Dave CridlandHmmm, I just realised that I never sent out a link to the agenda to the members list.
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stpeterDave Cridland: thanks for sending the agenda link
Dave CridlandHorribly late.
Dave CridlandHad that ready to send for ages and finally dug down to it.
stpeterI think the Board members who are not XSF members are not on the members@xmpp.org list
stpeteror might not be
stpeterthat seems advisable
Dave Cridlandstpeter, I did send the contents to board@ on Monday.
ralphmGood start :-D
stpeterhi ralphm!
ralphmHello from SF, by the way.
stpeterralphm: how is your trip so far?
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Dave CridlandWe seems to be lacking in board members.
ralphmstpeter: Apart from filled sinuses and a bit of a jet lag, pretty good.
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stpeterDave: I don't see Florian or Ashley online
Dave Cridlandstpeter, Florian sent apologies last week.
stpeterah
stpeterthat's right
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stpeterhe's at Le Web
Dave Cridlandstpeter, You may recall he pleaded the novel excuse of being invited to dinner by the French President.
stpeterDave Cridland: yeah, some excuse
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MattJDave Cridland, I thought you were joking about that :)
ralphm_You'd think he has better things to do
MattJFor the fact it sounded entirely too plausible to be true
Dave CridlandMattJ, Well, it sounds more likely if you consider that Sarkozy doesn't actually know Florian.
MattJ:)
MattJThanks for the emails about board meetings though, the main reason I rarely attended them in the past is forgetfulness
stpeterI've pinged and invited bear
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stpeterMattJ: you *can* subscribe to the calendar at http://xmpp.org/calendar/
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Dave CridlandOK, so I suspect we can't have a formal board meeting, but I'd like to still discuss at least the FOSDEM stuff, so we can try to help people nail down travel plans.
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Dave CridlandAlso, we're running close to the deadline for a stand - that's the 9th, isn't it?
ralphmUgh, connections being dropped here. Switching to a screen(1) session.
stpeterDave Cridland: agreed on nailing things down, I continue to ping Board members in the background :)
ralphmdeadline is 14th
Dave Cridlandstpeter, Nailing things down is not only fun, but satisfying.
ralphmeh 13th
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Dave Cridlandralphm, OK, so before the next Board meeting anyway.
Dave CridlandSo - do we want to try for this "Real Time Lounge" idea?
ralphmsure
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Dave CridlandI'm trying to get some military demos going, perhaps some low-bandwidth stuff.
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cchris434Hi Dave, I still owe you an answer on the demos...will let you know
Dave CridlandI've also tapped Echobit (evolvehq.com) to see if they can show. GIves us an excuse to play games.
ralphmIt'd be a nice if someone would make a nice summary for the idea.
Dave Cridlandcchris434, That'd be great.
cchris434yep, I will see, although no promises
ralphmDo those demos involve FOSS?
Dave Cridlandralphm, Yes, I should think so, for the client at the very least.
Dave Cridlandralphm, Harder to arrange with Echobit, although they use an open-source server, and the XMPP library is also open-source.
ralphmWhile not critical, as we are more about open standards, it is a big plus at this event.
Dave Cridlandralphm, Yes, I agree. FOSDEM is FOSS, first and foremost, and we should ensure we're never too far from that.
ralphmmy point
ralphmI'm sure that when we send out a CFP, we have more of these
stpeterBTW Ashley is on the way
ralphmwe just need to be sure we have something already
ralphmso we can put in the request
Dave CridlandRight. So we can hammer out a draft proposal on the Wiki, I suppose?
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Dave Cridlandbear, You about?
bearodd - my client sure looked liked I was already attached
stpeterheh
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Dave CridlandGosh. We're quorate!
bearwe need to talk to the buddycloud folks for the lounge demo
Dave Cridlandbear, Yes, good point too.
Ashleyapologies for being late
Dave CridlandAshley, Did we mention the public whippings for latecomers?
Ashleyi have callouses, so go ahead… :D
bearmozilla's email has been down for 3 days, so I haven't been able to even poke them about sharing the space - still working on it
Dave Cridlandbear, By "sharing the space", you mean what, exactly?
stpeterbear: ouch
bearwell, I was hoping that mozilla would help either with demos or with money (both actually)
stpeterwe need demos more than we need money
ralphmright
Dave Cridlandstpeter, Yes, I tend to agree. We can unleash Florian to find money.
stpeterI think last year we might have made money on the Summit/FOSDEM :)
bearok
Dave Cridlandstpeter, Reminds me - who is our tresurer at the moment? One of your many hats?
stpeterI think we can put out a call for demos and scare up some interesting stuff
stpeterDave Cridland: yes, one of my many hats -- we might want to find someone (officially it was Jack but he never got involved)
bearpersonally I would love to see a cross-client jingle demo
stpeterthe Jitsi folks will be there, no doubt
stpeteranyway we can brainstorm about demos
ralphmeven if we can't actually do the lounge bit, we should still be able to get a regular stand
stpeter(another one is that music player that someone poasted last week)
stpeterralphm: right
stpeters/poasted/posted/
ralphmthat said, we might not. I'm not sure if we should wait with a call for demos until confirmed
Dave CridlandRight. But basically all our "real time longue" is is a stand in a conventiant place without a table.
ralphmsure
Dave Cridlandralphm, When do we know about stands, typically?
stpeterwe can make it standing room only ;-)
ralphmthe 22th
ralphmSee http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands
Dave Cridlandhttp://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand
Dave CridlandThere's at least a start.
Ashleyactually looks like 13th is deadline for requests
Dave CridlandAshley, Yeah, we got there in the end. :-)
Ashleyok
Dave CridlandSo, shall we go for this stand thing?
stpeterI think so, yes
bear+1
Ashley+1
ralphmSo, who can make a compelling summary for the application. I'd then be more than happy to put it in
cchris434sure
Dave CridlandRight, so I've slung together a Wiki page we can work on the summary for. How big does it need to be?
ralphm'short'
Ashleysounds like it can be informationally focused, so we could just use it as a "promote xmpp"
ralphmI'll probably put our motivation in the 'comments' bot
stpeterralphm: do we need to include the lounge idea, or shall we just mention the demonstrations?
ralphmAshley: well, that's a bit vague
Dave CridlandAlso, I think it's worth making a call for demos so we have at least a couple of example demos we can include, but we'll do the call just to the members list for now.
ralphmAshley: I don't suppose there will be requests that don't promote their project.
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Ashleywell, it doesn't say you have to promote a project
Ashleythough it *does* use that project word a lot :)
ralphmI think a few sentences should be enough.
Ashleyseems like xmpp awareness could fit in this requirement… be a Free Software or Open Source project (your project produces and releases software under an open source license or otherwise contributes to open source activities and communities),
ralphmAshley: we've manned stands since 2001, I think we are fine on that part
ralphm(at FOSDEM)
Ashleysure, makes sense
Dave Cridlandhttp://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand
Dave CridlandHow does that look?
Dave Cridland(Not that Buddycloud have said anythign about a demo yet)
beari'm chatting with simon now - he is interested
ralphmPretty good. I suppose I should highlight the lounge part of it a bit.
stpeterDave Cridland: WFM (but we might want to include the dreaded "J-word" for context)
Dave CridlandI'll massage it a bit.
ralphmDo we intend to arrange for bean bags?
bearare fosdem folks open to using military examples?
Ashleyagree this looks good
Dave Cridlandbear, I don't see why not, as long as it involves open-source.
ralphmbear: surely there'll be some people against it
bearjust asking - never know what those silly EU types are all about
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ralphmI don't think it is much of an issue
cchris434perhaps to broaden the appeal by saying it is also for first responders, etc.
beark
imagihi guys.
Dave Cridlandbear, Well, NATO is based just down the road, I'm sure it'll be fine.
bearis looking forward to his first fosdem
Ashleythere's certainly plenty of OSS used in the military, so i wouldn't think this would be a surprise
Dave Cridlandimagi, You said you had backdrops and things?
cchris434no, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise
ralphmI don't think we should have to go into details
imagiCan provide backdrops and 400 stickers.
Ashleybut i do like the addition of "first responders" etc
ralphmok
imagiand some laptops and team to do demoing work.
cchris434yeah, a lot of the deployed scenarios have similar challenges--miltary, first responders, emergency communications, etc.
Ashleyany "internet of things" demos that folks know about?
Dave CridlandAshley, Might be easier just to pick a different demo.
Ashleya la http://www.ices.cmu.edu/censcir/sensor-andrew/
ralphmSo, I suppose this point is mostly done?
stpeterAshley: I know of some guys in Spain (I think) who had an XMPP-based internet of things application, will reach out
ralphmI really need breakfast
Ashleycool
stpeter:)
Dave Cridlandhttp://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand#Real_Time_Lounge Updated.
Dave CridlandSo, the only other question is whether we're aiming to do Friday, Monday, or both for the summit/interop?
imagibuddycloud (lowercase b)
imagiI like the "realtime lounge" idea. I'd really like us to de-focus on any chat demos.
Dave CridlandI have the gut feel that doing interop on Friday and the Summit proper on Monday seems best. I'm pretty sure we can easy get enough momentum behind interop.
Dave Cridlandimagi, Right. Basic chat is hard to get a proper "Wow" over, which is what we're aiming for here.
ralphmI like that last addition, the fosdem like projects that try to combine smaller projects
cchris434so are we de-emphasizing the miltary/first responder aspect of it?
stpeterI'd love to see some more interop testing -- e.g., the BOSH testing last year was productive but limited
bear+1 to wording
Dave CridlandYes, this did occur to me. Nefarious, that's me.
imagiThere's a bunch of federated social web people that were thinking of piggybacking onto the XMPP side of things. I'll find out what's happening with that. I know this is an xmpp thing, but it certainly helps having them see XMPP and the light beyond non-federated-http-land.
Dave Cridlandcchris434, It's very hard to be breif without potentially rubbing people up the wrong way.
Dave Cridlandcchris434, Doesn't stop us from doing things on the day, of course.
ralphmimagi: we are always open for that
cchris434sure, that's fine
ralphmimagi: like talks in our devroom
imagibc team has a triple play lined up - from me doing my standard rant-fest to some gritty implementation details from dodo.
imagiI think tuomas wants to talk about some XMPP domain blacklisting stuff too.
stpeterimagi: sounds good
ralphmcchris434: also, the description likely isn't going to be made public
beari'll reach out to the &yet folks - i'm sure fritzy will be there
Dave CridlandSo, pulling us back a bit - Friday Interop, Monday SUmmit (ie, technical talks) - yes or no?
ralphmyea
Ashley+1
MattJ+1
Dave CridlandThe reason I want to nail this down is because the Americans need to book flights while they're still relatively cheap.
cchris434sure
bear+1 (and +1 for flight booking timing)
imagiwould it make sense to try and co-ordinate an XMPP and federated social web day on Friday too?
stpeterI can book the Cisco rooms again
Dave CridlandSo I count "public support" and unanimous board support. Done with that one then.
imagiI expect there will be no clash with the interop folks.
Dave Cridlandstpeter, That makes sense.
stpeter(in fact more rooms so that we can do breakouts for testing)
stpeter(etc.)
Dave CridlandSo - do we have sufficient time, energy, and people present to discuss Athena now?
bearwe need to fix it - so yes
Dave CridlandI'm actually going to take that as a no, and defer that one until next week.
stpeterok
stpeterWFM
Dave CridlandI think we do need to get it sorted, but I think we can safely wait a week.
stpeterso, meeting next week at the same time?
cchris434sure
Dave CridlandI think that works - note that I believe there's a Council meeting typically starting at 1700, so we'd normally have a tighter time constraint than today.
stpeterright
stpeterthat's not necessarily a bad thing :)
stpetertime constraints focus the discusion
stpeter+s
bearlooks in the mirror
bearand less tardy members
stpeterheh
Dave CridlandRight. So I motion to adjourn.
Ashleyok
bearseconded
Dave CridlandAnd we're done.
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stpeteradds next week's meeting to the calendar
bearwaves and goes to see our Moz's IT has done recovering mail and entire colo from downtime
cchris434good bye
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stpetercalendar updated at http://xmpp.org/calendar/
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stpeterDave Cridland: shall I point potential demo people to you or to Ralph or to both?
Dave Cridlandstpeter, I think we should probably do the traditional thing and setup a Wiki page.
Dave Cridlandstpeter, Will's not a board member anymore, we can't get him to do it.
stpeterhttp://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos created
stpeterI'm going to ping the internet of things people in Spain
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stpeterMattJ: it seems that we never fixed the port 5290 problem on athena (to access the MUC logs)
MattJIndeed, it's on my list... main hold-up was that I changed SSH key and needed to upload my new ones to hermes and athena
MattJDid that, then the next day athena was down :)
stpeterah yeah
stpeterheh
stpeterbrb
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Kev"Couldn't send message: Message was rejected"
KevThat'd be why I wasn't seeing any traffic, then.
stpeterheh
stpeterI must say that find it annoying when people send me email messages in French and Italian (etc.) and expect me to read them -- at least use Google Translate or somesuch!
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KevKvatch? That's a town in Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, isn't it? :)
stpeter:P
stpeterI grew up in the New York City area, so Yiddishims creep into my day-to-day language...
stpeterYiddishisms even :)
stpeterlooks like we need to fill out http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012 -- I'll make a start on that this evening along with other things I've been putting off
stpeterit seems that the email flow has started to slow down already, perhaps this will give me a chance to catch up