XSF Discussion - 2012-02-22

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  23. Dave Cridland

    I wondr if this client will be good enough to hold a meeting with.

  24. Dave Cridland

    ("wondr" - how very Web 2.0)

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  26. Dave Cridland

    Ashley, Hiya.

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  31. Dave Cridland

    ~17 minutes to go.

  32. Dave Cridland

    On my tablet, so heaven only knows if the XMPP client will hold up. :-)

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  38. Dave Cridland

    6 minutes to go. Two board members. I should start poking people, I suppose.

  39. bear

    in case I get pulled by the meeting i'm lurking in now: +1 to dave as chair, +1 to alex, stpeter

  40. bear

    but I'm here currently :)

  41. Dave Cridland

    Not that we need to vote for Chair. :-)

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  43. Dave Cridland

    Whee. Four directors. Quoratastic.

  44. Florian

    hey all

  45. Dave Cridland

    And I think it's time to start.

  46. Dave Cridland

    So, my understanding is that Alex is happy to continue as Secretary for another session.

  47. Kev

    3minutes by my watch, but anyway.

  48. Dave Cridland

    Oh, is Peter here yet?

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  52. Ashley Roach

    maybe this will hold

  53. stpeter

    hi Ashley

  54. Ashley Roach

    tap tap, can you hear me?

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  56. Dave Cridland

    Ah, perfect.

  57. Ashley Roach

    i think adium got confused

  58. stpeter

    I'm here but on a W3C conference call related to the IETF IRI WG -- always fun

  59. Dave Cridland

    So, stpeter - are you willing to continue as Executive Director?

  60. Dave Cridland

    stpeter - and did I get it right that you'realso Treasurer? And do you want to be?

  61. stpeter

    yes, I can continue as Executive Director -- and I'll have more time for that after March 30

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  63. Dave Cridland

    Hi Chris.

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  65. stpeter

    I think it would be good to discuss whether we can find someone else for the Treasurer role (although I'm happy to continue with that, we might want more checks and balances)

  66. Florian


  67. Dave Cridland

    Do we have any candidates?

  68. stpeter

    not really

  69. Dave Cridland

    If not, then we could post to the list requesting volunteers, if you'd like.

  70. stpeter

    but we might want to discuss that

  71. stpeter

    I really don't mind keeping those books

  72. stpeter

    and it probably helps to have someone in the States for banking purposes

  73. Dave Cridland

    That thought had occured to me.

  74. stpeter

    Jack Moffitt volunteered once upon a time, but in fact we never got him set up for check-writing privileges

  75. Dave Cridland

    I'm happy either way, but the more people involved the better, as a rule, so if you're happy to hand that role onto someone else, I think that'd be great.

  76. Dave Cridland

    But obviously, we need to find someone we want to do the role.

  77. stpeter


  78. Florian


  79. Florian

    and like Peter said, preferably someone in the US

  80. Dave Cridland

    So does anyone have any objections to deferring the Treasurer [re-]appointment for a week or two, giving us time to go recruit?

  81. bear

    +1 to defer - let's beat the bushes to find a suspect

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  83. Florian


  84. Florian

    eh +1

  85. stpeter

    "suspect" :)

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  87. Dave Cridland

    Right, OK, I think that's unanimous, then.

  88. Florian

    so next up, FOSDEM report?

  89. Dave Cridland

    So, Executive Director. No members have approached me, at any rate, complaining about Peter. Is everyone happy with him continuing on?

  90. Dave Cridland

    Florian, We need to formally appoint the other two officiers first.

  91. Florian

    oh right:)

  92. Florian

    +1 for Peter as ED

  93. Dave Cridland

    I'm in favour of Peter continuing as ED, too.

  94. bear

    +1 for continuing to torment Peter

  95. cchris434

    agreed +1

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  97. Dave Cridland

    And while Ashley gets his connection back... Is everyone happy with Alex continuing as XSF Secretary?

  98. Florian

    I am.

  99. Dave Cridland

    Anyone else?

  100. cchris434


  101. bear


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  103. Ashley Roach

    sorry — multitasking

  104. Dave Cridland

    OK, so both ED and Secretary positions are filled for the next year (or so).

  105. Dave Cridland

    So onto FOSDEM.

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  107. Dave Cridland

    Did eveyone read through the discussions on the members list?

  108. Florian

    yes, more or less

  109. stpeter

    I haven't read the last few messages yet

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  112. Dave Cridland

    The major outstanding thing is there's a suggestion that we should write a blog post saying how wonderful the whole thing was.

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  114. ashleyroach

    that seems like good marketing

  115. stpeter


  116. ashleyroach

    do we have photos? if not, it didn't happen, right?

  117. Kev

    That and that we might consider a Note Well.

  118. stpeter

    I have photos of the lounge

  119. Dave Cridland

    I have some photos, I think there are others.

  120. stpeter

    but not of the devroom

  121. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Yes, a Note Well would be useful.

  122. Florian

    I have some photos as well

  123. stpeter

    Kev: as in IETF Note Well?

  124. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, I have some photos of the devroom. Including some of me and Kev talking, but those ones are awful.

  125. Kev

    stpeter: Yes. See discussion on me objecting to being covertly recorded with the intention of publishing the recording.

  126. Kev

    The rough summary being "Let's have a Note Well, and then I'll know in future that I'm subject to recording".

  127. stpeter

    Kev: ah, that's in the part of the thread I hadn't read yet

  128. stpeter

    Kev: but yes, you make a good point

  129. stpeter

    in any case, we can post a blog entry without audio recordings :)

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  131. Florian


  132. stpeter

    I think we can draft something fairly quickly based on the notes that Dave and I made -- I can do that by end of week

  133. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, If we're to have a *shudder* formal contribution policy, that's something I think we'll spend a considerable time on.

  134. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: you will note that I started to work on one, see http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/copyright.html

  135. Kev

    The question then is whether we can get by without one. I certainly don't think we can go recording private conversations without telling those involved.

  136. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: but it would require more work, and probably legal advice

  137. stpeter

    I'll draft a post and send it to folks for review before we post it

  138. Dave Cridland

    Kev, I wondered about this. I think we probably can, being a US corporation, actually, except for the fact that the meeting was in the EU, and probably subject to EU laws.

  139. Dave Cridland

    Kev, FWIW, I don't think Matt can legally keep a copy of the recording without needing to cover himself with Data Protection Act voodo.

  140. cchris434

    in the US, it might depend the state you reside in for this type of issue

  141. stpeter


  142. Florian

    heh, this is getting complicated :)

  143. stpeter


  144. Dave Cridland

    Florian, Right, it is.

  145. stpeter

    IETF meetings are always covered under Note Well, no matter where they're held

  146. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, Yes, but the Note Well has had lawyers running over it, and doesn't involve the (implicit?) copyright assignment the XSF uses.

  147. Kev

    stpeter: Right, which everyone must explicitly agree to, I believe.

  148. Dave Cridland

    kev, No, it's implicit.

  149. Dave Cridland

    Kev, I think the lawyers would be happy with an explicit agreement of some kind.

  150. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: sounds like a topic for another meeting

  151. Florian

    stpeter: +1

  152. Kev

    Dave Cridland: Implicit that because it's an IETF venue you're under the Note Well, or implicit that once you're told the Note Well implies to that venue that any contribution is covered?

  153. Kev

    I thought it was the latter (e.g. that the Note Well was mentioned at the start of sessions)

  154. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Implicit because you're accepting only by the fact you continue participating.

  155. stpeter

    the Note Well is mentioned at the beginning of every session, and you also agree to it when you register

  156. Dave Cridland

    But in any case, I think we move the subject of Note Well etc to the list, if that's OK?

  157. stpeter


  158. Kev


  159. Dave Cridland

    (As in, I don't think we'll solve this right now).

  160. Florian


  161. Dave Cridland

    SO as actions, I have:

  162. Dave Cridland

    1) We're going to beat the bushes and so on and so forth, looking for a Treasurer

  163. stpeter

    I've already started writing the blog post :)

  164. Dave Cridland

    2) Peter is going to do a blog post. I'll send him some photos (On Friday, when I'm home).

  165. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: great, thanks

  166. Dave Cridland

    3) We'll start a thread on the members@ list about participation policy. (ie, recording, copyright, etc).

  167. Dave Cridland

    Anything else I missed?

  168. Florian

    sounds good

  169. Dave Cridland

    Oh, I suppose:

  170. Dave Cridland

    4) We should make a call for photos on the summit@ list.

  171. stpeter

    I already asked for photos, but we can ask again

  172. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, Oh, yes, you did.

  173. Dave Cridland

    So, I henceforth, thus, ergo, propose the motion that we adjourn.

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  178. bear

    thanks dave (and all)

  179. Dave Cridland

    Right - Time Gentlemen, Please.

  180. Florian

    thanks all

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