XSF Discussion - 2012-01-19

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  21. dwd

    For the black t-shirts, do we want "I think, therefore IM" again, or do we want something new?

  22. dwd

    "All talk, all action"? "Because we need to talk"? "Abusing XML since 1999"?

  23. Kev

    "I think, therefore IM" was a decent pun.

  24. dwd

    True enough. Just wondering whether we wanted something different.

  25. Kev

    If we have something better or equivalent, sure.

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  28. dwd

    Hoodies designs: http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/straight.png http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/curved.png http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/bordered.png

  29. dwd

    Any preferences?

  30. Kev

    Is orange on grey the scheme we're going for?

  31. Kev

    I'd probably go for bordered of those.

  32. dwd

    I'm not absolutely wed to orange on grey. But the dark grey is probably the safest colour (aside from black) and the orange looks pretty good against it. The other logo colours don't look as good, IMO.

  33. Kev

    It seems reasonable. Albeit surprising.

  34. dwd


  35. Zash

    Is it print/vinyl/whatsitcalled

  36. Zash


  37. Kev

    dwd: I was surprised.

  38. Kev

    Zash: Embroidered is the word.

  39. dwd

    Print. Rather than, say, embroidered or anything.

  40. dwd

    Kev, These hoodies are in addition to the t-shirts.

  41. dwd

    Kev, And they're all going to end up on my credit card, BTW, so I *really* hope this works out. :-)

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  44. ralphm

    dwd: that looks awesome. Does the place where you are having this done have pictures of similar hoodies?

  45. dwd


  46. dwd

    (I'm pretty sure I'll use this place)

  47. ralphm

    I mean with embroidering

  48. Kev

    And why on earth aren't we choosing Fuchsia?

  49. ralphm

    Kev: heh

  50. Kev

    Oh, or Almond - that's similar to the very successful colour from the other year.

  51. dwd

    Kev, Similar - we couldn't repeat that colour as they're all out of "slightly sick-stained off-white"

  52. Kev

    I rather liked that particular shirt, I don't know why everyone else hated it.

  53. Kev

    It was nice to have something non-black for a change.

  54. dwd

    Kev, I do hope you like them because at the moment, you'll be carrying around 30 or so to Belgium.

  55. dwd

    Florian wanted better spacing: http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/finals/hoodie-fixed.jpg

  56. Kev

    Looks fine to me.

  57. dwd

    He's now complaining the rotation isn't quite right.

  58. Kev

    I thought that, but also decided it didn't matter.

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  61. dwd

    Sod it, I'm happy with it.

  62. ralphm

    can I reserve an M?

  63. dwd


  64. ralphm

    dwd: that works for me

  65. dwd

    M's are worth ordering, I'm only getting 10 or so.

  66. ralphm

    dwd: lot's of skinny dudes there

  67. ralphm

    lots too

  68. dwd

    But they'll buy L's. L people cannot buy M's.

  69. dwd

    And even I'm an L.

  70. ralphm

    I'm taller, but still prefer M

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  73. dwd

    stpeter, What's the formal address for the XSF? (I need the t-shirt place to invoice the XSF in the hope that we might be able to claim back the VAT some day).

  74. dwd

    Oh, and designs for t-shirts and hoodies on http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/finals/

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  76. dwd

    Brill, ta.

  77. stpeter is prepping for the IESG telechat in ~30 minutes and might not be very responsive for the next 3 hours

  78. Zash

    3 hours...

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  80. stpeter


  81. dwd

    Zash, Yeah, must be a short one.

  82. stpeter

    after this I'll have 4 more "formal" telechats, yay

  83. stpeter

    they're actually 2.5 hours

  84. stpeter

    but I'm prepping right now

  85. ralphm

    stpeter: on that contact page, it mentions 'XSF Council' with a non-working link

  86. stpeter

    ralphm: noted

  87. Zash

    http://xmpp.org/404-page-is-still-broken ;)

  88. ralphm

    oh and dwd: don't use the address from the RFCs, they have a typo in them :-D

  89. ralphm

    (which reportedly only a Dutch guy would spot)

  90. stpeter

    plus it's XMPP Council, not XSF Council

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  92. stpeter

    fixed that at least

  93. ralphm

    I'm still a bit amused about the 8 char local-part limit in cisco e-mail addresses

  94. stpeter

    yeah, I love that

  95. dwd gets ready to spend £1,680 on t-shirts and hoodies.

  96. Zash


  97. Zash


  98. dwd

    Roughly €2,000.

  99. dwd

    I suspect we'll do well on the hoodies, if I can get the design right (I arsed up the EPS, it seems), and we should do OK on the t-shirts (given we sold out last time with this design).

  100. ralphm


  101. dwd

    When I say "we", I mean "me". :-)

  102. dwd

    But I imagine we'll sort it all out post-facto.

  103. ralphm

    if not, you get to keep the profits, right?

  104. Ashley Roach

    how many t-shirts is that? 100?

  105. Zash

    Where there leftovers from last year?

  106. dwd

    200, and 100 hoodies.

  107. Zash

    The ones with <presence/> on them?

  108. dwd

    Zash, We had leftovers from the ones we failed to give away last year, which were leftovers from the previous year.

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  110. Ashley Roach

    that's a healthy amount of shirts!

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  112. dwd

    Ashley Roach, It is.

  113. dwd

    Ashley Roach, But we know that if t-shirts are sold at €5, they're in impulse-buy territory in FOSDEM. I *think* that we may be unique in hoodies, and those hoodies we can sell at €10 without a loss. In practise, we'll probably take a walk around and pick a low price, likely €10 and €15, which ought to cover losses but still sell the majority.

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  117. Kev

    Why do we sell t-shirts at FOSDEM? (Not rhetorical)

  118. stpeter

    because everyone else does?

  119. stpeter

    I don't feel a strong need to sell t-shirts at FOSDEM

  120. stpeter

    I don't feel a strong need to be at FOSDEM, either, though

  121. Kev

    Personally, or the XSF?

  122. stpeter

    the XSF

  123. stpeter

    I mean, it's nice to reach out to developers, but we've never measured the return on investment for FOSDEM in terms of developers on XMPP projects, new XMPP applications, etc.

  124. Kev

    Right. The summit is productive, for some measure of productivity.

  125. stpeter

    I think so

  126. Kev

    But FOSDEM itself doesn't seem so much.

  127. stpeter

    for some measure

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  129. MiGri


  130. stpeter

    hi MiGri

  131. MiGri

    me just reads "hoodies"... may there a way to get one of these without participating FOSDEM?

  132. stpeter


  133. stpeter


  134. stpeter

    in the past we've only sold these at FOSDEM, OSCON, etc.

  135. MiGri

    I don't see at the moment that I can join one of these events

  136. stpeter


  137. MiGri

    too much work, too much family (we got a second foster child last summer)

  138. MiGri


  139. stpeter

    wow, yes you must be very busy!

  140. MiGri


  141. dwd

    MiGri, The proplem with selling them to you would be shipping, actually.

  142. MiGri

    hmm... indeed

  143. dwd

    In fact, shipping generally is my major concern with them now.

  144. MiGri

    maybe another german member come to FOSDEM and can take me one here (or ship it in germany)

  145. dwd

    MiGri, Or I can send you the artwork and you could get one printed yourself. :-)

  146. dwd

    Actually, I wonder if we could do something with selling these on one of those websites that print to order.

  147. MiGri

    That is not really the same ;)

  148. MiGri

    What do they cost anyway?

  149. dwd

    Our cost? £7.

  150. dwd

    Which is an awesome price, I have to say.

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  152. Zash

    Sans VAT?

  153. MiGri

    hmm... I just need someone from germany, who is joining FOSDEM and take me one to germany...

  154. MiGri

    dwd: indeed. nice pice

  155. stpeter

    MiGri: you can ask on the summit@ list, but I know that at least Florian Zeitz and Jonathan Schleifer will travel from Germany to Brussels for FOSDEM

  156. MiGri


  157. MiGri

    ah. both from aachen. thas nearby, as I'm living in cologne

  158. dwd

    Zash, Yes, that's before VAT, true.

  159. dwd

    They're €10.08, with VAT and in Euros.

  160. Zash

    still pretty good

  161. dwd

    Right - we have a €5 markup, basically.

  162. stpeter

    nice, I just received a Greek spam message to mailto:draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis@tools.ietf.org :)

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  167. stpeter

    well, actually it starts with "Φρέσκα φρέσκα νέα από το αγαπημένο σου φροντιστήριο….." = "Fresh Fresh News From Your Favorite School" :)

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  169. ralphm

    dwd: mine: I've known you website for ages, strictly speaking from year 2009. I found interesting your publication "Curriculum VitC&" which I googled on http://ralphm.net/cv ! I'd love to use it in a project I'm involved with called "Armenian FCW Science", so I'm seeking your permission for translation to Armenian language.

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  171. stpeter

    hrm, I will need to work on the devroom schedule tonight

  172. ralphm

    stpeter: note that the deadline is only for part of the information that can be entered into pentabarf, as they need the info to fill the booklet

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  174. stpeter

    ralphm: yes

  175. ralphm

    are you shuffling things around?

  176. stpeter

    probably :)

  177. stpeter

    I'll work up a revised schedule tonight and you guys in Europe can review it in the morning -- does that work?

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