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Florian
T-2m
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MattJ
I just have to tell you that I reconnected just then
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MattJ
198 is so good, but it needs a big announcement every time someone reconnects, to show how well it works
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Zash
T+5m ?
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dwd
Sorry, my fault, entirely distracted.
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dwd
So we have 4/5 board members. Excellent. Hi guys.
- bear waves
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dwd
First off - GSoC - bear/Florian - I think you were going to have a chat about getting Stuff to Students?
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bear
yes, I have 2 of 7 addresses - I need to switch to grumpy bear mode to get more addresses
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bear
and then we figure out who can ship to where when
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dwd
bear, Postal addresses, you mean?
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bear
yes
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dwd
bear, OK. And you and Florian and Kev are happy with what to send them?
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bear
I believe it's the same book list as before plus tshirts
- bear makes a note to confirm that via list
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dwd
We have some t-shirts to send them?
- bear adds that Q to the list
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dwd
(I mean, aside from the ones locked in the depths of Cisco Diegem)
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bear
I think it's the cisco shirts, was not aware that they are a physical challenge level 3 to retrieve
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dwd
So, as a proposal, why don't we get the books shipped as we get the addresses, and then we can sort out t-shirts later? The shipping will be different in each case anyway.
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bear
sounds like a plan
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dwd
bear, You need a +4 Access Card Of Cisco to get at the t-shirts. ANd they'll all need shipping from Diegem anyway.
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bear
then definitely handle later
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dwd
OK.
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dwd
Florian, Ashley - Happy with ship-as-we-go for books?
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bear
I would like to get some shipped to US for oscon - so that could be discussed soon
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Ashley
+1 seems like the most reasonable approach
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bear
k, action item for next board meeting: report on shipped and to be shipped books
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dwd
Righty. ANything else for GSoC?
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Florian
+1
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dwd
I'll take that as a no.
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bear
gsoc is in an odd period - a lot will happen after the first deadline approaches
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bear
right now it's "oh my, I got accepted"
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dwd
So... SHall we move onto XSF sponsoring development of Crazy BrowserID-onna-XMPP Thing?
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bear
+1
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Florian
+1!
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dwd
Florian, Is that all you're going to say this meeting? :-)
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Florian
-1
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Florian
:p
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Ashley
sure sounds good
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Florian
so, I think there's enough interest from the membership to support us doing this?
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Ashley
is this the wrong venue/time to ask about scalability of said concept?
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dwd
So, the - very vague - proposal is that we - the XSF - spend Actual Money™ to push for a demonstratble implementation of BrowserID using XMPP.
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MattJ
Ashley, from a technical perspective?
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Ashley
yeah
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Florian
dwd: correct
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Ashley
i'm in favor of spending Actual Money to support this
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Ashley
just curious about server infrastructure that could support 100M+ users
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Florian
Ashley: federation :)
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Florian
and Flosoft servers :D
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MattJ
aka. XMPP :)
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Ashley
yeah yeah :)
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bear
dwd - my concern is getting the process in place so we can see projects that want/need money and have a selection process
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bear
things go really squirrly when money is involved
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MattJ
+1
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Florian
I'd say we should define a "pot" of money
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bear
bounty style then?
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Florian
and ask for RFPs for an amount between X and Y
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dwd
bear, Right. My concern is that we also need to spec out the project, and divide it into sane chunks we can stick bounties on.
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bear
then we need levels and criteria for acceptance
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bear
we should plan a face-to-face hack session to work that out
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bear
IMO
- bear listens to the sound of everyone rushing for the door
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dwd
Is there anyone present who feels they could write out the specification?
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waqas
Could we get some pointers to the existing BrowserID spec and code?
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dwd
That is, write out the RFP-level spec, not the standard required (which is a whole different thing).
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Zash
waqas: It's on github
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MattJ
dwd, I'd volunteer, but something makes me think someone else might be better for the task right now ;)
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Zash
https://github.com/mozilla/browserid/
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bear
waqas - that info is available on github and I can introduce anyone to the moz people
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dwd
Hmmm. Actually, slightly different question. Who here is interested in actively managing the project?
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Florian
dwd: ah, I'd be happy to do that, but I'd appreciate some pointers from more technical people
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Florian
why not just have a Wiki page to draft something like that?
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Florian
for the management of the project ... I'm free from the 16th onwards
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MattJ
Seems sensible, we do other stuff that way
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dwd
OK, so we'll kick things off that way.
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Ashley
Florian, dwd, i'm happy to try to help, tho i've never written an rfp before
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Florian
great :)
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bear
let's start the wiki page then, list some early milestones and just start iterating
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Ashley
i've been on the receiving end of them, of course :)
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Florian
bear: sounds good
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bear
we can meet often to find out if the wiki has become ready to merge to an RFP
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Ashley
at a high level, are we trying to get members of Mozilla or XMPP community to "bid" then?
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Florian
I'd say XMPP first
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bear
I would love it to be XMPP first
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Florian
as we want to push XMPP adoption
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bear
but that is easily solved for anyone - they can join
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Florian
but if we write our RFP intelligently, it will require XMPP
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Florian
and then if Mozilla codes stuff, even better
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Ashley
k, timeline is probably an important consideration, when would we want responses
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bear
we need to use xmpp as the implementation example
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Florian
and yeah, XSF Membership can be a tie breaker
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Florian
should we say we want an RFP ready by end of may?
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bear
mozilla is already writing xmpp based js
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dwd
Florian, At the latest, I'd have thought.
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bear
end of may means we need milestones and an outline by middle of next week
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dwd
Florian, What do you think the chances of getting some additional cash pledged from industry is?
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bear
if we have a sane outline and plans, I can push hard for moz to help with this
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Florian
dwd: good question ... I can go out and investigate
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Florian
bear: Mozilla has cash :)
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bear
but without a plan, i'm tilting at windmills
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dwd
Florian, I think that's a task made for you.
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dwd
MattJ, Can you contribute technically to the RFP/Plan?
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Florian
yeah, once we have an RFP draft, and some goals set for this "project", we can go out and get some munies
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MattJ
dwd, sure
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bear
sounds like we have enough folk to iterate on the wiki already present
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Florian
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BID-RFP
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dwd
OK. SO I guess we want that close to complete by end of next week?
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Florian
ok
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Ashley
ok
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Florian
should we maybe schedule a MUC cramming session sometime this weekend / monday (bank holiday here)
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Florian
at least I think it's a bank holiday here :/
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Florian
Early May Bank Holiday
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bear
these other details should go to the list
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Florian
yeah
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Ashley
i might be able to do about this same time tomorrow
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Florian
personally I'd prefer it to be sunday or monday, so that people have some time to notice the mail on the list
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bear
yea, I have a colo move downtime for tomorrow - i'll be at the computer :/
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bear
but yea, put it out on the list - it's a wiki, work can be 24x7
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Florian
true
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Florian
so tomorrow, same time .. a MUC session for people who are interested in talking BrowserID RFP
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dwd
Yes, a further MUC bashing session sounds sensible. We should also probably announce the intent to proceed on this wider than just the members list.
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Florian
yeah, jadmin + jdev?
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dwd
Possibly standards@ as well.
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Florian
and maybe poke some people at Mozilla ?
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dwd
Maybe the blog?
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Florian
yeah, standards as well
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Florian
sure, I can write a blog post
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bear
write the blog - I can point to that on the internal moz sites
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Florian
awesome.
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Florian
and once we have an RFP, the Board can decide on what pot of money we want to open up
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Florian
and then accept ideas
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dwd
Yeah - anyone any views of how much we should be /need to be spending?
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MattJ
I'd say we should spec it out first
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Florian
yeah
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MattJ
and decide money after :)
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dwd
OK, I'm fine with that.
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Florian
the way I've run some competitions here with money was that once the ideas are in, they have a request for X amount
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dwd
Primarily because it suggests we've reached the end of this discussion, for now.
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Florian
and depending on that, we either fund it in full or get back to them and offer them something else
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bear
:)
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Florian
yeah, I think we're good for now
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dwd
OK. SO MUC session tomorrow?
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Florian
yup, it's in my calendar
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Florian
same place, same time
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MattJ
wfm
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bear
we are just over the 30 minute mark - good time to adjourn?
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Florian
+1
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dwd
Yup, let's adjourn.
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dwd
Thanks everybody.
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bear
thanks all
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Florian
cheers all ... I'm off to the pub
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MattJ
Thanks
- bear is off to lunch
- dwd is off to help his son pack for his Scout camp.
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Ashley
k, ttfn
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Ashley
dwd, any chance we can do 30 mins earlier tomorrow? realized i have to shuttle kids to soccer game.
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dwd
Ashley, I'm free all weekend (wife and daughter off for the weekend, and son off on camp too!), so I'm easy.
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Ashley
k, i see Florian dropped, will see if i can snag him
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Ashley
hmm, i don't have him on my roster, what's his IM?