XSF Discussion - 2011-08-17

just got done with an all night server maintenance

will try to be alive/awake for meeting

Hi, sorry I'm late guys, I currently have no Internet.

Ping?

You're an hour early aren't you?

Oh, am I?

You're the one on Board, you tell me :)

Well, seeing as I currently have no iCal or real E-mail... Your guess is as good as mine

Much better, it seems :p

Flosoft London is running off a N900 Hotspot :)

so it's good that we've got the new guy :)

bear: you around?

right, 30 minutes to go

ok, conference calls finished for now, bbiaf

Cools :)

is there an agenda somewhere i should be looking at?

not that I know of

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board

right

thanks

Looks like I'm still online :)

Last note I saw from Bear was that he'd been working all night, but would make it, ISTR.

hi Wayne

Not entirely convinced he's here, though...

Hi Peter

Hmmm

hi all

let me see if I have a phone number for bear

Bear's status is encouraging us to leave a message. Should we?

Why not

"Dear Bear, here are the things we decided you need to do....."

Should we go the?

it seems that I do have a number for him, from when I met him for dinner a few months ago

I wonder if you can add the XSF ED and Council Chair together as sort of half a Board member each, to get 1 + 1 + 1/2 + 1/2 for quorum...

(my connection seems to be intermittent.... It just sends messages in batches)

i think we'd need a quorum to vote on that change Kev

Will: lol

I just called bear

he's on his way

Awesome

I think he wasn't completely happy about my waking him from his slumbers :)

:)

brb

:)

no, I needed to be up, had slept thru the first alarm

.

Hey bear :)

ok, can we start now then?

bear: lead us

Is stpeter back?

k, let me get the etherpad going

I'm here

Let's go then?

http://typewith.me/XePBXea4Yk

Actually ... Brb

Removing the push thingy

Back

hmm, what am I doing here from a different account?

ok, ready to go?

On my end, yes

yup

the agenda was suggested, any changes or additions?

Not from me

ok, ... let's start

there might be AOB items at the end, I suppose

sure

the first item is a request by ludvic to be added to the commteam

do we have a commteam? :)

that is normally something I would toss over to the comm team leader, but they have been silent

if so, seems fine to me

not really

right

he wants to start making corrections to the wiki and posting to the blog

Yah, was wondering too if that still existed

no problems with adding, but Nico was runing this and he's been awol for a while

anyone who wants to write for the blog should be encouraged

Yup

I told him we needed to be "polite" to the existing leader and ask first before just doing it by fiat

My opinion on the blogging has been to get one person to write an article, post it for review somewhere sensible (probably still the commteam list) and then to push it once it's had time to stew.

Yup

Kev: +1

I don't see any reason to discourage people from writing articles in that scenario.

ok, let me reach out to Nico and see how he is doing and then start by having him start posting for review

any issues with adding him to commteam on the tracker so he can start working on some of the bugs?

I can set up an authors account, or whatever they're called if he pokes me.

(Or I guess lots of people can)

k, I will email him

sound a good

*sounds

i'll also reach out to nico via email and see how he is doing

ok thanks

I thought I saw a Twit saying Nyco was going on a tour of the world or something.

sounds like fun

Or a post to + or LinkedIn, or whatever.

Ah, or that he's back, possibly.

k, next?

jingle interop event

Sounds like something we should encourage

evidently it's something that he has been told requires something from the board

That was probably me.

really?

anyone familiar with this?

He wanted it to be an official XSF-run event, which I think requires the Board to approve it.

I wonder if Google would be interested in sponsoring such an event...

do we need the board to appriove it?

sorry, organise it?

Where would it be?

Just approve it and make sure someone's responsible for organising it, I think.

doing this in conjuction with a Summit seems to make sense

+1

+1

hi

+1

hi Nÿco!

hey Nyconyco

hello!

My thought on it needing Board to agree was just saying "This is something the XSF sanctions" sounds like a Board action.

+1

apologies to all for being completely missing these times

Else I'll be holding an XSF-sanctioned "give cakes to Kevin event" :)

Nÿco: Howdy :)

do we have an upcoming summit or event that would work for an interop?

not really

bear: I'd expect we will hold a Summit at FOSDEM again

What about something end September

And the. The summit

6 weeks from now?

Or October?

too soon surely

I.e. 4x / year

I'll be in Taipei in mid-November, does that work for everyone? ;-)

:P

With one around the two summits

stpeter: and why not the FSCONS ? :D

we could hold an online interop event and then an IRL interop event at the next Summit

when is fosdem?

Sounds good

feb

so we could hold an online one oct/nov

as a prep for the physical one

Yup

right

that seems realistic

+1 for that :)

yes

as I said, we need to reach out to folks on the Google Talk team because they have the biggest Jingle deployment...

Yup

should I suggest to him that he start driving the members list on what would be part of the online one

and once the beginnings of an agenda starts happening then we can drive towards a date

no use picking a date if no one will be around

Yup

does anyone want to help drive this?

I'm happy to reach out to the Google guys

Me :)

+1 to florian organising stuff

I'll get on it ASAP.... When normal service resumes over here

cool - thanks

organizing the online event shouldn't be *too* hard -- we won't need to set up servers like we did the last time

yea, and reaching out to the google folks seems like a must-have

It will need some sort of test criteria, which was where the last one fell short.

it would help to have a relay server in place

Kev: yes

Yeh

heck, it would be a success if it's just a good survey of what's out there

And someone will presumably need to set up some hostile networks for testing.

hostile?

Mobile

NAT, firewall, NAT with UPnP, mobile, etc.

NAT

Right :)

ah ok

I can assist with my vm server at flosoft and also by starting some stuff here at home

especially those kind of NATs that are strange..not default home gateway NATs, everybody has those

;)

sounds like a busy end-of-summer for Florian

Hehe

ok, anything else before moving on to next?

Hehe

Not here

k

he wanted to talk about adding his new wordpress plugin that allows for xmpp auth to the xsf site

-1

my concern is 1) do we even need it and 2) has it been looked at

The XSF site is not really public

for the former... yea, I don't see a need for it at all

And the people who need a login, have one

I plan to deploy that at my blog for testing purposes

Jehan also has a test site set up

I'd say, no need

ok, my thought is no then, any disagreement?

+1 to "no"

http://demo.zemarmot.net/wp/2011/08/08/hello-world/

potentially we could use this for voting purposes (no more memberbot), but it's probably not ready for primetime quite yet

that would be an interesting use case

basically it lets you post comments if you have a JID

:)

anyway I'll deploy it at my blog and report back

ok, thanks

Ok :)

someone has added "Jappix on xmpp.org" to the agenda

What's Jappix?

Web client come social network thing.

yea, just googled it myself

bear: it is me. http://jappix.com

ahh

I'd say, no for xmpp.org

What benefit does putting this on xmpp.org give?

Maybe Jorg, but that's up to iTeam

Or BOFH

Whichever

neustradamus - I don't see a need for it on the main xmpp.org site, is there somehting specific you wanted to have with it?

hmm, they want my password in order to use it?

what about OAuth?

the idea is nice, though

bear: yes, and for jabber.org (ITeam persons are here) ?

Neustradamus: jabber.org isn't an XSF service - so it's not iTeam.

this sounds like something we may need some discussion on the mailing list first

Kev: yes.

Bear: +1

+1

let's discuss on list

neustradamus - can I ask that you start a discussion on the mailing list about this?

About xmpp.org: the principal for me, it is to show that a simple XMPP web client exist. but I understand ;)

Want to try it ... So give me a week :)

I would like to have a web client at jabber.org

bear: yes of course.

thanks

stpeter: Yes, but let's get BOSH set up first.

Nÿco: are you ok about me ?

Kev: right

we haven't talked about you joining the comm team with Nÿco yet :)

can you email Nÿco and start that discussion?

bear: in private, Nÿco is ok.

Next item?

cool, he can let me (or iTeam) know and we will start making the changes

stpeter: :)

ok, that's the last of the known agenda items - anything to add/discuss?

I wish that pgm had named conference.jabber.org something more friendly, like rooms.jabber.org

Kev: GSoC?

We can easily change this. Or add rooms.

stpeter, we need MUC redirectigng :) then we can simply rename it and have the users going to the old one be redirected :) HTTP has it

Tobias: true :)

I don't have much to say about GSoC other than complaining that AFAICT the books haven't been sorted out and it's now too late.

Tobias: good idea !

It ends this week, we'll be able to announce people's success or otherwise once Google do.

yes, the books issue was me completely messing up

Remko and I are considering going to the Mentors summit, for a change.

that would be great if you did

I don't think we've ever sent anyone to that meeting

We (XSF) usually don't send anyone because no-one likes travelling, but I've been doing it too long without ever meeting the other people involved, and it'd be good to change that.

yes, I think that would be great

It'd mean the XSF buying plane trips for Remko and me, and then Google reimbursing, but, having checked with our ED, that shouldn't be a problem financially.

+1

+1

right, we have almost $10k in the bank

Kev, doesn't google cover travel?

Tobias: Yes, read above :)

they do, but you pay and then they reimburse you

they do, you just have to expense it

ahh..ok..misread

I don't have much else to say about GSoC, unless people have questionses.

stpeter - are we ok with helping cover travel costs up front?

i think so, yes

seems fine to me -- gotta put the money to work somehow

I think it'd be a Good Thing to finally get some visibility.

right

We tend to be fairly insular in our approach to GSoC.

XSF has been in GSoC from beginning right?

I'm not sure how we'll handle payments, but we'll figure that out

Tobias: Not sure - was the first year '05 or '04?

I was a student in '06, and I think that was the second year the XSF participated.

06

*05

Yes then, since the start (barring our year out).

the first year was 2005 -- I still have the T-shirt

Kev, which year was that?

ok

haven't received a shirt yet :)

Tobias: '09, I think.

so we're at one hour since scheduled start time :)

bear: End of September, I think.

Kev, ahh right...that matched perfectly with the year I could not participate anyway :P

ok, that appears to be it - anything else to discuss?

Not from me.

+1 for adjourning

Hope

*nope

nothing here, +1 for going home :-)

+1 for lunch

Thanks guys.

thanks all again for a great meeting

Thanks all

Pub time

minutes look fine

I see some small edits happenign - will wait a bit before sending

bear: I'm done with edits to the minutes

cool - thanks

:)

bear: sorry to have called you, it's never a good idea to poke a bear that's just emerging from hibernation :)

heheh

I needed to get up for work, so you saved me from missing a work meeting that is starting in a bit

stpeter: :D

That doesn't sound like a good thing.

they knew I was up all night working on a server issue

so would have covered me if anything was needed

minutes emailed, off to dayjob items

ok, time for lunch, or breakfast for bear

food in some form for sure

http://xmpp.org/calendar/ updated