XSF Discussion - 2012-02-22

  1. Dave Cridland

    I wondr if this client will be good enough to hold a meeting with.

  2. Dave Cridland

    ("wondr" - how very Web 2.0)

  3. Dave Cridland

    Ashley, Hiya.

  4. Ashley Roach


  5. Dave Cridland

    ~17 minutes to go.

  6. Dave Cridland

    On my tablet, so heaven only knows if the XMPP client will hold up. :-)

  7. Dave Cridland

    6 minutes to go. Two board members. I should start poking people, I suppose.

  8. bear

    in case I get pulled by the meeting i'm lurking in now: +1 to dave as chair, +1 to alex, stpeter

  9. bear

    but I'm here currently :)

  10. Dave Cridland

    Not that we need to vote for Chair. :-)

  11. Dave Cridland

    Whee. Four directors. Quoratastic.

  12. Florian

    hey all

  13. Dave Cridland

    And I think it's time to start.

  14. Dave Cridland

    So, my understanding is that Alex is happy to continue as Secretary for another session.

  15. Kev

    3minutes by my watch, but anyway.

  16. Dave Cridland

    Oh, is Peter here yet?

  17. Ashley Roach

    maybe this will hold

  18. stpeter

    hi Ashley

  19. Ashley Roach

    tap tap, can you hear me?

  20. Ashley Roach


  21. Dave Cridland

    Ah, perfect.

  22. Ashley Roach

    i think adium got confused

  23. stpeter

    I'm here but on a W3C conference call related to the IETF IRI WG -- always fun

  24. Dave Cridland

    So, stpeter - are you willing to continue as Executive Director?

  25. Dave Cridland

    stpeter - and did I get it right that you'realso Treasurer? And do you want to be?

  26. stpeter

    yes, I can continue as Executive Director -- and I'll have more time for that after March 30

  27. Dave Cridland

    Hi Chris.

  28. cchris434


  29. stpeter

    I think it would be good to discuss whether we can find someone else for the Treasurer role (although I'm happy to continue with that, we might want more checks and balances)

  30. Florian


  31. Dave Cridland

    Do we have any candidates?

  32. stpeter

    not really

  33. Dave Cridland

    If not, then we could post to the list requesting volunteers, if you'd like.

  34. stpeter

    but we might want to discuss that

  35. stpeter

    I really don't mind keeping those books

  36. stpeter

    and it probably helps to have someone in the States for banking purposes

  37. Dave Cridland

    That thought had occured to me.

  38. stpeter

    Jack Moffitt volunteered once upon a time, but in fact we never got him set up for check-writing privileges

  39. Dave Cridland

    I'm happy either way, but the more people involved the better, as a rule, so if you're happy to hand that role onto someone else, I think that'd be great.

  40. Dave Cridland

    But obviously, we need to find someone we want to do the role.

  41. stpeter


  42. Florian


  43. Florian

    and like Peter said, preferably someone in the US

  44. Dave Cridland

    So does anyone have any objections to deferring the Treasurer [re-]appointment for a week or two, giving us time to go recruit?

  45. bear

    +1 to defer - let's beat the bushes to find a suspect

  46. cchris434


  47. Florian


  48. Florian

    eh +1

  49. stpeter

    "suspect" :)

  50. Ashley Roach


  51. Dave Cridland

    Right, OK, I think that's unanimous, then.

  52. Florian

    so next up, FOSDEM report?

  53. Dave Cridland

    So, Executive Director. No members have approached me, at any rate, complaining about Peter. Is everyone happy with him continuing on?

  54. Dave Cridland

    Florian, We need to formally appoint the other two officiers first.

  55. Florian

    oh right:)

  56. Florian

    +1 for Peter as ED

  57. Dave Cridland

    I'm in favour of Peter continuing as ED, too.

  58. bear

    +1 for continuing to torment Peter

  59. cchris434

    agreed +1

  60. Dave Cridland


  61. Dave Cridland

    And while Ashley gets his connection back... Is everyone happy with Alex continuing as XSF Secretary?

  62. Florian

    I am.

  63. Dave Cridland

    Anyone else?

  64. cchris434


  65. bear


  66. Ashley Roach


  67. Ashley Roach

    sorry — multitasking

  68. Dave Cridland

    OK, so both ED and Secretary positions are filled for the next year (or so).

  69. Dave Cridland

    So onto FOSDEM.

  70. Dave Cridland

    Did eveyone read through the discussions on the members list?

  71. Florian

    yes, more or less

  72. stpeter

    I haven't read the last few messages yet

  73. stpeter logs into the xmpp.org WordPress installation

  74. Dave Cridland

    The major outstanding thing is there's a suggestion that we should write a blog post saying how wonderful the whole thing was.

  75. Zash


  76. ashleyroach

    that seems like good marketing

  77. stpeter


  78. ashleyroach

    do we have photos? if not, it didn't happen, right?

  79. Kev

    That and that we might consider a Note Well.

  80. stpeter

    I have photos of the lounge

  81. Dave Cridland

    I have some photos, I think there are others.

  82. stpeter

    but not of the devroom

  83. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Yes, a Note Well would be useful.

  84. Florian

    I have some photos as well

  85. stpeter

    Kev: as in IETF Note Well?

  86. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, I have some photos of the devroom. Including some of me and Kev talking, but those ones are awful.

  87. Kev

    stpeter: Yes. See discussion on me objecting to being covertly recorded with the intention of publishing the recording.

  88. Kev

    The rough summary being "Let's have a Note Well, and then I'll know in future that I'm subject to recording".

  89. stpeter

    Kev: ah, that's in the part of the thread I hadn't read yet

  90. stpeter

    Kev: but yes, you make a good point

  91. stpeter

    in any case, we can post a blog entry without audio recordings :)

  92. ashleyroach


  93. Florian


  94. stpeter

    I think we can draft something fairly quickly based on the notes that Dave and I made -- I can do that by end of week

  95. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, If we're to have a *shudder* formal contribution policy, that's something I think we'll spend a considerable time on.

  96. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: you will note that I started to work on one, see http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/copyright.html

  97. Kev

    The question then is whether we can get by without one. I certainly don't think we can go recording private conversations without telling those involved.

  98. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: but it would require more work, and probably legal advice

  99. stpeter

    I'll draft a post and send it to folks for review before we post it

  100. Dave Cridland

    Kev, I wondered about this. I think we probably can, being a US corporation, actually, except for the fact that the meeting was in the EU, and probably subject to EU laws.

  101. Dave Cridland

    Kev, FWIW, I don't think Matt can legally keep a copy of the recording without needing to cover himself with Data Protection Act voodo.

  102. cchris434

    in the US, it might depend the state you reside in for this type of issue

  103. stpeter


  104. Florian

    heh, this is getting complicated :)

  105. stpeter


  106. Dave Cridland

    Florian, Right, it is.

  107. stpeter

    IETF meetings are always covered under Note Well, no matter where they're held

  108. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, Yes, but the Note Well has had lawyers running over it, and doesn't involve the (implicit?) copyright assignment the XSF uses.

  109. Kev

    stpeter: Right, which everyone must explicitly agree to, I believe.

  110. Dave Cridland

    kev, No, it's implicit.

  111. Dave Cridland

    Kev, I think the lawyers would be happy with an explicit agreement of some kind.

  112. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: sounds like a topic for another meeting

  113. Florian

    stpeter: +1

  114. Kev

    Dave Cridland: Implicit that because it's an IETF venue you're under the Note Well, or implicit that once you're told the Note Well implies to that venue that any contribution is covered?

  115. Kev

    I thought it was the latter (e.g. that the Note Well was mentioned at the start of sessions)

  116. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Implicit because you're accepting only by the fact you continue participating.

  117. stpeter

    the Note Well is mentioned at the beginning of every session, and you also agree to it when you register

  118. Dave Cridland

    But in any case, I think we move the subject of Note Well etc to the list, if that's OK?

  119. stpeter


  120. Kev


  121. Dave Cridland

    (As in, I don't think we'll solve this right now).

  122. Florian


  123. Dave Cridland

    SO as actions, I have:

  124. Dave Cridland

    1) We're going to beat the bushes and so on and so forth, looking for a Treasurer

  125. stpeter

    I've already started writing the blog post :)

  126. Dave Cridland

    2) Peter is going to do a blog post. I'll send him some photos (On Friday, when I'm home).

  127. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: great, thanks

  128. Dave Cridland

    3) We'll start a thread on the members@ list about participation policy. (ie, recording, copyright, etc).

  129. Dave Cridland

    Anything else I missed?

  130. Florian

    sounds good

  131. Dave Cridland

    Oh, I suppose:

  132. Dave Cridland

    4) We should make a call for photos on the summit@ list.

  133. stpeter

    I already asked for photos, but we can ask again

  134. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, Oh, yes, you did.

  135. Dave Cridland

    So, I henceforth, thus, ergo, propose the motion that we adjourn.

  136. Florian


  137. bear


  138. cchris434


  139. bear flees for hard-deadline offline meeting

  140. bear

    thanks dave (and all)

  141. Dave Cridland

    Right - Time Gentlemen, Please.

  142. Florian

    thanks all

  143. cchris434


  144. ashleyroach