XSF Discussion - 2013-01-22

bear: I'm making progress on the FOSDEM scheduling...

س

stpeter: good job on the schedule

no sessions after 17:00?

ralphm: actually, I'm adding a break at 14:00 and I'm just about to add another talk on the schedule (for 17:30-17:45)

it's not good to have no break :)

stpeter: ah, they mentioned not actually putting an item for a break

oh really?

yes

so how do we handle that?

no break, or just don't list it?

don't list it

sure, that's easy enough :)

ah good, I see that https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is up to date (sort of)

from the list:

I noticed that Jeremy put a "wine lunch break" in the schedule. I don't think that's really necessary. I think the schedule is a lot cleaner if there's an empty slot where lunchtime takes place, rather than a slot that says 'lunch break'. - Philip

right

I'm still way behind on email, although I did get under 1000 messages today ;-)

I guess you are not actually on that list

good, so I have two excuses ;-)

next time I should use an organisational address

sure we can set up fosdem@xmpp.org

are you putting in a lightning talks slot?

I'm happy to do so

would you like that in the middle of the afternoon, or at the end (or both)?

let's see

we could do 30 minutes of lightning talks after the break (at 14:30)

yeah

I always like the "stump the experts / general discussion" slot

people find that helpful

Do the colors have a meaning?

I don't think so

oh sure!

ok, I'm going to put that after XMPP 101, then

seems like a good time to get general questions out of the way

I'll put you in charge of that session ;-)

that'd be good

I'll bring that hat

heehee

me too

I was thinking (way too late now) that having an XMPP fleece jacket would be nice, too.

yeah

next year ;-)

http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/FOSDEM_2013#Give_a_Devroom_Talk

updated

now updating in Penta

heh

probably a configuration thing that they haven't fully digested

this stuff was created for ccc

ok

all data updated

now we wait for https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ to be updated

I assume they have a cron job for that :)

yay

I think I didn't add some of the biographies

or didn't receive them

at least one new item now :-)

do we need to provide email address for all speakers?

I suppose it can't hurt, eh?

done

brb, need tea :)

maybe I'll give a lightning talk about "the challenges of running a large public IM service and what we need to fix"

:-)

stpeter: do away with the users :-)

ok

https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is done

hi Jef

Jef: see the last talk at the FOSDEM schedule pasted above -- someone is very excited about your File Information Sharing proposal :)

stpeter, who is?

which xep is that? is it still in inbox?

Diana Cionoiu -- she works http://yate.null.ro/pmwiki/

It is still in inboc

Lance: yeah we need to get it out of that damn inbox

I 've been having problems with it. I need someone to tell me what's wrong

what's the name for it?

Jef: my apologies, I haven't had time to really look at it carefully, but I'll need to do that before FOSDEM

http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html

nice. thanks

Lance: thank Jef, he did all the work ;-)

lol, it needs much more work

I can't find the talk

https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/xmpp_file_sharing/

yep

thanks

OMG! she is calling it awesome

oh hmph, they want me to update the speak bios from past years?

I think I'm going to cry

heh

I'm so happy

I am pretty sure she was talking about your proposal -- we had a brief IM chat about it a bit earlier but she had to run before I had a chance to verify :)

when will the video be posted?

Jef: we will try to stream it via Hangouts and YouTube (yeah, I know, sorry)

xD

not bad. i would have imagined it working over disco though

that's how xep-135 does it

right

I need to look at them both :)

135 was just an initial exploration

well, certainly Diana has given me a lot of motivation to conclude the work

great!

I will be sending you something this week, and send me an email whenever you like at: jefry.reyes@gmail.com

super

I will try to review them both tonight

;)

135 style disco plus http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html in an identity extension to include the file metadata element

meh, the wrapping part borders too much on the ugly side

Lance, I thought 135 was ugly, but then I couldn't make fis much less ugly

I need feedback on fis

Lance, how do you think it could be better?

conceptually, you have it at about as good as can be

you're doing better traffic wise than disco by allowing metadata inline with listings

the xml can be tidied up, proper namespaces, etc

i do prefer the disco route because that's the standard way of discovering things and related items, and tools exist to browse it already

but meh, whatever. if it works it works

the only other thing i see is with the searching, since you would need to just go with a dataform immediately

Lance, it is, isn't it?

it is included

wait.. what do you mean as a node parameter?

no, i meant if it allowed you to do <query xmlns="jabber:iq:search" node="urn:xmpp:fis">

uhmm...

is that possible?

not with xep-0055 as is

xep-55 is a little restrictive

which i guessed was why you were making the search query a child of the fis match element

a bloody mess

is the inbox version your latest draft? or have you made edits since then?

no haven't, life has been kicking my butt lately

how do you think disco can be included?

not for the search I suppose?

use disco to walk the file tree and get file names, and use a fis request to get the metadata for a file/directory that you've found

good

the downside to that is it can't provide the file meta during the walk process

but, it can provide the minimum you're required, which is just the names

well, it can include the full meta data, but that requires an x-form with the xml wrapper element

but that's where it starts getting ugly

yea... thats what I was trying to avoid, uglyness

i'll whip up some examples to see how things can be tidied up, as is without disco

that would be awesome

it will be discussed at fosdem for sure

:)