XSF Discussion - 2012-05-04

  1. Florian


  2. MattJ

    I just have to tell you that I reconnected just then

  3. MattJ

    198 is so good, but it needs a big announcement every time someone reconnects, to show how well it works

  4. Zash

    T+5m ?

  5. dwd

    Sorry, my fault, entirely distracted.

  6. dwd

    So we have 4/5 board members. Excellent. Hi guys.

  7. bear waves

  8. dwd

    First off - GSoC - bear/Florian - I think you were going to have a chat about getting Stuff to Students?

  9. bear

    yes, I have 2 of 7 addresses - I need to switch to grumpy bear mode to get more addresses

  10. bear

    and then we figure out who can ship to where when

  11. dwd

    bear, Postal addresses, you mean?

  12. bear


  13. dwd

    bear, OK. And you and Florian and Kev are happy with what to send them?

  14. bear

    I believe it's the same book list as before plus tshirts

  15. bear makes a note to confirm that via list

  16. dwd

    We have some t-shirts to send them?

  17. bear adds that Q to the list

  18. dwd

    (I mean, aside from the ones locked in the depths of Cisco Diegem)

  19. bear

    I think it's the cisco shirts, was not aware that they are a physical challenge level 3 to retrieve

  20. dwd

    So, as a proposal, why don't we get the books shipped as we get the addresses, and then we can sort out t-shirts later? The shipping will be different in each case anyway.

  21. bear

    sounds like a plan

  22. dwd

    bear, You need a +4 Access Card Of Cisco to get at the t-shirts. ANd they'll all need shipping from Diegem anyway.

  23. bear

    then definitely handle later

  24. dwd


  25. dwd

    Florian, Ashley - Happy with ship-as-we-go for books?

  26. bear

    I would like to get some shipped to US for oscon - so that could be discussed soon

  27. Ashley

    +1 seems like the most reasonable approach

  28. bear

    k, action item for next board meeting: report on shipped and to be shipped books

  29. dwd

    Righty. ANything else for GSoC?

  30. Florian


  31. dwd

    I'll take that as a no.

  32. bear

    gsoc is in an odd period - a lot will happen after the first deadline approaches

  33. bear

    right now it's "oh my, I got accepted"

  34. dwd

    So... SHall we move onto XSF sponsoring development of Crazy BrowserID-onna-XMPP Thing?

  35. bear


  36. Florian


  37. dwd

    Florian, Is that all you're going to say this meeting? :-)

  38. Florian


  39. Florian


  40. Ashley

    sure sounds good

  41. Florian

    so, I think there's enough interest from the membership to support us doing this?

  42. Ashley

    is this the wrong venue/time to ask about scalability of said concept?

  43. dwd

    So, the - very vague - proposal is that we - the XSF - spend Actual Money™ to push for a demonstratble implementation of BrowserID using XMPP.

  44. MattJ

    Ashley, from a technical perspective?

  45. Ashley


  46. Florian

    dwd: correct

  47. Ashley

    i'm in favor of spending Actual Money to support this

  48. Ashley

    just curious about server infrastructure that could support 100M+ users

  49. Florian

    Ashley: federation :)

  50. Florian

    and Flosoft servers :D

  51. MattJ

    aka. XMPP :)

  52. Ashley

    yeah yeah :)

  53. bear

    dwd - my concern is getting the process in place so we can see projects that want/need money and have a selection process

  54. bear

    things go really squirrly when money is involved

  55. MattJ


  56. Florian

    I'd say we should define a "pot" of money

  57. bear

    bounty style then?

  58. Florian

    and ask for RFPs for an amount between X and Y

  59. dwd

    bear, Right. My concern is that we also need to spec out the project, and divide it into sane chunks we can stick bounties on.

  60. bear

    then we need levels and criteria for acceptance

  61. bear

    we should plan a face-to-face hack session to work that out

  62. bear


  63. bear listens to the sound of everyone rushing for the door

  64. dwd

    Is there anyone present who feels they could write out the specification?

  65. waqas

    Could we get some pointers to the existing BrowserID spec and code?

  66. dwd

    That is, write out the RFP-level spec, not the standard required (which is a whole different thing).

  67. Zash

    waqas: It's on github

  68. MattJ

    dwd, I'd volunteer, but something makes me think someone else might be better for the task right now ;)

  69. Zash


  70. bear

    waqas - that info is available on github and I can introduce anyone to the moz people

  71. dwd

    Hmmm. Actually, slightly different question. Who here is interested in actively managing the project?

  72. Florian

    dwd: ah, I'd be happy to do that, but I'd appreciate some pointers from more technical people

  73. Florian

    why not just have a Wiki page to draft something like that?

  74. Florian

    for the management of the project ... I'm free from the 16th onwards

  75. MattJ

    Seems sensible, we do other stuff that way

  76. dwd

    OK, so we'll kick things off that way.

  77. Ashley

    Florian, dwd, i'm happy to try to help, tho i've never written an rfp before

  78. Florian

    great :)

  79. bear

    let's start the wiki page then, list some early milestones and just start iterating

  80. Ashley

    i've been on the receiving end of them, of course :)

  81. Florian

    bear: sounds good

  82. bear

    we can meet often to find out if the wiki has become ready to merge to an RFP

  83. Ashley

    at a high level, are we trying to get members of Mozilla or XMPP community to "bid" then?

  84. Florian

    I'd say XMPP first

  85. bear

    I would love it to be XMPP first

  86. Florian

    as we want to push XMPP adoption

  87. bear

    but that is easily solved for anyone - they can join

  88. Florian

    but if we write our RFP intelligently, it will require XMPP

  89. Florian

    and then if Mozilla codes stuff, even better

  90. Ashley

    k, timeline is probably an important consideration, when would we want responses

  91. bear

    we need to use xmpp as the implementation example

  92. Florian

    and yeah, XSF Membership can be a tie breaker

  93. Florian

    should we say we want an RFP ready by end of may?

  94. bear

    mozilla is already writing xmpp based js

  95. dwd

    Florian, At the latest, I'd have thought.

  96. bear

    end of may means we need milestones and an outline by middle of next week

  97. dwd

    Florian, What do you think the chances of getting some additional cash pledged from industry is?

  98. bear

    if we have a sane outline and plans, I can push hard for moz to help with this

  99. Florian

    dwd: good question ... I can go out and investigate

  100. Florian

    bear: Mozilla has cash :)

  101. bear

    but without a plan, i'm tilting at windmills

  102. dwd

    Florian, I think that's a task made for you.

  103. dwd

    MattJ, Can you contribute technically to the RFP/Plan?

  104. Florian

    yeah, once we have an RFP draft, and some goals set for this "project", we can go out and get some munies

  105. MattJ

    dwd, sure

  106. bear

    sounds like we have enough folk to iterate on the wiki already present

  107. Florian


  108. dwd

    OK. SO I guess we want that close to complete by end of next week?

  109. Florian


  110. Ashley


  111. Florian

    should we maybe schedule a MUC cramming session sometime this weekend / monday (bank holiday here)

  112. Florian

    at least I think it's a bank holiday here :/

  113. Florian

    Early May Bank Holiday

  114. bear

    these other details should go to the list

  115. Florian


  116. Ashley

    i might be able to do about this same time tomorrow

  117. Florian

    personally I'd prefer it to be sunday or monday, so that people have some time to notice the mail on the list

  118. bear

    yea, I have a colo move downtime for tomorrow - i'll be at the computer :/

  119. bear

    but yea, put it out on the list - it's a wiki, work can be 24x7

  120. Florian


  121. Florian

    so tomorrow, same time .. a MUC session for people who are interested in talking BrowserID RFP

  122. dwd

    Yes, a further MUC bashing session sounds sensible. We should also probably announce the intent to proceed on this wider than just the members list.

  123. Florian

    yeah, jadmin + jdev?

  124. dwd

    Possibly standards@ as well.

  125. Florian

    and maybe poke some people at Mozilla ?

  126. dwd

    Maybe the blog?

  127. Florian

    yeah, standards as well

  128. Florian

    sure, I can write a blog post

  129. bear

    write the blog - I can point to that on the internal moz sites

  130. Florian


  131. Florian

    and once we have an RFP, the Board can decide on what pot of money we want to open up

  132. Florian

    and then accept ideas

  133. dwd

    Yeah - anyone any views of how much we should be /need to be spending?

  134. MattJ

    I'd say we should spec it out first

  135. Florian


  136. MattJ

    and decide money after :)

  137. dwd

    OK, I'm fine with that.

  138. Florian

    the way I've run some competitions here with money was that once the ideas are in, they have a request for X amount

  139. dwd

    Primarily because it suggests we've reached the end of this discussion, for now.

  140. Florian

    and depending on that, we either fund it in full or get back to them and offer them something else

  141. bear


  142. Florian

    yeah, I think we're good for now

  143. dwd

    OK. SO MUC session tomorrow?

  144. Florian

    yup, it's in my calendar

  145. Florian

    same place, same time

  146. MattJ


  147. bear

    we are just over the 30 minute mark - good time to adjourn?

  148. Florian


  149. dwd

    Yup, let's adjourn.

  150. dwd

    Thanks everybody.

  151. bear

    thanks all

  152. Florian

    cheers all ... I'm off to the pub

  153. MattJ


  154. bear is off to lunch

  155. dwd is off to help his son pack for his Scout camp.

  156. Ashley

    k, ttfn

  157. Ashley

    dwd, any chance we can do 30 mins earlier tomorrow? realized i have to shuttle kids to soccer game.

  158. dwd

    Ashley, I'm free all weekend (wife and daughter off for the weekend, and son off on camp too!), so I'm easy.

  159. Ashley

    k, i see Florian dropped, will see if i can snag him

  160. Ashley

    hmm, i don't have him on my roster, what's his IM?