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Marc
hi i need help
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Marc
:'(
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goffi
g'day
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Neustradamus
goffi would like to know if you have news about this request ? http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos and on ML.
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goffi
Neustradamus: I have just posted an email about this
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goffi
on summit@
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ralphm
unless we suddenly have too many applications, in general you're in
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ralphm
dwd and I will look into what we have, later today
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Florian
Board meeting in 15mins
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stpeter
yepper
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stpeter
dented and tweeted
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dwd
Florian, You here (again) now?
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dwd
(He said he'd lost his Virgin connection. I did *not* many any witty response whatsoever.)
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stpeter
Florian is on a mobile device but might not be able to join this room using it
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dwd
Well, I guess it's time.
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dwd
I'm not going to look at quorum as such unless something actually comes up that we need to vote on, but it's awkward that Florian's not here, because I was going to ask him to summarize a few things.
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stpeter
hmph
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stpeter
http://speeqe.com/room/xsf@muc.xmpp.org/ doesn't work
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stpeter
I wonder if that's because speeqe can't handle non-standard s2s ports
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stpeter
we could paste MUC messages into a one-to-one chat -- I had to do that recently with Chris
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dwd
Could be.
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dwd
I can't actually figure out which resource he's on, otherwise I'd do so.
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stpeter
I'm chatting with him in another window
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Kev
He can use the web logs, too.
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Kev
Now that Matt fixed them.
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dwd
OK.
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dwd
So I think these are up to date: http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-11/
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stpeter
hi Chris
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dwd
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012
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cchris434
sorry about that
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dwd
cchris434, That's fine, I'm not treating this as a proper meeting anyway, as such.
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cchris434
ok
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Ashley Roach
sorry
- dwd makes edit to FOSDEM_2012, noting that SImon has two talks instead of just the one he should have.
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dwd
OK, so we have 8 talks, and 8 hours to do them in.
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stpeter
dwd: Simon just pinged the W3C Federated Social Web discussion list
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dwd
I kept the "Ask The Experts" sessions out of it, and equally, the first talk there is going to be a short one welcoming people to the room, while Remko, Peter, and Kev setup for the talk I've put them in for.
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stpeter
I think some of those folks will be interested in giving talks -- we can have a block of time for FSW topics
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dwd
stpeter, Right, but my point is we're not actually looking too bad for talks, depending on the length.
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Kev
I'm happy to give an additional talk if anyone can think of anything I know something about that's interesting. I'm not sure there is much.
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dwd
Kev, Names of characters on Star Wars MMORPGs?
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Kev
I've yet to meet Lord Zash, but I'm sure she's a lovely person.
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stpeter
BTW I am keeping Florian informed about the messages here (note to self: write bot that relays a MUC room over one-to-one chat)
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stpeter
Florian says: [09:42:23] <Florian> We need 8 more talks [09:42:32] <Florian> The Jitsi guys might hold one or two
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dwd
Meanwhile, we apparently have 12 people for the dinner, which is very low.
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stpeter
[09:43:18] <Florian> About Jingle or other stuff
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dwd
That's usually a good indicator of attendance, so I'm a little concerned.
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dwd
stpeter, It depends on the talks' length. If we're assuming that each talk is a half-hour slot, then yes, there's 16 talks we need. I suspect, though, that different talks are different lengths, and we'll need to get a handle on that.
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Kev
I've just not filled out the form yet.
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Kev
dwd: I think we should think very carefully before assigning more than 30mins to any talk other than 101.
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stpeter
Kev: agreed
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stpeter
short talks are more engaging
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stpeter
[09:45:44] <Florian> Re dinner people: this is after 2 days of menu submissions [09:45:59] <Florian> So it's not that bad
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dwd
There's usually one or two talks that are worth extending. Simon Tennant was going to talk about XMPP/Web, as with his recent post - I've a feeling that could easily cause a floor debate.
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stpeter
floor debate would be excellent
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dwd
Right. I think we should assume this will happen, and plan for it, in this case.
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stpeter
[09:47:09] <Florian> Hotel booking link will be live tomorrow. Talked to them this afternoon
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Kev
Simon's talk may be a good one to seriously consider.
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Kev
But that's still only two at more than 30mins.
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dwd
Florian, ANd yes, I know it's only two days, but still, I was hoping to see a little more enthusiasm.
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stpeter
[09:48:08] <Florian> Yeah, floor debates would be cool
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Kev
I shudder even thinking about an hour-long talk on "Hey, I wrote an XMPP client" like we've had in previous years.
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stpeter
:)
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stpeter
dwd: we just keep poking people, and probably need to establish deadlines of sorts for talks, dinner, etc.
- dwd thinks that SImon's talk and Dodo's talk have been swapped, possibly. Will check.
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dwd
stpeter, Yes, true. That said, an alarming number of people I've personally poked have said they're not coming, or are unlikely to come at this stage.
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Kev
To the summit or the meal?
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dwd
Kev, To the whole thing.
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stpeter
well, FOSDEM is always a bit difficult because it happens so soon after the winter holidays -- it's difficult to get prepared so quickly after that, and before that people are focused on other things
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Kev
That's a shame.
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dwd
Right. But still, we can deal with most of this.
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dwd
What we are very short on, currently, is demos.
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stpeter
[09:52:26] <Florian> Same issue here as dwd. A lot of no's or not sure
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dwd
SO far, from memory, buddycloud, openov.nl, and Salut à toi are doing demos. I'm still trying to get something interesting together.
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dwd
Anyone know of any more?
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dwd
Oh, there's some possibility of doing Jingle calls between us an the Jitsi people, I think.
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Astro
just a little side question: will there be video recordings of the buddycloud talk?
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dwd
Astro, Not unless somebody videos them.
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
FOSDEM doesn't provide such services :)
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Astro
ok, thanks
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Kev
dwd: I *suppose* we could do some sort of "lots of platforms talking together" (with phones, tablets, whathaveyous all joined into a MUC), but it's clutching at straws.
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stpeter
dwd: I pinged some smartgrid folks about an XMPP demo
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dwd
Kev, I suppose it's a nice demo of the myriad of platforms XMPP runs on, yes.
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dwd
Florian says: [16:56:36] Florian Jensen: Yes, jitsi [16:56:58] Florian Jensen: They're up for talks and demod
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stpeter
I suppose we could have demos of things we know use XMPP even if the developers aren't there -- drop.io and such
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stpeter
Google Hangouts :)
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stpeter
and all that
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stpeter
[09:58:55] <Florian> Jitsi: would be cool to have a video call going from the RTL to the Jitsi stand
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dwd
We also need to figure out what to populate the stand with - by which I mean, projectors, beanbags, or whatever the heck else we fancy.
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dwd
Florian, Yes, I agree. I think it's a neat demonstration of the reality of XMPP as a Skype competitor.
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Kev
+
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Kev
+1
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dwd
stpeter, I was meaning to ask - can Cisco lend us projectors and things, for FOSDEM?
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stpeter
dwd: no idea, but I can find out
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dwd
stpeter, Otherwise we can probably hire them easily enough, but I thought Cisco might have that kind of kit around.
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stpeter
dwd: I'll be at the Cisco office in Diegem on Thursday afternoon (I have an IESG telechat starting at 16:30 local time, I believe), so I can pick up equipment if needed and possible
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stpeter
[10:01:32] <Florian> So i think demoes is not really a problem
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stpeter
[10:01:52] <Florian> It's more the beanbags
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stpeter
I don't think the Cisco offices have beanbags on offer ;-)
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stpeter
[10:02:28] <Florian> Yes, Cisco projectors would be a great help
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stpeter
I'll see what I can do for projectors
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stpeter
this is for the RTL lounge?
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dwd
Yes.
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stpeter
would we also need a screen>
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dwd
And yes, I'm not aware of Cisco beanbags.
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stpeter
i.e., on what will we project?
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dwd
Screens would be useful. If needs be we can project onto walls - I'd prefer that if we can.
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
well, we could borrow this stuff on Friday and return it Monday, so I wouldn't need to shlepp it all on Thursday
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stpeter
I'll follow up with the Cisco folks in Diegem about it
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dwd
Thanks.
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dwd
ANd if they happen to have Cisco iBeanbags, that'd be great too.
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stpeter
hehe
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stpeter
I've never seen a beanbag in a Cisco office -- it's not some hip startup ;-)
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dwd
We should probably look about and see if such things could be hired.
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dwd
Unless there are any hip startups attending who could lend us their beanbags.
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stpeter
[10:08:16] <Florian> I might try BetaCowork [10:08:49] <Florian> They're an incubator
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stpeter
[10:09:03] <Florian> They have such things
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dwd
OK. And I guess there must be places in Brussels that deal with trade shows wanting odd things, etc.
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Florian
hi
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Florian
so ... Virgin Media is back for a bit
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dwd
Florian, It lives!
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stpeter
heh nice
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Florian
so yeah, BetaCoWork ... don't know anyone there really
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Florian
but I know 2 members
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Florian
and we might be able to get help from them with beanbags
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Florian
stpeter: thanks for that :)
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Florian
I think the urgent thing now is ...
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Florian
get a list of talks compiled
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Florian
and put up on the xmpp.org page
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Florian
so that we can also submit them to FOSDEM
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stpeter
yes
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stpeter
yes
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stpeter
yes
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Florian
I think the deadline for talks is the 15th
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stpeter
ok
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Florian
and we need to tell them that we only want the RTL, not RTL + Stand
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stpeter
so we need to put out a clear call for talks with deadline
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Florian
yes
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stpeter
I can do that on jdev/standards/summit
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Florian
great
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dwd
Florian, There was some discussion with Ralph about that last night.
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Florian
ah
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dwd
stpeter, Please.
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dwd
Florian, We seem to have both, but they'll cancel the stand if the RTL comes together, or something.
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Florian
ah right, that sounds good
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Florian
well, let's focus on the RTL
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Florian
worst case, we take the work from the RTL to the stand
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dwd
Florian, I wasn't clear on the details, Ralph was going to ask them in detail later today.
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Florian
ah, great
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Florian
well, as long as they were made aware of the situation
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Florian
anything else?
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dwd
No, I don't think so.
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dwd
Is there anything else from anyone else?
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Ashley Roach
Not from me
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stpeter
I just pinged the FSW list again
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dwd
We'll call it a meeting, then.
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stpeter
that is public-xg-federatedsocialweb@w3.org
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Ashley Roach
seconded
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Florian
great
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stpeter
it's a public list in case you'd like to join
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Florian
thanks all!
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Florian
oh ... one last thing ...
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dwd
Florian, Yes, Columbo?
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Florian
if you know anyone else who has some money lying around ... dinner sponsorship is always appreciated
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Florian
I'm thinking 50 Cent: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2085191/50-Cent-Floyd-Mayweather-photos-Rapper-shows-loose-change.html
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dwd
Florian, Wow. Subtle guy.
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stpeter
I sent an email about devroom talks
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stpeter
I'm going to open posting to summit@xmpp.org for a few days so that non-members can post
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dwd
OK, sounds like a good idea.
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stpeter
i.e., moderator can approve
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stpeter
shall we have another chat next week to maintain momentum?
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stpeter
I can add it to the calendar
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dwd
Please.
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stpeter
that will immediately follow the next XMPP Council meeting
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dwd
Oh, on the "ask the experts" thing we usually do - I was wondering if we have shorter, more focussed versions in between the talks, to allow for speaker transition (given that the ask the experts sessions have no slides or laptops).
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
that might work
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dwd
So we'd have talk, followed by ask the experts on security, followed by talk, followed by a-t-e on pubsub, or something.
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dwd
PubSubHubbub! I'm not sure we allow *that* sort of thing...
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stpeter
heehee
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Zash
Not sure if want.
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stpeter
I think it could be a useful discussion -- compare and contrast
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stpeter
and it might lead to some lively interactions :)
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Zash
über basics of pubsub + dialback :P
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Kev
We could have some SIMPLE folks come in and present...
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stpeter
Kev: now that's beyond the pale!
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dwd
Kev, I'll ask Florian about obtaining rotten tomatos.
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Kev
Or Y! Messenger, perhaps.
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Kev
A certain presentation from a few years ago is brought to mind, where the presenter took it as an opportunity to bash the XSF and explain that he was smarter than everyone there.
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Kev
...and then I realise Peter might have been the only other one (here) there.
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dwd
Yeah, I'm just a noob.
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stpeter
I don't recall that presenter
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Kev
No Doubt - Just a noob.
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Kev
stpeter: Virtual avatars.
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stpeter
ah yes
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stpeter
although I don't remember much bashing -- perhaps I'm thick-skinned or I just have a bad memory
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Kev
Maybe I misremember. I was young(er) and foolish(er) back then :)
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stpeter
:)
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Florian
well, if we can get someone from Yahoo or Microsoft there
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Florian
it would be great to have a panel :)
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dwd
MSFT arem after all, users of XMPP now.
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Florian
hehe
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dwd
I actually dropped Bernard Aboba a mail suggesting they came.
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stpeter
brb
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dwd
Haven't heard anything, yet.
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Zash
Hm, what about Facebook?
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dwd
I have no contacts there.
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Florian
yeah, if any of the big guys could send someone
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Florian
they can bring dinner sponsorship :)
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dwd
I did think about trying to contact the Valve/Steam guys.
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dwd
I've no contacts there, either, but they're one of the last big IM systems without XMPP access, I think.
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dwd
I mean, relevant ones. :-)
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Kev
I saw a review of Evolve on RPS today, and noticed one of the commenters posting "They'd better be using XMPP" or such.
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dwd
Nice.
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Neustradamus
I can see for facebook, I can join XMPP developer guys of Facebook.
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Neustradamus
you have a message ?
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Neustradamus
stpeter: can you send me the xmpp.org theme ?
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stpeter
it's the Carrington Theme
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stpeter
you want the specific PHP files currently on the file system?
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Neustradamus
yes with modifications
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Neustradamus
I would like the theme folder.
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stpeter
Neustradamus: tarfile OK?
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Neustradamus
yes
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stpeter
sent
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stpeter
brb
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Kevin
Is possible to install windows 3.1 or 6.3 on Nokia mobiles.Symbian Os?
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Zash
Hm?
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Kevin
mmhmm
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Neustradamus
stpeter: thx
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stpeter
Neustradamus: sure thing, sorry about the delay
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Neustradamus
stpeter: no problem !
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Neustradamus
about redirections, have you seen ?
- dwd has done his XSF [re]application.
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dwd
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Dave_Cridland_Application_2012
- dwd is quite proud.
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stpeter
Neustradamus: the www stuff?
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Neustradamus
yes
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Zash
dwd :D
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Neustradamus
dwd: beautiful !
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stpeter
Neustradamus: I just fixed a few instances of that in redirects.conf
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stpeter
Neustradamus: maybe that solves the problem
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Kev
We really need to sort out our redirects at some point to be less broken.
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stpeter
Kev: indeed
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Kev
I still haven't worked out how Cacti got broken without the redirects being changed.
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Neustradamus
you must patch it all proposals ? http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/
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Neustradamus
stpeter: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bind.html
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Neustradamus
same for XEP date : "© 1999 - 2011 XMPP Standards Foundation. SEE LEGAL NOTICES." +1 year
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stpeter
Neustradamus: I changed the copyright date in the templates, but I haven't regenerated all the files because some of them are "interim" versions...
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Neustradamus
ok
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stpeter
but yeah I see that the old redirects to jabber.org are broken -- something else to fix :)
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stpeter
time for lunch, bbiab
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Neustradamus
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes ;)
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Neustradamus
http://tracker.xmpp.org/ problem !
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