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bear: I'm making progress on the FOSDEM scheduling...
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ralphm
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stpeter: good job on the schedule
ralphm
21:48:07
no sessions after 17:00?
stpeter
21:49:01
ralphm: actually, I'm adding a break at 14:00 and I'm just about to add another talk on the schedule (for 17:30-17:45)
stpeter
21:49:28
it's not good to have no break :)
ralphm
21:49:32
stpeter: ah, they mentioned not actually putting an item for a break
stpeter
21:49:39
oh really?
ralphm
21:49:41
yes
stpeter
21:49:54
so how do we handle that?
stpeter
21:49:59
no break, or just don't list it?
ralphm
21:50:09
don't list it
stpeter
21:50:15
sure, that's easy enough :)
stpeter
21:50:31
ah good, I see that https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is up to date (sort of)
ralphm
21:50:37
from the list:
ralphm
21:50:39
I noticed that Jeremy put a "wine lunch break" in the schedule. I don't
think that's really necessary. I think the schedule is a lot cleaner if
there's an empty slot where lunchtime takes place, rather than a slot
that says 'lunch break'.
- Philip
stpeter
21:50:51
right
stpeter
21:51:06
I'm still way behind on email, although I did get under 1000 messages today ;-)
ralphm
21:51:07
I guess you are not actually on that list
stpeter
21:51:28
good, so I have two excuses ;-)
ralphm
21:51:29
next time I should use an organisational address
stpeter
21:51:40
sure we can set up fosdem@xmpp.org
stpeter
goes back into pentabarf to edit times later in the day
21:52:33
ralphm
21:52:45
are you putting in a lightning talks slot?
stpeter
21:53:00
I'm happy to do so
stpeter
21:53:15
would you like that in the middle of the afternoon, or at the end (or both)?
ralphm
21:53:37
let's see
stpeter
21:55:29
we could do 30 minutes of lightning talks after the break (at 14:30)
ralphm
21:55:34
yeah
stpeter
21:56:02
I always like the "stump the experts / general discussion" slot
stpeter
21:56:16
people find that helpful
ralphm
21:56:45
Do the colors have a meaning?
stpeter
21:56:50
I don't think so
ralphm
21:56:52
oh sure!
stpeter
21:57:31
ok, I'm going to put that after XMPP 101, then
stpeter
21:57:52
seems like a good time to get general questions out of the way
ralphm
nods
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stpeter
21:59:02
I'll put you in charge of that session ;-)
ralphm
21:59:14
that'd be good
ralphm
21:59:33
I'll bring that hat
stpeter
21:59:39
heehee
stpeter
21:59:42
me too
ralphm
22:00:11
I was thinking (way too late now) that having an XMPP fleece jacket would be nice, too.
stpeter
22:00:19
yeah
stpeter
22:00:21
next year ;-)
stpeter
22:03:33
http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/FOSDEM_2013#Give_a_Devroom_Talk
stpeter
22:03:34
updated
stpeter
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now updating in Penta
stpeter
wonders why everything in Penta defaults to FOSDEM11 :)
22:06:13
ralphm
22:07:42
heh
ralphm
22:07:56
probably a configuration thing that they haven't fully digested
ralphm
22:08:03
this stuff was created for ccc
stpeter
nods
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stpeter
22:18:03
ok
stpeter
22:18:09
all data updated
stpeter
22:18:21
now we wait for https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ to be updated
stpeter
22:18:37
I assume they have a cron job for that :)
ralphm
22:20:43
yay
stpeter
22:21:02
I think I didn't add some of the biographies
stpeter
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or didn't receive them
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ralphm
22:21:31
at least one new item now :-)
stpeter
22:25:57
do we need to provide email address for all speakers?
stpeter
22:26:23
I suppose it can't hurt, eh?
stpeter
22:30:35
done
stpeter
22:31:00
brb, need tea :)
stpeter
22:34:59
maybe I'll give a lightning talk about "the challenges of running a large public IM service and what we need to fix"
ralphm
22:46:01
:-)
ralphm
22:46:18
stpeter: do away with the users :-)
stpeter
volunteers some people for http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Short_Talks_and_General_Updates without asking them :P
22:46:39
stpeter
22:47:50
ok
stpeter
22:47:52
https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is done
stpeter
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stpeter
22:58:50
hi Jef
stpeter
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Jef: see the last talk at the FOSDEM schedule pasted above -- someone is very excited about your File Information Sharing proposal :)
Jef
23:01:28
stpeter, who is?
Lance
23:02:07
which xep is that? is it still in inbox?
stpeter
23:02:15
Diana Cionoiu -- she works http://yate.null.ro/pmwiki/
Jef
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It is still in inboc
stpeter
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Lance: yeah we need to get it out of that damn inbox
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Jef
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I 've been having problems with it. I need someone to tell me what's wrong
Lance
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what's the name for it?
stpeter
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Jef: my apologies, I haven't had time to really look at it carefully, but I'll need to do that before FOSDEM
stpeter
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http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html
Lance
23:04:26
nice. thanks
Lance
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Lance: thank Jef, he did all the work ;-)
Jef
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lol, it needs much more work
Jef
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I can't find the talk
Lance
23:05:14
https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/xmpp_file_sharing/
stpeter
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yep
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thanks
Jef
23:05:50
OMG! she is calling it awesome
stpeter
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oh hmph, they want me to update the speak bios from past years?
Jef
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I think I'm going to cry
stpeter
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heh
Jef
23:06:22
I'm so happy
stpeter
23:06:46
I am pretty sure she was talking about your proposal -- we had a brief IM chat about it a bit earlier but she had to run before I had a chance to verify :)
Jef
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when will the video be posted?
stpeter
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stpeter
23:09:25
Jef: we will try to stream it via Hangouts and YouTube (yeah, I know, sorry)
Jef
23:09:35
xD
Lance
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Lance
23:11:01
not bad. i would have imagined it working over disco though
Jef
23:11:37
that's how xep-135 does it
stpeter
23:11:42
right
stpeter
23:12:02
I need to look at them both :)
stpeter
23:12:15
135 was just an initial exploration
Jef
23:14:13
well, certainly Diana has given me a lot of motivation to conclude the work
stpeter
23:14:23
great!
Jef
23:14:57
I will be sending you something this week, and send me an email whenever you like at: jefry.reyes@gmail.com
stpeter
23:15:39
super
stpeter
23:15:56
I will try to review them both tonight
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Jef
23:17:21
;)
Lance
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Lance
23:25:21
135 style disco plus http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html in an identity extension to include the file metadata element
Lance
23:27:00
meh, the wrapping part borders too much on the ugly side
Jef
23:28:12
Lance, I thought 135 was ugly, but then I couldn't make fis much less ugly
Jef
23:29:01
I need feedback on fis
Jef
23:29:22
Lance, how do you think it could be better?
Lance
23:30:19
conceptually, you have it at about as good as can be
Lance
23:30:38
you're doing better traffic wise than disco by allowing metadata inline with listings
Lance
23:30:59
the xml can be tidied up, proper namespaces, etc
Lance
23:32:00
i do prefer the disco route because that's the standard way of discovering things and related items, and tools exist to browse it already
Lance
23:32:15
but meh, whatever. if it works it works
Lance
23:34:02
the only other thing i see is with the searching, since you would need to just go with a dataform immediately
Lance
wishes jabber:iq:search included a node parameter
23:35:24
Jef
23:36:03
Lance, it is, isn't it?
Jef
23:36:19
it is included
Jef
23:36:50
wait.. what do you mean as a node parameter?
Lance
23:37:02
no, i meant if it allowed you to do <query xmlns="jabber:iq:search" node="urn:xmpp:fis">
Jef
23:37:29
uhmm...
Jef
23:37:40
is that possible?
Lance
23:37:56
not with xep-0055 as is
Jef
23:38:14
xep-55 is a little restrictive
Lance
23:38:43
which i guessed was why you were making the search query a child of the fis match element
Jef
23:38:59
a bloody mess
Lance
23:40:23
is the inbox version your latest draft? or have you made edits since then?
Jef
23:40:46
no haven't, life has been kicking my butt lately
Jef
23:42:11
how do you think disco can be included?
Jef
23:42:22
not for the search I suppose?
Lance
23:43:49
use disco to walk the file tree and get file names, and use a fis request to get the metadata for a file/directory that you've found
stpeter
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Jef
23:44:21
good
Lance
23:44:22
the downside to that is it can't provide the file meta during the walk process
Lance
23:44:42
but, it can provide the minimum you're required, which is just the names
Lance
23:45:18
well, it can include the full meta data, but that requires an x-form with the xml wrapper element
Lance
23:45:28
but that's where it starts getting ugly
Jef
23:46:01
yea... thats what I was trying to avoid, uglyness
Lance
nod
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Jef
nods
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Jef
strokes his bear and nods
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Lance
23:47:08
i'll whip up some examples to see how things can be tidied up, as is without disco
Jef
23:47:46
that would be awesome
stpeter
perhaps senses a topic to discuss at the XMPP Summit in Brussels :)
23:49:09
Lance
23:49:24
it will be discussed at fosdem for sure
Jef
23:49:38
:)
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