XSF Discussion - 2012-03-07

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  17. Dave Cridland

    Afternoon, all.

  18. Dave Cridland

    I take it it's just me and Mike so far?

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  20. Dave Cridland

    Afternoon Chris.

  21. cchris434

    good afternoon!

  22. Kev

    Dave Cridland: And me. I'm just not sure that counts for anything useful.

  23. stpeter

    I don't see Ashley online

  24. Kev

    Dave: I'd like to throw Athena briefly onto the agenda.

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  26. Florian

    yhello @ all

  27. Dave Cridland

    Righty. With three people actively here, I'll declare ourselves quorate.

  28. Florian


  29. Dave Cridland

    So I *think* the agenda stood at GSoC, but Kev is asking to add Athena - anything else?

  30. Florian

    not from my end

  31. Dave Cridland

    Oh. I wouldn't mind raising the membership elections. As in, having some.

  32. Dave Cridland

    But we'll start with GSoC.

  33. Dave Cridland

    Kev, What's the status with GSoC?

  34. stpeter loads http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2012 in his browser for review after this meeting

  35. Kev

    Dave Cridland: We have an application submitted, we can change it until this Friday. I've sent a copy for review to those people who mailed to say they wanted to help this year.

  36. Kev

    I think that list stands at Me, Peter, Florian, Bear, Alex.

  37. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Any responses/feedback?

  38. Florian

    yup. It was fine. nothing to add

  39. Kev

    A couple of 'it's fine' noises.

  40. Kev

    I've not heard from everyone yet, though.

  41. Kev

    So, the application needs to link to an ideas page.

  42. bear

    it looked ok to me - the app info can be adjusted at any time

  43. Kev

    bear: Until Friday.

  44. Kev

    Our ideas page is at http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2012

  45. Dave Cridland

    Without spinning up a browser, is there anything but Swift on there?

  46. Kev

    I've been mercilessly chasing people to populate it, and that's starting to show some results. If anyone else has contact with appropriate people, please do chase them.

  47. Kev

    Swift, Spectrum, Prosody, BC.

  48. Dave Cridland

    OK, cool.

  49. Kev

    The ideas page is a bit odd - we're not accepted, so clearly we don't need ideas yet.

  50. Kev

    But the application includes the ideas page, and without a solid ideas page, we won't get in.

  51. stpeter


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  53. Kev

    I chatted briefly to Carol about this, she pretty much confirmed that without a good ideas page, we're not getting in this year.

  54. Dave Cridland

    Bureaucracy 2.0?

  55. Kev

    No, I don't think so, I think this is right.

  56. stpeter


  57. Kev

    Carol (and others) have to judge the org. apps. somehow, and ideas pages are important.

  58. Kev

    It just means we need to get ours populated competently.

  59. Dave Cridland

    OK. So is ours OK, or should we be panicking?

  60. Kev

    I think ours is getting there. I'd like to see a little more on it - ideall something from Gajim, as they've frequently contributed in the past.

  61. stpeter

    no need for panic, I think, but a bit more attention would be good perhaps

  62. stpeter


  63. stpeter cedes to Kev

  64. Dave Cridland

    OK. So actions here are to push on a few more projects, particularly Gajim.

  65. Kev

    So if people can please chase anyone they have contacts with (and would be appropriate), I'd appreciate that.

  66. Dave Cridland

    So .. Athena?

  67. Dave Cridland

    And yes, this is for Kev to report on as well.

  68. Kev

    Some I've not heard back from (Psi, Tigase), others have promised to get something done, and Gajim I've not seen anyone online to poke.

  69. stpeter

    Kev: will do

  70. Kev


  71. Florian

    I'll poke Tigase

  72. stpeter

    thanks, Florian!

  73. Florian

    ok, so Athena?

  74. Kev

    Dave Cridland: I've not seen any disagreement from iteam on a plan of "replace Athena with a new box, and then mirror at least critical (and ideally all) bits of xmpp.org onto a box of Florian's - either ds0039, or the other box if that's still on offer". So I'd like to push forward with that plan.

  75. Florian

    push forward with what?

  76. Kev

    I realise this seems like overkill for hosting a couple of hundred static pages (the XEPs), but given that's our main purpose, it seems important.

  77. Dave Cridland

    Right, I agree.

  78. Kev

    Florian: Someone getting a replacement for Athena in the bunker, and the iteam starting setting up some mirrorring.

  79. Florian


  80. Dave Cridland

    So we need to have the executive director discuss with the treasurer about sourcing the machine?

  81. Florian

    so we need to get some offers in from HP / Dell for a box?

  82. Kev

    I think having a copy in the states and a copy at yours gives us a pretty good chance for resilience.

  83. Kev

    I don't think athena2 needs to be hugely powerful, FWIW.

  84. stpeter


  85. Kev

    Athena isn't, and we're not replacing her because she's underpowered, justbecause she's falling apart.

  86. stpeter

    the iteam probably needs to do some scoping

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  88. Dave Cridland

    OK. I think we find a price, then, and go from there. We've got the money to spend on this, and it's mission critical.

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  90. Kev

    Ok, is that an action on iteam to get quotes, then?

  91. Dave Cridland

    Yes, please.

  92. Kev

    (I'll have to let someone else do this, as I'll buy the wrong shape plug or something, I don't do hosting)

  93. Kev


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  95. Dave Cridland

    Kev, I've heard they have funny shaped plug over there, yes.

  96. Kev

    I think that's my two items done with, so you Board chaps can carry on with your meeting now :)

  97. bear


  98. stpeter

    BTW, I have received multiple offers of assistance in the past (hosting, DNS, etc.), but I haven't kept a good log of them

  99. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Thanks.

  100. Dave Cridland


  101. stpeter

    so if we decided that we needed additional mirrors for some reason, I think we could gather some offers

  102. Dave Cridland

    (As in, *no* sarcasm. Which is a shock)

  103. stpeter

    but backup to ds0039 is probably good enough for now

  104. Kev

    stpeter: I think so, yes. ds0039 has worked as our fallback (albeit with painful manual steps) so far.

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  106. stpeter

    we'll just work to remove the painful manual steps

  107. Dave Cridland

    So, aside from pointedly not mentioning all the actions we didn't do from last meeting because I forgot to write any minutes, the only other thing is membership elections...

  108. Dave Cridland

    I noticed that the applications page suggests we may hold a meeting next February.

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  110. stpeter

    as in last month?

  111. Dave Cridland

    Who ought to be deciding when the election is? Is this for us to prod Alex, or should we let Alex decide and butt out?

  112. Dave Cridland

    stpeter, Yes, I'd assume so - we've just missed it what with FOSDEM etc.

  113. stpeter

    usually Alex decides, but I think prodding might be in order

  114. bear

    +1 to Alex just doing his thing

  115. Florian


  116. stpeter

    yeah, that FOSDEM thing kept us busy

  117. Dave Cridland

    And distracted.

  118. Dave Cridland

    Florian, WHat are you actually voting for, there?

  119. Florian

    Bear's suggestion :)

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  122. Dave Cridland

    I think we should prod Alex, personally, in this case. I'm assuming it's an oversight, and reminding him that the page is out of date is a sensible thing to do.

  123. Florian


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  125. Dave Cridland

    But if you guys disagree, I shall abide by your decision and just write this up in the minutes. :-)

  126. Florian

    so we'll just announce a voting period opening next week?

  127. bear

    giving alex a nudge wfm

  128. ralphm

    stpeter: I seem to have a potential SoC project involving wokkel sent to me by ploum

  129. stpeter

    ralphm: cool :)

  130. Dave Cridland

    OK. So I think that's us done, unless there's any other business?

  131. ralphm

    stpeter: mentioning you sent them to me

  132. Florian

    Dave Cridland: nothing from here

  133. stpeter

    ralphm: he contacted me, yes

  134. stpeter

    ralphm: I asked him what programming languages he was interested in, and when he said Python I mentioned some projects he might look into

  135. Dave Cridland

    Schedule another meeting for same time next week?

  136. Florian


  137. stpeter


  138. bear


  139. Dave Cridland

    OK. I motion to adjourn until next week, then.

  140. bear


  141. Dave Cridland

    Thanks, all.

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  143. Florian

    cheers guys!

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  145. stpeter

    calendar updated

  146. Tobias

    bear, is it live streamed?

  147. Florian

    Tobias: no, but TWiT will be covering it :)

  148. bear

    it's live streamed only if someone brave points their camera to the stage

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  150. bear

    I just have to ramp up monitoring of the twit web and streaming servers

  151. stpeter


  152. ralphm

    bear: I've read the other day that Apple fans behave as religious fanatics. Does that help you?

  153. bear

    the viewer levels have already exceeded the "normal" range

  154. bear

    ralphm - yes, it helps explain why I don't seem to be able to be one

  155. Florian

    bear: I'm monitoring the flosoft box :)

  156. bear

    florian - that's the one box i'm *not* worried about

  157. bear

    it's the PHP app servers that need extra help

  158. Florian

    bear: if you need additional ressources, tell me :)

  159. Florian

    load it onto our CDN (requires DNS update though)

  160. Kev

    "Honest Florian's Top Server Deals"

  161. bear


  162. Florian


  163. bear

    what I need is for the drupal devs to learn how to make the site not fail when switched to static

  164. bear

    i've had to put varnish in front without them knowing

  165. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Florian's banned from using that adjective thanks to EU trade description rules.

  166. Kev

    "Server"? :)

  167. Florian


  168. Kev

    To be fair, my Flosoft server is the silliest piece of barely-a-computer imaginable, and it's doing me absolutely fine.

  169. Kev

    Any dedicated server I can afford must be good :)

  170. Dave Cridland

    Dr Kevin Smith, author of such classics as "XMPP: The Definitive Guide", says...

  171. Florian


  172. Dave Cridland

    ... "My FLosoft server is the silliest piece of bare-a-computer imaginable"

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  174. Dave Cridland

    I'll never make it in advertising.

  175. Florian


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  177. ralphm

    bear: http://www.technologytell.com/apple/42656/brand-expert-martin-lindstrom-calls-apple-a-religion/

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