XSF Discussion - 2013-02-27

most of the really broken style stuff has been fixed; sidebar with sponsors is fixed; nav bar with dropdown is fixed;

still need to fix some metadata in secondary pages and clean up things like sidebar, feed and some centering issues

k, cleaned up the dup title glitch (articles that had both a Title: metadata item and also a # Title line in the body)

bear: keep up the good work

bear: just say if you need any testing help

i'm so here and ready to collaborate!

heh

let's see if bear is around

I did update the calendar, but it was last night

poked him via IM

brb

back

so….

well

i was so happy i actually made it :)

i'm here

so am I ;-)

am I late?

happy to see that http://www.coversant.com/ is back online, although I think we've not seen Jason in a while

Coversant have been back for a while.

Kev: the site had some wonky unavailable message a few days ago

Ah, OK.

I thought you meant Coversant in general :)

"account suspended" or somesuch

not sure I have Arc in my buddy list

arc may not be able to make it - he also had a conflict with schedules

ah ok

I just invited Florian

hi all

we traded emails, I told him about the agenda and invited him to send email if he had an special requests

hey :-)

so it seems that the Board has a quorum

\o/

should be a fast meeting - shall we start?

fire away, boss!

sure!

I had only two items to talk about, does anyone have anything to add to the agenda?

first item is post FOSDEM - as peter pointed out, we should make sure the checklist is updated

do we need to talk about the github TOS?

(GSoC)

I'll send an email to the members list asking everyone to update that wiki page with anything they fell is needed for next year

do we have any financial obligations (billing sponsors, paying someone from receipts)?

no? ok

if anyone has anything to add to the followup, please do pile onto the email I'll send in a bit

I've updated http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_Checklist

cool

bear: I need to send invoices / receipts for dinner sponsors, will do that Friday afternoon

ta

ok, next item - Office(r) assignments

I need to send an email from the board to the current Officers asking if they want to remain

if not, then we need to find new warm bodies

plus we need to find a Treasurer - right?

I volunteer again for secretary

that is very much appreciated Alex

bear: we've essentially not had a Treasurer since the old Jabber Inc. days, I've been serving pro-tem in that capacity but I think think it might be good to have someone else fill that role for the sake of transparency

agreed, the hard part is finding someone who 1) has the skills and 2) is close enough to you to review the books properly

I know I have no skills with non-profit accounting

and 3) be familiar with US laws

is this something we open to the members list? my opinion is that it may be opening us up for some grief if we just send a blanket email

it doesn't need to be a member

another option is to use a bookkeeping service of some kind, of course

but our volume is quite low

maybe I should ask Julie from &yet if she wouldn't mind

she does our books and a number of other non-profits

ah, that's not a bad idea

k, lets table treasurer until the board members who are absent can bring up some possibilities - i'll send an email to them saying that I will be approaching julie and for them to bring up some solutions

Jack Moffitt volunteered to do it a while back but we never got him set up properly at the bank

bear: sounds good

he mentioned he might still be interested, i'll reach out

and Jack is really too busy anyway

ok

he always seems to be busy, anyway :-)

yea, serial entrepeneur and all that

ok, moving on...

github tos

I don't think it's an issue anymore

so, as i read it, the github tos doesn't seem to make any claims about IP ownership

ah, well, in that case… :)

having read it, it no longer has some of the onerous issues that it used to years ago

This is explicitly only for mirroring and not for accepting contributions, right?

correct

that's our use case, right?

right, just mirroring

everything goes thru the mailing list for submissions, so we wouldn't use it for PullRequests or Issues

BTW: http://tos-dr.info/#github

I'm still not clear what the great rush to mirror to github as well as gitorious that we've been using for years, but anyway. /me goes back to lurking.

I think this discussion is some kind of conflict between open source developers and commercial developers. Because they have a different viewpoint when it comes to copyright and ownership

For short summary

Kev: social coding :-)

Kev: visibility etc.

kev - I think the issue just became visible and it shown bright enough to distract folks from their coding and stirred up the ant hill

once we say "ok, it's mirrored" things will settle down

until someone asked for mercurial mirroring or some such

anyway I've set up https://github.com/organizations/xsf (Pedro Melo transferred the 'xsf' account to me and I changed it into an organization)

I see no problem with multiple mirrors

anyway, tempest in a teapot AFAICT

yep, i've added a logo and after I finish with the static site I will work on the git mirror commit hooks

ok, lets settle this by being decisive and if someone really is bothered we can invite them to the infra team

bear: happy to work with you on the static site

bear: wfm

I'll be posting a not tonight or tomorrow about that - it's down to text clean up now

bear: super

anyone with any major grief/issues/questions about github mirroring?

Not me.

no

k, moving on

last item - GSoC

from the wiki page, it appears that we have 4 other folk to help with the admin side

(other than me)

(oh, as with Alex, I am willing to continue serving as executive director, but of course the board is welcome to search for other candidates :-)

the wiki page being http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2013

thats not a lot

dang - now I don't have anyone to send emails to asking for their continued support ! ;)

bear: My view is that there hasn't been sufficient interest from mentors of projects that we'd be able to have under us, and we should skip a year.

brb

I tend to concur with Kev

I agree, knowing from past how much attrition happens to even the most ardent of supporters, I don't think we have sufficient coverage

it's really about the projects, not the org admin type folks

sounds like we have consensus

but there are plenty of worthy projects out there and there's no use taking up space in GSoC if we can't have an effective summer

ok, unless someone objects, I will summarize it to the members that we do not have the resources to give the students the proper mentorship they require and will be skipping this year

bear: well said

ok

Thanks.

and if someone complains, I will invite them to be on the gsoc team next year

:-)

+1

Oh, quite the opposite.

If someone complains but didn't offer to help in advance...

heh

true, I would need to put on my "kev" hat when dealing with them (or my "cridland" hat)

k, approaching 30(ish) minutes, any other issues to deal with?

I think we're done

... not hearing anything ...

Thanks.

thanks, all

thanks everyone

cheers

bear: good plan!

Hi was thinking of having a workshop around xep for sensorsystem

do we have access to a webex account?

and do any of you have any history around the issues with using xmpp for sensor data

jabberjocke - you should ask this in the jdev chat room - you will get more people listening

yes thanks will do that

but do xsf have any support for holding meetings such as webex

most of the meetings we hold are chat only

because of how distributed our members are and how many OSs that are not covered by webex

now that doesn't say we don't use webex like during the last Summit

Think it's good to have more direct discussion when having a workshop on the subject

Will go for the mailinglists to collect intrest first and se how many that wuld like to participate

We've traditionally always used text, as bear said, as that is usually more productive for multi-party discussions. That said, if you really need audio/video, I'd suggest using Google Hangouts

maybe the Live variant, so that you can also have it recorded and published at Youtube

good point thanks

i've seen several different suggestions Sensor-Over-XMPP (aka SOX)

was there any discussion during the summit of "internet of things" and real distributed sensor and control

given that I work on the WebEx team I might be able to set something up ;-) but we could also use something free like http://conversat.io/

n

It's probably just me being unused to just text

jabberjocke: you are so missing out

youre probably right about productivity

ralphm: you mean that there was a discussion during the summit?

I meant that you are missing out on productive text-based discussions

true

:)

meeting minutes: (done)

officer summary: (done)

i'll report on the github and static site status later tonight - first I need to make my $dayjob bosses happy ;)

Thanks. And thanks for looking after the migration.

glad I can help