XSF Discussion - 2013-01-03

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  38. arcriley

    hey ashley

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  40. stpeter

    one more hour, no?

  41. bear


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  48. Florian

    hi all

  49. Simon

    Hey Florian.

  50. arcriley


  51. intosi


  52. Dave Cridland

    Good greebling to one and all.

  53. arcriley

    wow we may actually have quorum

  54. bear


  55. intosi


  56. Simon

    what's the plan for the summit hotel?

  57. Dave Cridland

    I think you should definitely get a hotel.

  58. Simon

    I was personally quite happy with the last one -

  59. Simon


  60. Dave Cridland is Official SUpplier Of Helpful Comments.

  61. stpeter

    Simon: someone said the travel was a bit inconvenient

  62. bear

    florian - go ahead and start the meeting

  63. Florian


  64. intosi

    Travel and ENOBACON

  65. stpeter

    I would like to officially request warmer weather this year!!!

  66. Florian


  67. Florian

    at the moment it doesn't look too cold

  68. Dave Cridland

    Yeah, I think it was quite nice (modulo breakfast), but also being out of the centre gave us, I thought, a bit of a village atmosphere - I think a lot of useful chatter happened in the evenings and so on.

  69. bear is just happy to actually be going this year

  70. Simon

    I personally didn't have a problem with it for Cisco. That said it was closer to the FOSDEM venue.

  71. Simon looks forward to meeting the Bear.

  72. Florian

    ok, so I've been in touch with some hotels today

  73. Florian

    and got 3 offers

  74. Florian

    I don't know if you guys remember the Best Western in the centre

  75. Florian

    (the bunker one)

  76. stpeter

    Dave: that's a good point

  77. Florian

    Chambres : 12 chambres Date : du 30.01.2013 au 03.02.2013 – 4 nuits Prix Spécial : € 129 la chambre single par nuit au lieu de € 330 par chambre par nuit (Net) € 159 la chambre double par nuit au lieu de € 350 par chambre par nuit (Net) Ces prix sont net, TVA, et petit-déjeuner buffet inclus. Ces prix excluent € 8 City Tax par chambre par nuit.

  78. Dave Cridland

    Each quote in a different language...

  79. Florian


  80. Florian

    so it's 129€ for a single room

  81. Dave Cridland

    Buffet breakfast included. I didn't stay there, no opinion. (And no say, since I'm not coming this year).

  82. Florian

    and then I got 2 quotes

  83. Florian

    one for the Meridien and the ALoft

  84. Simon

    the Aloft works out about 70pp sharing a twin room.

  85. Florian

    LE MERIDIEN BRUSSELS (5*) Aankomst: 30 januari 2013 Vertrek: 03 februari 2013 Kamers: 10 singles Tarieven – geldig voor 10 kamers of meer: Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013 229 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013 129 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen ALOFT BRUSSELS SCHUMAN (3*) Aankomst: 30 januari 2013 Vertrek: 03 februari 2013 Kamers: 10 singles Tarieven – geldig voor 10 kamers of meer: Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013 169 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013 79 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen

  86. Florian

    which means the ALoft is the cheapest

  87. stpeter

    really, aloft was fine with me

  88. Simon


  89. stpeter

    a bit cheesy, but hey :)

  90. Florian

    the ALoft was quite fun

  91. Florian

    a bit more of a community feeling than the others

  92. stpeter

    maybe I'm just not hip enough :P

  93. Florian

    with the bar and the Wii

  94. Dave Cridland

    Florian, is it worth looking at minibus rental or anything, to mitigate the travel?

  95. intosi

    I was about to write just that, Florian.

  96. Dave Cridland

    Florian, Although preferably not with you driving.

  97. Florian


  98. Dave Cridland shudders.

  99. Simon

    For me it's really just travelling the one day-

  100. intosi

    I could do some driving, if needed.

  101. Florian

    the question is ... minibus from / to?

  102. bear

    let's settle the hotel issue first...

  103. Florian


  104. Dave Cridland

    Florian, I meant FOSDEM <-> ALoft.

  105. bear

    any reason to not go with aloft since it's 1) known and 2) affordable

  106. Simon

    is a minibus during rush hour really going to be quicker?

  107. Florian

    Simon: unlikely

  108. Florian

    bit it's weekend

  109. Dave Cridland

    Simon, Convenience as well as speed, though.

  110. Florian

    so it's fine

  111. Simon

    I presume the minibus is to get to Cisco?

  112. Florian

    Minibus is not big enough for everyone though

  113. Florian

    or how small are we talking?

  114. Florian

    the other issue is parking

  115. Simon

    for Aloft to FOSDEM a taxi at Euro 5pp seems fine to me.

  116. Dave Cridland

    Right, I was assuming shuttle from FOSDEM rather than transit to Diegem.

  117. stpeter

    oh, the public transit is fun, though

  118. Simon

    I think we are overthinking this.

  119. Florian

    I agree

  120. Florian

    I'd say, Minibus is too complicated

  121. Florian

    so for Hotel ... ALoft?

  122. Simon

    I'm down.

  123. bear

    +1 aloft

  124. Dave Cridland

    Simon, Surely you're up if you're aloft?

  125. Simon


  126. Florian


  127. Florian

    I'll get that sorted tomorrow then

  128. Florian

    giving Saskia a call :)

  129. Florian

    right ...

  130. Florian

    Minibus issue done?

  131. stpeter

    Florian: yes

  132. Florian

    next up .. Dinner

  133. Florian

    given the Summit is now on Thursday / Friday

  134. Dave Cridland

    Yes, good point.

  135. Florian

    I was thinking, let's do the dinner still on Saturday after FOSDEM

  136. Florian

    I think people will still be there for the Saturday

  137. stpeter

    I would think so, yes

  138. Dave Cridland

    Except people will be leaving Sunday, and it's a useful way to break the ice.

  139. Florian

    the alternative would be Thursday

  140. bear

    anyone only going to the summit will not be present sat night

  141. Dave Cridland

    I'd lean toward having it earlier (ie, Thursday).

  142. bear

    (I know I won't be)

  143. Florian


  144. Florian

    I'll see if we can do Thursday evening then

  145. Dave Cridland

    Same place, I assume?

  146. Florian

    I don't mind

  147. Florian

    easiest place to sort

  148. Dave Cridland

    I think there'd be riots if you picked anywhere else.

  149. bear


  150. intosi

    It's a tradition.

  151. Florian


  152. Simon

    and very good.

  153. intosi

    Break one parameter a year, no more than that.

  154. Florian

    alright ... then we just need to find some sponsors :)

  155. Lance

    let's not do everything differently now that bear gets to come :p

  156. stpeter

    Lance: :)

  157. Florian

    so if anyone knows anyone willing to sponsor, tell them to give me a shout :)

  158. Florian


  159. Florian

    alright, I'll sort that tomorrow as well

  160. stpeter

    Florian: I have some ideas about people we can poke :)

  161. Florian

    great :)

  162. Dave Cridland

    As do I.

  163. bear

    we should do a short blog post about the details once they are settled

  164. Simon is willing to be poked a bit.

  165. stpeter

    bear: yep

  166. Florian

    will do

  167. Florian

    I'll get those details confirmed tomorrow

  168. bear

    florian - poke &Yet about the dinner

  169. Florian


  170. Florian

    anything else on the dinner?

  171. stpeter


  172. Dave Cridland

    Do they do delivery?

  173. Florian


  174. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: not to Wales, I'm afraid

  175. Florian

    you would need to sort a courier

  176. Florian

    Dave Cridland: only to London :D

  177. bear

    I'll drop a parcel from the plan as I fly over london

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  179. bear


  180. Dave Cridland

    bear, You won't fly over Wales, though. :-(

  181. Kev ambles in.

  182. bear

    I could try, but I think the airline would frown on the method

  183. intosi

    bear: toss it at an angle

  184. Simon

    What's the plan for the realtime lounge?

  185. Florian

    so, similar to next year

  186. Florian

    we still have the furniture at Cisco

  187. Florian

    I think we should check what's there

  188. stpeter


  189. Simon

    Aeron chairs in the RT lounge?

  190. Simon

    sounds more upmarket :)

  191. Florian


  192. intosi

    More chairs would be nice.

  193. stpeter

    Florian: I can ping my contacts in Diegem

  194. Florian

    we can check what's there

  195. Florian

    on Thursday / Friday

  196. stpeter

    we should have taken inventory last year :)

  197. Florian

    and drop by Ikea again

  198. stpeter

    Florian: ah, true

  199. stpeter


  200. Dave Cridland

    Also, there's t-shirt stock that's a sunk cost, so spending a bit at Ikea again isn't a problem.

  201. Florian


  202. Florian

    anything else on RTL?

  203. Dave Cridland

    I think there's even a hoodie or ten.

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  205. Florian

    I guess that's a no :)

  206. Florian

    so moving on to Speakers :)

  207. Florian

    I haven't had time to check the mails

  208. Florian

    but how are we looking on that front?

  209. stpeter

    Florian: I can make a rough agenda tonight

  210. Kev

    [Going back to the hotel point - Aloft wasn't bad, breakfast was pretty poor but tolerable for a couple of days, getting to FOSDEM was convenient on public travel, and we went to Diegem en masse, so I'm not opposed to going back]

  211. stpeter

    Kev: agreed on breakfast

  212. bear

    florian - i was going to go thru the mail tonight and update the wiki

  213. Florian

    Kev: alright :)

  214. Florian

    bear: great

  215. bear

    so we know for sure how many speakers we have

  216. stpeter

    bear: ok great

  217. Florian

    next ... hoodies / t-shirts?

  218. Simon

    I saw a rather lousy proposal about buddycloud but the rest of the speech proposals all looked great.

  219. bear

    I don't think we have too many yet - my memory is telling me we have 6

  220. stpeter

    bear: I also heard from Waqas that he would like to give a talk, but I told him to post to the list

  221. Simon

    Waqas will make it?

  222. Florian

    he should, yes

  223. bear

    yep, if it's not in the list then I won't count it

  224. stpeter

    Simon: that's the hope

  225. stpeter

    Simon: visas can be difficult to come by etc., but we're all pitching in on that front

  226. bear

    if we know someone who could make it but can't swing the hotel - let me know - I was planning on going on my own dime but now work is paying for it, so I have that cost covered

  227. Florian


  228. Florian

    next up ... T-Shirts / Hoodies?

  229. Florian

    no discussions about those yet

  230. Florian

    do we want them

  231. Florian

    can we still get them?

  232. Dave Cridland

    There is some stock. QUite a lot of t-shirts, a few hoodies.

  233. stpeter


  234. Florian

    the design from last year was very popular

  235. stpeter


  236. intosi

    Hoodies were big last year, partly due to the low temperatures.

  237. Florian


  238. Kev

    For talks, I'll give my standard offer - I have nothing interesting to say, but if someone has a topic they'd like me to talk about I'm happy to (assuming I know anything about it). Golly I'm lagging behind this meeting.

  239. intosi

    The only shirts left are the sick-coloured ones, if I recall correctly.

  240. stpeter

    intosi: :)

  241. fippo

    kev: fmuc vs dmuc showdown? :-)

  242. Dave Cridland

    intosi, No, I'm pretty sure we had boxes of the block ones too. We started with 200, and they weren't selling *that* fast.

  243. intosi

    Dave: ah, okay.

  244. Dave Cridland

    Kev, fippo - standards development by mud wrestling.

  245. Dave Cridland

    Black ones.

  246. Dave Cridland

    That's what I meant.

  247. Dave Cridland

    Not "block ones". No Minecraft styling here.

  248. Florian


  249. intosi

    Dove Cridlond, we understood you the first time.

  250. Florian

    should we try and get some more?

  251. stpeter

    http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Participants udpated

  252. stpeter

    updated even

  253. Kev

    stpeter: If you still hae it open, can you pop me on please?

  254. stpeter


  255. Kev

    Else I'll try to find my wiki creds.

  256. Florian

    and me :)

  257. Simon

    Florian: any chance of some more mobile viking sim cards?

  258. Florian

    no free ones, but I can buy some

  259. Dave Cridland

    Kev, Are wiki creds like street creds, only less cool?

  260. stpeter

    Kev and Florian added

  261. Kev

    More cool.

  262. Florian

    stpeter: ta

  263. Kev

    stpeter: Thanks.

  264. Simon

    I'd happily sign-up for a SIM card for the four days.

  265. stpeter

    fippo added too :)

  266. Florian

    so yeah, coming back to the t-shirts / hoodies

  267. intosi

    Shirts seem to become less popular every year.

  268. Florian

    should we order some more ?

  269. Florian

    or some other merch?

  270. intosi

    Mugs, polo shirts?

  271. Dave Cridland

    Yeah. The place I got the hoodies from now do a bunch of other clothing. However, I'd note that we barely scraped even last year.

  272. intosi


  273. Kev

    I'd be more inclined to get other stuff, if I'm honest, than t-shurts.

  274. Dave Cridland

    Pens might be cool.

  275. stpeter

    mugs are kind of heavy

  276. Dave Cridland

    Should be able to get some cheap enough to give away.

  277. Florian

    and break easily in transit

  278. intosi

    Stickers were popular some years ago.

  279. stpeter


  280. Florian

    yeah, let's get stickers

  281. stpeter

    intosi: true

  282. Kev

    Mugs or Polo shirts or pens I might buy, but equally if we're making a loss on these things and it's a nuisance to arrange, what do they gain us?

  283. Florian

    some branding

  284. intosi

    Stickers should be cheap enough to give away.

  285. Florian

    I'd say, stickers and pens?

  286. Simon

    stickers with a place to write in your XMPP address would be nice.

  287. intosi

    Simon: good idea

  288. arcriley

    great idea

  289. Florian

    I like that :)

  290. Simon

    then slap it onto your laptop and immediate friends.

  291. stpeter

    and you can write the JID using the pen! brilliant! :)

  292. Florian


  293. Florian

    who wants to take charge on that?

  294. stpeter

    and if you write it really fast, it'll be an instant message ;-)

  295. Florian

    and maybe come up with some designs?

  296. intosi

    Glossy stickers are notable for their ability to withstand writing..

  297. Florian

    stpeter: lol

  298. stpeter

    no volunteers for designs, I see :)

  299. Florian


  300. Kev

    Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an artist.

  301. arcriley

    im looking at sticker printers finding one suitable for that

  302. intosi

    I only draw for medicinal purposes.

  303. bear

    let me ask if one of the creative types here can help - no promises but i'll ask

  304. Florian

    awesome :)

  305. Simon

    IMHO sticker printing has a longish lead time. Especially for cutouts.

  306. arcriley

    stickermule stickers are great, but yes, glossy, you'd need fine tip sharpies

  307. arcriley

    Simon, you can pay for expidite

  308. Florian

    I've got to run in a few mins ...

  309. Florian

    is there anything else?

  310. Florian

    I'll take a look around for sticker places too

  311. Florian

    see how quickly they can print

  312. Dave Cridland

    "Hello, my jid is" stickers sound awesome.

  313. bear

    do we have artwork handy for the logo?

  314. Dave Cridland


  315. arcriley

    you mean the xmpp svg? yes.

  316. bear

    I may order some "bear sized" tshirts for myself

  317. Florian


  318. Dave Cridland

    bear, I can give you the EPS artwork.

  319. bear


  320. intosi

    I mis ye olde lightbulb of yore. Made a better logo for shirts and caps.

  321. Dave Cridland

    (For the "Black", and the "Hoodie")

  322. Kev

    intosi: It did, it did.

  323. stpeter

    intosi: for sure

  324. bear

    either the muc lag got really bad for everyone, or I sense an end to the meeting?

  325. stpeter


  326. Kev

    Seems to have pretty much calmed down.

  327. arcriley

    seems like it

  328. Dave Cridland

    The lag has got so bad for everyone that Kev';s caught up.

  329. bear

    should we plan to meet again next board meeting (which would be at it's normal time)

  330. arcriley


  331. bear

    i.e. next week, just after the tech council

  332. stpeter

    BTW, I have the Cisco rooms reserved, will work on catering plans next week

  333. bear


  334. bear

    ok, let's make that a plan then - adjourned till next board meeting

  335. stpeter

    http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Participants just got a lot bigger, we'll see who else is interested

  336. stpeter

    bear: WFM, let's chat later or tomorrow about the talks

  337. Kev

    Thanks all.

  338. stpeter

    I'll ping Waqas about posting to the summit@ list

  339. arcriley

    ok back to julython

  340. bear

    thanks Florian for doing all of this work to make the Summit awesome

  341. arcriley

    those pesky Django devs took our first place slot, we want it back :-)

  342. arcriley


  343. bear

    good luck arc

  344. bear goes back to writing chef scripts for redis and riak

  345. arcriley

    its a completely silly race, see who can make the most commits, but its a great motivator for the teams

  346. arcriley

    bear, you doing julython?

  347. stpeter

    arcriley: just make lots of smaller commits, one for each line of code even :)

  348. bear

    I was

  349. stpeter

    ok, thanks all, and especially to Florian!

  350. arcriley

    stpeter, you missed how we got the lead to begin with - Jan 1st, start of the program, I ran a sed script on every project i maintain updating the copyright years. 132 points right there (10 points per repo you contribute to, 1 per commit)

  351. Dave Cridland

    while true; do echo '.' >>julyathon; git add julyathon; git commit -m 'And another'; git push origin master; done

  352. stpeter

    arcriley: heehee

  353. arcriley

    i do that every year tho, so its not defeating the spirit of the game :-)

  354. arcriley

    since their first commit to a repo is worth 11 points im using it to get the opengl kids to play with our xmpp library stuff :-)

  355. Dave Cridland

    Oh, you get more points if it's different users?

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  357. arcriley

    yea each user who makes a commit to each repo is 10 points

  358. arcriley

    if you do python stuff you should join, its a lot of fun. there may be swag in it.

  359. Dave Cridland

    OK. My script needs some work, then.

  360. Dave Cridland

    arcriley, Ah, btu I currently don't do Python stuff.

  361. arcriley


  362. Dave Cridland

    arcriley, And, recall, I am EVIL and do closed source things anyway. :-)

  363. arcriley

    ah thats right. you're demon-tainted. :-)

  364. Dave Cridland

    Forked tail, horns. Yup.

  365. fippo

    but aren't you subversive and there do closed source things generated by python code? I'd be somewhat disappointed otherwise

  366. intosi

    No Dave, that's BSD right there. See where the confusion comes from, though.

  367. arcriley

    well my secret weapon is all the concordance related repos, all waiting on nodetree and mod_xmpp. almost there. i havent updated the copyright years on those repos yet since im not actively working on them

  368. arcriley

    thats another.... 99 points, at least

  369. Dave Cridland

    fippo, I'm officially subversive, actually. According to British Intelligence.

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