XSF Discussion - 2012-01-11

hi i need help

:'(

g'day

goffi would like to know if you have news about this request ? http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012_Demos and on ML.

Neustradamus: I have just posted an email about this

on summit@

unless we suddenly have too many applications, in general you're in

dwd and I will look into what we have, later today

Board meeting in 15mins

yepper

dented and tweeted

Florian, You here (again) now?

(He said he'd lost his Virgin connection. I did *not* many any witty response whatsoever.)

Florian is on a mobile device but might not be able to join this room using it

Well, I guess it's time.

I'm not going to look at quorum as such unless something actually comes up that we need to vote on, but it's awkward that Florian's not here, because I was going to ask him to summarize a few things.

hmph

http://speeqe.com/room/xsf@muc.xmpp.org/ doesn't work

I wonder if that's because speeqe can't handle non-standard s2s ports

we could paste MUC messages into a one-to-one chat -- I had to do that recently with Chris

Could be.

I can't actually figure out which resource he's on, otherwise I'd do so.

I'm chatting with him in another window

He can use the web logs, too.

Now that Matt fixed them.

OK.

So I think these are up to date: http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-11/

hi Chris

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012

sorry about that

cchris434, That's fine, I'm not treating this as a proper meeting anyway, as such.

ok

sorry

OK, so we have 8 talks, and 8 hours to do them in.

dwd: Simon just pinged the W3C Federated Social Web discussion list

I kept the "Ask The Experts" sessions out of it, and equally, the first talk there is going to be a short one welcoming people to the room, while Remko, Peter, and Kev setup for the talk I've put them in for.

I think some of those folks will be interested in giving talks -- we can have a block of time for FSW topics

stpeter, Right, but my point is we're not actually looking too bad for talks, depending on the length.

I'm happy to give an additional talk if anyone can think of anything I know something about that's interesting. I'm not sure there is much.

Kev, Names of characters on Star Wars MMORPGs?

I've yet to meet Lord Zash, but I'm sure she's a lovely person.

BTW I am keeping Florian informed about the messages here (note to self: write bot that relays a MUC room over one-to-one chat)

Florian says: [09:42:23] <Florian> We need 8 more talks [09:42:32] <Florian> The Jitsi guys might hold one or two

Meanwhile, we apparently have 12 people for the dinner, which is very low.

[09:43:18] <Florian> About Jingle or other stuff

That's usually a good indicator of attendance, so I'm a little concerned.

stpeter, It depends on the talks' length. If we're assuming that each talk is a half-hour slot, then yes, there's 16 talks we need. I suspect, though, that different talks are different lengths, and we'll need to get a handle on that.

I've just not filled out the form yet.

dwd: I think we should think very carefully before assigning more than 30mins to any talk other than 101.

Kev: agreed

short talks are more engaging

[09:45:44] <Florian> Re dinner people: this is after 2 days of menu submissions [09:45:59] <Florian> So it's not that bad

There's usually one or two talks that are worth extending. Simon Tennant was going to talk about XMPP/Web, as with his recent post - I've a feeling that could easily cause a floor debate.

floor debate would be excellent

Right. I think we should assume this will happen, and plan for it, in this case.

[09:47:09] <Florian> Hotel booking link will be live tomorrow. Talked to them this afternoon

Simon's talk may be a good one to seriously consider.

But that's still only two at more than 30mins.

Florian, ANd yes, I know it's only two days, but still, I was hoping to see a little more enthusiasm.

[09:48:08] <Florian> Yeah, floor debates would be cool

I shudder even thinking about an hour-long talk on "Hey, I wrote an XMPP client" like we've had in previous years.

:)

dwd: we just keep poking people, and probably need to establish deadlines of sorts for talks, dinner, etc.

stpeter, Yes, true. That said, an alarming number of people I've personally poked have said they're not coming, or are unlikely to come at this stage.

To the summit or the meal?

Kev, To the whole thing.

well, FOSDEM is always a bit difficult because it happens so soon after the winter holidays -- it's difficult to get prepared so quickly after that, and before that people are focused on other things

That's a shame.

Right. But still, we can deal with most of this.

What we are very short on, currently, is demos.

[09:52:26] <Florian> Same issue here as dwd. A lot of no's or not sure

SO far, from memory, buddycloud, openov.nl, and Salut à toi are doing demos. I'm still trying to get something interesting together.

Anyone know of any more?

Oh, there's some possibility of doing Jingle calls between us an the Jitsi people, I think.

just a little side question: will there be video recordings of the buddycloud talk?

Astro, Not unless somebody videos them.

right

FOSDEM doesn't provide such services :)

ok, thanks

dwd: I *suppose* we could do some sort of "lots of platforms talking together" (with phones, tablets, whathaveyous all joined into a MUC), but it's clutching at straws.

dwd: I pinged some smartgrid folks about an XMPP demo

Kev, I suppose it's a nice demo of the myriad of platforms XMPP runs on, yes.

Florian says: [16:56:36] Florian Jensen: Yes, jitsi [16:56:58] Florian Jensen: They're up for talks and demod

I suppose we could have demos of things we know use XMPP even if the developers aren't there -- drop.io and such

Google Hangouts :)

and all that

[09:58:55] <Florian> Jitsi: would be cool to have a video call going from the RTL to the Jitsi stand

We also need to figure out what to populate the stand with - by which I mean, projectors, beanbags, or whatever the heck else we fancy.

Florian, Yes, I agree. I think it's a neat demonstration of the reality of XMPP as a Skype competitor.

+

+1

stpeter, I was meaning to ask - can Cisco lend us projectors and things, for FOSDEM?

dwd: no idea, but I can find out

stpeter, Otherwise we can probably hire them easily enough, but I thought Cisco might have that kind of kit around.

dwd: I'll be at the Cisco office in Diegem on Thursday afternoon (I have an IESG telechat starting at 16:30 local time, I believe), so I can pick up equipment if needed and possible

[10:01:32] <Florian> So i think demoes is not really a problem

[10:01:52] <Florian> It's more the beanbags

I don't think the Cisco offices have beanbags on offer ;-)

[10:02:28] <Florian> Yes, Cisco projectors would be a great help

I'll see what I can do for projectors

this is for the RTL lounge?

Yes.

would we also need a screen>

And yes, I'm not aware of Cisco beanbags.

i.e., on what will we project?

Screens would be useful. If needs be we can project onto walls - I'd prefer that if we can.

ok

well, we could borrow this stuff on Friday and return it Monday, so I wouldn't need to shlepp it all on Thursday

I'll follow up with the Cisco folks in Diegem about it

Thanks.

ANd if they happen to have Cisco iBeanbags, that'd be great too.

hehe

I've never seen a beanbag in a Cisco office -- it's not some hip startup ;-)

We should probably look about and see if such things could be hired.

Unless there are any hip startups attending who could lend us their beanbags.

[10:08:16] <Florian> I might try BetaCowork [10:08:49] <Florian> They're an incubator

[10:09:03] <Florian> They have such things

OK. And I guess there must be places in Brussels that deal with trade shows wanting odd things, etc.

hi

so ... Virgin Media is back for a bit

Florian, It lives!

heh nice

so yeah, BetaCoWork ... don't know anyone there really

but I know 2 members

and we might be able to get help from them with beanbags

stpeter: thanks for that :)

I think the urgent thing now is ...

get a list of talks compiled

and put up on the xmpp.org page

so that we can also submit them to FOSDEM

yes

yes

yes

I think the deadline for talks is the 15th

ok

and we need to tell them that we only want the RTL, not RTL + Stand

so we need to put out a clear call for talks with deadline

yes

I can do that on jdev/standards/summit

great

Florian, There was some discussion with Ralph about that last night.

ah

stpeter, Please.

Florian, We seem to have both, but they'll cancel the stand if the RTL comes together, or something.

ah right, that sounds good

well, let's focus on the RTL

worst case, we take the work from the RTL to the stand

Florian, I wasn't clear on the details, Ralph was going to ask them in detail later today.

ah, great

well, as long as they were made aware of the situation

anything else?

No, I don't think so.

Is there anything else from anyone else?

Not from me

I just pinged the FSW list again

We'll call it a meeting, then.

that is public-xg-federatedsocialweb@w3.org

seconded

great

it's a public list in case you'd like to join

thanks all!

oh ... one last thing ...

Florian, Yes, Columbo?

if you know anyone else who has some money lying around ... dinner sponsorship is always appreciated

I'm thinking 50 Cent: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2085191/50-Cent-Floyd-Mayweather-photos-Rapper-shows-loose-change.html

Florian, Wow. Subtle guy.

I sent an email about devroom talks

I'm going to open posting to summit@xmpp.org for a few days so that non-members can post

OK, sounds like a good idea.

i.e., moderator can approve

shall we have another chat next week to maintain momentum?

I can add it to the calendar

Please.

that will immediately follow the next XMPP Council meeting

Oh, on the "ask the experts" thing we usually do - I was wondering if we have shorter, more focussed versions in between the talks, to allow for speaker transition (given that the ask the experts sessions have no slides or laptops).

yeah

that might work

So we'd have talk, followed by ask the experts on security, followed by talk, followed by a-t-e on pubsub, or something.

PubSubHubbub! I'm not sure we allow *that* sort of thing...

heehee

Not sure if want.

I think it could be a useful discussion -- compare and contrast

and it might lead to some lively interactions :)

über basics of pubsub + dialback :P

We could have some SIMPLE folks come in and present...

Kev: now that's beyond the pale!

Kev, I'll ask Florian about obtaining rotten tomatos.

Or Y! Messenger, perhaps.

A certain presentation from a few years ago is brought to mind, where the presenter took it as an opportunity to bash the XSF and explain that he was smarter than everyone there.

...and then I realise Peter might have been the only other one (here) there.

Yeah, I'm just a noob.

I don't recall that presenter

No Doubt - Just a noob.

stpeter: Virtual avatars.

ah yes

although I don't remember much bashing -- perhaps I'm thick-skinned or I just have a bad memory

Maybe I misremember. I was young(er) and foolish(er) back then :)

:)

well, if we can get someone from Yahoo or Microsoft there

it would be great to have a panel :)

MSFT arem after all, users of XMPP now.

hehe

I actually dropped Bernard Aboba a mail suggesting they came.

brb

Haven't heard anything, yet.

Hm, what about Facebook?

I have no contacts there.

yeah, if any of the big guys could send someone

they can bring dinner sponsorship :)

I did think about trying to contact the Valve/Steam guys.

I've no contacts there, either, but they're one of the last big IM systems without XMPP access, I think.

I mean, relevant ones. :-)

I saw a review of Evolve on RPS today, and noticed one of the commenters posting "They'd better be using XMPP" or such.

Nice.

I can see for facebook, I can join XMPP developer guys of Facebook.

you have a message ?

stpeter: can you send me the xmpp.org theme ?

it's the Carrington Theme

you want the specific PHP files currently on the file system?

yes with modifications

I would like the theme folder.

Neustradamus: tarfile OK?

yes

sent

brb

Is possible to install windows 3.1 or 6.3 on Nokia mobiles.Symbian Os?

Hm?

mmhmm

stpeter: thx

Neustradamus: sure thing, sorry about the delay

stpeter: no problem !

about redirections, have you seen ?

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Dave_Cridland_Application_2012

Neustradamus: the www stuff?

yes

dwd :D

dwd: beautiful !

Neustradamus: I just fixed a few instances of that in redirects.conf

Neustradamus: maybe that solves the problem

We really need to sort out our redirects at some point to be less broken.

Kev: indeed

I still haven't worked out how Cacti got broken without the redirects being changed.

you must patch it all proposals ? http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/

stpeter: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bind.html

same for XEP date : "© 1999 - 2011 XMPP Standards Foundation. SEE LEGAL NOTICES." +1 year

Neustradamus: I changed the copyright date in the templates, but I haven't regenerated all the files because some of them are "interim" versions...

ok

but yeah I see that the old redirects to jabber.org are broken -- something else to fix :)

time for lunch, bbiab

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XSF_website_gap_analysis_notes ;)

http://tracker.xmpp.org/ problem !