stpeteris deep in a review of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xcon-common-data-model/ but will break away as needed
bear
I don't think we have anything to discuss TBH
Kev
GSoC?
bear
an update, sure - but since i've all but tossed you under the bus with my dayjob distraction... you would ahve to do that
Kev
Are we intending providing students with books again this year?
bear
which should be clearing up by friday
bear
i'll add that to the agenda
stpeter
it seems that we might be able to declare consensus on the trademark applications -- three in favor, none against by my reading of the last meeting
bearadds that to meeting
bear
err agenda
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bear
i'm +1 for books to GSoC students
bear
I don't think any are in China this year, so shipping should be a lot easier
stpeter
did someone get reimbursed for shipping the last time?
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Kev
Bear did the ordering last year.
stpeter
on the phone, brb
Kev
I'm assuming/hoping he claimed it back.
bear
nope - wrote it of as a "donation"
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bear
going to give folks a couple of minutes before starting
will.sheward
give us time to read the extensive agenda :-)
stpeter
back
Florian
back
bear
http://typewith.me/Vl9ItsS33A
bear
shall we start?
stpeter
sure thing
Florian
sure
stpeterfinds http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/110511/#17:04:21 about the trademark applications
bear
yea, I updated the bugs to show the +1's
will.sheward
my feedback : +1
bear
sounds like we can declare consensus for those two applications
stpeter
will.sheward: ok
stpeter
yep
stpeter
I'll process them as "usual" (haven't processed any in a while)
bear
Kev was going to ask if it's ok to send books to the GSoC Students like we did last year
bear
we send 3 books (IIRC) to each student - would be the same list this year
stpeterwonders what Tobias has done with all of his extra books
will.sheward
which books?
Tobias
:D
bear
I"m digging up that list now
Tobias
i'm also +1 on books :D
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jack
board meeting time?
stpeter
I think it's a good thing to do (sending the books)
stpeter
jack: yep
Florian
I agree
Kev
The list was TDG, PP and GTD.
Florian
lol
Tobias
not again
Tobias
:)
will.sheward
GTD :-)
Kev
Tobias: Maybe you wouldn't need another set.
bear
which one is PP
jack
what's PP?
will.sheward
hence the question, if theyve already got the titles, shouldn't we send something else?
Tobias
Kev: it it's that exact set....
bear
tobias is, I think, the only one who would be getting doubles
jack
I really like hte Pomodoro book from pragprog as an altnerative to GTD
Kev
PP = Pragmatic Programmer.
will.sheward
i cant believe there isn't a single person in the woorld who hasn't already got a (signed) copy of TDG
jack
as an alternative to PP there is also the passionate programmer or whatever
jack
or Code Complete
jack
or Coders at Work
Tobias
will.sheward: +1 on different books :)
jack
Coders at Work is a fun one for sure
Kev
I haven't read any of the ones Jack's named. I picked the above set because they're favourites of mine. If other books have equivalent content and a champion I'm happy.
bear
can everyone send to the mailing list their short list of books and i'll collate and pick the top 3?
Kev
No.
Kev
:p
Tobias
heh
bear
:)
jack
Mythical Man Month is also a classic and a nice read
Kev
I do have that one.
Kev
I'm not sure which of the three categories it really fits into, though.
jack
it's the theoretical version of GTD :)
Tobias
theoretical...i hear...*boooring* ;)
Florian
lol
bear
anything else for gsoc book discussion?
bear
do we have any other agenda items?
Kev
As long as it ends up being a book on XMPP, a book on being a sensible dev, and a book on doing sensible things with time, I'm ok with whatever choices people come up with (as long as they've read them!).
jack
i'll shamelessly suggest my book as an alternative to TDG if there is someone who already has TDG :)
bear
+1
Tobias
how about beautiful testing?
Kev
Honestly, if there was someone doing web stuff I was going to suggest yours instead of TDG Jack.
Kev
I did go to buy a copy for myself until I saw they wanted something like $40 for a DRMd ebook :)
bear
unless someone has another item to cover, we are pretty much done for this meeting
will.sheward
nothing here
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bear
thanks all - next meeting in two weeks - same time
stpeter
excellent
stpetergoes back to the joy that is http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xcon-common-data-model-27
bear
you have all the *fun*
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Kev
Tobias: I'd be inclined to speak to Remko about Beautiful Testing before requesting it, BTW, in case he has thoughts on the matter.