XSF Discussion - 2013-02-27

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  11. bear most of the really broken style stuff has been fixed; sidebar with sponsors is fixed; nav bar with dropdown is fixed;
  12. bear still need to fix some metadata in secondary pages and clean up things like sidebar, feed and some centering issues
  13. bear k, cleaned up the dup title glitch (articles that had both a Title: metadata item and also a # Title line in the body)
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  15. ralphm bear: keep up the good work
  16. jabberjocke bear: just say if you need any testing help
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  25. Ashley i'm so here and ready to collaborate!
  26. stpeter heh
  27. stpeter let's see if bear is around
  28. stpeter I did update the calendar, but it was last night
  29. stpeter poked him via IM
  30. stpeter brb
  31. stpeter back
  32. Ashley so….
  33. stpeter well
  34. Ashley i was so happy i actually made it :)
  35. bear i'm here
  36. Alex so am I ;-)
  37. bear am I late?
  38. stpeter happy to see that http://www.coversant.com/ is back online, although I think we've not seen Jason in a while
  39. Kev Coversant have been back for a while.
  40. stpeter Kev: the site had some wonky unavailable message a few days ago
  41. Kev Ah, OK.
  42. Kev I thought you meant Coversant in general :)
  43. stpeter "account suspended" or somesuch
  44. stpeter not sure I have Arc in my buddy list
  45. bear arc may not be able to make it - he also had a conflict with schedules
  46. stpeter ah ok
  47. stpeter I just invited Florian
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  49. Florian hi all
  50. bear we traded emails, I told him about the agenda and invited him to send email if he had an special requests
  51. stpeter hey :-)
  52. stpeter so it seems that the Board has a quorum
  53. bear \o/
  54. bear should be a fast meeting - shall we start?
  55. stpeter fire away, boss!
  56. Ashley sure!
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  58. bear I had only two items to talk about, does anyone have anything to add to the agenda?
  59. bear first item is post FOSDEM - as peter pointed out, we should make sure the checklist is updated
  60. Ashley do we need to talk about the github TOS?
  61. bear adds to the list
  62. Kev (GSoC)
  63. bear I'll send an email to the members list asking everyone to update that wiki page with anything they fell is needed for next year
  64. bear do we have any financial obligations (billing sponsors, paying someone from receipts)?
  65. bear no? ok
  66. bear if anyone has anything to add to the followup, please do pile onto the email I'll send in a bit
  67. stpeter I've updated http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_Checklist
  68. bear cool
  69. stpeter bear: I need to send invoices / receipts for dinner sponsors, will do that Friday afternoon
  70. bear ta
  71. stpeter adds it to his calendar
  72. bear ok, next item - Office(r) assignments
  73. bear I need to send an email from the board to the current Officers asking if they want to remain
  74. bear if not, then we need to find new warm bodies
  75. bear plus we need to find a Treasurer - right?
  76. Alex I volunteer again for secretary
  77. bear that is very much appreciated Alex
  78. stpeter bear: we've essentially not had a Treasurer since the old Jabber Inc. days, I've been serving pro-tem in that capacity but I think think it might be good to have someone else fill that role for the sake of transparency
  79. bear agreed, the hard part is finding someone who 1) has the skills and 2) is close enough to you to review the books properly
  80. bear I know I have no skills with non-profit accounting
  81. Alex and 3) be familiar with US laws
  82. bear is this something we open to the members list? my opinion is that it may be opening us up for some grief if we just send a blanket email
  83. stpeter it doesn't need to be a member
  84. stpeter another option is to use a bookkeeping service of some kind, of course
  85. stpeter but our volume is quite low
  86. bear maybe I should ask Julie from &yet if she wouldn't mind
  87. bear she does our books and a number of other non-profits
  88. stpeter ah, that's not a bad idea
  89. bear k, lets table treasurer until the board members who are absent can bring up some possibilities - i'll send an email to them saying that I will be approaching julie and for them to bring up some solutions
  90. stpeter Jack Moffitt volunteered to do it a while back but we never got him set up properly at the bank
  91. stpeter bear: sounds good
  92. bear he mentioned he might still be interested, i'll reach out
  93. stpeter and Jack is really too busy anyway
  94. stpeter ok
  95. stpeter he always seems to be busy, anyway :-)
  96. bear yea, serial entrepeneur and all that
  97. bear ok, moving on...
  98. bear github tos
  99. bear I don't think it's an issue anymore
  100. Ashley so, as i read it, the github tos doesn't seem to make any claims about IP ownership
  101. Ashley ah, well, in that case… :)
  102. bear having read it, it no longer has some of the onerous issues that it used to years ago
  103. bear was agreeing with Ashley
  104. Kev This is explicitly only for mirroring and not for accepting contributions, right?
  105. bear correct
  106. Ashley that's our use case, right?
  107. stpeter right, just mirroring
  108. bear everything goes thru the mailing list for submissions, so we wouldn't use it for PullRequests or Issues
  109. Zash BTW: http://tos-dr.info/#github
  110. Kev I'm still not clear what the great rush to mirror to github as well as gitorious that we've been using for years, but anyway. /me goes back to lurking.
  111. Alex I think this discussion is some kind of conflict between open source developers and commercial developers. Because they have a different viewpoint when it comes to copyright and ownership
  112. Zash For short summary
  113. stpeter Kev: social coding :-)
  114. stpeter Kev: visibility etc.
  115. bear kev - I think the issue just became visible and it shown bright enough to distract folks from their coding and stirred up the ant hill
  116. bear once we say "ok, it's mirrored" things will settle down
  117. bear until someone asked for mercurial mirroring or some such
  118. stpeter anyway I've set up https://github.com/organizations/xsf (Pedro Melo transferred the 'xsf' account to me and I changed it into an organization)
  119. stpeter I see no problem with multiple mirrors
  120. stpeter anyway, tempest in a teapot AFAICT
  121. bear yep, i've added a logo and after I finish with the static site I will work on the git mirror commit hooks
  122. bear ok, lets settle this by being decisive and if someone really is bothered we can invite them to the infra team
  123. stpeter bear: happy to work with you on the static site
  124. stpeter bear: wfm
  125. bear I'll be posting a not tonight or tomorrow about that - it's down to text clean up now
  126. stpeter bear: super
  127. bear anyone with any major grief/issues/questions about github mirroring?
  128. Kev Not me.
  129. Ashley no
  130. bear k, moving on
  131. bear last item - GSoC
  132. bear from the wiki page, it appears that we have 4 other folk to help with the admin side
  133. bear (other than me)
  134. stpeter (oh, as with Alex, I am willing to continue serving as executive director, but of course the board is welcome to search for other candidates :-)
  135. bear the wiki page being http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2013
  136. Alex thats not a lot
  137. bear dang - now I don't have anyone to send emails to asking for their continued support ! ;)
  138. Kev bear: My view is that there hasn't been sufficient interest from mentors of projects that we'd be able to have under us, and we should skip a year.
  139. Ashley brb
  140. stpeter I tend to concur with Kev
  141. bear I agree, knowing from past how much attrition happens to even the most ardent of supporters, I don't think we have sufficient coverage
  142. stpeter it's really about the projects, not the org admin type folks
  143. bear sounds like we have consensus
  144. stpeter but there are plenty of worthy projects out there and there's no use taking up space in GSoC if we can't have an effective summer
  145. bear nods
  146. bear ok, unless someone objects, I will summarize it to the members that we do not have the resources to give the students the proper mentorship they require and will be skipping this year
  147. stpeter bear: well said
  148. Ashley ok
  149. Kev Thanks.
  150. bear and if someone complains, I will invite them to be on the gsoc team next year
  151. stpeter :-)
  152. Alex +1
  153. Kev Oh, quite the opposite.
  154. Kev If someone complains but didn't offer to help in advance...
  155. stpeter heh
  156. bear true, I would need to put on my "kev" hat when dealing with them (or my "cridland" hat)
  157. bear k, approaching 30(ish) minutes, any other issues to deal with?
  158. stpeter I think we're done
  159. bear ... not hearing anything ...
  160. bear bangs the gavel
  161. Kev Thanks.
  162. stpeter thanks, all
  163. bear thanks everyone
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  165. Ashley cheers
  166. ralphm bear: good plan!
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  172. jabberjocke Hi was thinking of having a workshop around xep for sensorsystem
  173. jabberjocke do we have access to a webex account?
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  175. jabberjocke and do any of you have any history around the issues with using xmpp for sensor data
  176. bear jabberjocke - you should ask this in the jdev chat room - you will get more people listening
  177. jabberjocke yes thanks will do that
  178. jabberjocke but do xsf have any support for holding meetings such as webex
  179. bear most of the meetings we hold are chat only
  180. bear because of how distributed our members are and how many OSs that are not covered by webex
  181. bear now that doesn't say we don't use webex like during the last Summit
  182. jabberjocke Think it's good to have more direct discussion when having a workshop on the subject
  183. jabberjocke Will go for the mailinglists to collect intrest first and se how many that wuld like to participate
  184. ralphm We've traditionally always used text, as bear said, as that is usually more productive for multi-party discussions. That said, if you really need audio/video, I'd suggest using Google Hangouts
  185. ralphm maybe the Live variant, so that you can also have it recorded and published at Youtube
  186. jabberjocke good point thanks
  187. jabberjocke i've seen several different suggestions Sensor-Over-XMPP (aka SOX)
  188. jabberjocke was there any discussion during the summit of "internet of things" and real distributed sensor and control
  189. stpeter given that I work on the WebEx team I might be able to set something up ;-) but we could also use something free like http://conversat.io/
  190. ralphm n
  191. jabberjocke It's probably just me being unused to just text
  192. ralphm jabberjocke: you are so missing out
  193. jabberjocke youre probably right about productivity
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  196. jabberjocke ralphm: you mean that there was a discussion during the summit?
  197. ralphm I meant that you are missing out on productive text-based discussions
  198. jabberjocke true
  199. jabberjocke :)
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  201. bear meeting minutes: (done)
  202. bear officer summary: (done)
  203. bear i'll report on the github and static site status later tonight - first I need to make my $dayjob bosses happy ;)
  204. Kev Thanks. And thanks for looking after the migration.
  205. bear glad I can help
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