XSF Discussion - 2012-01-13

  1. ralphm

    dwd: around?

  2. dwd

    ralphm, Sorry, yes, but managed to miss that one somehow.

  3. ralphm


  4. ralphm

    we should probably start making a list of all proposed presentations and demos

  5. dwd

    ralphm, Yes, we've suddenly got rather a lot more demos than we did.

  6. dwd

    Oh, and I meant to reply to Peter Waher - I'm a little worried about a presentation about the company, rather than the tech, at FOSDEM.

  7. dwd

    Can somebody check the following doesn't sound too aggresive or anything?

  8. dwd

    On Fri Jan 13 10:44:00 2012, Peter Waher wrote: > If there's a slot available, we'd like to hold a presentation of ourselves and the work we do together with companies like Cisco Germany in the field of sensor networking and IoT (Internet of Things), as well as a presentation of what we have done and our aims/goals in the field of XMPP, as related to: Before I begin, I may have completely misunderstood, and if your output is all open-source then most of this won't apply to you. My only concern with demos is that we are at FOSDEM, and as such the demos need to concentrate on the technical use of XMPP rather than the companies using it, and really involve open-source as much as possible. I'm pretty sure that the FOSDEM organizers understand that XMPP is not exclusively open-source, but we need to ensure that the balance is very much skewed that way, and we need to ensure that we're being very technically focussed. I do sympathize - I'd really love to discuss all the funky stuff that Isode is doing in the XMPP space - at least, the things I can talk about - but the nature of FOSDEM is hugely limiting for projects and companies that are not (very) open-source - this is no fault of FOSDEM, it's simply that FOSDEM is for Free/Open-Source software, and we need to respect that and keep aligned with it as much as is feasable. So I (in my Isode guise), like you, will be looking to figure out a demo which downplays the closed-source bits, and concentrates on the open-standards and/or open-source parts of what we do. (My talk has nothing at all to do with Isode, in fact). Given that the Interop day (on Friday) seems to be going slow, we could have some less constrained talks about what attendees are doing, if there's interest (in listening as well as talking, of course). Dave.

  9. dwd

    (Sorry for the wall'o'text)

  10. dwd


  11. Zash

    Done reading. Sounds ok I think.

  12. dwd

    OK, thanks.

  13. MattJ


  14. ralphm


  15. Neustradamus

    have you read japanese messages ?

  16. stpeter

    yes, I saw them but haven't read them yet

  17. ralphm

    stpeter: thanks for working on those lists

  18. ralphm

    stpeter: it would be great to have an overview of what we have for the lounge

  19. ralphm

    stpeter: We should also figure out how to get needed hardware for the loungy concept itself

  20. ralphm

    Do you think we should maybe paste my e-mail into the wiki page?

  21. stpeter

    ralphm: sure thing

  22. stpeter

    I will try to get some projectors and screens from the Cisco offices in Diegem

  23. stpeter

    we had some discussion about this stuff during the Board meeting on Wednesday, and we plan to hold another meeting next Wednesday, see http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the .ics file :)

  24. stpeter

    I need to log off here for a bit, but I'll be back later

  25. ralphm

    Oh, I missed that

  26. ralphm

    I'd like to send an update to the fosdem team

  27. ralphm

    so they have a more solid idea

  28. stpeter


  29. stpeter

    Florian is following up with some incubator project in Brussels about comfy chairs

  30. stpeter


  31. stpeter

    but pasting your email into the wiki is a good start

  32. ralphm

    Ah. I'm finding notes

  33. stpeter


  34. stpeter


  35. ralphm

    Also I just joined the pubsubhubbub w3c group. Evan Prodromou and Julien Genestoux want to organize a meeting of some sort in Brussels. Maybe that's interesting.

  36. Kev

    It is if they drop that silly HTTP stuff and use XMPP :)

  37. ralphm

    Kev: hah

  38. ralphm

    Kev: become a member, too

  39. Zash

    Kev +1

  40. ralphm

    Kev: seriously though, I believe both have a place. For one thing, hybrid solutions are surely a way forward.

  41. Kev

    Nope, XMPP is the One True Protocol.

  42. Kev

    Email over XMPP.

  43. Kev

    HTML over XMPP.

  44. Kev

    DNS over XMPP.

  45. ralphm

    if you strip out half of the current pubsubhubbub concept and replace the 'publish' part with XMPP, that's a big win.

  46. Zash

    IP over XMPP

  47. Kev

    And there's absolutely no chance I'm being flippant.

  48. Kev

    Zash: Absolutely.

  49. Zash

    ... wait, we have that already

  50. Zash pokes mod_tcp

  51. Zash

    Ethernet over Link-Local XMPP!

  52. stpeter


  53. stpeter

    gotta run, bbl

  54. ralphm needs sleep

  55. ralphm


  56. Kev