XSF Discussion - 2013-01-22

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  44. stpeter

    bear: I'm making progress on the FOSDEM scheduling...

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  57. ralphm

    stpeter: good job on the schedule

  58. ralphm

    no sessions after 17:00?

  59. stpeter

    ralphm: actually, I'm adding a break at 14:00 and I'm just about to add another talk on the schedule (for 17:30-17:45)

  60. stpeter

    it's not good to have no break :)

  61. ralphm

    stpeter: ah, they mentioned not actually putting an item for a break

  62. stpeter

    oh really?

  63. ralphm


  64. stpeter

    so how do we handle that?

  65. stpeter

    no break, or just don't list it?

  66. ralphm

    don't list it

  67. stpeter

    sure, that's easy enough :)

  68. stpeter

    ah good, I see that https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is up to date (sort of)

  69. ralphm

    from the list:

  70. ralphm

    I noticed that Jeremy put a "wine lunch break" in the schedule. I don't think that's really necessary. I think the schedule is a lot cleaner if there's an empty slot where lunchtime takes place, rather than a slot that says 'lunch break'. - Philip

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  72. stpeter

    I'm still way behind on email, although I did get under 1000 messages today ;-)

  73. ralphm

    I guess you are not actually on that list

  74. stpeter

    good, so I have two excuses ;-)

  75. ralphm

    next time I should use an organisational address

  76. stpeter

    sure we can set up fosdem@xmpp.org

  77. stpeter goes back into pentabarf to edit times later in the day

  78. ralphm

    are you putting in a lightning talks slot?

  79. stpeter

    I'm happy to do so

  80. stpeter

    would you like that in the middle of the afternoon, or at the end (or both)?

  81. ralphm

    let's see

  82. stpeter

    we could do 30 minutes of lightning talks after the break (at 14:30)

  83. ralphm


  84. stpeter

    I always like the "stump the experts / general discussion" slot

  85. stpeter

    people find that helpful

  86. ralphm

    Do the colors have a meaning?

  87. stpeter

    I don't think so

  88. ralphm

    oh sure!

  89. stpeter

    ok, I'm going to put that after XMPP 101, then

  90. stpeter

    seems like a good time to get general questions out of the way

  91. ralphm nods

  92. stpeter

    I'll put you in charge of that session ;-)

  93. ralphm

    that'd be good

  94. ralphm

    I'll bring that hat

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  96. stpeter

    me too

  97. ralphm

    I was thinking (way too late now) that having an XMPP fleece jacket would be nice, too.

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  99. stpeter

    next year ;-)

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  102. stpeter

    now updating in Penta

  103. stpeter wonders why everything in Penta defaults to FOSDEM11 :)

  104. ralphm


  105. ralphm

    probably a configuration thing that they haven't fully digested

  106. ralphm

    this stuff was created for ccc

  107. stpeter nods

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  109. stpeter

    all data updated

  110. stpeter

    now we wait for https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ to be updated

  111. stpeter

    I assume they have a cron job for that :)

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  113. stpeter

    I think I didn't add some of the biographies

  114. stpeter

    or didn't receive them

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  116. ralphm

    at least one new item now :-)

  117. stpeter

    do we need to provide email address for all speakers?

  118. stpeter

    I suppose it can't hurt, eh?

  119. stpeter


  120. stpeter

    brb, need tea :)

  121. stpeter

    maybe I'll give a lightning talk about "the challenges of running a large public IM service and what we need to fix"

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  123. ralphm

    stpeter: do away with the users :-)

  124. stpeter volunteers some people for http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Short_Talks_and_General_Updates without asking them :P

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  126. stpeter

    https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is done

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  129. stpeter

    hi Jef

  130. stpeter

    Jef: see the last talk at the FOSDEM schedule pasted above -- someone is very excited about your File Information Sharing proposal :)

  131. Jef

    stpeter, who is?

  132. Lance

    which xep is that? is it still in inbox?

  133. stpeter

    Diana Cionoiu -- she works http://yate.null.ro/pmwiki/

  134. Jef

    It is still in inboc

  135. stpeter

    Lance: yeah we need to get it out of that damn inbox

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  137. Jef

    I 've been having problems with it. I need someone to tell me what's wrong

  138. Lance

    what's the name for it?

  139. stpeter

    Jef: my apologies, I haven't had time to really look at it carefully, but I'll need to do that before FOSDEM

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  141. Lance

    nice. thanks

  142. Lance starts reading

  143. stpeter

    Lance: thank Jef, he did all the work ;-)

  144. Jef

    lol, it needs much more work

  145. Jef

    I can't find the talk

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  149. Jef

    OMG! she is calling it awesome

  150. stpeter

    oh hmph, they want me to update the speak bios from past years?

  151. Jef

    I think I'm going to cry

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  153. Jef

    I'm so happy

  154. stpeter

    I am pretty sure she was talking about your proposal -- we had a brief IM chat about it a bit earlier but she had to run before I had a chance to verify :)

  155. Jef

    when will the video be posted?

  156. stpeter posts http://xmpp.org/2013/01/the-fosdem-schedule-is-set/

  157. stpeter

    Jef: we will try to stream it via Hangouts and YouTube (yeah, I know, sorry)

  158. Jef


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  160. Lance

    not bad. i would have imagined it working over disco though

  161. Jef

    that's how xep-135 does it

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  163. stpeter

    I need to look at them both :)

  164. stpeter

    135 was just an initial exploration

  165. Jef

    well, certainly Diana has given me a lot of motivation to conclude the work

  166. stpeter


  167. Jef

    I will be sending you something this week, and send me an email whenever you like at: jefry.reyes@gmail.com

  168. stpeter


  169. stpeter

    I will try to review them both tonight

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  172. Lance ponders

  173. Lance

    135 style disco plus http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html in an identity extension to include the file metadata element

  174. Lance

    meh, the wrapping part borders too much on the ugly side

  175. Jef

    Lance, I thought 135 was ugly, but then I couldn't make fis much less ugly

  176. Jef

    I need feedback on fis

  177. Jef

    Lance, how do you think it could be better?

  178. Lance

    conceptually, you have it at about as good as can be

  179. Lance

    you're doing better traffic wise than disco by allowing metadata inline with listings

  180. Lance

    the xml can be tidied up, proper namespaces, etc

  181. Lance

    i do prefer the disco route because that's the standard way of discovering things and related items, and tools exist to browse it already

  182. Lance

    but meh, whatever. if it works it works

  183. Lance

    the only other thing i see is with the searching, since you would need to just go with a dataform immediately

  184. Lance wishes jabber:iq:search included a node parameter

  185. Jef

    Lance, it is, isn't it?

  186. Jef

    it is included

  187. Jef

    wait.. what do you mean as a node parameter?

  188. Lance

    no, i meant if it allowed you to do <query xmlns="jabber:iq:search" node="urn:xmpp:fis">

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  190. Jef

    is that possible?

  191. Lance

    not with xep-0055 as is

  192. Jef

    xep-55 is a little restrictive

  193. Lance

    which i guessed was why you were making the search query a child of the fis match element

  194. Jef

    a bloody mess

  195. Lance

    is the inbox version your latest draft? or have you made edits since then?

  196. Jef

    no haven't, life has been kicking my butt lately

  197. Jef

    how do you think disco can be included?

  198. Jef

    not for the search I suppose?

  199. Lance

    use disco to walk the file tree and get file names, and use a fis request to get the metadata for a file/directory that you've found

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  201. Jef


  202. Lance

    the downside to that is it can't provide the file meta during the walk process

  203. Lance

    but, it can provide the minimum you're required, which is just the names

  204. Lance

    well, it can include the full meta data, but that requires an x-form with the xml wrapper element

  205. Lance

    but that's where it starts getting ugly

  206. Jef

    yea... thats what I was trying to avoid, uglyness

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  210. Lance

    i'll whip up some examples to see how things can be tidied up, as is without disco

  211. Jef

    that would be awesome

  212. stpeter perhaps senses a topic to discuss at the XMPP Summit in Brussels :)

  213. Lance

    it will be discussed at fosdem for sure

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