XSF Discussion - 2012-05-04

T-2m

I just have to tell you that I reconnected just then

198 is so good, but it needs a big announcement every time someone reconnects, to show how well it works

T+5m ?

Sorry, my fault, entirely distracted.

So we have 4/5 board members. Excellent. Hi guys.

First off - GSoC - bear/Florian - I think you were going to have a chat about getting Stuff to Students?

yes, I have 2 of 7 addresses - I need to switch to grumpy bear mode to get more addresses

and then we figure out who can ship to where when

bear, Postal addresses, you mean?

yes

bear, OK. And you and Florian and Kev are happy with what to send them?

I believe it's the same book list as before plus tshirts

We have some t-shirts to send them?

(I mean, aside from the ones locked in the depths of Cisco Diegem)

I think it's the cisco shirts, was not aware that they are a physical challenge level 3 to retrieve

So, as a proposal, why don't we get the books shipped as we get the addresses, and then we can sort out t-shirts later? The shipping will be different in each case anyway.

sounds like a plan

bear, You need a +4 Access Card Of Cisco to get at the t-shirts. ANd they'll all need shipping from Diegem anyway.

then definitely handle later

OK.

Florian, Ashley - Happy with ship-as-we-go for books?

I would like to get some shipped to US for oscon - so that could be discussed soon

+1 seems like the most reasonable approach

k, action item for next board meeting: report on shipped and to be shipped books

Righty. ANything else for GSoC?

+1

I'll take that as a no.

gsoc is in an odd period - a lot will happen after the first deadline approaches

right now it's "oh my, I got accepted"

So... SHall we move onto XSF sponsoring development of Crazy BrowserID-onna-XMPP Thing?

+1

+1!

Florian, Is that all you're going to say this meeting? :-)

-1

:p

sure sounds good

so, I think there's enough interest from the membership to support us doing this?

is this the wrong venue/time to ask about scalability of said concept?

So, the - very vague - proposal is that we - the XSF - spend Actual Money™ to push for a demonstratble implementation of BrowserID using XMPP.

Ashley, from a technical perspective?

yeah

dwd: correct

i'm in favor of spending Actual Money to support this

just curious about server infrastructure that could support 100M+ users

Ashley: federation :)

and Flosoft servers :D

aka. XMPP :)

yeah yeah :)

dwd - my concern is getting the process in place so we can see projects that want/need money and have a selection process

things go really squirrly when money is involved

+1

I'd say we should define a "pot" of money

bounty style then?

and ask for RFPs for an amount between X and Y

bear, Right. My concern is that we also need to spec out the project, and divide it into sane chunks we can stick bounties on.

then we need levels and criteria for acceptance

we should plan a face-to-face hack session to work that out

IMO

Is there anyone present who feels they could write out the specification?

Could we get some pointers to the existing BrowserID spec and code?

That is, write out the RFP-level spec, not the standard required (which is a whole different thing).

waqas: It's on github

dwd, I'd volunteer, but something makes me think someone else might be better for the task right now ;)

https://github.com/mozilla/browserid/

waqas - that info is available on github and I can introduce anyone to the moz people

Hmmm. Actually, slightly different question. Who here is interested in actively managing the project?

dwd: ah, I'd be happy to do that, but I'd appreciate some pointers from more technical people

why not just have a Wiki page to draft something like that?

for the management of the project ... I'm free from the 16th onwards

Seems sensible, we do other stuff that way

OK, so we'll kick things off that way.

Florian, dwd, i'm happy to try to help, tho i've never written an rfp before

great :)

let's start the wiki page then, list some early milestones and just start iterating

i've been on the receiving end of them, of course :)

bear: sounds good

we can meet often to find out if the wiki has become ready to merge to an RFP

at a high level, are we trying to get members of Mozilla or XMPP community to "bid" then?

I'd say XMPP first

I would love it to be XMPP first

as we want to push XMPP adoption

but that is easily solved for anyone - they can join

but if we write our RFP intelligently, it will require XMPP

and then if Mozilla codes stuff, even better

k, timeline is probably an important consideration, when would we want responses

we need to use xmpp as the implementation example

and yeah, XSF Membership can be a tie breaker

should we say we want an RFP ready by end of may?

mozilla is already writing xmpp based js

Florian, At the latest, I'd have thought.

end of may means we need milestones and an outline by middle of next week

Florian, What do you think the chances of getting some additional cash pledged from industry is?

if we have a sane outline and plans, I can push hard for moz to help with this

dwd: good question ... I can go out and investigate

bear: Mozilla has cash :)

but without a plan, i'm tilting at windmills

Florian, I think that's a task made for you.

MattJ, Can you contribute technically to the RFP/Plan?

yeah, once we have an RFP draft, and some goals set for this "project", we can go out and get some munies

dwd, sure

sounds like we have enough folk to iterate on the wiki already present

http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BID-RFP

OK. SO I guess we want that close to complete by end of next week?

ok

ok

should we maybe schedule a MUC cramming session sometime this weekend / monday (bank holiday here)

at least I think it's a bank holiday here :/

Early May Bank Holiday

these other details should go to the list

yeah

i might be able to do about this same time tomorrow

personally I'd prefer it to be sunday or monday, so that people have some time to notice the mail on the list

yea, I have a colo move downtime for tomorrow - i'll be at the computer :/

but yea, put it out on the list - it's a wiki, work can be 24x7

true

so tomorrow, same time .. a MUC session for people who are interested in talking BrowserID RFP

Yes, a further MUC bashing session sounds sensible. We should also probably announce the intent to proceed on this wider than just the members list.

yeah, jadmin + jdev?

Possibly standards@ as well.

and maybe poke some people at Mozilla ?

Maybe the blog?

yeah, standards as well

sure, I can write a blog post

write the blog - I can point to that on the internal moz sites

awesome.

and once we have an RFP, the Board can decide on what pot of money we want to open up

and then accept ideas

Yeah - anyone any views of how much we should be /need to be spending?

I'd say we should spec it out first

yeah

and decide money after :)

OK, I'm fine with that.

the way I've run some competitions here with money was that once the ideas are in, they have a request for X amount

Primarily because it suggests we've reached the end of this discussion, for now.

and depending on that, we either fund it in full or get back to them and offer them something else

:)

yeah, I think we're good for now

OK. SO MUC session tomorrow?

yup, it's in my calendar

same place, same time

wfm

we are just over the 30 minute mark - good time to adjourn?

+1

Yup, let's adjourn.

Thanks everybody.

thanks all

cheers all ... I'm off to the pub

Thanks

k, ttfn

dwd, any chance we can do 30 mins earlier tomorrow? realized i have to shuttle kids to soccer game.

Ashley, I'm free all weekend (wife and daughter off for the weekend, and son off on camp too!), so I'm easy.

k, i see Florian dropped, will see if i can snag him

hmm, i don't have him on my roster, what's his IM?