting their student, we give the slot back and Carol hands it out to another org.

yep

that works fine

hi Emil

anything else related to gsoc?

We can't discuss what the applications were here, but Board are welcome to sign up to Melange and look at them there.

Yes.

We need to devote significantly more effort to it next year.

hmm

it's always a lot of work

Trust me, I know.

is it becoming even more work? :)

Well, if we want to get more high quality students, we need to attract them somehow.

the mentor side is more work this year

bear: Based on what?

the org admin side is minimal

Ahem.

heh

Heh

just seeing how busy you are chasing students and mentors

Yes, that's org admin work :)

:p

hey Peter :)

Between mentor and org admin, my effort's been measured in hours/day for the last few weeks.

But anyway.

The reward of getting new contributors to the projects is, I think, significant and worthwhile.

Kev: every year we say we need to plan more fully, and either we don't do the planning or we neglect to capture lessons learned from the previous year...

So we can not do any more recruiting than we normally do, and that's fine.

so we need to get better at that

stpeter: Well, myself and people from KDE/Gentoo/X.org have been writing a series of lessons on the Google Open Source blog for that.

and I'm part of the problem, so I'm volunteering to help

Kev: excellent

http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/04/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html for exampel.

i'm also part of the problem to be blunt - I have been giving minimal support and will fix that

Anyway. We've had an apathy from projects this year. Swift, Buddycloud and PySoy have each put in considerable work and have as a consequence got great proposals.

right

you get out what you put in

Others less so, and I'd really like us to have more active projects.

yep

yeah

but that's a bigger problem

And the OneSocialWeb incident was *not* good.

I think we need to put into the calendar a couple months *before* the signup to start banging the drum about the next one

bear: Yes, that was what I was going to suggest.

stpeter - can you add a "tickler" event to the calendar for next year?

I was thinking just an hour ago or so that we don't have a lot of active projects, and that's a problem, but it's a bigger problem than GSoC

bear: yes

stpeter: indeed ...

stpeter: True, although GSoC is a great opportunity for projects to become active.

maybe we can use the gsoc project list as a bit of guilt for the others - start really talking them up

hey ... this might be something ...

why not let us organize something post GSoC?

i.e. the XMPP Winter of Code :p

When fringe groups (And I'm not using the term derogitavely) like BC and PySoy are getting better applications for XMPP than anyone other than Swift, it's a sad sad sign.

better is the wrong description.

More XSF-relevant.

can we move this discussion to the list for followup

+1

Sure, I don't have much more :)

k

Then we need to define what is relevant well before the event

Kev: thanks for sharing :)

bear: I put it on my calendar for October 10 so that we can raise this topic with the incoming Board at that time

stpeter - can you add will's comment to the tickler

will.sheward: We do. We should generaly be more engaged further in advance.

right

ok, next - website update?

ok

sure

so Will and I finished http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes

that took longer than expected, but most things do :)

Well, you mostly

the last pages to be fixed were related to the public services

now at http://xmpp.org/resources/public-services/

we've had discussion on the operators@ list about that

and some volunteers

open question how to manage that going forward

and whether we need more features

Volunteers,good

but I think we at least have a path to updating it more often

not sure how to sync the WP page with the .xml file that clients use

We/I still need to sort out the sponsor stuff..was planning to delete non sponsors tomorrow

but we can work that out

will.sheward: ok good

will.sheward: and we need a page for Voxeo

As the CEO is on holiday :-)

heh

Voxeo, check

will.sheward: by "check" do you mean you'll come up with content?

will.sheward: the sponsor pages are typically brief

Yes

ok

thank you

gret

Then I'll check with the sponsor for changes

super

anything else on the website?

we talked about recruiting maintainers for various sections

Tunnels coming up, may lose you for a few minutes

I updated the history page recently http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/history/

ok

moving on to the Summit, then

ok

OSCON is directly opposite the IETF meeting in Quebec City

I am wondering about holding the Summit in QC

e.g., Saturday and Sunday before IETF meeting

interesting

QC is nice

would we get the audience we'd want for the Summit?

and I could work with IETF to get the XMPP meeting on Monday

that will be sad for those of us who normally go to oscon :(

yeah

not sure what to do

or y'all can meet in Portland, but I can't join

(nor can some others, I'd think, who are involved in IETF stuff -- Joe Hildebrand etc.)

most of the core summit folk will be missing - it would be a "hey, this is xmpp" type event

not that you need me to be there necessarily

maybe a hackathon would be more productive in some ways anyway

I'm still interested in that XMPP validator :)

:)

well ... if we do it before OSCON

I think I can also raise money for the validator

Sat / Sun ... would people be willing to come to the Summit?

I had wanted to continue the work we started last time, but the core folks will be missing

in QC

we should mail the members and find out

QC is a bit hard to get to, but easier for folks in Europe perhaps

Let's mail and see if anyone has strong views

Florian: we could potentially do Friday and Saturday in QC

ok

next item, "Removing "proposed" state from XEP-0001" -- I think we can discuss that next time

we had discussion on the members@ list

I'd like to poll the Council about that at its next meeting

then ask the Board to perhaps take action

sounds good.

+1

"Public services list" we already discussed

briefly about "Trademark sublicensing applications" -- I will put three applications in the tracker at http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/TRADEMARKS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aopenissues-panel for discussion by the Board at its next meeting

ok

can someone give me an account on there?

I have reached out to all the projects listed on our website that have "JABBER" in the name

Ok

Florian: yes, will do in a minute

great, thanks

Florian: in fact you have an account

it's tied to your florianjensen.com address

ah, ok

username florian

strange ... but will check :)

thx

you can ask for a password reset

blogging?

bear: in Brussels, Johann Prieur volunteered to post to the identi.ca / Twitter account

will he be working from a set list of topics or doing it adhoc?

do we want to just hand out credentials to those accounts, or set up a bot that people can post to?

adhoc, I think

so we need to think about how we want to do that

a bot would allow for single source for credentials and be able to add/remove cleanly IMO

e.g., do we want to have something of a communications plan / program for microblogging and blogging?

Adhoc +1

bear: agreed

AdHoc +1

I mean, we can always coach people on topics

I would love to have items go to the list for possible preparation but adhoc for sure

Well never get a coms plan off the ground

and the bot could also post to the list

We've got a whole comm *team*

And very active it is too.

it's hard to plan for microblogging -- it's supposed to be a spontaneous kind of activity :)

I'd suggest not adding too many barriers to entry in light of this!

Kev: indeed

i'm more worried about having it seem like spam if 5 people all post in a day on the same topic

Trust the team to plan itself I think

+1 for comm team assignment

+1

let them tell us what they need

WFM

but the bot would help -- let's poke that iteam

:)

I think we had a similar bot at one point, didn't we?

I'll poke Matthew Wild about that

I think he had a similar bot

ok

so that's it from me

+1 for poking people other than me

heh

nothing to add here

Or here

we have some action items

next meeting?

is it in the calendar already?

2 weeks from today I will be flying to New Jersey for a W3C workshop on web tracking and user privacy

next week?

3 weeks from today I will be flying back from the IESG retreat in Amsterdam

as Jack and Nyco were missing?

that's fine with me

next week works for me

+1

Ok

great

I'll check the typewith.me page here in a second so we can capture all the action items

We done? gavel banging tinne?

yep

seems so

Time

cools ... thanks everyone

thanks

yes, thanks

any changes to the meeting notes?

none from me

who is mailing the list for the summit poll?

bear: checking

minutes look good

thanks for that

np

calendar updated

i'll email the comm team about bot

can someone who is familiar with the QC IETF meeting compose the poll question

bear: ok thanks

bear: I can send the poll, sure

thanks

message sent to members@

I'll forward to summit@ too

I emailed the comm team also

I saw

thanks