XSF Discussion - 2011-12-07

Hmmm, I just realised that I never sent out a link to the agenda to the members list.

Dave Cridland: thanks for sending the agenda link

Horribly late.

Had that ready to send for ages and finally dug down to it.

I think the Board members who are not XSF members are not on the members@xmpp.org list

or might not be

that seems advisable

stpeter, I did send the contents to board@ on Monday.

Good start :-D

hi ralphm!

Hello from SF, by the way.

ralphm: how is your trip so far?

We seems to be lacking in board members.

stpeter: Apart from filled sinuses and a bit of a jet lag, pretty good.

Dave: I don't see Florian or Ashley online

stpeter, Florian sent apologies last week.

ah

that's right

he's at Le Web

stpeter, You may recall he pleaded the novel excuse of being invited to dinner by the French President.

Dave Cridland: yeah, some excuse

Dave Cridland, I thought you were joking about that :)

You'd think he has better things to do

For the fact it sounded entirely too plausible to be true

MattJ, Well, it sounds more likely if you consider that Sarkozy doesn't actually know Florian.

:)

Thanks for the emails about board meetings though, the main reason I rarely attended them in the past is forgetfulness

I've pinged and invited bear

MattJ: you *can* subscribe to the calendar at http://xmpp.org/calendar/

OK, so I suspect we can't have a formal board meeting, but I'd like to still discuss at least the FOSDEM stuff, so we can try to help people nail down travel plans.

Also, we're running close to the deadline for a stand - that's the 9th, isn't it?

Ugh, connections being dropped here. Switching to a screen(1) session.

Dave Cridland: agreed on nailing things down, I continue to ping Board members in the background :)

deadline is 14th

stpeter, Nailing things down is not only fun, but satisfying.

eh 13th

ralphm, OK, so before the next Board meeting anyway.

So - do we want to try for this "Real Time Lounge" idea?

sure

I'm trying to get some military demos going, perhaps some low-bandwidth stuff.

Hi Dave, I still owe you an answer on the demos...will let you know

I've also tapped Echobit (evolvehq.com) to see if they can show. GIves us an excuse to play games.

It'd be a nice if someone would make a nice summary for the idea.

cchris434, That'd be great.

yep, I will see, although no promises

Do those demos involve FOSS?

ralphm, Yes, I should think so, for the client at the very least.

ralphm, Harder to arrange with Echobit, although they use an open-source server, and the XMPP library is also open-source.

While not critical, as we are more about open standards, it is a big plus at this event.

ralphm, Yes, I agree. FOSDEM is FOSS, first and foremost, and we should ensure we're never too far from that.

my point

I'm sure that when we send out a CFP, we have more of these

BTW Ashley is on the way

we just need to be sure we have something already

so we can put in the request

Right. So we can hammer out a draft proposal on the Wiki, I suppose?

bear, You about?

odd - my client sure looked liked I was already attached

heh

Gosh. We're quorate!

we need to talk to the buddycloud folks for the lounge demo

bear, Yes, good point too.

apologies for being late

Ashley, Did we mention the public whippings for latecomers?

i have callouses, so go ahead… :D

mozilla's email has been down for 3 days, so I haven't been able to even poke them about sharing the space - still working on it

bear, By "sharing the space", you mean what, exactly?

bear: ouch

well, I was hoping that mozilla would help either with demos or with money (both actually)

we need demos more than we need money

right

stpeter, Yes, I tend to agree. We can unleash Florian to find money.

I think last year we might have made money on the Summit/FOSDEM :)

ok

stpeter, Reminds me - who is our tresurer at the moment? One of your many hats?

I think we can put out a call for demos and scare up some interesting stuff

Dave Cridland: yes, one of my many hats -- we might want to find someone (officially it was Jack but he never got involved)

personally I would love to see a cross-client jingle demo

the Jitsi folks will be there, no doubt

anyway we can brainstorm about demos

even if we can't actually do the lounge bit, we should still be able to get a regular stand

(another one is that music player that someone poasted last week)

ralphm: right

s/poasted/posted/

that said, we might not. I'm not sure if we should wait with a call for demos until confirmed

Right. But basically all our "real time longue" is is a stand in a conventiant place without a table.

sure

ralphm, When do we know about stands, typically?

we can make it standing room only ;-)

the 22th

See http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand

There's at least a start.

actually looks like 13th is deadline for requests

Ashley, Yeah, we got there in the end. :-)

ok

So, shall we go for this stand thing?

I think so, yes

+1

+1

So, who can make a compelling summary for the application. I'd then be more than happy to put it in

sure

Right, so I've slung together a Wiki page we can work on the summary for. How big does it need to be?

'short'

sounds like it can be informationally focused, so we could just use it as a "promote xmpp"

I'll probably put our motivation in the 'comments' bot

ralphm: do we need to include the lounge idea, or shall we just mention the demonstrations?

Ashley: well, that's a bit vague

Also, I think it's worth making a call for demos so we have at least a couple of example demos we can include, but we'll do the call just to the members list for now.

Ashley: I don't suppose there will be requests that don't promote their project.

well, it doesn't say you have to promote a project

though it *does* use that project word a lot :)

I think a few sentences should be enough.

seems like xmpp awareness could fit in this requirement… be a Free Software or Open Source project (your project produces and releases software under an open source license or otherwise contributes to open source activities and communities),

Ashley: we've manned stands since 2001, I think we are fine on that part

(at FOSDEM)

sure, makes sense

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand

How does that look?

(Not that Buddycloud have said anythign about a demo yet)

i'm chatting with simon now - he is interested

Pretty good. I suppose I should highlight the lounge part of it a bit.

Dave Cridland: WFM (but we might want to include the dreaded "J-word" for context)

I'll massage it a bit.

Do we intend to arrange for bean bags?

are fosdem folks open to using military examples?

agree this looks good

bear, I don't see why not, as long as it involves open-source.

bear: surely there'll be some people against it

just asking - never know what those silly EU types are all about

I don't think it is much of an issue

perhaps to broaden the appeal by saying it is also for first responders, etc.

k

hi guys.

bear, Well, NATO is based just down the road, I'm sure it'll be fine.

there's certainly plenty of OSS used in the military, so i wouldn't think this would be a surprise

imagi, You said you had backdrops and things?

no, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise

I don't think we should have to go into details

Can provide backdrops and 400 stickers.

but i do like the addition of "first responders" etc

ok

and some laptops and team to do demoing work.

yeah, a lot of the deployed scenarios have similar challenges--miltary, first responders, emergency communications, etc.

any "internet of things" demos that folks know about?

Ashley, Might be easier just to pick a different demo.

a la http://www.ices.cmu.edu/censcir/sensor-andrew/

So, I suppose this point is mostly done?

Ashley: I know of some guys in Spain (I think) who had an XMPP-based internet of things application, will reach out

I really need breakfast

cool

:)

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Stand#Real_Time_Lounge Updated.

So, the only other question is whether we're aiming to do Friday, Monday, or both for the summit/interop?

buddycloud (lowercase b)

I like the "realtime lounge" idea. I'd really like us to de-focus on any chat demos.

I have the gut feel that doing interop on Friday and the Summit proper on Monday seems best. I'm pretty sure we can easy get enough momentum behind interop.

imagi, Right. Basic chat is hard to get a proper "Wow" over, which is what we're aiming for here.

I like that last addition, the fosdem like projects that try to combine smaller projects

so are we de-emphasizing the miltary/first responder aspect of it?

I'd love to see some more interop testing -- e.g., the BOSH testing last year was productive but limited

+1 to wording

Yes, this did occur to me. Nefarious, that's me.

There's a bunch of federated social web people that were thinking of piggybacking onto the XMPP side of things. I'll find out what's happening with that. I know this is an xmpp thing, but it certainly helps having them see XMPP and the light beyond non-federated-http-land.

cchris434, It's very hard to be breif without potentially rubbing people up the wrong way.

cchris434, Doesn't stop us from doing things on the day, of course.

imagi: we are always open for that

sure, that's fine

imagi: like talks in our devroom

bc team has a triple play lined up - from me doing my standard rant-fest to some gritty implementation details from dodo.

http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2011/03/Casado.pdf = XMPP IOT project

I think tuomas wants to talk about some XMPP domain blacklisting stuff too.

imagi: sounds good

cchris434: also, the description likely isn't going to be made public

i'll reach out to the &yet folks - i'm sure fritzy will be there

So, pulling us back a bit - Friday Interop, Monday SUmmit (ie, technical talks) - yes or no?

yea

+1

+1

The reason I want to nail this down is because the Americans need to book flights while they're still relatively cheap.

sure

+1 (and +1 for flight booking timing)

would it make sense to try and co-ordinate an XMPP and federated social web day on Friday too?

I can book the Cisco rooms again

So I count "public support" and unanimous board support. Done with that one then.

I expect there will be no clash with the interop folks.

stpeter, That makes sense.

(in fact more rooms so that we can do breakouts for testing)

(etc.)

So - do we have sufficient time, energy, and people present to discuss Athena now?

we need to fix it - so yes

I'm actually going to take that as a no, and defer that one until next week.

ok

WFM

I think we do need to get it sorted, but I think we can safely wait a week.

so, meeting next week at the same time?

sure

I think that works - note that I believe there's a Council meeting typically starting at 1700, so we'd normally have a tighter time constraint than today.

right

that's not necessarily a bad thing :)

time constraints focus the discusion

+s

and less tardy members

heh

Right. So I motion to adjourn.

ok

seconded

And we're done.

good bye

calendar updated at http://xmpp.org/calendar/

Dave Cridland: shall I point potential demo people to you or to Ralph or to both?

stpeter, I think we should probably do the traditional thing and setup a Wiki page.

heh sure

ok

so http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos

will create some content there

stpeter, Will's not a board member anymore, we can't get him to do it.

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos created

I'm going to ping the internet of things people in Spain

MattJ: it seems that we never fixed the port 5290 problem on athena (to access the MUC logs)

Indeed, it's on my list... main hold-up was that I changed SSH key and needed to upload my new ones to hermes and athena

Did that, then the next day athena was down :)

ah yeah

heh

brb

"Couldn't send message: Message was rejected"

That'd be why I wasn't seeing any traffic, then.

heh

I must say that find it annoying when people send me email messages in French and Italian (etc.) and expect me to read them -- at least use Google Translate or somesuch!

Kvatch? That's a town in Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, isn't it? :)

:P

I grew up in the New York City area, so Yiddishims creep into my day-to-day language...

Yiddishisms even :)

looks like we need to fill out http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012 -- I'll make a start on that this evening along with other things I've been putting off

it seems that the email flow has started to slow down already, perhaps this will give me a chance to catch up