XSF Discussion - 2012-01-04

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  17. dwd

    My phone just nudged me about the meeting.

  18. dwd

    My initial thought was "But surely that's on Wednesday?!"

  19. stpeter


  20. dwd

    I wonder if anyone else remembered.

  21. stpeter

    it's in the calendar...

  22. Kev

    I'm too busy writing about PSA...

  23. stpeter

    perhaps few use that

  24. dwd

    stpeter, That's the same excuse my wife uses.

  25. stpeter

    Kev: there's a public service announcement?

  26. Kev

    No, Presence State Annotations, silly.

  27. dwd

    stpeter, Ah, he's not mentioned this one to you yet?

  28. stpeter is slammed today with IESG work

  29. stpeter

    Kev: ah yes, I forgot about that

  30. dwd

    stpeter, We felt that since I aready had Dialback-Without-Dialback, you ought to have this one. :-)

  31. stpeter

    aw shucks

  32. kevin

    Wew..very tired...I have to go us next month.I have a very hard exam(

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  34. stpeter

    it's confusing to have "Kev" and "kevin" here :)

  35. Kev

    Yes, I noticed that.

  36. Kev

    It's confusing enough just me being here.

  37. stpeter

    I don't see Ashley online

  38. stpeter

    nor Florian

  39. dwd

    No, nor me. Actually I don't see any directors about.

  40. stpeter


  41. dwd

    I mean, aside from me, and bear (who is online, but I suspect only in a connected kind of way).

  42. dwd

    I also don't see Ralph, and I was going to ask if there was any news on the stand/booth/lounge thing?

  43. dwd

    (And why I put a question mark there I don't know)

  44. Kev

    I've not heard from Ralph since I poked him about a Council meeting several weeks ago.

  45. stpeter


  46. dwd

    The FOSDEM website still says acceptance notifications will be on the 22nd of last month, and proposals are under consideration.

  47. stpeter

    I haven't seen anything about it on the FOSDEM list

  48. Kev

    http://doomsong.co.uk/extensions/render/psa.html is the current protodraft of PSA, FWIW.

  49. dwd

    Florian says he's driving, and talkonaut doesn't want to log in.

  50. dwd

    Which is probably a good thing.

  51. stpeter


  52. stpeter

    um yeah

  53. dwd

    His driving is interesting enough without him trying to type, too.

  54. stpeter

    it's difficult to schedule meetings the first few days after such long holidays...

  55. dwd

    Yeah, I realise this is a little ambitious.

  56. dwd

    Trouble is, with FOSDEM, there's things to keep an eye on.

  57. stpeter


  58. Kev

    Current state is that we know we have a room, but don't know about the stand yet, but have decided on Fri/Mon?

  59. stpeter


  60. dwd

    That's about the shape.

  61. dwd

    We've not actually considered talks at all.

  62. Kev

    Do we know that we managed to *request* a stand?

  63. stpeter

    however I need to follow up with the Cisco folks in Brussels about quite a few things, won't have time until tomorrow afternoon

  64. dwd

    I don't know for certain that it went off. I know we wrote the proposal, though.

  65. Kev

    Better than last year.

  66. dwd

    Right, well this meeting's obviously not going to happen, unless I declare a quorum of one

  67. dwd

    And that seems rather dictatorial.

  68. stpeter


  69. Kev

    Perhaps we should change the bylaws so that Council Chair and Executive Director can count insted of Board members.

  70. Kev

    It might increase the chances of reaching quorum from time to time.

  71. dwd

    I did wonder about making those positions ex-officio, but that doesn't help, I think.

  72. Kev

    I don't think that it necessarily follows that it doesn't.

  73. dwd

    Ex-officio members don't vote and don't count for quorum, I think.

  74. Kev

    Typically, or in the bylaws?

  75. Kev

    I don't remember ex-officio rules in our bylaws, particularly, and ex-officio doesn't necessarily imply less-than-normal membership elsewhere, I think.

  76. dwd

    Plus if Exec Director and Council CHair were formally counted, and could vote, then they'd be voting members not selected directly by the members, which - I think - would be wrong.

  77. stpeter


  78. Kev

    Well, Council Chair would be directly selected, ED admittedly wouldn't.

  79. stpeter


  80. Kev

    Naturally not if it changed mid-term.

  81. Kev

    Well, ok, depends how you mean 'directly'.

  82. dwd

    Kev, No, Council members are directly selected, but the Council chair is selected by the Council, so in principle that's indirect.

  83. Kev

    Each Council member is directly selected and has the potential to become Chair.

  84. Kev


  85. Kev

    How's the xmppverify project going, btw?

  86. dwd

    I've not looked.

  87. stpeter

    it's not going

  88. dwd

    We've a list of fosdem@xmpp.org, correct?

  89. stpeter

    I still need to post to the members@ list about the various teams and sigs

  90. dwd

    I was just drafting something along those lines for the FOSDEM/Interop ones.

  91. dwd

    Hence my query.

  92. stpeter

    we have summit@

  93. stpeter

    I can create fosdem@

  94. stpeter

    for the fosdem team

  95. stpeter

    if desired

  96. dwd

    No, summit@ is fine.

  97. stpeter

    http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo is shorter than it used to be :)

  98. dwd

    I don't think they need a second list, and I'm sure that anyone generally interested in the summit will be interested in FOSDEM.

  99. stpeter nods

  100. Kev

    Oh, on the contrary, I'm interested in the summit but FOSDEM bores me silly :)

  101. stpeter


  102. Kev

    I'd just as soon have all three days somewhere else.

  103. Kev

    Ideally Cardiff.

  104. stpeter


  105. Kev

    London at a push.

  106. dwd


  107. Kev

    Sure, we could do the XSF meal at the Ashoka.

  108. stpeter

    that'd be fine with me

  109. stpeter

    I'm not wedded to FOSDEM or Brussels

  110. dwd

    stpeter, You realise the train journey almost exceeds the flight time?

  111. Kev

    I think Bridgend generally lacks the culture of other places. Any other places.

  112. stpeter

    it's just happened to be convenient in the past

  113. Kev

    Cardiff's nice, London's find and is easy for everyone to get to.

  114. Kev


  115. stpeter

    I think it would be fun to hold an XMPP meetup in Denver at the same time as http://www.greatamericanbeerfestival.com/ :)

  116. stpeter

    or make it more general than just XMPP -- The Great American App Festival sounds like a catchy name...

  117. dwd

    DO we call it the "XSF Summit", or the "XMPP Summit"?

  118. Kev

    Traditionally, the XMPP Summit, I believe.

  119. dwd

    Ah, "XMPP Summit".

  120. stpeter

    XMPP Summit

  121. dwd

    A few things to note about the upcoming XMPP Summit, happening at the same time as FOSDEM 2012. 1) The XSF has a formal "Work Team", open to any members, to lead the self-organization of our FOSDEM 2012 experience. Members should feel overwhelmingly encouraged to join, and help. Mailing list is at summit@xmpp.org (this list also covers other Summit-ty things). 2) The XSF has also formed a formal "Special Interest Group", open to all, to discuss Interop testing at the XMPP Summit, and in particular the Friday before FOSDEM 2012. Mailing list is at interop@xmpp.org 3) Finally, the XSF has a dev room at FOSDEM 2012, and has several slots available for interesting XMPP-related talks. In general, these talks are best used to target audiences wider than the core XMPP community. Talks are welcome from all. Thanks, Dave. (As XSF Chair)

  122. dwd

    Sending to both members@ and standards@, comments?

  123. Kev

    Not really.

  124. stpeter

    fire away

  125. dwd

    Added summit@ and interop@, for no good reason.

  126. dwd

    Well, makes people aware if they've already joined the lists and forgotten about them.

  127. stpeter nods

  128. stpeter


  129. Kev

    Unless someone's unsubbed me, I'm on both lists.

  130. dwd

    You'll soon find out.

  131. Kev

    Although I only see that mail on members. I wonder if gmail is doing odd squashing.

  132. dwd

    It'd be impressive, since they've different subject lines, but they do have the same message id.

  133. Kev

    from: Dave Cridland dave@cridland.net reply-to: XSF Members <members@xmpp.org> to: XSF Members <members@xmpp.org>, XMPP Standards <standards@xmpp.org>, XMPP Summit <summit@xmpp.org>, XMPP Interop <interop@xmpp.org> date: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:03 PM subject: [Members] XMPP Summit and FOSDEM 2012

  134. Kev

    Says gmail.

  135. dwd

    Well, I'm *pretty* sure you're on standards@, so...

  136. Kev

    I have been in the past, at least.

  137. stpeter

    dwd: are there minutes for the Board meeting at which we decided to close the CommTeam and TechReview Team?

  138. dwd

    stpeter, Think so.

  139. dwd

    Ah, yes, but only went to Board list.

  140. stpeter


  141. Kev

    Using the members list for Board business is going well, then.

  142. stpeter


  143. dwd

    Our esteemed chair also forwarded them using the wrong account, which didn't help much either.

  144. stpeter


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  147. stpeter

    hi Florian!

  148. Florian


  149. dwd

    Florian, Hiya. Did you book dinner, BTW?

  150. Florian

    so sorry I'm late

  151. Florian

    traffic jam on the ring

  152. Florian

    eh, not yet. I can go there tomorrow

  153. Florian

    same place?

  154. Florian

    with coach as usual?

  155. dwd

    I think the same place, with a message bus.

  156. dwd

    It's a good restaurant, and a good price, as I recall.

  157. Kev

    Is this the same as two years ago?

  158. Florian


  159. dwd


  160. Kev

    Vaguely remember it being sensible at teh time.

  161. dwd

    Kev, I know, they don't do pizza, but even so it's quite good.

  162. Florian

    I'll possibly change the menu a bit like I did last year

  163. Florian

    but I recall dwd .. you really liked one of the options?

  164. dwd

    Florian, There was something with bacon, yes.

  165. dwd

    Florian, And carpaccio.

  166. Florian

    right, I'll get together with them tomorrow

  167. Florian

    should I also try to get the Hotel?

  168. dwd

    Florian, But I'm assuming we're not going to get sponsorship from Nokia this time?

  169. Florian

    either the Best Western or the Meridien?

  170. Florian

    no, so it might be that people will need to pay a bit

  171. dwd

    Florian, Which was last year's? Meridien?

  172. Florian

    I mean, normally the full menu is €26

  173. Florian

    + drinks

  174. Florian

    which is very reasonable

  175. Florian

    last year, Meridien

  176. dwd

    stpeter, Which hotel did you guys stay in?

  177. stpeter

    not a good one

  178. stpeter

    got booked into the wrong one

  179. dwd

    stpeter, Ah, OK.

  180. dwd

    stpeter, I thought it was a Cisco rate thing.

  181. Florian


  182. stpeter

    it was quite a walk from the train station

  183. Florian

    but I recall our rate was quite good in the Meridien (5*)

  184. stpeter

    not *that* far

  185. dwd

    Florian, Meridien was good, yes.

  186. stpeter

    but had no wifi, right?

  187. Florian

    the Best Western (4*) was good as well

  188. dwd

    Florian, Which was that? The modern one near the chocolate shop?

  189. Florian

    it was the one where we had the summit in the basement

  190. Florian

    -2 underground

  191. dwd

    Florian, Oh, yes.

  192. dwd

    Florian, I didn't stay there.

  193. dwd

    (No Bacon!!!)

  194. Florian

    bit more affordable probably

  195. Florian

    but I'll get the rates tomorrow

  196. dwd

    Florian, See what we can get.

  197. Florian

    I'll look for 10 rooms

  198. dwd

    Florian, Isode is sending an alarming number this year.

  199. Florian

    10 double rooms should be alright?

  200. dwd

    Florian, So there's, erm, potentially 5 rooms just for us.

  201. Florian


  202. Florian

    I'll go for 12 then

  203. Florian

    but those are single rooms?

  204. Kev

    5 for Isode, 12 for Florian, anyone else going?

  205. Florian

    haha :D

  206. dwd

    FLorian's entourage takes a lot of room, you know.

  207. Kev


  208. Florian

    it's a big entourage ;)

  209. Florian

    and I take care of my peeps :)

  210. dwd

    Kev, It's the groupies I feel sorry for.

  211. Florian

    right ... so those are action items for me tomorrow

  212. Florian

    anything else I missed? T-Shirts?

  213. dwd

    Florian, But yes, shop around. I don't feel any of us *need* 5 star.

  214. Florian

    Realtime Lounge

  215. dwd

    Yeah, we need to consider t-shirts.

  216. dwd

    Florian, And we don't know anything on the stand front.

  217. dwd

    But I do have a pico-projector. Yay!

  218. Florian

    I'll have an N9 by that time :)

  219. dwd

    Florian, Oh? I did have an offer for getting them cheap. But I've decided it's not worth it - nicer to have maintained stuff.

  220. Florian

    interesting, how cheap? :)

  221. dwd

    Florian, To you...

  222. dwd

    Florian, Actually I can't remember.

  223. dwd

    Florian, But I figured it was cheaper to get a Lumia and reflash it.

  224. Florian

    well, I found them for £349 ... but then decided to bug people

  225. dwd

    Or at least simpler.

  226. Florian

    hehe ... not the same hardware though

  227. Florian

    anyways ...

  228. Florian

    what else is there to do for FOSDEM?

  229. dwd

    So, did you get anywhere on a dev challenge?

  230. Florian

    are the Cisco rooms booked?

  231. dwd

    Florian, stpeter said earlier he had some follow-up there.

  232. Florian

    dev challenge: haven't thought about it yet ...

  233. Florian

    will look for sponsors

  234. dwd

    Florian, Google, Samsung... Maybe ASUS/Acer?

  235. dwd

    Florian, Only Google would seem to have much contact with XMPP.

  236. Kev

    Find someone who'll sponsor an Android phone, and award it to the person doing the best Android UI for Swift :D

  237. Florian


  238. Florian

    I'll sjop around

  239. Florian

    else, would the XSF be able to award a prize?

  240. Florian

    that way we could also have a wider dev challenge goal

  241. dwd

    Florian, We'd need to find a sponsor to pay for it, still.

  242. Kev


  243. Kev

    I thought the question was whether the XSF could buy something out of funds.

  244. Florian


  245. Kev

    Not that the XSF has all that much money in the bank, I think.

  246. Florian

    and not that I'd want that

  247. stpeter


  248. Florian

    but it's an option I'd like to know about

  249. dwd

    Well, to be honest, I don't see why we-XSF would want to do it.

  250. Florian

    well, if we want to motivate people to write XMPP code ...

  251. dwd

    Florian, The XSF want to motivate people to write detailed specifications for needed protocols, though, surely? But a XEP-writing challenge sounds a little uninteresting.

  252. Florian

    doesn't the XSF also want to promote XMPP adoption though?

  253. dwd

    Florian, Yes, true enough.

  254. Florian

    again, I don't really want to have the XSF pay for a prize

  255. Florian


  256. Florian

    if it's that or no dev challenge ... I'd consider it

  257. dwd

    I think it's something that a sponsor would pay for, in any case.

  258. Florian

    ok, I'll go and look :)

  259. Kev

    I think it's something that seems nice in principle but actually doesn't get us much.

  260. Florian

    if anyone has any contacts at Apple, Google ...

  261. Florian

    drop me a line :D

  262. Florian

    Kev: true ... but question is ... was this because it was focused on Mobile?

  263. Florian

    or a specific area?

  264. Kev

    It's bcause it's not really practical.

  265. Kev

    "With two weeks' notice, write something cool and novel!".

  266. Kev


  267. Kev

    "Show us something cool you've already done"

  268. Kev

    Now, if we could give 12 months notice and say "Have the biggest contribution towards the open testing framework", that might be something.

  269. Florian

    well, we can do that as well

  270. Florian

    and then have the official "Launch" at the Summit

  271. Kev

    But we've got the close source vs. open source, cool vs. useful, etc. etc. etc. stuff going on.

  272. Kev

    It's all just a bit messy.

  273. Kev

    So if someone donates a phone to us, great, it's a bit cool and we can give it to someone for some arbitrary reason.

  274. Kev

    But I don't think it provides significant value to the XSF, or to the event.

  275. Kev

    (It probably does to the individual winning the device)

  276. Florian

    hmm, ok

  277. Kev

    Now, mind.

  278. dwd

    It'd be more fun if it did run for a year, and we showed off the exciting projects at the end, instead of only showing them in a small room in front of the Converted.

  279. Kev

    We could do an award for "Greatest contribution to XMPP" or something.

  280. dwd

    I wondered about that.

  281. dwd


  282. Kev

    Which is only slightly pointless as it'd be Peter each and every bloody year.

  283. Florian


  284. Florian


  285. dwd

    Right. Failing that, you win.

  286. dwd

    It becomes a dangerous thing of back-slapping.

  287. Kev

    It'll be ED, Council or Board, at least.

  288. Kev


  289. dwd

    Maybe "Best newcomer"?

  290. Kev


  291. Kev

    (Yes to previous backslapping)

  292. dwd slaps Kev's back.

  293. Kev

    I was thinking about something like like, although I've not yet articulated the idea sufficiently.

  294. Kev

    I'd like "Best new XMPP project", but that's not right.

  295. Kev

    (Because mostly we'd rather have stable projects than lots of two-month projects existing and falling off)

  296. Kev

    (Royal we)

  297. dwd

    You're CHair of the Council, ROyal we is appropriate, yes.

  298. Kev

    Then there's "XMPP Client of the year" or "XMPP Server of the year", neither of which are viable.

  299. dwd

    That'd be just a tad contentious.

  300. Kev

    Right. Not viable.

  301. Kev

    Swift's the best client, anyway.

  302. Kev

    Swift's probably the best server, too, if it means I get goodies.

  303. Florian


  304. Kev

    Oh, and Swiften's the best library.

  305. Kev


  306. dwd

    Best logo?

  307. Kev

    Ah, yes, Psi should win something :)

  308. dwd


  309. Kev

    So, my upshot is that if Florian can easily find someone to donate something cool, then yay, we can find a way to donate it to someone and raise a small amount of noise.

  310. Florian


  311. Kev

    That the overall XSF gain isn't significant, though, so not to put too much effort into it.

  312. dwd

    So anyway, this sounds like we're looking at, if anything, a year-long dev challenge, or at best a "Come to FOSDEM and Show Your Thang™ at the Realtime Lounge™ to win a prize!!!".

  313. Kev

    More interesting would be finding someone willing to sponsor prizes for progress to the validator, or similar XSF-interesting projects.

  314. Florian

    dwd: a lot of TM

  315. Kev

    In fact, I think Board could take on such a challenge with good reason, if they felt there was a chance of progress.

  316. dwd

    I'm somewhat swayed that encouraging people to show cool things at the stand is a worthy objective, but I'm not sure it's worth the XSF splashing out for.

  317. Kev

    Cool Stuff At The Stand™ is interesting, I'll grant.

  318. dwd

    Mostly because it achieves the objective of ensnaring developer mindshare.

  319. Kev

    And provides an unscientific but satisfying judging criterion.

  320. dwd


  321. Kev

    (Perceived popularity from passers-by)

  322. Kev

    Although then we have the problem of everyone who's ever written an XMPP client thinking their client is new and interesting and much better than everyone else's so it deserves airtime on the stand.

  323. Kev

    And I don't think demoing a client that's slightly more usable than other clients, in slightly different ways, is exactly the point of a realytimeyloungey.

  324. dwd

    Agreed, but too much stuff to show would be a problem I'd enjoy solving.

  325. Kev

    (I'm not even proposing we demo Swift at the stand)

  326. dwd

    RIght, I need to wander off for a bit, to hav efood with the family.

  327. Kev

    (Well, not as a boring XMPP client, there *are* fun applications of it...)

  328. Kev


  329. Kev

    See, four people attending the Board meeting, that's good going out of a Board of five people.

  330. Kev

    A slight shame that only 2 of the attendees were Board...

  331. stpeter


  332. stpeter notes that he's reviewing https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sieve-include/ and hasn't been paying close attention

  333. Kev

    More attention than 3/5 of Board.

  334. Florian

    so what needs to be done for the realtime lounge?

  335. Florian

    are we waiting for a reply from FOSDEM?

  336. Kev

    I don't know, I'm aware it's planned, but not what.

  337. Kev

    I think so, yes.

  338. Florian


  339. Florian

    btw, Kev: when is Swift getting history?

  340. Kev

    Not 2.0, sadly.

  341. Florian

    damn :(

  342. Florian

    it's the thing that I miss most in it

  343. Kev


  344. stpeter

    BTW, what are all the Isode folks interested in working on / discussing in Brussels? any interop testing on offer?

  345. Kev

    You'd need to speak to our VP of XMPP about that!

  346. Kev

    I would have thought that we'd participate in any interop testing that was happening, at least.

  347. stpeter

    well, as you know, interop testing requires some organizational efforts :)

  348. stpeter

    BOSH testing was semi-productive last time

  349. Florian

    it was

  350. dwd

    Il Vice-Presidente would be interested in doing interop on BOSH again.

  351. dwd

    And in general terms, whatever we can interop test, we're willing to be involved in - I can run up CAs and whatever as required, too.

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  354. ralphm

    Florian:I'm not sure why we haven't heard back from FOSDEM, but I checked and haven't gotten a reply

  355. ralphm

    Also, I think we messed up with sending out a call for participation for the devroom

  356. ralphm

    as in, not having done that

  357. stpeter

    hey ralphm

  358. stpeter

    time for lunch, bbiaf

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  361. Neustradamus

    It will be possible to choice a license for the XMPP logo ? because MIT is for software...

  362. stpeter

    we use MIT for documents, why not images?

  363. ralphm

    Neustradamus: please actually read the license stpeter has pointed to in the emails.

  364. ralphm


  365. Neustradamus

    already done but it is not very clear :/

  366. ralphm

    as stpeter has mentioned, it was modified to not be about code

  367. Neustradamus


  368. stpeter

    I don't have time to look at it today, but I will do so again tomorrow

  369. ralphm

    it does mention 'Specification'

  370. ralphm

    so maybe we could work on that

  371. ralphm

    other than that, what you can do with it seems really clear

  372. stpeter

    as you might recall, we once used a Creative Commons license but that conflicted with the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which is why we moved to MIT

  373. Neustradamus


  374. Neustradamus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian-OpenLogo.svg I see.

  375. Neustradamus

    We can see for add a part about the logo http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-ipr-policy/#legal ;)

  376. stpeter

    Neustradamus: interesting about the Debian logo

  377. stpeter

    Neustradamus: that might work

  378. stpeter

    Neustradamus: as I said, I won't have time to really think about this until tomorrow

  379. Neustradamus

    yes no problem ;)

  380. Neustradamus

    can you see tomorrow for the xmpp.org theme in the same time ?

  381. Neustradamus

    about the FOSDEM, have you seen with Goffi ( Salut à Toi project) ?

  382. stpeter

    yes, I will look at this stuff tomorrow or Friday

  383. ralphm

    stpeter: just provide the postscript for the logo and license that with MIT. Done. :-)

  384. stpeter

    heh nice :)

  385. Neustradamus

    http://www.debian.org/logos/ there is a nice page, good example for XSF maybe ;)

  386. ralphm

    so it appears Debian has its own issues, w.r.t. trademarks

  387. stpeter nods to ralphm

  388. Neustradamus


  389. ralphm

    I don't think we could or want to trademark 'XMPP', and the license for the swirl seems to be a regular MIT license

  390. Neustradamus

    about the Jabber logo, how is it ?

  391. ralphm

    falling under 'and associated documentation files'

  392. ralphm

    Neustradamus: I believe the Jabber logo is also designed for the XSF

  393. ralphm

    then Jabber Software Foundation

  394. Kev

    "Jabber" Is trademarked, though.

  395. ralphm

    and the same applies, except that 'Jabber' does a have trademark

  396. ralphm

    currently owned by Cisco

  397. ralphm

    and licensed through the XSF

  398. Neustradamus

    yes but the Jabber Software Foundation is now XMPP Standards Foundation, and Jabber Inc. is now a part of Cisco.

  399. ralphm

    Neustradamus: you can use the Logo freely

  400. ralphm

    Neustradamus: for anything with 'Jabber' in it, formally you'd need a license.

  401. ralphm


  402. Neustradamus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jabber_logo_simple.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jabber-bulb.svg (http://www.jabber.org/images/jsf-logo.vectorized.eps) http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/jabber-trademark/ (logo or image is missing :D)

  403. ralphm

    heh vectorized. I create that one at some point

  404. ralphm

    by tracing a large png

  405. stpeter

    well, there is fair use of various jabber stuff, see the trademark licensing policy

  406. ralphm

    stpeter: sure, that's why I linked to it

  407. ralphm

    those provisions are also an implicit license

  408. Kev

    Explicit, in fact :p

  409. ralphm

    so in all cases, a license is required

  410. ralphm

    even though it is automatic or whatever

  411. stpeter

    IPR stuff makes my head hurt

  412. stpeter

    not as bad as internationalization stuff, though

  413. stpeter moves on to reviewing https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6lowpan-nd/

  414. ralphm

    good move

  415. stpeter

    necessary move, anyway

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  418. dwd

    ralphm, So basically FOSDEM are running behind a bit on the stands, we think?

  419. ralphm

    dwd: yes

  420. ralphm

    dwd: it is also stated on their website that they are still in review

  421. dwd

    ralphm, Yeah, but it also states they'll be sending out acceptance on the 22nd of December, so...

  422. ralphm

    I know

  423. ralphm

    yaloki: ralphm: no, they're done but we need to announce them

  424. ralphm

    dwd: so there

  425. ralphm

    yaloki: ralphm: let's say "this week" yaloki: ralphm: but yes, you have your stand

  426. dwd


  427. dwd

    ralphm, Tell him thanks.

  428. ralphm

    does 'awesome' cover that?

  429. dwd

    ralphm, Kinda. Tell him an official thanks from the XSF, and that we appreciate all the hard work. (Well as official as his "you have your stand" is).

  430. ralphm

    'np yw'

  431. ralphm


  432. Neustradamus

    Note : Update of the year on XEPs... (2011 becomes 2012).

  433. ralphm

    It is likely that the XEPs haven't changed (yet) this year

  434. ralphm

    also, the notice is not actually required

  435. dwd

    Not requiredm but it is advisable.

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