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Florian
afternoon all
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Florian
Board meeting in 20?
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Florian
board meeting time?
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Florian
dwd bear?
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dwd
Afternoon.
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dwd
Yes, meeting time.
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dwd
Florian, I think this may be the first meeting we've had across three continents.
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Florian
if bear is here, we're quorate, right?
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dwd
Florian, If he's awake. bear ?
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Florian
haha ... I think you might be right
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Kev
You need to change the bylaws so I count towards quorum, as I'm always here :p
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Florian
heh ...
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dwd
Kev, We can't do that, we need a members meeting.
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Florian
I think that says less about the bylaws than it does about you :)
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dwd
Kev, I think we can allocate ourselves a salary, though. Or at least, we can appoint ourselves into an officer's position and then give ourselves a salary.
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Florian
:)
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dwd
Hi Chris.
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cchris434
hi Chris here
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cchris434
hello!
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Florian
Hi Chris :)
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Kev
I'm happy with handing out salaries as long as I get one.
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dwd
Well, that's certainly quorate.
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dwd
Kev, I bet you wish you could vote, now.
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dwd
OK, and now we are four.
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Florian
all good then :)
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cchris434
sorry that I was late
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dwd
So, we don't actually have any real agenda, but stuff has been happening nonetheless.
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Florian
GSoC is one thing
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dwd
Kev, My understanding is that the Summer of Code application went well?
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Kev
We got slots for all the students we wanted marked "Amazing", although none of the ones that were "Nice to have".
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Kev
But as that's already more slots than in the last couple of years we did pretty well.
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dwd
How many is that?
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Kev
7
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Florian
I think that's a nice number
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dwd
OK, so two questions:
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dwd
1) What's the next step?
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Kev
1) Attending the dedup meeting in approximately 3 hours 19 minutes.
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dwd
2) Presumably this means we get 7 x $SOMETHING into the XSF's piggy bank at some point?
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dwd
What's a dedup meeting?
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Kev
If multiple orgs accept the same student it's a dupe.
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bear
some students are accepted by more than one org - dedupe is when they figure out who wins the student
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Kev
These need to be resolved.
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Florian
right
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Florian
do we know of any risks in our case?
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Kev
This will take about 5 minutes, as all the dupes should already have been sorted out between the orgs (ours was, at least).
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Kev
Florian: I've already resolved our only known duplicate.
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Florian
alright :)
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Kev
It's possible for more to occur during the meeting, but this is unlikely to affect us.
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Kev
The next real step is sorting out an appropriate welcome for the students.
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Kev
I'm hoping someone will help with this, as I'll be fairly busy with my own student.
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Florian
appropriate welcome in what sense? A nice mail + blog post?
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Florian
or should we give them XMPP Swag?
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Kev
We typically give them swag, although I think we dropped the ball a bit last year.
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Florian
right ... books for all?
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bear
yes, I messed up the books for last year
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bear
tshirt + books would be nice IMO
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Florian
right
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Kev
But yes, we should make sure they're on the gsoc mailing list, we should make sure they know who to talk to.
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Florian
I was thinking of shirts / hoodies ... but they're locked up at Cisco Diegem
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Kev
I'd like it if someone other than me was a possible contact - at least so my student has a chance to bitch to someone about me.
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Florian
I'd be happy to help
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Kev
Thanks.
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bear
I can help monitor the gsoc xmpp list
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Kev
Thanks.
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Florian
I need to join that :)
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Kev
I note that we did have a bit of an issue this year.
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bear
the stuck-in-moderation issue?
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Kev
louiz' didn't read any of my mails or Carol's emails, and so hasn't started deciding he wants students for poezio until today - which is clearly far too late to be able to do anything about it.
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bear
ah
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Kev
So some poor students haven't got slots through no fault of their own.
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Kev
Other next steps include setting up weekly meetings for all students and mentors in the gsoc room.
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bear
that was hard to wrangle last year - the students were in timezones that made a common meeting hard
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Florian
alright
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Florian
what time worked last year?
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Kev
As for books, I suggest the two XMPP books, pragprog and something on time management.
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Kev
Florian: Typically evening UK time is what we go for, we'll see once we have the students.
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Florian
alright
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Kev
We will also need some blog post, I imagine.
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Florian
on a sidenote: what's the URL / E-mail to subscribe to gsoc?
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Kev
To our gsoc list, you mean?
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Florian
yeah
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Florian
I'm on the Google one
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Florian
Kev: if you send me the info that need to go into the blogpost, I can write one tomorrow at the airport
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Kev
http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/gsoc
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Kev
Florian: Thanks - but we can't discuss our accepted students until they know themselves, which is Monday :)
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bear
we could use an etherpad to start coordinating student meetings and posts
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Florian
or that :)
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bear
so we all have info on which student is attending and also blogging
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Kev
bear: We should get all the students to set themselves up with blogs and onto planet, too, yeah.
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Florian
gsoc@xmpp.org. You are already subscribed to this mailing list.
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Florian
interesting
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Kev
Congratulations :)
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bear
part of their "Day 1" activities: wiki accounts, blog planet, meeting info, mailing address
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Kev
Ok, so we've got a bunch of stuff to do, but we can't do it until Monday.
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Florian
alright
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bear
actually - we should create a gsoc 2012 wiki page
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bear
and have the students, when known, start filling in info
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Kev
We can sign them up to the mailing list and wiki ourselves, but theother things need their interaction.
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dwd
So aside from approving $MONEY to spend on $BOOKS, does the Board need to do anything here?
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Kev
Is someone willing to offer to sort out bear's list of TODOs above, Monday or Tuesday next week?
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bear
florian - we can meet monday and work out the list
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Florian
bear: sounds good
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Kev
Is that bear and Florian sorting out the student welcome?
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bear
kev - yes
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Florian
yup
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Kev
Marvellous, thanks chaps.
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Kev
I will chase if I remember, once the announcements go out.
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dwd
bear, Florian - that's including the swag, right?
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Kev
dwd: 2) Yes, there will be $3500 available to the XSF towards the end of the year. We'll need to invoice for it. I believe we failed to last year.
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bear
it can
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Kev
For books I suggest we go with the two XMPP books, PragProg and something timemanagementy.
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Florian
alright
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Kev
Assuming we can swallow the cost until the end of the year.
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bear
where I failed last year was in getting addresses for shipping until way to late
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dwd
Kev, Yes, we can.
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dwd
Where is the list of students going to be documented?
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bear
it will be on the xsf's gsoc page
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bear
actually it is, just private
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Kev
dwd: On google-melange.com. I can just tell you who right now if you want - but not in a logged public channel.
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Kev
It's not final until Monday, but it's very nearly a done deal at this point unless the dedup meeting throws us a new dupe.
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dwd
Kev, Sure - it was more of a question of our internal logistics, not because I wanted to know.
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Kev
I note that there wasn't much Board help in ranking students this year.
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Kev
In fact, only Florian signed up.
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dwd
OK, noted.
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dwd
Kev, Anything more on GSoC?
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Kev
And I think that's GSoC covered.
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Florian
great
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dwd
So in summary, Florian and bear are sorting out student welcomes on Monday.
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Florian
yup
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bear
yes
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Florian
I quickly wanted to bring up another thing ...
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Florian
if we're done with GSOC
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dwd
Florian, Shoot.
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bear
did we approve money for books?
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Florian
bear: I think we did
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dwd
bear, In principle - get a proposal together. I'm assuming it'll all come to << what we're getting.
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Florian
right :)
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bear
k, once we have list of students I can find out what cost will be for shipping
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Florian
coolbeans
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Florian
at the Summit in Brussels, we talked about BrowserID and letting XMPP become the standard for it
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dwd
bear, Sure, but if we're getting books, we can ship locally (ie, ship to EU from EU, etc).
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dwd
Florian, Yeah, we discussed a lot in this space and we (meaning I, mostly) haven't followed up much.
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Florian
right
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Florian
I think we should push this as the board
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bear
what is required for pushing?
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bear
internal to moz i'm pushing hard to get some work done on 2 dns srv related bugs
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Florian
good question ... I think just starting conversation with entities such as BrowserID (Mozilla?)
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dwd
bear, Someone who works for Mozilla getting the right (BrowserID + XMPP) folk in a chatroom together, probably.
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bear
to allow js code to make dns questions
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bear
buddycloud folk are already in touch with all the mozilla people
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Florian
ah, cool
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Florian
so maybe get them together too?
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bear
but maybe we need to start having buddycloud have public conversations so mozilla folk have to respond in public
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bear
right now I think it's all via email
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dwd
OK, so the thing to do from a Board perspective is to push these conversations into the public sphere.
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bear
+1
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Florian
+2
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cchris434
+3
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bear
let me ping simon
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Florian
and make sure XMPP becomes the glue for the internet :)
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bear
and ask what he is blocked on
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bear
well, and to also get him to post to the list about it
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Florian
is it worth that we get a SIG ?
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bear
we need to figure out what all the pieces are
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dwd
The problem with SIGs is that we run the risk of them having too small a number of people to keep momentum. I'd rather form SIGs by demand, in general.
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Kev
I agree.
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dwd
My inclination is that if Simon & co are actively driving this, we should let them continue, and support them where we can.
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bear
yes
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Florian
yes, I agree
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Florian
I think we (the XSF) need to push this in the next few months
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dwd
Although pulling the discussion into the public seems like something we should push for, of course.
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dwd
Ah, speak of the Simon.
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dwd
simon, Your discussions with Mozilla - we'd like them to be public, if at all possible. What can we do to help?
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simon
At the moment someone needs to implement a proof of concept. I'll be in Mountain View next week and would like to meet with Ben Adida at Mozilla again.
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bear
i'm sending him an email right now to try and get that done
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simon
There's no secret on progress. I've just exceeded my mental bandwith this month and so nothing has happened.
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bear
more resources at mozilla are being thrown into the persona and identity space
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bear
internally they are gearing up to enter that space as a company
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bear
so now is the time to get under their noses
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simon
I like that Thunderbird has an XMPP stack now and perhaps something could come out of that. From my own opinion I'm really keen on "get a channel, you've got a browserID"
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Florian
right
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dwd
simon, RIght, our aim here (as XSF) is to ensure that XMPP is the identity/browserid solution.
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Florian
for me I see it this way: you have a single ID (a JID), and all your friends are on there
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simon
Ben was really keen on not excluding an XMPP component... but there isn't any demo for that yet.
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simon
momspeak: "My email that I can chat with also enables me to sign into my Etsy account"
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bear
with tbird now doing xmpp - the time is right for other parts of moz to do the same
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Florian
indeed
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Florian
and if you think of identity ... it consists of you (authentication) and your network (your roster)
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simon
Bear: how will mozilla be spinning up XMPP hosting?
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Florian
and we have notifications sorted
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bear
email sent to ben and david ascher about your being in MV
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Florian
as we can do push
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dwd
So, we really need a tech demo done, you think?
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bear
yes
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dwd
.
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Florian
hmm, would it be worth spending some money on doing that?
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bear
I haven't pushed for moz running their own xmpp - I think the ops folks are scared of it by lack of knowledge
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Florian
bear: they should contact a third party :)
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bear
the last one they tried was ejabberd
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simon
Mozilla should just make a nice sign-up process that can spin you offto other known providers. (heck, they don't host email either).
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bear
they don't host it *yet*
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simon
It's a problem we have with bc too. The next version will help a user choose a good domain.
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bear
email hosting was the biggest problem for tbird also
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bear
people downloaded it expecting to get an email address
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simon
that still doesn't mean they need to get one from Mozilla.
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bear
true
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bear
they also thought to host sync offsite - until they realized none existed that had the privacy policy that was likeable to moz
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bear
so they had to create sync servers
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bear
the issue with xmpp is that once it is part of the browser then they need xmpp servers that can handle 40 million users
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Florian
bear: they should drop us a line :)
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bear
"us" being flosoft?
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simon
it's called gtalk.
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dwd
bear, Or else we need a protocol that allows distributed fedreated signup.
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Florian
bear: yeah, sorry .. I'll stop self promoting :)
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bear
florian - no - was just wanting to be clear - keep self promoting :)
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bear
for a brief moment I thought you meant xsf
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bear
can gtalk be used for non-gmail signups?
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dwd
bear, No, not really.
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bear
because the browserid would be their xmpp jid - for it to really be federated
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dwd
bear, But in any case, sign-up is a technical problem.
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bear
agreed
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dwd
So back to where I was before my DSL dropped, I'm wondering if there's likely to be someone we could throw a bounty to, to get the tech demo written.
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dwd
I think it's an area where, if XMPP got a foothold, we'd massively increase XMPP deployment and use, and that seems somethign worth spending actual cash on.
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bear
agreed
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bear
we would need an xmpp server that groks the server side browserid implementation
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Florian
agreed
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Zash
Yay world domination!
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dwd
bear, Yeah, we need a protocol too, or at least a strawman for one.
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Zash
dwd: Write down what you described at the summit?
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dwd
Zash, Yeah, although my solution had an XMPP address for the website. But yeah, we could do something here.
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bear
can we continue on list for this - I need to run
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dwd
bear, Yeah - assuming we're happy in principle to spend some cash here, let's raise it on the members list?
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Florian
I can send a quick summary of where we're at with BrowserID to the list
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Florian
list, being board first?
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bear
I think if we can get a small focused project idea - yes
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Florian
and we can decide what we can do?
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bear
or even an incremental list of tech demos
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Florian
XMPP as ID for everyone in the world ... I'd be more than happy to spend money on that
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Ashley
since i was late, we're describing something for GSOC or just more general purpose?
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dwd
Florian, That has been duly noted.
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dwd
Ashley, General purpose, in this case.
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Ashley
ok, cool & interesting!
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dwd
Right - Next meeting - was this time OK for everyone?
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Florian
I like this time
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bear
this time was very good
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Ashley
yes, was good for me, but did it ever get added to the ical?
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dwd
Then this time next week, OK?
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dwd
Ashley, Erm. Possibly not.
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Kev
Was this meeting arranged on the members list? It's possible I missed it, but I didn't see it announced.
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Ashley
i think it was on the board list
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Florian
yeah, I think board only
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dwd
Kev, No, this is also true - I arranged it on the board list.
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Kev
I vaguely remember a discussion about the members list being used by Board for everything that didn't need to be out of camera.
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bear
are we moving to fridays then?
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Florian
but yeah, let's push it to Members list
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Florian
bear, I'd +1 that
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bear
+1 for fridays also
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Florian
not that it matters to me ... everyday is sunday :)
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dwd
bear, Seems that way, unless there's objections.
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bear
my wed is just way to busy lately
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cchris434
I am good with that
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Ashley
+1 on fridays for me
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dwd
OK, so same time next week, I'll announce it on members and do the ical thing.
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Florian
Friday 1530 UTC it is :)
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bear
+1
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Ashley
great, thx!
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simon
If anyone is interested in how bc is planning on doing a distributed sign-up this is the current plan: http://postimage.org/image/6shnsv2k1/
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Ashley
tho, next friday i'll be traveling and may not be able to make it
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dwd
I think we're done - anyone anything further?
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cchris434
I am good, thank you
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Florian
+1 for ending this :)
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Kev
Not from the peanut gallery.
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bear
+1 for adjourn
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dwd
See you all on the list, then. :-)
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bear
thanks all
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cchris434
ciao
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Florian
great meeting guys! thanks all!
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bear
simon - davida says he can meet later in week
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simon
Awesome! I'll shoot him an email.
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