XSF Discussion - 2011-05-11

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  34. Florian so ... 1hr13mins until the board meeting, right?
  35. stpeter yes
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  40. bear http://typewith.me/GgkwnF2D5f
  41. bear 5 minutes to board meeting
  42. Florian we're here :)
  43. Florian well, I'm here :)
  44. bear :)
  45. stpeter me too!
  46. Florian pinged Will
  47. stpeter ok
  48. stpeter Jack is online
  49. Florian yup, just pinged him too :)
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  51. stpeter and Nÿco?
  52. Florian can't see him online?
  53. bear stpeter - what kind of feedback are you looking for in regards to the trademark items? yea/nea votes, long rambling treatises or other verbage, hostility?
  54. stpeter bear: just +1/-1
  55. stpeter naturally, if folks have concerns then express
  56. stpeter express them
  57. bear ah, sorry if that was a repeat question
  58. Florian ok :)
  59. stpeter such concerns might lead to treatises
  60. stpeter but I doubt it
  61. jack +1 on both from me.
  62. Florian +1 from me too :)
  63. bear +1 for me
  64. bear i'll summarize in the bug thenafter the meeting
  65. stpeter I'm working to clean up the trademark stuff
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  67. Florian so ... should we start the meeting officially?
  68. bear I don't see Will or Nyco online - should we start?
  69. stpeter in the minutes we can ask for feedback from Will and Nÿco in the next few days
  70. Florian Don't seem to get a response from Will or Nyco
  71. stpeter (about the ™ stuff)
  72. bear ok, let's start and they can respond via email
  73. stpeter nod
  74. Florian +1 :)
  75. bear any agenda bashing?
  76. stpeter I thought you had started :)
  77. bear oops
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  79. stpeter n/p
  80. stpeter my confusion
  81. bear just me being chatty
  82. bear k, trademarks
  83. bear looks like we need to get others to +1/-1 in email and we will ask via minutes email for them
  84. bear anything else on trademarks?
  85. Florian not here
  86. bear ok
  87. Florian so, the FOSDEM Dev Challenge Winner ...
  88. Florian added the info there ...
  89. bear thanks for updating the notes on the winner
  90. Florian the App should appear in the app store soon
  91. bear can you do a blog post about it or forward me info and I'll draft one
  92. Florian will do
  93. bear any questions about this item?
  94. Florian not from me:)
  95. bear k
  96. Florian next, GSoC Update?
  97. bear pastes
  98. bear GSoC: we have 5 students and things are pre-crazy calm while everyone finishes school and preps for start more activity will happen by end of week when I start emailing and talking about schedules after conferring with Kevin about them
  99. bear basically it's the calm before the storm
  100. Florian ok :)
  101. bear once kev and I have a plan on communication and "check points" then we will get busy :)
  102. bear k, xmpp summit NA
  103. Florian yeah, sorry, just added that now :)
  104. Florian so, it's looking grim ...
  105. Florian or did I miss something?
  106. stpeter BTW, some OAuth folks also noted the unfortunate overlap between OSCON and IETF 81
  107. Florian so, I personally think it's a pity that there is no summit going on ... but then I wouldn't be able to attend anyway :p
  108. Florian so, my idea was ... local meetups
  109. Florian there's one it seems in SFO
  110. bear one was yesterday
  111. Florian right
  112. stpeter I do think local meetups are a good idea
  113. stpeter which one happened yesterday?
  114. Florian how about doing a global local meetup :)
  115. stpeter bear and I had a meetup about 10 days ago :)
  116. bear :)
  117. Florian Global Local Meetups: Smaller meetups of XMPP peeps in different places, on a day, and then using modern real-time technology, do something together
  118. Florian or at least overlap some stuff
  119. bear there was a pre-google io meeting at CitizenSpace
  120. bear put together by a bunch of folks
  121. Florian we could also use that to promote Jingle a bit :)
  122. Florian and possibly even MuJi
  123. stpeter open discussion day would be a good time for a meetup
  124. Florian when's that?
  125. stpeter May 19
  126. stpeter http://xmpp.org/2011/05/open-discussion-day-19-may-2011/
  127. Florian ouch ... bit short notice :/
  128. stpeter nod
  129. bear i'm being pulled into a work meeting
  130. stpeter ok
  131. Florian ok
  132. bear i'll post the meeting minutes after I'm done if someone can update the typewithme notes
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  134. Florian well, if you guys don't mind, I'll post some ideas about this to the ML
  135. stpeter a broader issue is whether we need to hold two summits each year
  136. stpeter the FOSDEM one is always successfuly
  137. stpeter s/y//
  138. Florian yeah, I think so too
  139. Florian but I know there's some interest in a UK one ...
  140. stpeter but the North American one not so much
  141. Florian so maybe doing "local" meetups and linking everyone together would be cool
  142. Florian a bit like the Interop event
  143. stpeter right
  144. Florian just more in shorter time
  145. Florian a MUC room, meetups around the world
  146. Florian and possibly Jingle Calls to different locations
  147. Florian and this could include talks, etc.
  148. Florian also easier to archive then, i.e. they're filmed
  149. stpeter true
  150. Florian but yeah, sometime in June or July?
  151. stpeter although the a/v stuff isn't easy
  152. Florian it's not, hence the 19th of May is difficult :)
  153. Florian but there's this one company that does online meetings
  154. stpeter yeah
  155. Florian :)
  156. stpeter :P
  157. Florian and a single camera is quite easy
  158. stpeter see also http://www.meetecho.com/
  159. stpeter they use XMPP for their text chat
  160. Florian interesting
  161. stpeter I met some of those guys in Prague at the last IETF meeting
  162. Florian I personally would love to use Jingle :)
  163. stpeter nod
  164. stpeter for sure
  165. Florian did some calls with Thiago over the relay ... super fast
  166. Florian i.e. latency faster than a phone call
  167. Florian it was immense
  168. stpeter what client did you use?
  169. Florian Jitsi / SIP Comm
  170. stpeter nod
  171. stpeter that seems to be the most advanced Jingle client
  172. Florian so that's an option
  173. Florian yeah
  174. stpeter I need to ping Thiago about an updated XEP for Jingle Nodes
  175. Florian :)
  176. jack i'm also beign pulled away now. i'll followup in email if there is anything mroe in the miinutes.
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  178. stpeter there is also http://www.aim.com/google-chat-changes
  179. stpeter http://typewith.me/GgkwnF2D5f seems OK but we can let bear send out the minutes
  180. Florian aaah!
  181. Florian so yeah, should I drop an E-mail about it to the board list, to figure out if and how we do that instead?
  182. stpeter or members@xmpp.org
  183. stpeter wider discussion
  184. Florian yup, fine by me
  185. Florian and should we say that the XMPP Summit NA is off the table then?
  186. stpeter see: $ dig +short -t SRV _xmpp-server._tcp.aol.com 0 1 5269 xmpp.gxmpp.oscar.aol.com.
  187. stpeter yes
  188. stpeter I think so
  189. Florian ok
  190. stpeter phone call, brb
  191. Florian k :)
  192. bear looks at minutes and preps email
  193. bear florian - would love to work up some blog posts on the messy details of getting jingle working for us normal client folk
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  196. stpeter bear: I like that idea!
  197. bear yea, I was talking with a friend and we were wondering how to do it
  198. bear I want to start putting some good ol' public shaming pressure on client and server devs
  199. bear hopes he spelled shame'ing properly
  200. stpeter yep
  201. stpeter yep to spelling, yep to shaming :)
  202. bear hehe
  203. bear if google can do voice and video calls on a tablet, then xmpp open source world should be able to do it!
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