XSF Discussion - 2012-01-11

  1. Marc

    hi i need help

  2. Marc


  3. goffi


  4. Neustradamus

    goffi would like to know if you have news about this request ? http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos and on ML.

  5. goffi

    Neustradamus: I have just posted an email about this

  6. goffi

    on summit@

  7. ralphm

    unless we suddenly have too many applications, in general you're in

  8. ralphm

    dwd and I will look into what we have, later today

  9. Florian

    Board meeting in 15mins

  10. stpeter


  11. stpeter

    dented and tweeted

  12. dwd

    Florian, You here (again) now?

  13. dwd

    (He said he'd lost his Virgin connection. I did *not* many any witty response whatsoever.)

  14. stpeter

    Florian is on a mobile device but might not be able to join this room using it

  15. dwd

    Well, I guess it's time.

  16. dwd

    I'm not going to look at quorum as such unless something actually comes up that we need to vote on, but it's awkward that Florian's not here, because I was going to ask him to summarize a few things.

  17. stpeter


  18. stpeter

    http://speeqe.com/room/xsf@muc.xmpp.org/ doesn't work

  19. stpeter

    I wonder if that's because speeqe can't handle non-standard s2s ports

  20. stpeter

    we could paste MUC messages into a one-to-one chat -- I had to do that recently with Chris

  21. dwd

    Could be.

  22. dwd

    I can't actually figure out which resource he's on, otherwise I'd do so.

  23. stpeter

    I'm chatting with him in another window

  24. Kev

    He can use the web logs, too.

  25. Kev

    Now that Matt fixed them.

  26. dwd


  27. dwd

    So I think these are up to date: http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-11/

  28. stpeter

    hi Chris

  29. dwd


  30. cchris434

    sorry about that

  31. dwd

    cchris434, That's fine, I'm not treating this as a proper meeting anyway, as such.

  32. cchris434


  33. stpeter pings Ashley

  34. Ashley Roach


  35. dwd makes edit to FOSDEM_2012, noting that SImon has two talks instead of just the one he should have.

  36. dwd

    OK, so we have 8 talks, and 8 hours to do them in.

  37. stpeter

    dwd: Simon just pinged the W3C Federated Social Web discussion list

  38. dwd

    I kept the "Ask The Experts" sessions out of it, and equally, the first talk there is going to be a short one welcoming people to the room, while Remko, Peter, and Kev setup for the talk I've put them in for.

  39. stpeter

    I think some of those folks will be interested in giving talks -- we can have a block of time for FSW topics

  40. dwd

    stpeter, Right, but my point is we're not actually looking too bad for talks, depending on the length.

  41. Kev

    I'm happy to give an additional talk if anyone can think of anything I know something about that's interesting. I'm not sure there is much.

  42. dwd

    Kev, Names of characters on Star Wars MMORPGs?

  43. Kev

    I've yet to meet Lord Zash, but I'm sure she's a lovely person.

  44. stpeter

    BTW I am keeping Florian informed about the messages here (note to self: write bot that relays a MUC room over one-to-one chat)

  45. stpeter

    Florian says: [09:42:23] <Florian> We need 8 more talks [09:42:32] <Florian> The Jitsi guys might hold one or two

  46. dwd

    Meanwhile, we apparently have 12 people for the dinner, which is very low.

  47. stpeter

    [09:43:18] <Florian> About Jingle or other stuff

  48. dwd

    That's usually a good indicator of attendance, so I'm a little concerned.

  49. dwd

    stpeter, It depends on the talks' length. If we're assuming that each talk is a half-hour slot, then yes, there's 16 talks we need. I suspect, though, that different talks are different lengths, and we'll need to get a handle on that.

  50. Kev

    I've just not filled out the form yet.

  51. Kev

    dwd: I think we should think very carefully before assigning more than 30mins to any talk other than 101.

  52. stpeter

    Kev: agreed

  53. stpeter

    short talks are more engaging

  54. stpeter

    [09:45:44] <Florian> Re dinner people: this is after 2 days of menu submissions [09:45:59] <Florian> So it's not that bad

  55. dwd

    There's usually one or two talks that are worth extending. Simon Tennant was going to talk about XMPP/Web, as with his recent post - I've a feeling that could easily cause a floor debate.

  56. stpeter

    floor debate would be excellent

  57. dwd

    Right. I think we should assume this will happen, and plan for it, in this case.

  58. stpeter

    [09:47:09] <Florian> Hotel booking link will be live tomorrow. Talked to them this afternoon

  59. Kev

    Simon's talk may be a good one to seriously consider.

  60. Kev

    But that's still only two at more than 30mins.

  61. dwd

    Florian, ANd yes, I know it's only two days, but still, I was hoping to see a little more enthusiasm.

  62. stpeter

    [09:48:08] <Florian> Yeah, floor debates would be cool

  63. Kev

    I shudder even thinking about an hour-long talk on "Hey, I wrote an XMPP client" like we've had in previous years.

  64. stpeter


  65. stpeter

    dwd: we just keep poking people, and probably need to establish deadlines of sorts for talks, dinner, etc.

  66. dwd thinks that SImon's talk and Dodo's talk have been swapped, possibly. Will check.

  67. dwd

    stpeter, Yes, true. That said, an alarming number of people I've personally poked have said they're not coming, or are unlikely to come at this stage.

  68. Kev

    To the summit or the meal?

  69. dwd

    Kev, To the whole thing.

  70. stpeter

    well, FOSDEM is always a bit difficult because it happens so soon after the winter holidays -- it's difficult to get prepared so quickly after that, and before that people are focused on other things

  71. Kev

    That's a shame.

  72. dwd

    Right. But still, we can deal with most of this.

  73. dwd

    What we are very short on, currently, is demos.

  74. stpeter

    [09:52:26] <Florian> Same issue here as dwd. A lot of no's or not sure

  75. dwd

    SO far, from memory, buddycloud, openov.nl, and Salut à toi are doing demos. I'm still trying to get something interesting together.

  76. dwd

    Anyone know of any more?

  77. dwd

    Oh, there's some possibility of doing Jingle calls between us an the Jitsi people, I think.

  78. Astro

    just a little side question: will there be video recordings of the buddycloud talk?

  79. dwd

    Astro, Not unless somebody videos them.

  80. stpeter


  81. stpeter

    FOSDEM doesn't provide such services :)

  82. Astro

    ok, thanks

  83. Kev

    dwd: I *suppose* we could do some sort of "lots of platforms talking together" (with phones, tablets, whathaveyous all joined into a MUC), but it's clutching at straws.

  84. stpeter

    dwd: I pinged some smartgrid folks about an XMPP demo

  85. dwd

    Kev, I suppose it's a nice demo of the myriad of platforms XMPP runs on, yes.

  86. dwd

    Florian says: [16:56:36] Florian Jensen: Yes, jitsi [16:56:58] Florian Jensen: They're up for talks and demod

  87. stpeter

    I suppose we could have demos of things we know use XMPP even if the developers aren't there -- drop.io and such

  88. stpeter

    Google Hangouts :)

  89. stpeter

    and all that

  90. stpeter

    [09:58:55] <Florian> Jitsi: would be cool to have a video call going from the RTL to the Jitsi stand

  91. dwd

    We also need to figure out what to populate the stand with - by which I mean, projectors, beanbags, or whatever the heck else we fancy.

  92. dwd

    Florian, Yes, I agree. I think it's a neat demonstration of the reality of XMPP as a Skype competitor.

  93. Kev


  94. Kev


  95. dwd

    stpeter, I was meaning to ask - can Cisco lend us projectors and things, for FOSDEM?

  96. stpeter

    dwd: no idea, but I can find out

  97. dwd

    stpeter, Otherwise we can probably hire them easily enough, but I thought Cisco might have that kind of kit around.

  98. stpeter

    dwd: I'll be at the Cisco office in Diegem on Thursday afternoon (I have an IESG telechat starting at 16:30 local time, I believe), so I can pick up equipment if needed and possible

  99. stpeter

    [10:01:32] <Florian> So i think demoes is not really a problem

  100. stpeter

    [10:01:52] <Florian> It's more the beanbags

  101. stpeter

    I don't think the Cisco offices have beanbags on offer ;-)

  102. stpeter

    [10:02:28] <Florian> Yes, Cisco projectors would be a great help

  103. stpeter

    I'll see what I can do for projectors

  104. stpeter

    this is for the RTL lounge?

  105. dwd


  106. stpeter

    would we also need a screen>

  107. dwd

    And yes, I'm not aware of Cisco beanbags.

  108. stpeter

    i.e., on what will we project?

  109. dwd

    Screens would be useful. If needs be we can project onto walls - I'd prefer that if we can.

  110. stpeter


  111. stpeter

    well, we could borrow this stuff on Friday and return it Monday, so I wouldn't need to shlepp it all on Thursday

  112. stpeter

    I'll follow up with the Cisco folks in Diegem about it

  113. dwd


  114. dwd

    ANd if they happen to have Cisco iBeanbags, that'd be great too.

  115. stpeter


  116. stpeter

    I've never seen a beanbag in a Cisco office -- it's not some hip startup ;-)

  117. dwd

    We should probably look about and see if such things could be hired.

  118. dwd

    Unless there are any hip startups attending who could lend us their beanbags.

  119. stpeter

    [10:08:16] <Florian> I might try BetaCowork [10:08:49] <Florian> They're an incubator

  120. stpeter

    [10:09:03] <Florian> They have such things

  121. dwd

    OK. And I guess there must be places in Brussels that deal with trade shows wanting odd things, etc.

  122. Florian


  123. Florian

    so ... Virgin Media is back for a bit

  124. dwd

    Florian, It lives!

  125. stpeter

    heh nice

  126. Florian

    so yeah, BetaCoWork ... don't know anyone there really

  127. Florian

    but I know 2 members

  128. stpeter can stop his personal relay service

  129. Florian

    and we might be able to get help from them with beanbags

  130. Florian

    stpeter: thanks for that :)

  131. stpeter loads http://code.matthewwild.co.uk/riddim/ for later investigation of bot experimentation

  132. Florian

    I think the urgent thing now is ...

  133. Florian

    get a list of talks compiled

  134. Florian

    and put up on the xmpp.org page

  135. Florian

    so that we can also submit them to FOSDEM

  136. stpeter


  137. stpeter


  138. stpeter


  139. Florian

    I think the deadline for talks is the 15th

  140. stpeter


  141. Florian

    and we need to tell them that we only want the RTL, not RTL + Stand

  142. stpeter

    so we need to put out a clear call for talks with deadline

  143. Florian


  144. stpeter

    I can do that on jdev/standards/summit

  145. Florian


  146. dwd

    Florian, There was some discussion with Ralph about that last night.

  147. Florian


  148. dwd

    stpeter, Please.

  149. dwd

    Florian, We seem to have both, but they'll cancel the stand if the RTL comes together, or something.

  150. Florian

    ah right, that sounds good

  151. Florian

    well, let's focus on the RTL

  152. Florian

    worst case, we take the work from the RTL to the stand

  153. dwd

    Florian, I wasn't clear on the details, Ralph was going to ask them in detail later today.

  154. Florian

    ah, great

  155. Florian

    well, as long as they were made aware of the situation

  156. Florian

    anything else?

  157. dwd

    No, I don't think so.

  158. dwd

    Is there anything else from anyone else?

  159. Ashley Roach

    Not from me

  160. stpeter

    I just pinged the FSW list again

  161. dwd

    We'll call it a meeting, then.

  162. stpeter

    that is public-xg-federatedsocialweb@w3.org

  163. Ashley Roach


  164. Florian


  165. stpeter

    it's a public list in case you'd like to join

  166. Florian

    thanks all!

  167. Florian

    oh ... one last thing ...

  168. dwd

    Florian, Yes, Columbo?

  169. Florian

    if you know anyone else who has some money lying around ... dinner sponsorship is always appreciated

  170. Florian

    I'm thinking 50 Cent: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2085191/50-Cent-Floyd-Mayweather-photos-Rapper-shows-loose-change.html

  171. dwd

    Florian, Wow. Subtle guy.

  172. stpeter

    I sent an email about devroom talks

  173. stpeter

    I'm going to open posting to summit@xmpp.org for a few days so that non-members can post

  174. dwd

    OK, sounds like a good idea.

  175. stpeter

    i.e., moderator can approve

  176. stpeter

    shall we have another chat next week to maintain momentum?

  177. stpeter

    I can add it to the calendar

  178. dwd


  179. stpeter

    that will immediately follow the next XMPP Council meeting

  180. dwd

    Oh, on the "ask the experts" thing we usually do - I was wondering if we have shorter, more focussed versions in between the talks, to allow for speaker transition (given that the ask the experts sessions have no slides or laptops).

  181. stpeter


  182. stpeter

    that might work

  183. dwd

    So we'd have talk, followed by ask the experts on security, followed by talk, followed by a-t-e on pubsub, or something.

  184. dwd

    PubSubHubbub! I'm not sure we allow *that* sort of thing...

  185. stpeter


  186. Zash

    Not sure if want.

  187. stpeter

    I think it could be a useful discussion -- compare and contrast

  188. stpeter

    and it might lead to some lively interactions :)

  189. Zash

    über basics of pubsub + dialback :P

  190. Kev

    We could have some SIMPLE folks come in and present...

  191. stpeter

    Kev: now that's beyond the pale!

  192. dwd

    Kev, I'll ask Florian about obtaining rotten tomatos.

  193. Kev

    Or Y! Messenger, perhaps.

  194. Kev

    A certain presentation from a few years ago is brought to mind, where the presenter took it as an opportunity to bash the XSF and explain that he was smarter than everyone there.

  195. Kev

    ...and then I realise Peter might have been the only other one (here) there.

  196. dwd

    Yeah, I'm just a noob.

  197. stpeter

    I don't recall that presenter

  198. Kev

    No Doubt - Just a noob.

  199. Kev

    stpeter: Virtual avatars.

  200. stpeter

    ah yes

  201. stpeter

    although I don't remember much bashing -- perhaps I'm thick-skinned or I just have a bad memory

  202. Kev

    Maybe I misremember. I was young(er) and foolish(er) back then :)

  203. stpeter


  204. Florian

    well, if we can get someone from Yahoo or Microsoft there

  205. Florian

    it would be great to have a panel :)

  206. dwd

    MSFT arem after all, users of XMPP now.

  207. Florian


  208. dwd

    I actually dropped Bernard Aboba a mail suggesting they came.

  209. stpeter


  210. dwd

    Haven't heard anything, yet.

  211. Zash

    Hm, what about Facebook?

  212. dwd

    I have no contacts there.

  213. Florian

    yeah, if any of the big guys could send someone

  214. Florian

    they can bring dinner sponsorship :)

  215. dwd

    I did think about trying to contact the Valve/Steam guys.

  216. dwd

    I've no contacts there, either, but they're one of the last big IM systems without XMPP access, I think.

  217. dwd

    I mean, relevant ones. :-)

  218. Kev

    I saw a review of Evolve on RPS today, and noticed one of the commenters posting "They'd better be using XMPP" or such.

  219. dwd


  220. Neustradamus

    I can see for facebook, I can join XMPP developer guys of Facebook.

  221. Neustradamus

    you have a message ?

  222. Neustradamus

    stpeter: can you send me the xmpp.org theme ?

  223. stpeter

    it's the Carrington Theme

  224. stpeter

    you want the specific PHP files currently on the file system?

  225. Neustradamus

    yes with modifications

  226. Neustradamus

    I would like the theme folder.

  227. stpeter wonders if we should try Carrington Mobile

  228. stpeter

    Neustradamus: tarfile OK?

  229. Neustradamus


  230. stpeter


  231. stpeter


  232. Kevin

    Is possible to install windows 3.1 or 6.3 on Nokia mobiles.Symbian Os?

  233. Zash


  234. Kevin


  235. Neustradamus

    stpeter: thx

  236. stpeter

    Neustradamus: sure thing, sorry about the delay

  237. Neustradamus

    stpeter: no problem !

  238. Neustradamus

    about redirections, have you seen ?

  239. dwd has done his XSF [re]application.

  240. dwd


  241. dwd is quite proud.

  242. stpeter

    Neustradamus: the www stuff?

  243. Neustradamus


  244. Zash

    dwd :D

  245. Neustradamus

    dwd: beautiful !

  246. stpeter

    Neustradamus: I just fixed a few instances of that in redirects.conf

  247. stpeter

    Neustradamus: maybe that solves the problem

  248. Kev

    We really need to sort out our redirects at some point to be less broken.

  249. stpeter

    Kev: indeed

  250. Kev

    I still haven't worked out how Cacti got broken without the redirects being changed.

  251. Neustradamus

    you must patch it all proposals ? http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/

  252. Neustradamus

    stpeter: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bind.html

  253. Neustradamus

    same for XEP date : "© 1999 - 2011 XMPP Standards Foundation. SEE LEGAL NOTICES." +1 year

  254. stpeter

    Neustradamus: I changed the copyright date in the templates, but I haven't regenerated all the files because some of them are "interim" versions...

  255. Neustradamus


  256. stpeter

    but yeah I see that the old redirects to jabber.org are broken -- something else to fix :)

  257. stpeter

    time for lunch, bbiab

  258. Neustradamus

    http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes ;)

  259. Neustradamus

    http://tracker.xmpp.org/ problem !