Lancebear: don't forget bosh updates. I'm catching up on mine
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bearI haven't (completely) - working on some last night and will again later
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beardrive by comment: (heading out for a walk) -- I started the whole github thread knowing that I would be asking kev and peter for access to start working on its infrastructure
KevI don't understand what the underlying aim with GitHub is.
bearmy goal is to document github, web page and wiki config and setup so that 1) we have docs and 2) it's easier for a small infra team to manage
KevI'd be much happier with us doing anything about it if I knew what the perceived benefit was.
bearthe conversation quickly expanded beyond what I was asking
bearI just thought about having it as a read-only mirror
KevWe already have that on gitorious.
bearbut then I got to thinking about making it bi-directional when kurt brought up TOS
KevSo I'm not sure what going to github buys is there.
bearyea, but github has a much nicer interface and (this is my personal thought) I'm already using it every single day so why not enable it also
KevI'm not strictly opposed to mirroring to github.
KevThe reward doesn't seem significant to me, but neither does the cost.
bearso I figured small steps
KevAlthough the moment people start trying to send in pull requests via github things suddenly become much more 'interesting'.
bearthe core part of this is, basically: if it's a low cost item to add another way of viewing XFS data then why not
LanceKev and that's Kurt's point about terms of service, IPR considerations, etc
Lancebut +1 on basic mirroring
KevI'm not sure what that's Kurt's point, when I raised it first, but oh well!
bearright, and it is that interesting part that has me thinking of how to solve it - but that is a future change
bear:)
KevI don't see why that would add value to us, and it seems like lots of pain.
KevI'm happy to delay having that argument until we want to do it, but there will be an argument.
KevBy which I obviously mean a healthy debate between great minds.
bearlets get the mirroring up and then read the TOS and see how scary it is
bearLOL
KevWell, the ToS hit us the moment we mirror.
bearis it that onerous?
KevAt the time, they were onerous enough that we weren't willing to host Swift there, IIRC.
KevHow they've changed in the interim who knows...
bearhmm, I will have to read it - and then go check on my own repos
bearok, that will be homework for next board meeting - right now i need to run and then later finish my bosh patches
KevEnjoy.
bearwaves
KevAnd thanks for trying to Do Stuff.
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Ashleyi don't really see how the github ToS is very controversial
Ashleyas i read it, it seems to be quite explicit about github *not* owning any copyright or IP
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ralphmYeah, I'd be interested in that too
ralphmOn github vs. gitorious, besides legal issues, I think people are just more familiar with github. The only reason I have a gitorious account is because I wanted to see how cloning the xmpp repo would work. I find their way horrible.
KevISTR the problem I had with it long ago (for Swift) wasn't assigning copyright, but granting a license, including granting a license to code I don't own, and therefore can't grant them a license.
Keve.g. BSD code in Swiften.
KevThis would likely not apply to the XSF.
ralphmgranting a license to github, so that they publish and copy repos?
KevYes.
Ashleyok, let me look at that language, if i can find it
KevThis was years ago, and it may not exist anymore, and isn't pertinent to the XSF anyway.
ralphmI agree that'd be kind of useful for the thing to work
KevOr probably wouldn't. IANAL to judge.
ralphmKev: but for you BSD example, how would that be a problem? Did they require *you* granting that license, or that they effectively have such license?
KevThat I grant the license.
KevIIRC.
ralphmthat'd be weird
KevBut this was a number of years ago, and I don't remember what I did this afternoon, let alone back then.
Ashleyi don't see anything like that in the github tos
Ashleyseems like they try to indemnify themselves to the hilt. I would think that a requirement to grant them license might even be contradictory to indemnification.
KevNo idea. I admit that the XSF's IPR policy in general scares me, in my ignorant non-lawyerish state.
XSF Discussion - 2013-02-22