XSF Discussion - 2013-09-27

"Unfortunately, there just cannot be a good mobile client unless it supports push notifications, which requires server support, which XMPP doesn't have. The existing clients need to keep a connection open and take too much battery, sadly..." (from the URL that ralphm posted)

yeah, indeed

I wasn't sure what he meant

a) it isn't possible

b) nobody has done it yet

I think (b)

(or c), there is such a client, but I don't know about it)

lots of talk there (it seems) about multi-device syncing -- clearly we need to get carbons and MAM done and implemented and deployed

yup

You need more than those. You need something like markers, too.

Be it markers, or just something similar.

I can vouch that mam+carbons+chat states works very nicely together

Lance: so where is that android app of yours?

You can't get by with just that though, surely?

You need some way of getting the unread message state between the clients.

ralphm: web client

If A is online, B comes online, B needs to know what messages haven't yet been dealt with.

Lance: I guess you missed the start of the conversation?

Kev: yeah, that's the only part im missing

ralphm: probably

I do wonder how well the Qt-on-Android stuff works.

Lance: scroll back up to the quote stpeter sent

If it works reasonably, getting Swift on Android wouldn't be too bad, and code reuse means you have a pretty good chance of making a decent client.

I wonder if someone could actually make a bit of money with a pretty-looking IOS/Android app that does mam+carbons+markers+otr

kickstarter campaign, anyone? ;)

stpeter: i would hope so

Can you kickstart and instead of raising funds, raise more hours in the day?

heehee

don't I wish!

If I can raise just another, say, four hours in the day, I'm sure I could get a decent iOS client done fairly quickly, and start thiking about Android.

Then people can pay me their millions. I don't need it up front.

did any servers ever implement sift?

I think prosody did something there

that reminds me, I need to update SIFT, too

http://code.google.com/p/prosody-modules/wiki/mod_sift

I need to quit my job so I have more time to work ;-)

Lance: and m-link has google:queue support, I believe, working with telepathy

(so in theory that should work on my n9)

cool. i'd like to see those pushed forward, since they directly answer the complaints about noisy traffic on mobile

nod

stpeter: not sure how that works for your cash flow, though

maybe we need a kickstarter for a full-time employed executive officer / editor

heh

well, I'd like to work on more code, I must admit -- gotta finish a bunch of the stuff at http://www.arkko.com/tools/allstats/petersaint-andre.html but after that (next few months) I'll be doing more Python for sure, maybe I can hack on Gajim and Sleek and Wokkel ;-)

:-D

ralphm: are there folks running Wokkel in production or building on top of it for interesting services?

I think a few, but they are not making much noise about it

You should really pick a real language :D

y'know, I feel that Google's move to proprietary tech feels kind of energizing to me

like Idavoll being NotificationServer in OS X Server (for calendar)

that was a poorly written sentence :P

ralphm: That's pretty cool, though.

Kev: not sure how long it will last, there though

Kev: swift hasn't done jingle a/v yet, right? just file transfer and whiteboarding?

Kev: but I intend to pick some stuff up again

Lance: Right. I desperately want to get to that.