I just have to tell you that I reconnected just then
MattJ
198 is so good, but it needs a big announcement every time someone reconnects, to show how well it works
Zash
T+5m ?
dwd
Sorry, my fault, entirely distracted.
dwd
So we have 4/5 board members. Excellent. Hi guys.
bearwaves
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dwd
First off - GSoC - bear/Florian - I think you were going to have a chat about getting Stuff to Students?
bear
yes, I have 2 of 7 addresses - I need to switch to grumpy bear mode to get more addresses
bear
and then we figure out who can ship to where when
dwd
bear, Postal addresses, you mean?
bear
yes
dwd
bear, OK. And you and Florian and Kev are happy with what to send them?
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bear
I believe it's the same book list as before plus tshirts
bearmakes a note to confirm that via list
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dwd
We have some t-shirts to send them?
bearadds that Q to the list
dwd
(I mean, aside from the ones locked in the depths of Cisco Diegem)
bear
I think it's the cisco shirts, was not aware that they are a physical challenge level 3 to retrieve
dwd
So, as a proposal, why don't we get the books shipped as we get the addresses, and then we can sort out t-shirts later? The shipping will be different in each case anyway.
bear
sounds like a plan
dwd
bear, You need a +4 Access Card Of Cisco to get at the t-shirts. ANd they'll all need shipping from Diegem anyway.
bear
then definitely handle later
dwd
OK.
dwd
Florian, Ashley - Happy with ship-as-we-go for books?
bear
I would like to get some shipped to US for oscon - so that could be discussed soon
Ashley
+1 seems like the most reasonable approach
bear
k, action item for next board meeting: report on shipped and to be shipped books
dwd
Righty. ANything else for GSoC?
Florian
+1
dwd
I'll take that as a no.
bear
gsoc is in an odd period - a lot will happen after the first deadline approaches
bear
right now it's "oh my, I got accepted"
dwd
So... SHall we move onto XSF sponsoring development of Crazy BrowserID-onna-XMPP Thing?
bear
+1
Florian
+1!
dwd
Florian, Is that all you're going to say this meeting? :-)
Florian
-1
Florian
:p
Ashley
sure sounds good
Florian
so, I think there's enough interest from the membership to support us doing this?
Ashley
is this the wrong venue/time to ask about scalability of said concept?
dwd
So, the - very vague - proposal is that we - the XSF - spend Actual Money™ to push for a demonstratble implementation of BrowserID using XMPP.
MattJ
Ashley, from a technical perspective?
Ashley
yeah
Florian
dwd: correct
Ashley
i'm in favor of spending Actual Money to support this
Ashley
just curious about server infrastructure that could support 100M+ users
Florian
Ashley: federation :)
Florian
and Flosoft servers :D
MattJ
aka. XMPP :)
Ashley
yeah yeah :)
bear
dwd - my concern is getting the process in place so we can see projects that want/need money and have a selection process
bear
things go really squirrly when money is involved
MattJ
+1
Florian
I'd say we should define a "pot" of money
bear
bounty style then?
Florian
and ask for RFPs for an amount between X and Y
dwd
bear, Right. My concern is that we also need to spec out the project, and divide it into sane chunks we can stick bounties on.
bear
then we need levels and criteria for acceptance
bear
we should plan a face-to-face hack session to work that out
bear
IMO
bearlistens to the sound of everyone rushing for the door
dwd
Is there anyone present who feels they could write out the specification?
waqas
Could we get some pointers to the existing BrowserID spec and code?
dwd
That is, write out the RFP-level spec, not the standard required (which is a whole different thing).
Zash
waqas: It's on github
MattJ
dwd, I'd volunteer, but something makes me think someone else might be better for the task right now ;)
Zash
https://github.com/mozilla/browserid/
bear
waqas - that info is available on github and I can introduce anyone to the moz people
dwd
Hmmm. Actually, slightly different question. Who here is interested in actively managing the project?
Florian
dwd: ah, I'd be happy to do that, but I'd appreciate some pointers from more technical people
Florian
why not just have a Wiki page to draft something like that?
Florian
for the management of the project ... I'm free from the 16th onwards
MattJ
Seems sensible, we do other stuff that way
dwd
OK, so we'll kick things off that way.
Ashley
Florian, dwd, i'm happy to try to help, tho i've never written an rfp before
Florian
great :)
bear
let's start the wiki page then, list some early milestones and just start iterating
Ashley
i've been on the receiving end of them, of course :)
Florian
bear: sounds good
bear
we can meet often to find out if the wiki has become ready to merge to an RFP
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Ashley
at a high level, are we trying to get members of Mozilla or XMPP community to "bid" then?
Florian
I'd say XMPP first
bear
I would love it to be XMPP first
Florian
as we want to push XMPP adoption
bear
but that is easily solved for anyone - they can join
Florian
but if we write our RFP intelligently, it will require XMPP
Florian
and then if Mozilla codes stuff, even better
Ashley
k, timeline is probably an important consideration, when would we want responses
bear
we need to use xmpp as the implementation example
Florian
and yeah, XSF Membership can be a tie breaker
Florian
should we say we want an RFP ready by end of may?
bear
mozilla is already writing xmpp based js
dwd
Florian, At the latest, I'd have thought.
bear
end of may means we need milestones and an outline by middle of next week
dwd
Florian, What do you think the chances of getting some additional cash pledged from industry is?
bear
if we have a sane outline and plans, I can push hard for moz to help with this
Florian
dwd: good question ... I can go out and investigate
Florian
bear: Mozilla has cash :)
bear
but without a plan, i'm tilting at windmills
dwd
Florian, I think that's a task made for you.
dwd
MattJ, Can you contribute technically to the RFP/Plan?
Florian
yeah, once we have an RFP draft, and some goals set for this "project", we can go out and get some munies
MattJ
dwd, sure
bear
sounds like we have enough folk to iterate on the wiki already present
Florian
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BID-RFP
dwd
OK. SO I guess we want that close to complete by end of next week?
Florian
ok
Ashley
ok
Florian
should we maybe schedule a MUC cramming session sometime this weekend / monday (bank holiday here)
Florian
at least I think it's a bank holiday here :/
Florian
Early May Bank Holiday
bear
these other details should go to the list
Florian
yeah
Ashley
i might be able to do about this same time tomorrow
Florian
personally I'd prefer it to be sunday or monday, so that people have some time to notice the mail on the list
bear
yea, I have a colo move downtime for tomorrow - i'll be at the computer :/
bear
but yea, put it out on the list - it's a wiki, work can be 24x7
Florian
true
Florian
so tomorrow, same time .. a MUC session for people who are interested in talking BrowserID RFP
dwd
Yes, a further MUC bashing session sounds sensible. We should also probably announce the intent to proceed on this wider than just the members list.
Florian
yeah, jadmin + jdev?
dwd
Possibly standards@ as well.
Florian
and maybe poke some people at Mozilla ?
dwd
Maybe the blog?
Florian
yeah, standards as well
Florian
sure, I can write a blog post
bear
write the blog - I can point to that on the internal moz sites
Florian
awesome.
Florian
and once we have an RFP, the Board can decide on what pot of money we want to open up
Florian
and then accept ideas
dwd
Yeah - anyone any views of how much we should be /need to be spending?
MattJ
I'd say we should spec it out first
Florian
yeah
MattJ
and decide money after :)
dwd
OK, I'm fine with that.
Florian
the way I've run some competitions here with money was that once the ideas are in, they have a request for X amount
dwd
Primarily because it suggests we've reached the end of this discussion, for now.
Florian
and depending on that, we either fund it in full or get back to them and offer them something else
bear
:)
Florian
yeah, I think we're good for now
dwd
OK. SO MUC session tomorrow?
Florian
yup, it's in my calendar
Florian
same place, same time
MattJ
wfm
bear
we are just over the 30 minute mark - good time to adjourn?
Florian
+1
dwd
Yup, let's adjourn.
dwd
Thanks everybody.
bear
thanks all
Florian
cheers all ... I'm off to the pub
MattJ
Thanks
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Ashley
k, ttfn
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Ashley
dwd, any chance we can do 30 mins earlier tomorrow? realized i have to shuttle kids to soccer game.
dwd
Ashley, I'm free all weekend (wife and daughter off for the weekend, and son off on camp too!), so I'm easy.
Ashley
k, i see Florian dropped, will see if i can snag him
Ashley
hmm, i don't have him on my roster, what's his IM?