MattJI just have to tell you that I reconnected just then
MattJ198 is so good, but it needs a big announcement every time someone reconnects, to show how well it works
ZashT+5m ?
dwdSorry, my fault, entirely distracted.
dwdSo we have 4/5 board members. Excellent. Hi guys.
bearwaves
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dwdFirst off - GSoC - bear/Florian - I think you were going to have a chat about getting Stuff to Students?
bearyes, I have 2 of 7 addresses - I need to switch to grumpy bear mode to get more addresses
bearand then we figure out who can ship to where when
dwdbear, Postal addresses, you mean?
bearyes
dwdbear, OK. And you and Florian and Kev are happy with what to send them?
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bearI believe it's the same book list as before plus tshirts
bearmakes a note to confirm that via list
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dwdWe have some t-shirts to send them?
bearadds that Q to the list
dwd(I mean, aside from the ones locked in the depths of Cisco Diegem)
bearI think it's the cisco shirts, was not aware that they are a physical challenge level 3 to retrieve
dwdSo, as a proposal, why don't we get the books shipped as we get the addresses, and then we can sort out t-shirts later? The shipping will be different in each case anyway.
bearsounds like a plan
dwdbear, You need a +4 Access Card Of Cisco to get at the t-shirts. ANd they'll all need shipping from Diegem anyway.
bearthen definitely handle later
dwdOK.
dwdFlorian, Ashley - Happy with ship-as-we-go for books?
bearI would like to get some shipped to US for oscon - so that could be discussed soon
Ashley+1 seems like the most reasonable approach
beark, action item for next board meeting: report on shipped and to be shipped books
dwdRighty. ANything else for GSoC?
Florian+1
dwdI'll take that as a no.
beargsoc is in an odd period - a lot will happen after the first deadline approaches
bearright now it's "oh my, I got accepted"
dwdSo... SHall we move onto XSF sponsoring development of Crazy BrowserID-onna-XMPP Thing?
bear+1
Florian+1!
dwdFlorian, Is that all you're going to say this meeting? :-)
Florian-1
Florian:p
Ashleysure sounds good
Florianso, I think there's enough interest from the membership to support us doing this?
Ashleyis this the wrong venue/time to ask about scalability of said concept?
dwdSo, the - very vague - proposal is that we - the XSF - spend Actual Money™ to push for a demonstratble implementation of BrowserID using XMPP.
MattJAshley, from a technical perspective?
Ashleyyeah
Floriandwd: correct
Ashleyi'm in favor of spending Actual Money to support this
Ashleyjust curious about server infrastructure that could support 100M+ users
FlorianAshley: federation :)
Florianand Flosoft servers :D
MattJaka. XMPP :)
Ashleyyeah yeah :)
beardwd - my concern is getting the process in place so we can see projects that want/need money and have a selection process
bearthings go really squirrly when money is involved
MattJ+1
FlorianI'd say we should define a "pot" of money
bearbounty style then?
Florianand ask for RFPs for an amount between X and Y
dwdbear, Right. My concern is that we also need to spec out the project, and divide it into sane chunks we can stick bounties on.
bearthen we need levels and criteria for acceptance
bearwe should plan a face-to-face hack session to work that out
bearIMO
bearlistens to the sound of everyone rushing for the door
dwdIs there anyone present who feels they could write out the specification?
waqasCould we get some pointers to the existing BrowserID spec and code?
dwdThat is, write out the RFP-level spec, not the standard required (which is a whole different thing).
Zashwaqas: It's on github
MattJdwd, I'd volunteer, but something makes me think someone else might be better for the task right now ;)
Zashhttps://github.com/mozilla/browserid/
bearwaqas - that info is available on github and I can introduce anyone to the moz people
dwdHmmm. Actually, slightly different question. Who here is interested in actively managing the project?
Floriandwd: ah, I'd be happy to do that, but I'd appreciate some pointers from more technical people
Florianwhy not just have a Wiki page to draft something like that?
Florianfor the management of the project ... I'm free from the 16th onwards
MattJSeems sensible, we do other stuff that way
dwdOK, so we'll kick things off that way.
AshleyFlorian, dwd, i'm happy to try to help, tho i've never written an rfp before
Floriangreat :)
bearlet's start the wiki page then, list some early milestones and just start iterating
Ashleyi've been on the receiving end of them, of course :)
Florianbear: sounds good
bearwe can meet often to find out if the wiki has become ready to merge to an RFP
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Ashleyat a high level, are we trying to get members of Mozilla or XMPP community to "bid" then?
FlorianI'd say XMPP first
bearI would love it to be XMPP first
Florianas we want to push XMPP adoption
bearbut that is easily solved for anyone - they can join
Florianbut if we write our RFP intelligently, it will require XMPP
Florianand then if Mozilla codes stuff, even better
Ashleyk, timeline is probably an important consideration, when would we want responses
bearwe need to use xmpp as the implementation example
Florianand yeah, XSF Membership can be a tie breaker
Florianshould we say we want an RFP ready by end of may?
bearmozilla is already writing xmpp based js
dwdFlorian, At the latest, I'd have thought.
bearend of may means we need milestones and an outline by middle of next week
dwdFlorian, What do you think the chances of getting some additional cash pledged from industry is?
bearif we have a sane outline and plans, I can push hard for moz to help with this
Floriandwd: good question ... I can go out and investigate
Florianbear: Mozilla has cash :)
bearbut without a plan, i'm tilting at windmills
dwdFlorian, I think that's a task made for you.
dwdMattJ, Can you contribute technically to the RFP/Plan?
Florianyeah, once we have an RFP draft, and some goals set for this "project", we can go out and get some munies
MattJdwd, sure
bearsounds like we have enough folk to iterate on the wiki already present
Florianhttp://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BID-RFP
dwdOK. SO I guess we want that close to complete by end of next week?
Florianok
Ashleyok
Florianshould we maybe schedule a MUC cramming session sometime this weekend / monday (bank holiday here)
Florianat least I think it's a bank holiday here :/
FlorianEarly May Bank Holiday
bearthese other details should go to the list
Florianyeah
Ashleyi might be able to do about this same time tomorrow
Florianpersonally I'd prefer it to be sunday or monday, so that people have some time to notice the mail on the list
bearyea, I have a colo move downtime for tomorrow - i'll be at the computer :/
bearbut yea, put it out on the list - it's a wiki, work can be 24x7
Floriantrue
Florianso tomorrow, same time .. a MUC session for people who are interested in talking BrowserID RFP
dwdYes, a further MUC bashing session sounds sensible. We should also probably announce the intent to proceed on this wider than just the members list.
Florianyeah, jadmin + jdev?
dwdPossibly standards@ as well.
Florianand maybe poke some people at Mozilla ?
dwdMaybe the blog?
Florianyeah, standards as well
Floriansure, I can write a blog post
bearwrite the blog - I can point to that on the internal moz sites
Florianawesome.
Florianand once we have an RFP, the Board can decide on what pot of money we want to open up
Florianand then accept ideas
dwdYeah - anyone any views of how much we should be /need to be spending?
MattJI'd say we should spec it out first
Florianyeah
MattJand decide money after :)
dwdOK, I'm fine with that.
Florianthe way I've run some competitions here with money was that once the ideas are in, they have a request for X amount
dwdPrimarily because it suggests we've reached the end of this discussion, for now.
Florianand depending on that, we either fund it in full or get back to them and offer them something else
bear:)
Florianyeah, I think we're good for now
dwdOK. SO MUC session tomorrow?
Florianyup, it's in my calendar
Floriansame place, same time
MattJwfm
bearwe are just over the 30 minute mark - good time to adjourn?
Florian+1
dwdYup, let's adjourn.
dwdThanks everybody.
bearthanks all
Floriancheers all ... I'm off to the pub
MattJThanks
bearis off to lunch
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dwdis off to help his son pack for his Scout camp.
Ashleyk, ttfn
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Ashleydwd, any chance we can do 30 mins earlier tomorrow? realized i have to shuttle kids to soccer game.
dwdAshley, I'm free all weekend (wife and daughter off for the weekend, and son off on camp too!), so I'm easy.
Ashleyk, i see Florian dropped, will see if i can snag him
Ashleyhmm, i don't have him on my roster, what's his IM?
XSF Discussion - 2012-05-04