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Dave Cridland
Hmmm, I just realised that I never sent out a link to the agenda to the members list.
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: thanks for sending the agenda link
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Dave Cridland
Horribly late.
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Dave Cridland
Had that ready to send for ages and finally dug down to it.
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stpeter
I think the Board members who are not XSF members are not on the members@xmpp.org list
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stpeter
or might not be
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stpeter
that seems advisable
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, I did send the contents to board@ on Monday.
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ralphm
Good start :-D
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stpeter
hi ralphm!
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ralphm
Hello from SF, by the way.
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stpeter
ralphm: how is your trip so far?
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Dave Cridland
We seems to be lacking in board members.
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ralphm
stpeter: Apart from filled sinuses and a bit of a jet lag, pretty good.
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stpeter
Dave: I don't see Florian or Ashley online
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, Florian sent apologies last week.
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stpeter
ah
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stpeter
that's right
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stpeter
he's at Le Web
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, You may recall he pleaded the novel excuse of being invited to dinner by the French President.
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: yeah, some excuse
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MattJ
Dave Cridland, I thought you were joking about that :)
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ralphm_
You'd think he has better things to do
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MattJ
For the fact it sounded entirely too plausible to be true
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Dave Cridland
MattJ, Well, it sounds more likely if you consider that Sarkozy doesn't actually know Florian.
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MattJ
:)
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MattJ
Thanks for the emails about board meetings though, the main reason I rarely attended them in the past is forgetfulness
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stpeter
I've pinged and invited bear
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stpeter
MattJ: you *can* subscribe to the calendar at http://xmpp.org/calendar/
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Dave Cridland
OK, so I suspect we can't have a formal board meeting, but I'd like to still discuss at least the FOSDEM stuff, so we can try to help people nail down travel plans.
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Dave Cridland
Also, we're running close to the deadline for a stand - that's the 9th, isn't it?
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ralphm
Ugh, connections being dropped here. Switching to a screen(1) session.
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: agreed on nailing things down, I continue to ping Board members in the background :)
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ralphm
deadline is 14th
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, Nailing things down is not only fun, but satisfying.
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ralphm
eh 13th
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Dave Cridland
ralphm, OK, so before the next Board meeting anyway.
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Dave Cridland
So - do we want to try for this "Real Time Lounge" idea?
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ralphm
sure
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Dave Cridland
I'm trying to get some military demos going, perhaps some low-bandwidth stuff.
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cchris434
Hi Dave, I still owe you an answer on the demos...will let you know
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Dave Cridland
I've also tapped Echobit (evolvehq.com) to see if they can show. GIves us an excuse to play games.
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ralphm
It'd be a nice if someone would make a nice summary for the idea.
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Dave Cridland
cchris434, That'd be great.
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cchris434
yep, I will see, although no promises
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ralphm
Do those demos involve FOSS?
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Dave Cridland
ralphm, Yes, I should think so, for the client at the very least.
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Dave Cridland
ralphm, Harder to arrange with Echobit, although they use an open-source server, and the XMPP library is also open-source.
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ralphm
While not critical, as we are more about open standards, it is a big plus at this event.
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Dave Cridland
ralphm, Yes, I agree. FOSDEM is FOSS, first and foremost, and we should ensure we're never too far from that.
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ralphm
my point
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ralphm
I'm sure that when we send out a CFP, we have more of these
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stpeter
BTW Ashley is on the way
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ralphm
we just need to be sure we have something already
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ralphm
so we can put in the request
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Dave Cridland
Right. So we can hammer out a draft proposal on the Wiki, I suppose?
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Dave Cridland
bear, You about?
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bear
odd - my client sure looked liked I was already attached
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stpeter
heh
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Dave Cridland
Gosh. We're quorate!
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bear
we need to talk to the buddycloud folks for the lounge demo
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Dave Cridland
bear, Yes, good point too.
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Ashley
apologies for being late
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Dave Cridland
Ashley, Did we mention the public whippings for latecomers?
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Ashley
i have callouses, so go ahead… :D
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bear
mozilla's email has been down for 3 days, so I haven't been able to even poke them about sharing the space - still working on it
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Dave Cridland
bear, By "sharing the space", you mean what, exactly?
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stpeter
bear: ouch
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bear
well, I was hoping that mozilla would help either with demos or with money (both actually)
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stpeter
we need demos more than we need money
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ralphm
right
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, Yes, I tend to agree. We can unleash Florian to find money.
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stpeter
I think last year we might have made money on the Summit/FOSDEM :)
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bear
ok
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, Reminds me - who is our tresurer at the moment? One of your many hats?
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stpeter
I think we can put out a call for demos and scare up some interesting stuff
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: yes, one of my many hats -- we might want to find someone (officially it was Jack but he never got involved)
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bear
personally I would love to see a cross-client jingle demo
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stpeter
the Jitsi folks will be there, no doubt
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stpeter
anyway we can brainstorm about demos
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ralphm
even if we can't actually do the lounge bit, we should still be able to get a regular stand
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stpeter
(another one is that music player that someone poasted last week)
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stpeter
ralphm: right
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stpeter
s/poasted/posted/
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ralphm
that said, we might not. I'm not sure if we should wait with a call for demos until confirmed
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Dave Cridland
Right. But basically all our "real time longue" is is a stand in a conventiant place without a table.
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ralphm
sure
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Dave Cridland
ralphm, When do we know about stands, typically?
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stpeter
we can make it standing room only ;-)
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ralphm
the 22th
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ralphm
See http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands
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Dave Cridland
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand
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Dave Cridland
There's at least a start.
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Ashley
actually looks like 13th is deadline for requests
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Dave Cridland
Ashley, Yeah, we got there in the end. :-)
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Ashley
ok
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Dave Cridland
So, shall we go for this stand thing?
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stpeter
I think so, yes
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bear
+1
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Ashley
+1
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ralphm
So, who can make a compelling summary for the application. I'd then be more than happy to put it in
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cchris434
sure
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Dave Cridland
Right, so I've slung together a Wiki page we can work on the summary for. How big does it need to be?
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ralphm
'short'
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Ashley
sounds like it can be informationally focused, so we could just use it as a "promote xmpp"
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ralphm
I'll probably put our motivation in the 'comments' bot
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stpeter
ralphm: do we need to include the lounge idea, or shall we just mention the demonstrations?
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ralphm
Ashley: well, that's a bit vague
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Dave Cridland
Also, I think it's worth making a call for demos so we have at least a couple of example demos we can include, but we'll do the call just to the members list for now.
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ralphm
Ashley: I don't suppose there will be requests that don't promote their project.
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Ashley
well, it doesn't say you have to promote a project
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Ashley
though it *does* use that project word a lot :)
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ralphm
I think a few sentences should be enough.
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Ashley
seems like xmpp awareness could fit in this requirement… be a Free Software or Open Source project (your project produces and releases software under an open source license or otherwise contributes to open source activities and communities),
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ralphm
Ashley: we've manned stands since 2001, I think we are fine on that part
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ralphm
(at FOSDEM)
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Ashley
sure, makes sense
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Dave Cridland
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand
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Dave Cridland
How does that look?
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Dave Cridland
(Not that Buddycloud have said anythign about a demo yet)
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bear
i'm chatting with simon now - he is interested
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ralphm
Pretty good. I suppose I should highlight the lounge part of it a bit.
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: WFM (but we might want to include the dreaded "J-word" for context)
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Dave Cridland
I'll massage it a bit.
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ralphm
Do we intend to arrange for bean bags?
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bear
are fosdem folks open to using military examples?
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Ashley
agree this looks good
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Dave Cridland
bear, I don't see why not, as long as it involves open-source.
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ralphm
bear: surely there'll be some people against it
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bear
just asking - never know what those silly EU types are all about
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ralphm
I don't think it is much of an issue
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cchris434
perhaps to broaden the appeal by saying it is also for first responders, etc.
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bear
k
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imagi
hi guys.
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Dave Cridland
bear, Well, NATO is based just down the road, I'm sure it'll be fine.
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Ashley
there's certainly plenty of OSS used in the military, so i wouldn't think this would be a surprise
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Dave Cridland
imagi, You said you had backdrops and things?
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cchris434
no, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise
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ralphm
I don't think we should have to go into details
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imagi
Can provide backdrops and 400 stickers.
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Ashley
but i do like the addition of "first responders" etc
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ralphm
ok
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imagi
and some laptops and team to do demoing work.
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cchris434
yeah, a lot of the deployed scenarios have similar challenges--miltary, first responders, emergency communications, etc.
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Ashley
any "internet of things" demos that folks know about?
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Dave Cridland
Ashley, Might be easier just to pick a different demo.
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Ashley
a la http://www.ices.cmu.edu/censcir/sensor-andrew/
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ralphm
So, I suppose this point is mostly done?
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stpeter
Ashley: I know of some guys in Spain (I think) who had an XMPP-based internet of things application, will reach out
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ralphm
I really need breakfast
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Ashley
cool
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stpeter
:)
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Dave Cridland
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand#Real_Time_Lounge Updated.
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Dave Cridland
So, the only other question is whether we're aiming to do Friday, Monday, or both for the summit/interop?
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imagi
buddycloud (lowercase b)
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imagi
I like the "realtime lounge" idea. I'd really like us to de-focus on any chat demos.
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Dave Cridland
I have the gut feel that doing interop on Friday and the Summit proper on Monday seems best. I'm pretty sure we can easy get enough momentum behind interop.
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Dave Cridland
imagi, Right. Basic chat is hard to get a proper "Wow" over, which is what we're aiming for here.
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ralphm
I like that last addition, the fosdem like projects that try to combine smaller projects
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cchris434
so are we de-emphasizing the miltary/first responder aspect of it?
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stpeter
I'd love to see some more interop testing -- e.g., the BOSH testing last year was productive but limited
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bear
+1 to wording
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Dave Cridland
Yes, this did occur to me. Nefarious, that's me.
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imagi
There's a bunch of federated social web people that were thinking of piggybacking onto the XMPP side of things. I'll find out what's happening with that. I know this is an xmpp thing, but it certainly helps having them see XMPP and the light beyond non-federated-http-land.
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Dave Cridland
cchris434, It's very hard to be breif without potentially rubbing people up the wrong way.
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Dave Cridland
cchris434, Doesn't stop us from doing things on the day, of course.
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ralphm
imagi: we are always open for that
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cchris434
sure, that's fine
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ralphm
imagi: like talks in our devroom
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imagi
bc team has a triple play lined up - from me doing my standard rant-fest to some gritty implementation details from dodo.
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stpeter
http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2011/03/Casado.pdf = XMPP IOT project
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imagi
I think tuomas wants to talk about some XMPP domain blacklisting stuff too.
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stpeter
imagi: sounds good
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ralphm
cchris434: also, the description likely isn't going to be made public
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bear
i'll reach out to the &yet folks - i'm sure fritzy will be there
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Dave Cridland
So, pulling us back a bit - Friday Interop, Monday SUmmit (ie, technical talks) - yes or no?
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ralphm
yea
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Ashley
+1
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MattJ
+1
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Dave Cridland
The reason I want to nail this down is because the Americans need to book flights while they're still relatively cheap.
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cchris434
sure
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bear
+1 (and +1 for flight booking timing)
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imagi
would it make sense to try and co-ordinate an XMPP and federated social web day on Friday too?
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stpeter
I can book the Cisco rooms again
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Dave Cridland
So I count "public support" and unanimous board support. Done with that one then.
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imagi
I expect there will be no clash with the interop folks.
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, That makes sense.
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stpeter
(in fact more rooms so that we can do breakouts for testing)
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stpeter
(etc.)
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Dave Cridland
So - do we have sufficient time, energy, and people present to discuss Athena now?
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bear
we need to fix it - so yes
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Dave Cridland
I'm actually going to take that as a no, and defer that one until next week.
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
WFM
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Dave Cridland
I think we do need to get it sorted, but I think we can safely wait a week.
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stpeter
so, meeting next week at the same time?
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cchris434
sure
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Dave Cridland
I think that works - note that I believe there's a Council meeting typically starting at 1700, so we'd normally have a tighter time constraint than today.
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
that's not necessarily a bad thing :)
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stpeter
time constraints focus the discusion
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stpeter
+s
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bear
and less tardy members
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stpeter
heh
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Dave Cridland
Right. So I motion to adjourn.
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Ashley
ok
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bear
seconded
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Dave Cridland
And we're done.
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cchris434
good bye
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stpeter
calendar updated at http://xmpp.org/calendar/
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: shall I point potential demo people to you or to Ralph or to both?
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, I think we should probably do the traditional thing and setup a Wiki page.
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stpeter
heh sure
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
so http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos
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stpeter
will create some content there
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, Will's not a board member anymore, we can't get him to do it.
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stpeter
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos created
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stpeter
I'm going to ping the internet of things people in Spain
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stpeter
MattJ: it seems that we never fixed the port 5290 problem on athena (to access the MUC logs)
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MattJ
Indeed, it's on my list... main hold-up was that I changed SSH key and needed to upload my new ones to hermes and athena
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MattJ
Did that, then the next day athena was down :)
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stpeter
ah yeah
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
brb
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Kev
"Couldn't send message: Message was rejected"
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Kev
That'd be why I wasn't seeing any traffic, then.
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
I must say that find it annoying when people send me email messages in French and Italian (etc.) and expect me to read them -- at least use Google Translate or somesuch!
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Kev
Kvatch? That's a town in Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, isn't it? :)
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stpeter
:P
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stpeter
I grew up in the New York City area, so Yiddishims creep into my day-to-day language...
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stpeter
Yiddishisms even :)
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stpeter
looks like we need to fill out http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012 -- I'll make a start on that this evening along with other things I've been putting off
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stpeter
it seems that the email flow has started to slow down already, perhaps this will give me a chance to catch up
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