XSF Discussion - 2013-02-22

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  31. Lance bear: don't forget bosh updates. I'm catching up on mine
  32. Lance hjkkll
  33. bear I haven't (completely) - working on some last night and will again later
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  91. bear drive by comment: (heading out for a walk) -- I started the whole github thread knowing that I would be asking kev and peter for access to start working on its infrastructure
  92. Kev I don't understand what the underlying aim with GitHub is.
  93. bear my goal is to document github, web page and wiki config and setup so that 1) we have docs and 2) it's easier for a small infra team to manage
  94. Kev I'd be much happier with us doing anything about it if I knew what the perceived benefit was.
  95. bear the conversation quickly expanded beyond what I was asking
  96. bear I just thought about having it as a read-only mirror
  97. Kev We already have that on gitorious.
  98. bear but then I got to thinking about making it bi-directional when kurt brought up TOS
  99. Kev So I'm not sure what going to github buys is there.
  100. bear yea, but github has a much nicer interface and (this is my personal thought) I'm already using it every single day so why not enable it also
  101. Kev I'm not strictly opposed to mirroring to github.
  102. Kev The reward doesn't seem significant to me, but neither does the cost.
  103. bear so I figured small steps
  104. Kev Although the moment people start trying to send in pull requests via github things suddenly become much more 'interesting'.
  105. bear the core part of this is, basically: if it's a low cost item to add another way of viewing XFS data then why not
  106. Lance Kev and that's Kurt's point about terms of service, IPR considerations, etc
  107. Lance but +1 on basic mirroring
  108. Kev I'm not sure what that's Kurt's point, when I raised it first, but oh well!
  109. bear right, and it is that interesting part that has me thinking of how to solve it - but that is a future change
  110. bear :)
  111. Kev I don't see why that would add value to us, and it seems like lots of pain.
  112. Kev I'm happy to delay having that argument until we want to do it, but there will be an argument.
  113. Kev By which I obviously mean a healthy debate between great minds.
  114. bear lets get the mirroring up and then read the TOS and see how scary it is
  115. bear LOL
  116. Kev Well, the ToS hit us the moment we mirror.
  117. bear is it that onerous?
  118. Kev At the time, they were onerous enough that we weren't willing to host Swift there, IIRC.
  119. Kev How they've changed in the interim who knows...
  120. bear hmm, I will have to read it - and then go check on my own repos
  121. bear ok, that will be homework for next board meeting - right now i need to run and then later finish my bosh patches
  122. Kev Enjoy.
  123. bear waves
  124. Kev And thanks for trying to Do Stuff.
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  126. Ashley i don't really see how the github ToS is very controversial
  127. Ashley as i read it, it seems to be quite explicit about github *not* owning any copyright or IP
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  129. ralphm Yeah, I'd be interested in that too
  130. ralphm On github vs. gitorious, besides legal issues, I think people are just more familiar with github. The only reason I have a gitorious account is because I wanted to see how cloning the xmpp repo would work. I find their way horrible.
  131. Kev ISTR the problem I had with it long ago (for Swift) wasn't assigning copyright, but granting a license, including granting a license to code I don't own, and therefore can't grant them a license.
  132. Kev e.g. BSD code in Swiften.
  133. Kev This would likely not apply to the XSF.
  134. ralphm granting a license to github, so that they publish and copy repos?
  135. Kev Yes.
  136. Ashley ok, let me look at that language, if i can find it
  137. Kev This was years ago, and it may not exist anymore, and isn't pertinent to the XSF anyway.
  138. ralphm I agree that'd be kind of useful for the thing to work
  139. Kev Or probably wouldn't. IANAL to judge.
  140. ralphm Kev: but for you BSD example, how would that be a problem? Did they require *you* granting that license, or that they effectively have such license?
  141. Kev That I grant the license.
  142. Kev IIRC.
  143. ralphm that'd be weird
  144. Kev But this was a number of years ago, and I don't remember what I did this afternoon, let alone back then.
  145. Ashley i don't see anything like that in the github tos
  146. Ashley seems like they try to indemnify themselves to the hilt. I would think that a requirement to grant them license might even be contradictory to indemnification.
  147. Kev No idea. I admit that the XSF's IPR policy in general scares me, in my ignorant non-lawyerish state.
  148. Ashley lol
  149. Kev Not sure it's funny!
  150. ralphm https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tosdr/lOG7XeUi-3E
  151. Neustradamus waqas reminder: http://tracker.xmpp.org/ is always down :/
  152. ralphm and also:
  153. ralphm https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tosdr/github/tosdr/9epXl7ZDb7c/Hksr3zcE-xcJ
  154. Neustradamus in the same time, a good news Debian 7 RC1 is out ;)
  155. ralphm And there was much rejoicing. ⚐
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