XSF Discussion - 2013-09-27

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  39. stpeter "Unfortunately, there just cannot be a good mobile client unless it supports push notifications, which requires server support, which XMPP doesn't have. The existing clients need to keep a connection open and take too much battery, sadly..." (from the URL that ralphm posted)
  40. ralphm yeah, indeed
  41. ralphm I wasn't sure what he meant
  42. ralphm a) it isn't possible
  43. ralphm b) nobody has done it yet
  44. stpeter I think (b)
  45. ralphm (or c), there is such a client, but I don't know about it)
  46. stpeter lots of talk there (it seems) about multi-device syncing -- clearly we need to get carbons and MAM done and implemented and deployed
  47. ralphm yup
  48. Kev You need more than those. You need something like markers, too.
  49. Kev Be it markers, or just something similar.
  50. stpeter nods
  51. Lance I can vouch that mam+carbons+chat states works very nicely together
  52. ralphm Lance: so where is that android app of yours?
  53. Kev You can't get by with just that though, surely?
  54. Kev You need some way of getting the unread message state between the clients.
  55. Lance ralphm: web client
  56. Kev If A is online, B comes online, B needs to know what messages haven't yet been dealt with.
  57. ralphm Lance: I guess you missed the start of the conversation?
  58. Lance Kev: yeah, that's the only part im missing
  59. Lance ralphm: probably
  60. Kev I do wonder how well the Qt-on-Android stuff works.
  61. ralphm Lance: scroll back up to the quote stpeter sent
  62. Kev If it works reasonably, getting Swift on Android wouldn't be too bad, and code reuse means you have a pretty good chance of making a decent client.
  63. stpeter I wonder if someone could actually make a bit of money with a pretty-looking IOS/Android app that does mam+carbons+markers+otr
  64. stpeter kickstarter campaign, anyone? ;)
  65. Lance stpeter: i would hope so
  66. Kev Can you kickstart and instead of raising funds, raise more hours in the day?
  67. stpeter heehee
  68. stpeter don't I wish!
  69. Kev If I can raise just another, say, four hours in the day, I'm sure I could get a decent iOS client done fairly quickly, and start thiking about Android.
  70. Kev Then people can pay me their millions. I don't need it up front.
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  72. Lance did any servers ever implement sift?
  73. ralphm I think prosody did something there
  74. stpeter that reminds me, I need to update SIFT, too
  75. ralphm http://code.google.com/p/prosody-modules/wiki/mod_sift
  76. stpeter I need to quit my job so I have more time to work ;-)
  77. ralphm Lance: and m-link has google:queue support, I believe, working with telepathy
  78. ralphm (so in theory that should work on my n9)
  79. Lance cool. i'd like to see those pushed forward, since they directly answer the complaints about noisy traffic on mobile
  80. stpeter nod
  81. stpeter adds it to his weekend list
  82. ralphm stpeter: not sure how that works for your cash flow, though
  83. Lance adds reviewing sift plugin to the list of things to do before realtimeconf
  84. ralphm maybe we need a kickstarter for a full-time employed executive officer / editor
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  86. stpeter heh
  87. stpeter well, I'd like to work on more code, I must admit -- gotta finish a bunch of the stuff at http://www.arkko.com/tools/allstats/petersaint-andre.html but after that (next few months) I'll be doing more Python for sure, maybe I can hack on Gajim and Sleek and Wokkel ;-)
  88. ralphm :-D
  89. stpeter ralphm: are there folks running Wokkel in production or building on top of it for interesting services?
  90. stpeter works on updates to the POSH spec
  91. ralphm I think a few, but they are not making much noise about it
  92. Kev You should really pick a real language :D
  93. stpeter y'know, I feel that Google's move to proprietary tech feels kind of energizing to me
  94. ralphm like Idavoll being NotificationServer in OS X Server (for calendar)
  95. stpeter that was a poorly written sentence :P
  96. Kev ralphm: That's pretty cool, though.
  97. ralphm Kev: not sure how long it will last, there though
  98. stpeter nods
  99. Lance Kev: swift hasn't done jingle a/v yet, right? just file transfer and whiteboarding?
  100. ralphm Kev: but I intend to pick some stuff up again
  101. Kev Lance: Right. I desperately want to get to that.
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  104. stpeter loads up the carbons, mam, markers, and sift specs for reviewing
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