XSF Discussion - 2011-08-17

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  4. bear

    just got done with an all night server maintenance

  5. bear

    will try to be alive/awake for meeting

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  9. Florian

    Hi, sorry I'm late guys, I currently have no Internet.

  10. Florian


  11. Kev

    You're an hour early aren't you?

  12. Florian

    Oh, am I?

  13. Kev

    You're the one on Board, you tell me :)

  14. Florian

    Well, seeing as I currently have no iCal or real E-mail... Your guess is as good as mine

  15. Kev

    Much better, it seems :p

  16. Florian

    Flosoft London is running off a N900 Hotspot :)

  17. Florian

    so it's good that we've got the new guy :)

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  19. Florian

    bear: you around?

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  22. stpeter

    right, 30 minutes to go

  23. stpeter

    ok, conference calls finished for now, bbiaf

  24. Florian

    Cools :)

  25. Will

    is there an agenda somewhere i should be looking at?

  26. stpeter

    not that I know of

  27. Kev


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  30. Will


  31. Florian

    Looks like I'm still online :)

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  33. Kev

    Last note I saw from Bear was that he'd been working all night, but would make it, ISTR.

  34. stpeter

    hi Wayne

  35. Kev

    Not entirely convinced he's here, though...

  36. Wayne Franklin

    Hi Peter

  37. Florian


  38. Neustradamus

    hi all

  39. stpeter

    let me see if I have a phone number for bear

  40. Will

    Bear's status is encouraging us to leave a message. Should we?

  41. Florian

    Why not

  42. Will

    "Dear Bear, here are the things we decided you need to do....."

  43. Florian

    Should we go the?

  44. stpeter

    it seems that I do have a number for him, from when I met him for dinner a few months ago

  45. Kev

    I wonder if you can add the XSF ED and Council Chair together as sort of half a Board member each, to get 1 + 1 + 1/2 + 1/2 for quorum...

  46. Florian

    (my connection seems to be intermittent.... It just sends messages in batches)

  47. Will

    i think we'd need a quorum to vote on that change Kev

  48. Florian

    Will: lol

  49. stpeter

    I just called bear

  50. stpeter

    he's on his way

  51. Florian


  52. stpeter

    I think he wasn't completely happy about my waking him from his slumbers :)

  53. Florian


  54. stpeter


  55. bear


  56. bear

    no, I needed to be up, had slept thru the first alarm

  57. Florian


  58. Florian

    Hey bear :)

  59. Will

    ok, can we start now then?

  60. Will

    bear: lead us

  61. Florian

    Is stpeter back?

  62. bear

    k, let me get the etherpad going

  63. stpeter

    I'm here

  64. Florian

    Let's go then?

  65. bear


  66. Florian

    Actually ... Brb

  67. Florian

    Removing the push thingy

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  72. stpeter

    hmm, what am I doing here from a different account?

  73. bear

    ok, ready to go?

  74. Florian

    On my end, yes

  75. Will


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  77. bear

    the agenda was suggested, any changes or additions?

  78. Florian

    Not from me

  79. bear

    ok, ... let's start

  80. stpeter

    there might be AOB items at the end, I suppose

  81. bear


  82. bear

    the first item is a request by ludvic to be added to the commteam

  83. stpeter

    do we have a commteam? :)

  84. bear

    that is normally something I would toss over to the comm team leader, but they have been silent

  85. stpeter

    if so, seems fine to me

  86. Will

    not really

  87. bear


  88. bear

    he wants to start making corrections to the wiki and posting to the blog

  89. Florian

    Yah, was wondering too if that still existed

  90. Will

    no problems with adding, but Nico was runing this and he's been awol for a while

  91. Will

    anyone who wants to write for the blog should be encouraged

  92. Florian


  93. bear

    I told him we needed to be "polite" to the existing leader and ask first before just doing it by fiat

  94. Kev

    My opinion on the blogging has been to get one person to write an article, post it for review somewhere sensible (probably still the commteam list) and then to push it once it's had time to stew.

  95. Florian


  96. Florian

    Kev: +1

  97. Kev

    I don't see any reason to discourage people from writing articles in that scenario.

  98. bear

    ok, let me reach out to Nico and see how he is doing and then start by having him start posting for review

  99. bear

    any issues with adding him to commteam on the tracker so he can start working on some of the bugs?

  100. Kev

    I can set up an authors account, or whatever they're called if he pokes me.

  101. Kev

    (Or I guess lots of people can)

  102. bear

    k, I will email him

  103. Florian

    sound a good

  104. Florian


  105. bear

    i'll also reach out to nico via email and see how he is doing

  106. stpeter

    ok thanks

  107. Kev

    I thought I saw a Twit saying Nyco was going on a tour of the world or something.

  108. bear

    sounds like fun

  109. Kev

    Or a post to + or LinkedIn, or whatever.

  110. Kev

    Ah, or that he's back, possibly.

  111. bear

    k, next?

  112. bear

    jingle interop event

  113. Florian

    Sounds like something we should encourage

  114. bear

    evidently it's something that he has been told requires something from the board

  115. bear says as he is trying to search email for any history

  116. Kev

    That was probably me.

  117. Will


  118. bear

    anyone familiar with this?

  119. Kev

    He wanted it to be an official XSF-run event, which I think requires the Board to approve it.

  120. stpeter

    I wonder if Google would be interested in sponsoring such an event...

  121. Will

    do we need the board to appriove it?

  122. Will

    sorry, organise it?

  123. Florian

    Where would it be?

  124. Kev

    Just approve it and make sure someone's responsible for organising it, I think.

  125. stpeter

    doing this in conjuction with a Summit seems to make sense

  126. Will


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  129. Nÿco


  130. Florian


  131. stpeter

    hi Nÿco!

  132. Florian

    hey Nyconyco

  133. bear


  134. Kev

    My thought on it needing Board to agree was just saying "This is something the XSF sanctions" sounds like a Board action.

  135. Florian


  136. Nÿco

    apologies to all for being completely missing these times

  137. Kev

    Else I'll be holding an XSF-sanctioned "give cakes to Kevin event" :)

  138. Kev

    Nÿco: Howdy :)

  139. bear

    do we have an upcoming summit or event that would work for an interop?

  140. Florian

    not really

  141. stpeter

    bear: I'd expect we will hold a Summit at FOSDEM again

  142. Florian

    What about something end September

  143. Florian

    And the. The summit

  144. stpeter

    6 weeks from now?

  145. Florian

    Or October?

  146. Will

    too soon surely

  147. Florian

    I.e. 4x / year

  148. stpeter

    I'll be in Taipei in mid-November, does that work for everyone? ;-)

  149. bear


  150. Florian

    With one around the two summits

  151. Neustradamus

    stpeter: and why not the FSCONS ? :D

  152. stpeter

    we could hold an online interop event and then an IRL interop event at the next Summit

  153. bear

    when is fosdem?

  154. Florian

    Sounds good

  155. Will


  156. bear

    so we could hold an online one oct/nov

  157. bear

    as a prep for the physical one

  158. Florian


  159. stpeter


  160. stpeter

    that seems realistic

  161. Florian

    +1 for that :)

  162. Will


  163. stpeter

    as I said, we need to reach out to folks on the Google Talk team because they have the biggest Jingle deployment...

  164. Florian


  165. bear

    should I suggest to him that he start driving the members list on what would be part of the online one

  166. bear

    and once the beginnings of an agenda starts happening then we can drive towards a date

  167. bear

    no use picking a date if no one will be around

  168. Florian


  169. bear

    does anyone want to help drive this?

  170. stpeter

    I'm happy to reach out to the Google guys

  171. Florian

    Me :)

  172. bear 302's to florian

  173. Will

    +1 to florian organising stuff

  174. Florian

    I'll get on it ASAP.... When normal service resumes over here

  175. bear

    cool - thanks

  176. stpeter

    organizing the online event shouldn't be *too* hard -- we won't need to set up servers like we did the last time

  177. bear

    yea, and reaching out to the google folks seems like a must-have

  178. Kev

    It will need some sort of test criteria, which was where the last one fell short.

  179. stpeter

    it would help to have a relay server in place

  180. stpeter

    Kev: yes

  181. Florian


  182. bear

    heck, it would be a success if it's just a good survey of what's out there

  183. Kev

    And someone will presumably need to set up some hostile networks for testing.

  184. stpeter


  185. Florian


  186. Kev

    NAT, firewall, NAT with UPnP, mobile, etc.

  187. Florian


  188. Florian

    Right :)

  189. stpeter

    ah ok

  190. bear

    I can assist with my vm server at flosoft and also by starting some stuff here at home

  191. Tobias

    especially those kind of NATs that are strange..not default home gateway NATs, everybody has those

  192. Tobias


  193. bear

    sounds like a busy end-of-summer for Florian

  194. Florian


  195. bear

    ok, anything else before moving on to next?

  196. Florian


  197. Florian

    Not here

  198. bear


  199. bear

    he wanted to talk about adding his new wordpress plugin that allows for xmpp auth to the xsf site

  200. Florian


  201. bear

    my concern is 1) do we even need it and 2) has it been looked at

  202. Florian

    The XSF site is not really public

  203. bear

    for the former... yea, I don't see a need for it at all

  204. Florian

    And the people who need a login, have one

  205. stpeter

    I plan to deploy that at my blog for testing purposes

  206. stpeter

    Jehan also has a test site set up

  207. Florian

    I'd say, no need

  208. bear

    ok, my thought is no then, any disagreement?

  209. Will

    +1 to "no"

  210. stpeter


  211. stpeter

    potentially we could use this for voting purposes (no more memberbot), but it's probably not ready for primetime quite yet

  212. bear

    that would be an interesting use case

  213. stpeter

    basically it lets you post comments if you have a JID

  214. Florian


  215. stpeter

    anyway I'll deploy it at my blog and report back

  216. bear

    ok, thanks

  217. Florian

    Ok :)

  218. bear

    someone has added "Jappix on xmpp.org" to the agenda

  219. Florian

    What's Jappix?

  220. Kev

    Web client come social network thing.

  221. bear

    yea, just googled it myself

  222. Neustradamus

    bear: it is me. http://jappix.com

  223. bear


  224. Florian

    I'd say, no for xmpp.org

  225. Kev

    What benefit does putting this on xmpp.org give?

  226. Florian

    Maybe Jorg, but that's up to iTeam

  227. Florian

    Or BOFH

  228. Florian


  229. bear

    neustradamus - I don't see a need for it on the main xmpp.org site, is there somehting specific you wanted to have with it?

  230. stpeter

    hmm, they want my password in order to use it?

  231. stpeter

    what about OAuth?

  232. stpeter

    the idea is nice, though

  233. Neustradamus

    bear: yes, and for jabber.org (ITeam persons are here) ?

  234. Kev

    Neustradamus: jabber.org isn't an XSF service - so it's not iTeam.

  235. bear

    this sounds like something we may need some discussion on the mailing list first

  236. Neustradamus

    Kev: yes.

  237. Florian

    Bear: +1

  238. Will


  239. Florian

    let's discuss on list

  240. bear

    neustradamus - can I ask that you start a discussion on the mailing list about this?

  241. Neustradamus

    About xmpp.org: the principal for me, it is to show that a simple XMPP web client exist. but I understand ;)

  242. Florian

    Want to try it ... So give me a week :)

  243. stpeter

    I would like to have a web client at jabber.org

  244. Neustradamus

    bear: yes of course.

  245. bear


  246. Kev

    stpeter: Yes, but let's get BOSH set up first.

  247. Neustradamus

    Nÿco: are you ok about me ?

  248. stpeter

    Kev: right

  249. bear

    we haven't talked about you joining the comm team with Nÿco yet :)

  250. bear

    can you email Nÿco and start that discussion?

  251. Neustradamus

    bear: in private, Nÿco is ok.

  252. Florian

    Next item?

  253. bear

    cool, he can let me (or iTeam) know and we will start making the changes

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  255. Neustradamus

    stpeter: :)

  256. bear

    ok, that's the last of the known agenda items - anything to add/discuss?

  257. stpeter

    I wish that pgm had named conference.jabber.org something more friendly, like rooms.jabber.org

  258. stpeter

    Kev: GSoC?

  259. Kev

    We can easily change this. Or add rooms.

  260. bear hides from Kev

  261. Tobias

    stpeter, we need MUC redirectigng :) then we can simply rename it and have the users going to the old one be redirected :) HTTP has it

  262. stpeter

    Tobias: true :)

  263. Kev

    I don't have much to say about GSoC other than complaining that AFAICT the books haven't been sorted out and it's now too late.

  264. Neustradamus

    Tobias: good idea !

  265. Kev

    It ends this week, we'll be able to announce people's success or otherwise once Google do.

  266. bear

    yes, the books issue was me completely messing up

  267. Kev

    Remko and I are considering going to the Mentors summit, for a change.

  268. bear

    that would be great if you did

  269. stpeter

    I don't think we've ever sent anyone to that meeting

  270. Kev

    We (XSF) usually don't send anyone because no-one likes travelling, but I've been doing it too long without ever meeting the other people involved, and it'd be good to change that.

  271. stpeter

    yes, I think that would be great

  272. Kev

    It'd mean the XSF buying plane trips for Remko and me, and then Google reimbursing, but, having checked with our ED, that shouldn't be a problem financially.

  273. bear


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  275. Florian


  276. stpeter

    right, we have almost $10k in the bank

  277. Tobias

    Kev, doesn't google cover travel?

  278. Kev

    Tobias: Yes, read above :)

  279. stpeter

    they do, but you pay and then they reimburse you

  280. bear

    they do, you just have to expense it

  281. Tobias


  282. Kev

    I don't have much else to say about GSoC, unless people have questionses.

  283. bear

    stpeter - are we ok with helping cover travel costs up front?

  284. Will

    i think so, yes

  285. stpeter

    seems fine to me -- gotta put the money to work somehow

  286. Kev

    I think it'd be a Good Thing to finally get some visibility.

  287. Tobias


  288. Kev

    We tend to be fairly insular in our approach to GSoC.

  289. Tobias

    XSF has been in GSoC from beginning right?

  290. stpeter

    I'm not sure how we'll handle payments, but we'll figure that out

  291. Kev

    Tobias: Not sure - was the first year '05 or '04?

  292. Kev

    I was a student in '06, and I think that was the second year the XSF participated.

  293. Tobias


  294. Tobias


  295. Kev

    Yes then, since the start (barring our year out).

  296. stpeter

    the first year was 2005 -- I still have the T-shirt

  297. Tobias

    Kev, which year was that?

  298. stpeter


  299. bear

    haven't received a shirt yet :)

  300. Kev

    Tobias: '09, I think.

  301. stpeter

    so we're at one hour since scheduled start time :)

  302. Kev

    bear: End of September, I think.

  303. Tobias

    Kev, ahh right...that matched perfectly with the year I could not participate anyway :P

  304. bear

    ok, that appears to be it - anything else to discuss?

  305. Kev

    Not from me.

  306. bear

    +1 for adjourning

  307. Florian


  308. Florian


  309. Will

    nothing here, +1 for going home :-)

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  311. stpeter

    +1 for lunch

  312. Kev

    Thanks guys.

  313. bear

    thanks all again for a great meeting

  314. Florian

    Thanks all

  315. Florian

    Pub time

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  318. stpeter

    minutes look fine

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  321. bear

    I see some small edits happenign - will wait a bit before sending

  322. stpeter

    bear: I'm done with edits to the minutes

  323. bear

    cool - thanks

  324. stpeter


  325. stpeter

    bear: sorry to have called you, it's never a good idea to poke a bear that's just emerging from hibernation :)

  326. bear


  327. bear

    I needed to get up for work, so you saved me from missing a work meeting that is starting in a bit

  328. Neustradamus

    stpeter: :D

  329. Kev

    That doesn't sound like a good thing.

  330. bear

    they knew I was up all night working on a server issue

  331. bear

    so would have covered me if anything was needed

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  333. bear

    minutes emailed, off to dayjob items

  334. stpeter

    ok, time for lunch, or breakfast for bear

  335. bear

    food in some form for sure

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  338. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/calendar/ updated

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