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dwd
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dwd
For the black t-shirts, do we want "I think, therefore IM" again, or do we want something new?
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dwd
"All talk, all action"? "Because we need to talk"? "Abusing XML since 1999"?
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Kev
"I think, therefore IM" was a decent pun.
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dwd
True enough. Just wondering whether we wanted something different.
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Kev
If we have something better or equivalent, sure.
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dwd
Hoodies designs: http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/straight.png http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/curved.png http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/bordered.png
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dwd
Any preferences?
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Kev
Is orange on grey the scheme we're going for?
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Kev
I'd probably go for bordered of those.
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dwd
I'm not absolutely wed to orange on grey. But the dark grey is probably the safest colour (aside from black) and the orange looks pretty good against it. The other logo colours don't look as good, IMO.
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Kev
It seems reasonable. Albeit surprising.
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dwd
Surprising?
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Zash
Is it print/vinyl/whatsitcalled
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Zash
lots-o-stitches
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Kev
dwd: I was surprised.
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Kev
Zash: Embroidered is the word.
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dwd
Print. Rather than, say, embroidered or anything.
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dwd
Kev, These hoodies are in addition to the t-shirts.
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dwd
Kev, And they're all going to end up on my credit card, BTW, so I *really* hope this works out. :-)
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ralphm
dwd: that looks awesome. Does the place where you are having this done have pictures of similar hoodies?
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dwd
http://www.hoodyworld.co.uk/prod5.asp?ID=308&offset=&prod_id=137&grpid=137&#prod_anchor
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dwd
(I'm pretty sure I'll use this place)
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ralphm
I mean with embroidering
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Kev
And why on earth aren't we choosing Fuchsia?
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ralphm
Kev: heh
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Kev
Oh, or Almond - that's similar to the very successful colour from the other year.
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dwd
Kev, Similar - we couldn't repeat that colour as they're all out of "slightly sick-stained off-white"
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Kev
I rather liked that particular shirt, I don't know why everyone else hated it.
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Kev
It was nice to have something non-black for a change.
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dwd
Kev, I do hope you like them because at the moment, you'll be carrying around 30 or so to Belgium.
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dwd
Florian wanted better spacing: http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/finals/hoodie-fixed.jpg
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Kev
Looks fine to me.
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dwd
He's now complaining the rotation isn't quite right.
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Kev
I thought that, but also decided it didn't matter.
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ralphm
hehe
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dwd
Sod it, I'm happy with it.
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ralphm
can I reserve an M?
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dwd
€15?
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ralphm
dwd: that works for me
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dwd
M's are worth ordering, I'm only getting 10 or so.
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ralphm
dwd: lot's of skinny dudes there
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ralphm
lots too
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dwd
But they'll buy L's. L people cannot buy M's.
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dwd
And even I'm an L.
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ralphm
I'm taller, but still prefer M
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dwd
stpeter, What's the formal address for the XSF? (I need the t-shirt place to invoice the XSF in the hope that we might be able to claim back the VAT some day).
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dwd
Oh, and designs for t-shirts and hoodies on http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/finals/
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org/participate/contact-us/
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dwd
Brill, ta.
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Zash
3 hours...
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Zash
woah
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stpeter
yeah
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dwd
Zash, Yeah, must be a short one.
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stpeter
after this I'll have 4 more "formal" telechats, yay
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stpeter
they're actually 2.5 hours
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stpeter
but I'm prepping right now
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ralphm
stpeter: on that contact page, it mentions 'XSF Council' with a non-working link
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stpeter
ralphm: noted
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Zash
http://xmpp.org/404-page-is-still-broken ;)
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ralphm
oh and dwd: don't use the address from the RFCs, they have a typo in them :-D
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ralphm
(which reportedly only a Dutch guy would spot)
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stpeter
plus it's XMPP Council, not XSF Council
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ralphm
right
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stpeter
fixed that at least
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ralphm
I'm still a bit amused about the 8 char local-part limit in cisco e-mail addresses
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stpeter
yeah, I love that
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Zash
£
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Zash
:D
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dwd
Roughly €2,000.
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dwd
I suspect we'll do well on the hoodies, if I can get the design right (I arsed up the EPS, it seems), and we should do OK on the t-shirts (given we sold out last time with this design).
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ralphm
yay
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dwd
When I say "we", I mean "me". :-)
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dwd
But I imagine we'll sort it all out post-facto.
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ralphm
if not, you get to keep the profits, right?
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Ashley Roach
how many t-shirts is that? 100?
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Zash
Where there leftovers from last year?
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dwd
200, and 100 hoodies.
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Zash
The ones with <presence/> on them?
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dwd
Zash, We had leftovers from the ones we failed to give away last year, which were leftovers from the previous year.
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Zash
:D
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Ashley Roach
that's a healthy amount of shirts!
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dwd
Ashley Roach, It is.
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dwd
Ashley Roach, But we know that if t-shirts are sold at €5, they're in impulse-buy territory in FOSDEM. I *think* that we may be unique in hoodies, and those hoodies we can sell at €10 without a loss. In practise, we'll probably take a walk around and pick a low price, likely €10 and €15, which ought to cover losses but still sell the majority.
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Kev
Why do we sell t-shirts at FOSDEM? (Not rhetorical)
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stpeter
because everyone else does?
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stpeter
I don't feel a strong need to sell t-shirts at FOSDEM
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stpeter
I don't feel a strong need to be at FOSDEM, either, though
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Kev
Personally, or the XSF?
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stpeter
the XSF
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stpeter
I mean, it's nice to reach out to developers, but we've never measured the return on investment for FOSDEM in terms of developers on XMPP projects, new XMPP applications, etc.
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Kev
Right. The summit is productive, for some measure of productivity.
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stpeter
I think so
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Kev
But FOSDEM itself doesn't seem so much.
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stpeter
for some measure
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MiGri
hi
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stpeter
hi MiGri
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MiGri
me just reads "hoodies"... may there a way to get one of these without participating FOSDEM?
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stpeter
:)
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stpeter
probably
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stpeter
in the past we've only sold these at FOSDEM, OSCON, etc.
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MiGri
I don't see at the moment that I can join one of these events
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stpeter
yeah
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MiGri
too much work, too much family (we got a second foster child last summer)
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MiGri
;)
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stpeter
wow, yes you must be very busy!
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MiGri
;)
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dwd
MiGri, The proplem with selling them to you would be shipping, actually.
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MiGri
hmm... indeed
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dwd
In fact, shipping generally is my major concern with them now.
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MiGri
maybe another german member come to FOSDEM and can take me one here (or ship it in germany)
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dwd
MiGri, Or I can send you the artwork and you could get one printed yourself. :-)
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dwd
Actually, I wonder if we could do something with selling these on one of those websites that print to order.
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MiGri
That is not really the same ;)
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MiGri
What do they cost anyway?
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dwd
Our cost? £7.
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dwd
Which is an awesome price, I have to say.
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Zash
Sans VAT?
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MiGri
hmm... I just need someone from germany, who is joining FOSDEM and take me one to germany...
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MiGri
dwd: indeed. nice pice
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stpeter
MiGri: you can ask on the summit@ list, but I know that at least Florian Zeitz and Jonathan Schleifer will travel from Germany to Brussels for FOSDEM
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MiGri
ok
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MiGri
ah. both from aachen. thas nearby, as I'm living in cologne
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dwd
Zash, Yes, that's before VAT, true.
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dwd
They're €10.08, with VAT and in Euros.
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Zash
still pretty good
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dwd
Right - we have a €5 markup, basically.
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stpeter
nice, I just received a Greek spam message to mailto:draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis@tools.ietf.org :)
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dwd
I AM THE NEPHEW OF THE RECENTLY ASSASSINATED PRESIDENT. I HAVE BEEN GIVEN YOUR NAME AS A TRUSTWORTHY MAN. I HAVE 300 XMPP T-SHIRTS WHICH I NEED TO TRANSFER TO YOUR COUNTRY. CAN YOU HELP?
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stpeter
well, actually it starts with "Φρέσκα φρέσκα νέα από το αγαπημένο σου φροντιστήριο….." = "Fresh Fresh News From Your Favorite School" :)
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ralphm
dwd: mine: I've known you website for ages, strictly speaking from year 2009. I found interesting your publication "Curriculum VitC&" which I googled on http://ralphm.net/cv ! I'd love to use it in a project I'm involved with called "Armenian FCW Science", so I'm seeking your permission for translation to Armenian language.
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stpeter
hrm, I will need to work on the devroom schedule tonight
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ralphm
stpeter: note that the deadline is only for part of the information that can be entered into pentabarf, as they need the info to fill the booklet
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ralphm
https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/devroom-managers/2012-January/000005.html
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stpeter
ralphm: yes
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ralphm
are you shuffling things around?
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stpeter
probably :)
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stpeter
I'll work up a revised schedule tonight and you guys in Europe can review it in the morning -- does that work?
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