XSF Discussion - 2012-01-10

  1. Neustradamus

    note: Do not forget this group: http://identi.ca/group/xs and http://identi.ca/group/xmpp

  2. Peter Waher


  3. jef


  4. Florian

    evening all

  5. Zash


  6. dwd

    Evening all.

  7. kevin


  8. stpeter


  9. Marc


  10. Marc

    hello all, how are u all?

  11. stpeter

    hi Marc

  12. kevin

    stpeter: how are you today?

  13. Alex

    hi everybody

  14. kevin


  15. stpeter

    kevin: actually a bit under the weather, thanks for asking

  16. stpeter

    hi Alex!

  17. Florian

    hi Alex

  18. Marc

    >stpeter: hi Marc how are you???

  19. Alex

    ok guys

  20. Alex bangs the gavel

  21. Alex

    Here is our agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2012-01-10/

  22. Alex

    1) Call for Quorum

  23. Alex

    as you can see 36 members voted via proxy, so we have a quorum

  24. dwd

    Looks like we're quorate, indeed.

  25. stpeter

    I voted (but I didn't get around to it until a few hours ago!)

  26. Alex

    <a, good turnout

  27. Marc

    huh, confused :S

  28. Alex

    2) Items Subject to a Vote

  29. Alex

    new and returning memebrs, you can see all applications here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q4_2011

  30. Alex

    3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

  31. Marc

    can i vote?

  32. Alex

    anybody wants to vote i nthe meeting?

  33. Marc


  34. dwd

    Marc, Are you a member?

  35. Marc


  36. Florian

    in that case, you can't :)

  37. Alex

    when you tell me your real name

  38. Marc

    i wanna join tho

  39. dwd

    Marc, Only XSF Members may vote.

  40. Marc

    my real name is Marcus :)

  41. Marc

    okay , guess i will shut up then

  42. stpeter

    Marcus: we will have another membership application period starting soon after this meeting is done :)

  43. Marc

    Carry on

  44. Alex

    I will open the new application page tomorrow, then you can apply and vote soon ;-)

  45. Marc

    Thank you

  46. Alex

    ok, then I prepare the results

  47. stpeter


  48. Zash


  49. Alex

    4) Announcement of Voting Results

  50. Alex

    When you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2012-01-10/ you can see the results

  51. Alex

    all new and returning members were accepted

  52. dwd

    Everyone made it, then.

  53. Alex


  54. Zash


  55. dwd

    Mind you, I thought we had a particularly good crop this time around.

  56. Peter Waher


  57. dwd

    Zash, Welcome to the XSF. :-)

  58. Zash


  59. dwd

    Peter Waher, And you, too.

  60. Peter Waher

    Thank you :)

  61. dwd

    Now, guys, just remember to come to the Summit.

  62. stpeter


  63. stpeter


  64. Alex

    5) Any Other Business?

  65. stpeter

    come to FOSDEM and the XMPP Summit!

  66. dwd

    And do talks, and demos, and bring your wallets for sponsorship. :-)

  67. Alex

    the € is in crises, wallet is empty ;-)

  68. stpeter


  69. stpeter

    at least my dollars will go farther this time :)

  70. Alex

    yes :D

  71. Alex

    more beer for the dollars

  72. stpeter


  73. stpeter


  74. stpeter

    Florian found an inexpensive hotel this time

  75. Alex

    just kidding, we are serious guys, no beer only work. Otherwise Marc will not join us ;-)

  76. stpeter

    but no other business here

  77. Alex

    6) Formal Adjournment

  78. Marc

    >Alex: just kidding, we are serious guys, no beer only work. Otherwise Marc will not join us LOL hey i like beer too :D

  79. Alex

    I motion that we adjourn

  80. Steven Parkes


  81. Alex bangs the gavel

  82. stpeter

    thank you, Alex, as always!

  83. Alex

    no problem

  84. kevin

    1 beer for me please!

  85. Marc

    i am from the uk after all :D

  86. Kev

    Thanks Alex.

  87. Marc

    *follows everyone* thanks Alex

  88. Peter Waher

    Where/how is the best location/method for starting forming interest groups withing xmpp.org ?

  89. Alex adds the new members to the mailing list

  90. stpeter

    Peter Waher: what interest group are you interested in?

  91. stpeter

    typically we discuss technical topics on the standards@xmpp.org list and organizational topics on the members@xmpp.org list

  92. Peter Waher


  93. Peter Waher

    I'm currently interested in three areas

  94. stpeter

    there's a list of lsits at http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo

  95. Peter Waher

    1) Sensor networks

  96. Peter Waher

    2) Distributed social networks

  97. Peter Waher

    3) Extensions of semantic web to p2p networks

  98. kevin

    Marc: hows weather there?

  99. Peter Waher

    How do I best come in contact with members interested in similar topics?

  100. Peter Waher

    Mailing to above mailing lists?

  101. MiGri

    thats one goos way

  102. MiGri


  103. stpeter

    Peter Waher: I've been talking with other people interested in sensor networks and smartgrid and such -- I might start a new discussion list about that topic

  104. Peter Waher

    excellent. :)

  105. stpeter

    Peter Waher: there is definitely some interest in that topic among a small but active community of people

  106. Zash

    (mailing lists need pep-style filtering)

  107. stpeter

    as to distributed social networks, we have some talks now and then with the OStatus / StatusNet / etc. folks

  108. Kev

    And BuddyCloud, most notably.

  109. Marc

    >kevin: Marc: hows weather there? damp and cold :| hows the weather there?

  110. stpeter

    kev: indeed

  111. kevin

    Marc: too Cold : D

  112. Peter Waher

    We're interested in building social network applications based on XMPP and Plug Computers

  113. Marc

    >kevin: Marc: too Cold : D what its cold there too? oh and join my website now :)

  114. Peter Waher

    which would help users maintain ownership control of the life cycle of published information

  115. stpeter

    Peter Waher: sounds interesting

  116. stpeter

    Peter Waher: you'll definitely want to chat with the BuddyCloud guys

  117. Zash

    Related to Freedom box?

  118. stpeter

    Peter Waher: we have a list for XMPP and social networking at http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social

  119. dwd

    stpeter, I was going to say, the buddycloud guys have built a distributed social network on the back of XMPP.

  120. stpeter

    dwd: yes indeed

  121. Alex

    you are all subscribed now

  122. Peter Waher

    Looks interesting. Will definitely have a look at what they offer and see if we can work together somehow.

  123. stpeter

    Peter Waher: cool

  124. dwd

    Peter Waher, buddycloud is about as open as you could hope for, the only problem is they're weak on formal docs about the protocol.

  125. stpeter

    Peter Waher: where are you located? several BuddyCloud folks and other federated social web people will be at FOSDEM / XMPP Summit (that reminds me, I need to follow up with Simon about that...)

  126. dwd

    Peter Waher, But they'll all be at the SUmmit.

  127. Marc

    >Peter Waher: We're interested in building social network applications based on XMPP and Plug Computers i am intergrating xmpp/jabber into my website :)

  128. Marc

    so you can join rooms nad such :)

  129. Marc


  130. Peter Waher

    I'm located in Sweden. I was thinking about perhaps going to the summit if time allows.

  131. Peter Waher

    It would be a great way to share ideas and find peers interested in similar topics

  132. dwd

    imaginator, Hi Simon.

  133. Marc

    >Peter Waher: It would be a great way to share ideas and find peers interested in similar topics indeed

  134. imaginator

    Hi Dave. Simon here.

  135. dwd

    Peter Waher, imaginator is Simon Tennant, the founder of buddycloud.

  136. Peter Waher

    Hello Simon

  137. kevin

    Hi Simon!

  138. Peter Waher

    Just got introduced to buddycloud

  139. imaginator

    so one of the buddycloud projects (sponsored by Google) is the taste engine that looks through channels / pubsub nodes and finds similar followers.

  140. imaginator


  141. imaginator

    Hi Peter and Kev.

  142. dwd

    imaginator, I was also going to bug you about looking at XEP-0309 in relation to buddycloud channels.

  143. Marc

    Hi Simon :)

  144. imaginator

    I've not seen that before. How does 309 deal with getting a wider view rather than just a per-server?

  145. imaginator

    to me this is the real value of Abmar's code. Since jid's are universal - it can get better ideas of taste from looking across multiple open nodes on multiple servers.

  146. dwd

    imaginator, XEP-0309 is newly minted today. But it acts as a central registry service for other services to register themselves with.

  147. dwd

    imaginator, I think it's primarily aimed at replacing the existing server list on xmpp.org, but it could be extended easily, I think, to act as a directory of channels ervers, or channels.

  148. dwd

    imaginator, But anyway - reason I poked you was because Peter Waher was talking about wanting to work on distributed social networking. I think you may know a thing or two about it...

  149. Peter Waher

    Tried to add you as a contact so we could chat later, but it seems I can't get user info about your user. What's you JID?

  150. Marc

    Hi all, i have a qestion?

  151. imaginator

    Regarding the standardisation bits of bc. AT the moment it's been all kept on https://buddycloud.org/wiki/XMPP_XEP but I'd like to start XEP-ing and looking for improvements as more people and servers start to be run.

  152. Marc

    what is better to run a jabber/xmpp server? ejabberd or openfire

  153. stpeter

    Marc: that depends on your requirements :)

  154. imaginator

    Peter - simon@buddycloud.com - always happy to chat.

  155. Marc

    well i want to use msn and so on,

  156. imaginator will also be at FOSDEM

  157. Marc

    and it cannot take to much of my pc memory, as i am running a crappy pc for a server atm

  158. dwd

    Marc, There's lots of other servers aside from ejabberd and Openfire, too.

  159. Marc

    >dwd: Marc, There's lots of other servers aside from ejabberd and Openfire, too. okay can you tell me some please

  160. dwd


  161. Marc

    welcome bacK Alex

  162. Marc

    and another question, i have spectrum, but i do not know how to add it to ejabbed :(

  163. stpeter

    ok, I'm going to head home soon because I'm not feeling all that well, I'll be back a bit later

  164. stpeter

    imaginator: do we need to follow up with the FSW folks about their schedule in Brussels

  165. Marc

    >stpeter: ok, I'm going to head home soon because I'm not feeling all that well, I'll be back a bit later okay cya, and get well soon

  166. stpeter

    imaginator: e.g., time on Friday, some talks on Saturday in the xmpp devroom?

  167. kevin

    stpeter: bye have a nice day!

  168. stpeter

    imaginator: will ping you via some other technology, I need to log off now

  169. stpeter disappears in a puff of smoke

  170. Kev

    imaginator: Hi.

  171. Kev

    Sorry, was AFK, rather than ignoring.

  172. Peter Waher

    Thanks for today. Talk to you later.

  173. Marc

    wb Kev

  174. MattJ


  175. MattJ

    and there was much rejoicing

  176. Kev


  177. MattJ


  178. Zash rejoices

  179. Kev

    "Lord Zash has tasked me with sorting through you refuse to find one worthy of being her apprentice, and I intend to do just that."

  180. Kev

    Something you're not telling us?

  181. Zash


  182. Zash


  183. Kev

    Star Wars: The Old Republic.

  184. Kev

    Lord Zash seems to be a female Sith lord.

  185. Kev


  186. Zash


  187. dwd

    Zash, I'd just like you to know that I'm not even smiling. Not even a tiny bit.

  188. Kev

    That's Lord Zash to you, slave...

  189. Kev


  190. Kev

    I'm finding this very convincing.

  191. Zash

    ( Actually probable origin of my nick: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Zasz )

  192. Zash

    There's also a "Major League Lacrosse" player named Zash :/

  193. dwd

    ralphm, About?

  194. dwd

    ralphm, We seem to have a stand in AW - is this as well as the Realtime Lounge™?

  195. dwd

    ralphm, Because I'm not sure we really want both. Although it'd be great for doing Jingle calls between them, I suppose.

  196. MattJ


  197. ralphm

    dwd: well, they assigned that space in AW as a regular stand, but if we just present a nice place, we will /instead/ get the spot in K

  198. ralphm

    dwd: I haven't followed the stuff much this week. I'll try to look into what we have tomorrow

  199. dwd

    Ah, OK.

  200. ralphm

    Let's then see what we have, and come up with some prose

  201. ralphm

    dwd: do you have some preferred time slot for that?